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First off, let me just start by saying I do not have any experience running a stream - on any level - so I am not 100% sure if this is actually viable. But here it goes...
We have large-scale leagues such as DreamHack, MLG and NASL. They produce hours upon hours of content each event weekend, as well as between events with online qualifiers and various shows.
Would it not be a good idea to have a 24/7 DreamHack or 24/7 MLG Stream going?
The Setup A single league, in this example I will use DreamHack, would setup a live stream that would run 24/7.
The stream would act much like a cable TV Channel. The channel would be online 24/7 and there would be an active schedule detailing what would air in each given timeslot.
The Content NOTE: Content would not be restricted to SC2. You would also have LoL, Dota2, CS:GO • LIVE events • Online Qualifiers • Re-Streamed competitions • Original eSports programming • Documentaries • Historical Tournament Content (footage/interviews/highlights) • Frag videos or highlight reels • Tutorials • Game nights • And the list goes on...
The channel would re-stream events, shows, interviews and other content they produce. They could air eSports documentaries (provided they make arrangements and have the rights, etc.) as well as develop additional eSports shows.
NOTE: Original airtime of shows would be LIVE broadcasted on the channel - however, other content would obviously be pre-recorded or re-runs of previous episodes/tournaments/content.
NOTE TWO: The Stream Channel would be run by an entity such as MLG or DreamHack - it is NOT a brand new channel that simply streams a curated list of content.
Opportunities 1. Work with teams to air their video content or their shows. 2. Work with amateurs to build new shows and develop them into professionals/personalities. 3. Work with advertisers to sell commercial spots or branding for shows. 4. Work with smaller, lesser known events in other regions to broadcast their tournaments.
Poll: Would you tune in regularly to a 24/7 eSports Stream Channel?Yes (617) 74% No (112) 13% I would only tune in for the events I do now (109) 13% 838 total votes Your vote: Would you tune in regularly to a 24/7 eSports Stream Channel? (Vote): Yes (Vote): No (Vote): I would only tune in for the events I do now
And for those of you who answered yes...
Poll: Would you pay a subscription fee to tune into the channel?No, only free (510) 70% Yes, but only $5 (122) 17% Yes, up to $10 (59) 8% Yes, up to $20 (27) 4% Yes, but Id prefer a show by show basis akin to a micro-transaction setup (11) 2% 729 total votes Your vote: Would you pay a subscription fee to tune into the channel? (Vote): No, only free (Vote): Yes, but only $5 (Vote): Yes, up to $10 (Vote): Yes, up to $20 (Vote): Yes, but Id prefer a show by show basis akin to a micro-transaction setup
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I can't pay, but it would be interesting. The problem is that organizing the content and having a consistent flow of sc2 content is going to be much harder than it sounds
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great idea, but I think the work involved to keep meaningful content that people would want to watch would be way too high to justify it at this point.
Starcraft already has an unofficial 24/7 outlet and it's user streams, even a dedicated group of individuals who would take on competing against this would be hard pressed to snag enough viewers to make it worthwhile at least in the early going.
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This would be actually super interesting however, with all that has happened with a seasoned company in MLG i don't really know how well you could pull it off. As for paying I would probably prefer watching for free with just 480p instead of 720. 720 just seems too good for free.
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Mate GSL already sucks at least 3 hrs of my work time every day (yes I watch streams in my office), 24/7 will get my fired....
I vote YYYYYESSSS :D
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I suppose it would be cool, but that requires a ton of content and money, and likely wouldn't be free.
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Question is: Is there enough content to make such a thing reliable in time?
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I think don't think LoL needs any more exposure and can take care of themselves, everything else would be fine.
Quake, DotA, StarCraft, CS? Sure.
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Anything free makes no sense. So unless you partner up with MLG/NASL/GSL/DH and have their content run 24/7, I don't see this working judging by finances.
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On April 29 2013 08:06 synd wrote: Anything free makes no sense. So unless you partner up with MLG/NASL/GSL/DH and have their content run 24/7, I don't see this working judging by finances.
Ya, but I can't see myself paying much for a 24/7 show; I rather just contribute to a caster/player that I like watching
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I assume this is different from the 24/7 stream rerun mlg already does? And ipl did.
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There is just too much good free content right now for me to be interested in paying.
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TakeTV already offers content nearly 24/ 7(i think, its always on whenever i look). The average of live shows per week is maybe 3/7 overall. Some weeks even up to 6/7. They fill the rest with reruns. At the moment dreamhack reruns and they still have 400 views at an abysmal time for german viewers. (1am monday) Sometimes they give non featured players the chance to present themselves to a bigger audience and get ad revenue.
