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Hi guys. I've made multiple posts before on this current issue and now I feel like its time to make a formal post/request.
First of all, LaG Gaming is an old WC3 team that has been in the SC2 community ever since beta. Some of you guys might remember us as LaGTT (TT stood for TTesports). We've always had a strong amateur scene presence, never really breaking through the pro scene in SC2. Our current roster is listed here. http://www.sc2ranks.com/c/12888/lag-gaming/
Now about the issue. Ever since clan systems were implemented, We've struggled to get the tag LaG. Our first tag was TLaG and our current tag was lLaGl. We've tried every day to see if by a stroke of luck we could obtain LaG back. Unfortunately we could not. We even contacted the owners of the LaG tag only to have them instantly block us from communication.
One day, roughly a month ago, we realized that the owner of the LaG tag left the clan. We jumped at a chance to get the tag back only to find out that the ownership was transferred and it was hidden from the clan system on Battle.net.
Recently using some SC2 Ladder sites, I have found out the owner of the LaG tag. It personally appalled me that after checking his account, he hasn't played a game since April 30th, Roughly 2 months inactive.(Link to proof: http://nios.kr/sc2/us/clan/detail/LAG)
We at LaG Gaming are slowly expanding and for MLG Anahiem we have 2 set players going and maybe a third. We are going to get interviewed, talk to sponsors, and hopefully get casted on the main stage. We want to have a very professional tag like LaG and not lLaGl because it makes us look slow and not fast enough to pick up that name.
Overall I'm not positively sure that we can obtain it. I've went through countless amounts of live chat, support, forum posting etc. I just wanted to make the issue known to the Devs of SC2 and the community that they need to implement a policy for this. Thanks a lot for your time guys.
-Xonix
Links: http://www.LaGGaming.net http://www.facebook.com/LaG2.0Gaming @LaGSC2
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Try Bnet forums.
Edit: Need to stop posting from my phone, always miss an important part of the OP.
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On June 10 2013 04:20 Grovbolle wrote: Try Bnet forums. Did also.
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I agree with this motion. The internet is infinity. Bnet isn't.
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On June 10 2013 04:20 Grovbolle wrote: Try Bnet forums. Try reading the OP.
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Look back in Brood War times for example, they had a inactive account policy that after x amount of time it would be deleted or if you didnt have/get x amount of games in x amount of time the account was to be deleted.
I have touched brood war since 2008 roughly (other than some random 1;1 games out of boredom once a year on a fake account), but yet my main accounts are still active after 3 years.
The reason I say this, is because Blizzard has always said one thing but yet doesnt really follow through on it to the fullest extent.
Honestly, I think if you actually got a huge following with a backing on this IE TL/Reddit maybe a petition online they potentially may implement some changes to it.
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Yeah that makes a lot of sense.
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I had the same issue with the clan tag that our clan would have loved to have since the support launched. Someone took the clan tag way back since the beginning of the beta and hasn't been online in over 27 weeks and is the only user with the tag. I actually contacted blizzard staff about it via live chat and email, and they told me that it was something that blizzard hasn't really implemented to be able to change yet, [Don't know why] so there was nothing they could do at this time. I've tried to also have the clan tag be reported a bunch of times, but that hasn't worked either. I hope there's eventually going to be a way for us to let blizzard know of what's happening. I'm sure it's an easy fix they just haven't got to yet? =/ Not sure.
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You gotta fight...for the right...of your claaaaaaan tag!!!
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Agreed, definitely annoying for those who had their clan names taken by trolls.
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+1, oG had the same problem, but we were lucky enough that the person who owned the tag was willing to let us have it (it was 2 guys, so we just let them into the clan as well).
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Seems like people should be able to make a different clan with the same tag. Like how we can already have any in game name chosen.
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this looks more like advertising for your clan than actually having an issue :>
also curious that noone took a tag like [EG]
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On June 10 2013 04:59 teddyoojo wrote: this looks more like advertising for your clan than actually having an issue :>
also curious that noone took a tag like [EG]
That's a really weak way to advertise :/
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On June 10 2013 04:59 teddyoojo wrote: this looks more like advertising for your clan than actually having an issue :>
also curious that noone took a tag like [EG] Pro teams had tags reserved I believe.
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Since April 30th? Roughly 2 months? Try roughly ONE. A system for cancelling inactive tags is just stupid. Personally, I don't play this game that often, so I'm liable to stop for as long as year and come back. What if I got a clan tag with my friends, and when I came back it got revoked without me knowing? I'd be kinda pissed. Plus you get 6 alphanumeric characters in your clan tag. 6^36. Do the math. There's always gonna be another clan tag for you to pick.
My point is, don't come to TL and whine about how this guy apparently has a life (leaving a game for a little over a month, probably engaging in terrible debauchery), and how bad you deserve this. And my favorite:
" We want to have a very professional tag like LaG and not lLaGl because it makes us look slow and not fast enough to pick up that name. "
Well guess what you were too slow. Somebody else got it first. And it's rightfully theirs. Honestly, I now understand why this guy ignored you on bnet.
Now for the advice, if you've made it this far: It sounds like there is already a system in place to transfer tags. If this tag is that important to you, make him an offer. You know, wave some $$$ in his face. Since he's ignored you, try to get a hold of one of his contacts and explain the situation. If he still ignores you, it's because he's read this thread, and is now witholding the tag to spite you.
If a team like EG or TL had this happen to them, they would do just that. They would find the person with the tag, treat them with a tremendous amount of respect, and make a generous offer. Basically, if you want to be professional, stop whining like a bitch and let the money do the talking.
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I agree with this.
My clans name on Europe server has been taken by a gold league player, with nobody in the clan and hasnt been active for 34 weeks
T_T
i posted this on bnet forums. No one seems to care.
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On June 10 2013 07:23 FunkyLich wrote: Since April 30th? Roughly 2 months? Try roughly ONE. A system for cancelling inactive tags is just stupid. Personally, I don't play this game that often, so I'm liable to stop for as long as year and come back. What if I got a clan tag with my friends, and when I came back it got revoked without me knowing? I'd be kinda pissed. Plus you get 6 alphanumeric characters in your clan tag. 6^36. Do the math. There's always gonna be another clan tag for you to pick.
My point is, don't come to TL and whine about how this guy apparently has a life (leaving a game for a little over a month, probably engaging in terrible debauchery), and how bad you deserve this. And my favorite:
" We want to have a very professional tag like LaG and not lLaGl because it makes us look slow and not fast enough to pick up that name. "
Well guess what you were too slow. Somebody else got it first. And it's rightfully theirs. Honestly, I now understand why this guy ignored you on bnet.
Now for the advice, if you've made it this far: It sounds like there is already a system in place to transfer tags. If this tag is that important to you, make him an offer. You know, wave some $$$ in his face. Since he's ignored you, try to get a hold of one of his contacts and explain the situation. If he still ignores you, it's because he's read this thread, and is now witholding the tag to spite you.
If a team like EG or TL had this happen to them, they would do just that. They would find the person with the tag, treat them with a tremendous amount of respect, and make a generous offer. Basically, if you want to be professional, stop whining like a bitch and let the money do the talking.
Lol, that's a stupid way to look at it. Everyone has priorities in life which will cause them not to play. But your personal life doesn't have anything to do with the game as a whole. There SHOULD be an inactive clan policy. It's smart. It isn't anyone's fault you can't take 3 minutes out of you day to log in and log back out. If they want their tag to be LaG instead of any other tag, and the ones using it have been gone, then why should they deserve to keep it? What if they never come back?
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On June 10 2013 07:26 Shin_Gouki wrote:
Lol, that's a stupid way to look at it. Everyone has priorities in life which will cause them not to play. But your personal life doesn't have anything to do with the game as a whole. There SHOULD be an inactive clan policy. It's smart. It isn't anyone's fault you can't take 3 minutes out of you day to log in and log back out. If they want their tag to be LaG instead of any other tag, and the ones using it have been gone, then why should they deserve to keep it? What if they never come back?