So the concept does work and it seems to be profitable. Ad revenue vs elecriticity? I think they calculated it.
But i would guess Step 1: have successful content yourself. Step 2: have a lot of successful content yourself that people would rewatch on a weekly basis. Step 3: think about expanding and maybe get involved with other people that stream content on your channel.
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Since we're talking about a 24/7 channel, its tv right? So if it were included in some sort of cable package that would be just great. A lot of shows fit and a lot don't. For example, most of the talk shows we watch already take commercial breaks etc. Switch the feed over for live tourneys just like a hockey game would.
But I don't think we're "there" yet, and by the time we are "there" the TV channel vs Internet stream situation may have changed a lot. I think even the Nielson rating system is being changed to actually value internet streamers more. On top of that, typically the bigger organizations have streams doing reruns all the time (ipl, mlg, esl).
It would be nice to have an aggregate channel for multiple organizations and even multiple games, but at this point I don't know how you'd get them all to agree to work together.
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I don't think there would be enough content. We can't fill a 24 hour slot now with the big names, and we're in the middle of consolidation on SC2 which is cutting back even more on content.
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Would you tune in? Yes - 57; Would you pay? No - 62
Haha awesome.
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Seems like too much work and not enough content for what it is. I like the way it is now, many different streams cater to local and global level of play, at different times, with different casters etc. 24/7 would end up being 75% filler I think.
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Yeah I'd totally watch this.
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A "TV-like" channel would be a step down to what we have now. Currently, we tune in to whatever we want, whenever we want. VODs are all up on Twitch or Youtube, tournament schedules can be checked in Liquipedia and watched on Twitch and documentaries, frag videos, etc can be found on Youtube.
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Quake has something like this, a bot just runs around observing 1v1 duels and perpetually broadcasts. Not sure how youd set this up efficiently in sc2 though
for reference: http://www.twitch.tv/qlrankstv
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Yeah it already exists called snipealot2.
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On April 29 2013 08:39 Hoon wrote: A "TV-like" channel would be a step down to what we have now. Currently, we tune in to whatever we want, whenever we want. VODs are all up on Twitch or Youtube, tournament schedules can be checked in Liquipedia and watched on Twitch and documentaries, frag videos, etc can be found on Youtube.
You have a very good point. My only argument would be that I feel this sort of channel would breed new original programming, as well as offer a great medium of curating much older eSports content (as in, pre-Starcraft 2).
VOD's would still be available even if the Channel was constantly airing programs. But this way, it could help newcomers rise up, and give them a stable place to work on their content.
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If 24/7 stuff are not all live, then it's not worth anything.
If they are all live, I would say ok. But still, you don't have specialty or focus, nobody will remember you for anything.
Snipealot has a 24/7 BW stream, that one is brilliant with former progamers' constant live stream. It has that special feature, and all things are live. You can do the same thing for SC2 progamers, but those streams are already easily available for English audiences, no point to tune in your channel.
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If it included fighting games like street fighter then I would definitely tune in often. These days I find myself watching SSF4 pro play more than anything else.
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yesyeysyeysyeyyesyseyes
part of why i loved IPL <3
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If this channel took the time to consolidate some of the most important eSports material out there and shot it out on a regularly programmed schedule (3-4x a day) along with some recent tournament coverage or "highlights of the week" matches, I'd be willing to pay. Currently, I don't have time to go out there and check this channel, that channel, go through reddit, go through TL to find what I want. SportsCenter style, if I may.
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clearly if the poll trends as it's doing the idea wouldn't work. To justify that much content production all the time people would have to be willing to pay for it.
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So basically do what IPL did and constantly restream old casts? If you integrate more than just recasts it could be good. Even the constant ipl restreams got at least a few hundred viewers usually.
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I would only be interested if it was 100% SC2, other esports don't interest me much, I would just be annoyed to tune in and see something besides SC2
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You know what I would love to see? A audio channel for people that are at work on their phones ect. I have a windows phone and can't watch the major tournaments when I'm there, but if I could stream only the audio like listening to a baseball game or something on my phone that would be really cool.
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Seeing as tournaments still haven't figured out a good way of filling downtime between matches I seriously doubt there would be enough content to fill a 24/7 stream without a ton of repeats and really low quality content.
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The roadblock to this is that there's already a giant mountain of 24/7 content out there lol.
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I think it'd be cool to have something like this,
if it had like a schedule for vods or big games from a tournament, like highlight games
and having content, and streams are basically free to run
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This would really have to be thought out though. I believe that they can do 1 SC2 channel, without having to include other eSports. They would just need to have a partnership between most of the major companies to do so. When MLG is playing then the main event of the day is MLG. When it's IEM it's IEM. GSL is GSL etc. Then have all of the major content from NASL MLG IEM etc broadcasted at their set times.
Think of a real TV channel. This means things would have to be strict. You only have your hour or two hours etc to broadcast your content, so things have to be done well. During odd hours, you can have things like talk shows (SotG, Lo3, etc). It would be pretty easy to have non stop content. Fill in hours that nobody is watching except people waking up too early, or getting off work late, with rebroadcasts of major events/most watched VODs etc.
People would need to pay. Anyone who says they can't is pretty much lying. Everyone would need to pay their subscription fee like they would a regular channel.
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I doubt I'd like it, personally. I don't have much free time right now first of all, so I wouldn't be able to tune in when things I want to watch would be on. Even if I did have time, I think there's way too much variety in games that could be broadcast for me to be a regular viewer. I can watch GSL or SPL VODs whenever I want, so there's no point having to wait around for something good to show up on that stream rather than watching higher quality games at my own convenience.
Also I think if people are already paying for GSL or SPL, they wouldn't be willing to put out more cash for a general E-sports stream. And as far as I've seen, most people follow 2 games regularily at most and there's obviously enough LoL and DotA content out there in the form of streams and VODs as well.
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It's odd that this question comes about when a few months back the community was screaming too much content.
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I dont see the difference between what you suggested and this website Teamliquid.net
having one 24/7 channel showing different content even different games i think is a bad idea... Just go on TL - its like my TV - you just choose anything that is being streamed live, games or tournaments
i vote thumbs down for this idea
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i voted yes for watching, no for payment, simply because of my schedule
i don't know when i'd be able to necessarily watch with my work/personal life going on, but i'd certainly love to watch if it was going on. i'd just be hesitant on spending money if i am not sure for a fact that i'd be able to watch often
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I'd happily tune in throughout the day. From a business standpoint I can't see this paying off very well, at least from the SC2 front. You could look at the numbers for MLG's daily broadcast block to get an idea of how receptive SC2 players would be, or if it would be sustainable.
I think it would be great if a single channel shared content with multiple games. SC2 is the only professional scene I follow, but I certainly play other titles frequently. This might be something that could get viewers interested in more games.
As for subscriptions, unless the content was good enough that I would watch it over all else, there's no way I'd pay for it. Even something as cheap as $5. You should look into a Twitch partnership, they've been looking for ways to persuade people to buy Turbo. Some kind of channel perks through that might be beneficial for both parties. I watch too much content from too many sources to justify subscribing to individual channels, student budget :/
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On April 29 2013 14:28 RyanRushia wrote: i voted yes for watching, no for payment, simply because of my schedule
i don't know when i'd be able to necessarily watch with my work/personal life going on, but i'd certainly love to watch if it was going on. i'd just be hesitant on spending money if i am not sure for a fact that i'd be able to watch often It's a 24/7 channel. You would be able to watch it often even with a terribly busy work/personal life going on. Because it's long term subscriptions just like a regular TV channel.
Come in at 3am, watch for 30 minutes while you unwind. Big event coming up? Invite some friends over to watch the game. Free time between work/school? Check out what's going on. Summer break? You have non stop eSports action to check out right here.
There's never any question of whether the money would be worth it. It will always be worth it. The question here would be how frequent would you use it, but regardless of the frequency, it'll be worth the money. Unless ofc you're not really an eSports fan. Then there's no reason for you to check out an eSports TV channel anyways.
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Nice in theory, but to make it worthwhile so much more content would have to be produced (like you said, documentaries), otherwise it would just be an endless rerun of matches etc, in which case a VOD syste mis way more effective.
Edit: Lol this was my 2000th post. Didn't realise. I would like to thank my family and friends and ofcourse TL for making this all possible. I also wish for world peace.
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As long as everything is so available via VOD, I think as nice as this idea is, TV style scheduling just doesn't compare.
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It's very close of Millenium TV (french).
It's 24/7, 50% with SC2 (Competitions, pro gamer training, SC2 fun games,2V2, vs viewers sometimes), 50% other games (MMO's, FPS,...esport or single player). From 2AM to 9:30 AM it's VOD. It's bassically live show 14:30 per a day. Every day.
There are 2 others channel (One for LoL, another for FPS like CoD) and an english channel may open in september.
It's free with ads. It's the TV channel I watch the most.
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On April 29 2013 14:58 B.I.G. wrote: Nice in theory, but to make it worthwhile so much more content would have to be produced (like you said, documentaries), otherwise it would just be an endless rerun of matches etc, in which case a VOD syste mis way more effective.