Okay that brings up another point against the clan inactivity system. If I were the guy who owned the LaG tag, and let's say I'm also mean and terrible, I would make a point to log into starcraft every month or so just so the tag didn't go inactive. You're right it doesn't take but 3 minutes.
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I was amused after reading "old" and "WC3" in one sentence, afterwards you made me laugh when you said you dont want to seem too slow to grab your nametag.
Sorry mate, i know it sucks, but i guess the current owner has the right to hold the clantag, he made a clan with it before you did.
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On June 10 2013 07:30 FunkyLich wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 07:26 Shin_Gouki wrote:
Lol, that's a stupid way to look at it. Everyone has priorities in life which will cause them not to play. But your personal life doesn't have anything to do with the game as a whole. There SHOULD be an inactive clan policy. It's smart. It isn't anyone's fault you can't take 3 minutes out of you day to log in and log back out. If they want their tag to be LaG instead of any other tag, and the ones using it have been gone, then why should they deserve to keep it? What if they never come back? Okay that brings up another point against the clan inactivity system. If I were the guy who owned the LaG tag, and let's say I'm also mean and terrible, I would make a point to log into starcraft every month or so just so the tag didn't go inactive. You're right it doesn't take but 3 minutes.
Hmm, that's a good point you bring up. I guess if LaG couldn't reach an agreement with the guy, they'd have no choice but to accept a different tag (you can't force them to surrender the tag). Maybe blizz should just allow people to have the same tag. Although, that could be hectic when using the current find group function... o_O
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i really agree, a hard-working clan is trying to get known in Starcraft 2 and some other clan who is inactive is taking that chance away from them.
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On June 10 2013 07:34 Shin_Gouki wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 07:30 FunkyLich wrote:On June 10 2013 07:26 Shin_Gouki wrote:
Lol, that's a stupid way to look at it. Everyone has priorities in life which will cause them not to play. But your personal life doesn't have anything to do with the game as a whole. There SHOULD be an inactive clan policy. It's smart. It isn't anyone's fault you can't take 3 minutes out of you day to log in and log back out. If they want their tag to be LaG instead of any other tag, and the ones using it have been gone, then why should they deserve to keep it? What if they never come back? Okay that brings up another point against the clan inactivity system. If I were the guy who owned the LaG tag, and let's say I'm also mean and terrible, I would make a point to log into starcraft every month or so just so the tag didn't go inactive. You're right it doesn't take but 3 minutes. Hmm, that's a good point you bring up. I guess if LaG couldn't reach an agreement with the guy, they'd have no choice but to accept a different tag (you can't force them to surrender the tag). Maybe blizz should just allow people to have the same tag. Although, that could be hectic when using the current find group function... o_O Maybe you could have a system similar to Twitter, where user accounts for celebrities and other notable people have a small icon that signifies that they are indeed Day[9] or Jennifer Love Hewitt or whatever, and not some imposter masquerading as them. If your organization is sufficiently renowned, you could apply for the clan tag you wanted and you'd receive it along with an identifier of some sort, to confirm that your players are truly a part of that clan or team. There would be some logistics to work out, like "how well-known is well-known?", and the possibility of everyone and their mother claiming to be notable and deserving of clan tag X, but I think it could solve this issue fairly well. Both parties get to keep the LaG tag, and the pro team can be easily identified.