Edit: Lol this was my 2000th post. Didn't realise. I would like to thank my family and friends and ofcourse TL for making this all possible. I also wish for world peace. Not more content, but a collaboration of content.
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And here is the dilemma of eSports. The target audience is generally so young, they can't pay for anything. Don't mean this in a condescending manner, but high school students rarely have a job that can pay for everything they want. College students are generally poor. Kids right out of college don't get paid enough to afford rent, utilities, food, fun time, games, etc. There has to be a high enough opportunity cost for the kid to support eSports.
Just look at the overwhelming "Nah, it's gotta be free" in the votes.
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I'd definately pay five dollars for such a stream channel. The only problem is the amount of content that you need. Is there even enough to keep a channel going 24/7?
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On April 29 2013 07:59 mordk wrote: Question is: Is there enough content to make such a thing reliable in time? This is my biggest question...
For anyone that's watched ESPN between 2-4am even they have some stuff on loop.
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This would be so expensive to run lol.
Also no way you can just restream other past events.
If this idea was as simple as this TL post makes it seem, many would be doing it. Lots of $ involved.
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I don't think this is a viable concept because of the sheer number of streams available. You can open TL at nearly any time and find either a pro streaming, or some tournament running. The amount if would cost up front would be very hard to get back even though subs and then you'd have to pay for all the content ontop of that.
Be a better use of your time to have a site that just pulls in a bunch of streams that are currently live from various people...
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Im still amazed how many people dismiss the concept as not viable when we have proof of different organizations making it work right now. Also some people dont seem to be familiar with the concept of free-tv or ad sponsored television.
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Nope. Starts off all noble and the the one with the biggest viewers(LoL) devours the rest.
Don't see the point in it either.
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On April 29 2013 16:03 mrjpark wrote: And here is the dilemma of eSports. The target audience is generally so young, they can't pay for anything. Don't mean this in a condescending manner, but high school students rarely have a job that can pay for everything they want. College students are generally poor. Kids right out of college don't get paid enough to afford rent, utilities, food, fun time, games, etc. There has to be a high enough opportunity cost for the kid to support eSports.
Just look at the overwhelming "Nah, it's gotta be free" in the votes.
I thought I read a while back that the average age of a gamer is 28 or something. The reason why eSports mostly has younger viewers is because its relatively new to most. If more exposure got out there it may be able to pull an older and wealthier crowd. Hard to say though. If you could get consoles to participate, for example, get CoD to advertise for some related coverage, it might branch out better and get more people interested.
I think this idea has some merit, but some moves need to be made first.
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Hmm. Depends on what kind of content. There is enough content across all the majors that a 24/7 stream could happen, but it may be expensive to get broadcast (or re-broadcast) rights to different content, and trying to put together all original content would probably be an exercise in frustration unless you have your own organization set up to create and produce it, at which point you're basically going to be replicating all the leagues.
Not sure how fragmentation of the overall eSports community would affect it.
Something to keep in mind, though, IPL running 24/7 even with mostly rerunning the same content (Hyun's run through FightClub) was usually around 1-3k viewers every single time I looked. A lot depends on the content on the channel and when it comes to that, I don't think a start up right now is going to be able to compete well without bringing in outside content... and I'm not sure how willing MLG/NASL/DH/etc would be to allow straight rebroadcasts of their content.
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the question should not be whether people would tune in regularly.. If it's well-made and well-managed, people would do that, if it's badly made, then no.
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You could use this to show off less know content as well. Smaller tournaments, mods like Starbow, SC2BW and OneGoal etc...
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Give this to NASL :D
It'd probably be like most cable channels that have a niche audience. Replaying the same shows over and over for a few days, to ensure people have time to tune in at all times of the day. And there isn't enough content to fill it up with 100% unique things. Though none of this is a bad thing. Come to think of hasn't e-sports grown enough to warrant cable channels dedicated to it outside of Korea? Though honestly a 24/7 broadcast on Twitch would be fine.
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1 stream dedicated to sc2 for 6 hours or 4 different ones going 24?
don't think it'd work
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On April 29 2013 19:20 aka_star wrote: 1 stream dedicated to sc2 for 6 hours or 4 different ones going 24?
don't think it'd work
Lol its so easy, heres the solution:
I will set up my stream, and you can just watch me flick around on TL, reddit and youtube 24/7
same thing...
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make it a stream purely starcraft 2 and maybe some brood war to show some legacies? and sometimes let a progamer who doesn't stream play on it? and ask money for hd but free in low quality like gsl
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The success of Millennium TV might be the counter to what I'm saying, but why would you try to mimic the TV model when the internet is eroding that traditional way of presenting content in a linear, predetermined fashion?
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I have nothing against other games, or people that enjoy them. But my main interest is Starcraft 2, and I don't even have enough time for playing and watching both code S and A.
Would I maybe pay for premium SC2 coverage, yes have done so in the past. Just don't make it monthly subscriptions. As a principle I don't sign up if its reoccurring billing to my VISA. Make it season based, and if thats an issue with twitch, then make them add support for it.
I would not pay to have a channel that covers any MOBA game, firstly because I don't even have time to keep up with all the great SC2 content. On top of the time issue, IMHO MOBA games are fun to play but extremely boring to watch. Feels like a waste of time to watch. FPS 1v1 is much better though, but there is still the time issue.
TL;DR: I would maybe pay for a top quality 2 hour weekly show about SC2. Max. $50/year non-reoccurring billing, or split in 4 seasons.
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Edit - This post is mainly about a "24/7" stream. If we're talking about the idea of like something like or similar to NASL the Pulse (or anything NASL related, NASL does a good job), then I'd be okay with it. The tl;dr version is a 24 hour, 7 day a week stream seems unneeded since we basically have tons of stuff already to watch.
Restreaming probably wouldn't draw in a lot of people (unless it's for a tournament without VODs or with pay for VODs). Watching old stuff is also not exciting unless something interesting happened.
I already feel like there is enough content to watch things nearly 24/7.
There's usually something going on with SC2 every day (Proleague, WCS, GSTL, etc) already.
In terms of "eSports" in general, I also feel that other games have it covered too (Dota 2 has tons of stuff going on every day, free VODs and videos too for a lot of them; Tobi for example usually uploads something at least almost every other day nowadays).
I don't think 24/7 would work, especially if it's old content like restreams of tournaments that happened in the past.
The main reason is for most people, why watch old stuff (except maybe watching a recent major tournament you missed) when there are plenty of new and more recent stuff to watch going on right now.
On April 29 2013 08:39 Hoon wrote: A "TV-like" channel would be a step down to what we have now. Currently, we tune in to whatever we want, whenever we want. VODs are all up on Twitch or Youtube, tournament schedules can be checked in Liquipedia and watched on Twitch and documentaries, frag videos, etc can be found on Youtube.
I agree. If it's TV-like channel, even if it's on TV too, there's not much incentive for people to watch it since it's much more convenient to watch things online (easier to just pick what you want to watch and when).
24/7 stream just doesn't seem to work. In terms of original content, again, we have tons of original "eSports" related content coming out frequently as of now too (interviews, etc). Plus, shows like SotG has happening regularly (and with Artosis adding "Meta" on to it, another extra show). Inside the Game still is going on too. Add NASL Pulse too, we have the potential for 4 weekly SC2 related shows that cover past events and news related to the SC2 world.
Finally a 24/7 stream might contribute to the saturation problem, and it might also cut numbers from player streams too.
I'm a bit surprised at the poll results actually since we did have the whole tournament/stream saturation discussion only recently.
Overall, there is already enough content for most people to watch something new every day (SC2 alone has enough IMO).
A 24/7 stream may work if there wasn't anything else going on but since there's always something (player streams, tournaments, etc), and lots of free VODs too (for example, Proleague Korean VODs are free on eSportsTV youtube, I don't think a 24/7 stream is worth the investment.
IMHO MOBA games are fun to play but extremely boring to watch. Feels like a waste of time to watch. FPS 1v1 is much better though, but there is still the time issue.
Not related to the topic (just replying to this poster). For me, this is actually the reverse, heh. (Spoilered as to not to distract posters from the topic, unless you want to read.) + Show Spoiler + I find watching it fun (though thanks to Clairvoyance[sp?] and Tobi's commentaries/discussions recently) but I find playing MOBAs boring (especially in pubs) mainly because you're basically set in doing the same thing every game (plus the team aspect where you can't really control the entire game, compared to a 1v1 game, isn't something I like). I mean, when you pick a certain hero, then you're probably know you'll want to play the hero and that gets predictable and mundane IMO. It's just due to the fact you only control 1 unit in MOBAs (usually) and there isn't really any "build orders", I mean going different items isn't really a big deal compared to different build orders in RTS which greatly change the entire game (in comparison). There isn't much freedom or control IMO (compared to SC2). (Disclaimer - This is only in a "solo queue" pub environment. Obviously, if you're playing a MOBA in with a team, it's a different story since the gameplay in team vs team is much different than solo queue pub environment.)
For SC2, I prefer playing it than watching it. From a viewer stand point, I feel like a lot of games just play out the same and it gets boring to watch (of course I do tune it for major tournaments and Proleague sometimes).
Now if SC2 had Reavers and BW-style Muta micro again, I'd totally tune in to SC2 more. The only match ups I like to watch in SC2 is anything that doesn't involve Protoss, and anything that has to do with Terran (TvP). I feel like even in HotS, the matchups (besides Terran matchups) aren't that better than in WoL (HotS ZvZ is actually much worse due to lack of build variation compared to WoL ZvZ and lack of Muta micro and Scourge in BW ZvZ).
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but we had this for free, just like watching TV, you need to change channel for another show on Twitch.tv
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Try an hour or two and make that good. Then we talk about 24 hours.
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I would only care for it if it was a truly professional channel like on TV. I never watch mlg restream etc.
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No, I refuse supporting LoL.
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No, honestly there's already too much content that I cannot possibly watch it all as is. There's always someone stream to tune into 24/7 as well as some event, not to mention VODs.
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This is basically what millenium tv has for the french audience, and it is very successful.
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I wouldn't pay if it was mixed content, since I have zero interest in Dota2/LoL/CS:GO, so no.
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On April 29 2013 20:16 Goldfish wrote:Edit - This post is mainly about a "24/7" stream. If we're talking about the idea of like something like or similar to NASL the Pulse (or anything NASL related, NASL does a good job), then I'd be okay with it. The tl;dr version is a 24 hour, 7 day a week stream seems unneeded since we basically have tons of stuff already to watch. Restreaming probably wouldn't draw in a lot of people (unless it's for a tournament without VODs or with pay for VODs). Watching old stuff is also not exciting unless something interesting happened. I already feel like there is enough content to watch things nearly 24/7. There's usually something going on with SC2 every day (Proleague, WCS, GSTL, etc) already. In terms of "eSports" in general, I also feel that other games have it covered too (Dota 2 has tons of stuff going on every day, free VODs and videos too for a lot of them; Tobi for example usually uploads something at least almost every other day nowadays). I don't think 24/7 would work, especially if it's old content like restreams of tournaments that happened in the past. The main reason is for most people, why watch old stuff (except maybe watching a recent major tournament you missed) when there are plenty of new and more recent stuff to watch going on right now. Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 08:39 Hoon wrote: A "TV-like" channel would be a step down to what we have now. Currently, we tune in to whatever we want, whenever we want. VODs are all up on Twitch or Youtube, tournament schedules can be checked in Liquipedia and watched on Twitch and documentaries, frag videos, etc can be found on Youtube.
I agree. If it's TV-like channel, even if it's on TV too, there's not much incentive for people to watch it since it's much more convenient to watch things online (easier to just pick what you want to watch and when). 24/7 stream just doesn't seem to work. In terms of original content, again, we have tons of original "eSports" related content coming out frequently as of now too (interviews, etc). Plus, shows like SotG has happening regularly (and with Artosis adding "Meta" on to it, another extra show). Inside the Game still is going on too. Add NASL Pulse too, we have the potential for 4 weekly SC2 related shows that cover past events and news related to the SC2 world. Finally a 24/7 stream might contribute to the saturation problem, and it might also cut numbers from player streams too. I'm a bit surprised at the poll results actually since we did have the whole tournament/stream saturation discussion only recently. Overall, there is already enough content for most people to watch something new every day (SC2 alone has enough IMO). A 24/7 stream may work if there wasn't anything else going on but since there's always something (player streams, tournaments, etc), and lots of free VODs too (for example, Proleague Korean VODs are free on eSportsTV youtube, I don't think a 24/7 stream is worth the investment. Show nested quote +IMHO MOBA games are fun to play but extremely boring to watch. Feels like a waste of time to watch. FPS 1v1 is much better though, but there is still the time issue. Not related to the topic (just replying to this poster). For me, this is actually the reverse, heh. (Spoilered as to not to distract posters from the topic, unless you want to read.) + Show Spoiler + I find watching it fun (though thanks to Clairvoyance[sp?] and Tobi's commentaries/discussions recently) but I find playing MOBAs boring (especially in pubs) mainly because you're basically set in doing the same thing every game (plus the team aspect where you can't really control the entire game, compared to a 1v1 game, isn't something I like). I mean, when you pick a certain hero, then you're probably know you'll want to play the hero and that gets predictable and mundane IMO. It's just due to the fact you only control 1 unit in MOBAs (usually) and there isn't really any "build orders", I mean going different items isn't really a big deal compared to different build orders in RTS which greatly change the entire game (in comparison). There isn't much freedom or control IMO (compared to SC2). (Disclaimer - This is only in a "solo queue" pub environment. Obviously, if you're playing a MOBA in with a team, it's a different story since the gameplay in team vs team is much different than solo queue pub environment.)
For SC2, I prefer playing it than watching it. From a viewer stand point, I feel like a lot of games just play out the same and it gets boring to watch (of course I do tune it for major tournaments and Proleague sometimes).
Now if SC2 had Reavers and BW-style Muta micro again, I'd totally tune in to SC2 more. The only match ups I like to watch in SC2 is anything that doesn't involve Protoss, and anything that has to do with Terran (TvP). I feel like even in HotS, the matchups (besides Terran matchups) aren't that better than in WoL (HotS ZvZ is actually much worse due to lack of build variation compared to WoL ZvZ and lack of Muta micro and Scourge in BW ZvZ).
You're thinking about it all wrong. But the best way to do what the OP wants (24/7 channel) is to have something of a Blizzard owned TV channel. This would include all of the best content from around the internetz, being all major events (DH, MLG, GSL, IEM, etc) and other famous and well produced content (NASL, Day[9], SotG, Lo3, anything else you can think of).
Things would be done professionally, with set times and schedules for everything. People would watch content based on where they are and what times they want to be awake, just like they do now. Content providers would have to get their content on air by directly working with Blizzard or TV service provider (whoever is running the channel if it's not Blizzard). Any event that wants to be anything in SC2 would have to work with Blizzard for scheduling and licensing purposes.
Honestly it's a great idea, and it can launch SC2 into mainstream entertainment. In fact it's pretty much a necessity for that purpose. However it's sooooooooo not possible at this moment in time.
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No to be cynical but there's already enough content out there to saturate the 24hrs and how do you plan in creating all that original content? and if you rerun existing one how do you share revenue with all these different parties? Even if you employ lots of people to do so i don't see enough viewers over the hours to justify the manpower.
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On April 29 2013 17:01 DusTerr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 07:59 mordk wrote: Question is: Is there enough content to make such a thing reliable in time? This is my biggest question... For anyone that's watched ESPN between 2-4am even they have some stuff on loop.
2-4am loops are only recent. It used to be they would do a live broadcast at like 1-2 am, and then play it on loop until noon, sometimes even later. Even now they do live shows in the morning, but it is endless loops except for when there's a trade or big news. Otherwise its just a live loop instead of a recorded loop. I fear the same might have to be the case for an esports 24/7 channel, which then kind of defeats the purpose when vods are available instead. Why watch a precorded show on loop when I can watch the vod live and skip boring content, or pause when I need to do something.
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considering 1/4 of the stream would be games that I hate to watch and hate to watch casted (LoL casters have to talk as quickly as auctioneers) I'd say... sure, I'd throw 5 bucks at helping esports. But I probably wouldn't watch the channel.
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that guy is a legend, he has had his stream up for over 6 months now or something like that :D
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fams,I think this could work and did present proposals for something similar to a few sponsors a couple years back. If you're the same fams I know of (worked at fnatic or SK was it? CS background, right?), maybe we can work toghether, I have some extensive video broadcastng experience and have worked on a concept very similar to this in the past. Also, I used to do the video broadcasting for CSN (the CS based CSN with bulzak and co) and was editor-in-chief at winout amongst other things, so I can probably be helpful here
As for the naysayers, I think the IPL stream numbers spoke tons when it comes to the viability of a 24/7 stream (not to mention the IPL stream had the same like, 10-15 games on repeat.)
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In France : Millenium have 2 TV non-stop from 9.30am to 2.00 am and then replay and best-of all night ! It's totally free and 80% SC2 & LoL. OgamingTV (ironsquid crew) have stream all evenings, as well as a good & fun caster Zerator and some other things like WCS EU.
I don't see the interest for them of a stream on real TV, internet is already full of content 24/24 7/7 and ad from streamwebsite like Dailymotion or Twitch pay enough. I would like to see starcraft content on real TV though, for the quality and to avoid lag problem ^^.
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On April 30 2013 03:11 Chloroplaste wrote: In France : Millenium have 2 TV non-stop from 9.30am to 2.00 am and then replay and best-of all night ! It's totally free and 80% SC2 & LoL. OgamingTV (ironsquid crew) have stream all evenings, as well as a good & fun caster Zerator and some other things like WCS EU.
I don't see the interest for them of a stream on real TV, internet is already full of content 24/24 7/7 and ad from streamwebsite like Dailymotion or Twitch pay enough. I would like to see starcraft content on real TV though, for the quality and to avoid lag problem ^^.
This thread is about a stream, not a TV channel
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To me the fact that it's "active 24 hours a day" doesn't add any value to me. The content needs to be better than what's currently on to make me watch it. I like watching personal streams, so for me personally, I doubt there's a whole lot they could air that would interest me. The list of content items he seems to want to implement seems like he just wanted to make the list as long as possible to appeal to more people. Who's going to make all of this content? Enough new stuff to fill up show every single day? This would be a full time job for a whole crew of people, and from the looks of the poll, if it were free, I don't see it being very high quality for the manpower needed to pull off such a project
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I give shit about other games then sc2.. so no, i would not pay for it. I imagene a channel with :
Dreamhack GSL GTSL PL WCS NA WCS EU WCS finals Iron squid The pulse etcetc
with full vods and full replays of everything, yes i would gladly subscribe to that!
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idk sounds good to me. Anything that will make SC2 more mainstream is def a plus.
I think one thing a lot of the naysayers are not realizing is the following:
you mention all this great content already on the web, well the problem is most ppl dont know how to see it/where to see it/how to get there. i know i dont other than youtube or select player stream i have no clue when or where all this other suposed great content is. the cool thing about this channel is that it would be one stop shopping for the average person who is into SC2 who maybe doesnt know when and where all this other content is. This way here you only have to promote one channel and hopefully more of a mainstream audience tunes in as its easy to find and easy to tune into. also SC is (or was) super popular in korea didnt/dont they have television content there? if so how does that work is/was it a dedicated tv channel or is it just on sometimes?
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On April 30 2013 04:17 Empedocles wrote: idk sounds good to me. Anything that will make SC2 more mainstream is def a plus.
I think one thing a lot of the naysayers are not realizing is the following:
you mention all this great content already on the web, well the problem is most ppl dont know how to see it/where to see it/how to get there. i know i dont other than youtube or select player stream i have no clue when or where all this other suposed great content is. the cool thing about this channel is that it would be one stop shopping for the average person who is into SC2 who maybe doesnt know when and where all this other content is. This way here you only have to promote one channel and hopefully more of a mainstream audience tunes in as its easy to find and easy to tune into. also SC is (or was) super popular in korea didnt/dont they have television content there? if so how does that work is/was it a dedicated tv channel or is it just on sometimes? yea I think this is the main benefit, the TL calendar is great for people who know about it (you say you don't know when things are on, look to the right of this page for the Calendar and the Upcoming Events also https://twitter.com/tlevents)
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a "TV like" Channel its quite ambicious, but if someone ever gets to make something like that i would fully support it
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I tried the idea. Most big channels dont want their stuff re-streamed to other channels due to losing potential views on VODs. gg.
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why would anyone pay a fee for something they get for free right now?
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On April 29 2013 14:14 ReachTheSky wrote: It's odd that this question comes about when a few months back the community was screaming too much content.
It's really not. There was too much major content, for lack of a better word, in that we seemingly had a Premier tournament every couple of weeks, thereby diluting the experience as a whole. Now that we have less of those, the "lesser" content should hopefully come back, in the form of smaller online tournaments and other such things. Basically we should try to go back to how it was in 2011.
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i don't think this is how e-sports works. but i guess i'd tune in now and then.
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How is this even a good idea? The entire premise of having a multitude of internet streaming solutions is that we can have as many niche channels as we want. Unifying them under one stream just for the sake of "24/7 esports channel yayayayayay" essentially means moving backwards -> cable TV. The whole point of internet streams is that we (usually) don't have to pay for them, and we get to choose what to watch.
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On April 30 2013 08:19 Die4Ever wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 04:17 Empedocles wrote: idk sounds good to me. Anything that will make SC2 more mainstream is def a plus.
I think one thing a lot of the naysayers are not realizing is the following:
you mention all this great content already on the web, well the problem is most ppl dont know how to see it/where to see it/how to get there. i know i dont other than youtube or select player stream i have no clue when or where all this other suposed great content is. the cool thing about this channel is that it would be one stop shopping for the average person who is into SC2 who maybe doesnt know when and where all this other content is. This way here you only have to promote one channel and hopefully more of a mainstream audience tunes in as its easy to find and easy to tune into. also SC is (or was) super popular in korea didnt/dont they have television content there? if so how does that work is/was it a dedicated tv channel or is it just on sometimes? yea I think this is the main benefit, the TL calendar is great for people who know about it (you say you don't know when things are on, look to the right of this page for the Calendar and the Upcoming Events also https://twitter.com/tlevents)
cool thanks man!
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