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On June 10 2013 07:57 Archas wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 07:34 Shin_Gouki wrote:On June 10 2013 07:30 FunkyLich wrote:On June 10 2013 07:26 Shin_Gouki wrote:
Lol, that's a stupid way to look at it. Everyone has priorities in life which will cause them not to play. But your personal life doesn't have anything to do with the game as a whole. There SHOULD be an inactive clan policy. It's smart. It isn't anyone's fault you can't take 3 minutes out of you day to log in and log back out. If they want their tag to be LaG instead of any other tag, and the ones using it have been gone, then why should they deserve to keep it? What if they never come back? Okay that brings up another point against the clan inactivity system. If I were the guy who owned the LaG tag, and let's say I'm also mean and terrible, I would make a point to log into starcraft every month or so just so the tag didn't go inactive. You're right it doesn't take but 3 minutes. Hmm, that's a good point you bring up. I guess if LaG couldn't reach an agreement with the guy, they'd have no choice but to accept a different tag (you can't force them to surrender the tag). Maybe blizz should just allow people to have the same tag. Although, that could be hectic when using the current find group function... o_O Maybe you could have a system similar to Twitter, where user accounts for celebrities and other notable people have a small icon that signifies that they are indeed Day[9] or Jennifer Love Hewitt or whatever, and not some imposter masquerading as them. If your organization is sufficiently renowned, you could apply for the clan tag you wanted and you'd receive it along with an identifier of some sort, to confirm that your players are truly a part of that clan or team. There would be some logistics to work out, like "how well-known is well-known?", and the possibility of everyone and their mother claiming to be notable and deserving of clan tag X, but I think it could solve this issue fairly well. Both parties get to keep the LaG tag, and the pro team can be easily identified.
I like this idea! Hmm, as you said though, we would have to discuss how to determine a team is "well-known." For a team like EG and TL, that's obviously easy. But for up and coming teams like LaG, who have been around for a long time... hmm... maybe by age? LaG has a website, could that work in their favor?
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On June 10 2013 07:54 Penguin7 wrote: i really agree, a hard-working clan is trying to get known in Starcraft 2 and some other clan who is inactive is taking that chance away from them.
adding minor confusion sure, not taking the chance away though.
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On June 10 2013 08:01 Shin_Gouki wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 07:57 Archas wrote:On June 10 2013 07:34 Shin_Gouki wrote:On June 10 2013 07:30 FunkyLich wrote:On June 10 2013 07:26 Shin_Gouki wrote:
Lol, that's a stupid way to look at it. Everyone has priorities in life which will cause them not to play. But your personal life doesn't have anything to do with the game as a whole. There SHOULD be an inactive clan policy. It's smart. It isn't anyone's fault you can't take 3 minutes out of you day to log in and log back out. If they want their tag to be LaG instead of any other tag, and the ones using it have been gone, then why should they deserve to keep it? What if they never come back? Okay that brings up another point against the clan inactivity system. If I were the guy who owned the LaG tag, and let's say I'm also mean and terrible, I would make a point to log into starcraft every month or so just so the tag didn't go inactive. You're right it doesn't take but 3 minutes. Hmm, that's a good point you bring up. I guess if LaG couldn't reach an agreement with the guy, they'd have no choice but to accept a different tag (you can't force them to surrender the tag). Maybe blizz should just allow people to have the same tag. Although, that could be hectic when using the current find group function... o_O Maybe you could have a system similar to Twitter, where user accounts for celebrities and other notable people have a small icon that signifies that they are indeed Day[9] or Jennifer Love Hewitt or whatever, and not some imposter masquerading as them. If your organization is sufficiently renowned, you could apply for the clan tag you wanted and you'd receive it along with an identifier of some sort, to confirm that your players are truly a part of that clan or team. There would be some logistics to work out, like "how well-known is well-known?", and the possibility of everyone and their mother claiming to be notable and deserving of clan tag X, but I think it could solve this issue fairly well. Both parties get to keep the LaG tag, and the pro team can be easily identified. I like this idea! Hmm, as you said though, we would have to discuss how to determine a team is "well-known." For a team like EG and TL, that's obviously easy. But for up and coming teams like LaG, who have been around for a long time... hmm... maybe by age? LaG has a website, could that work in their favor? That'd be Blizzard's job to determine the metrics required for a "confirmed clan tag" or whatever term they'd use. Given how closely the developers follow tournaments, I would posit (in my uneducated opinion) that a team who can consistently afford to send players to tournaments, or has a unusually strong presence at the top of the ladder, should be considered for the confirmation indicator.
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Talk to whoever owns the tag not sure why you would post this on this site
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Can't you just rename to the clantag + nick as your full bnet name anyhow?
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On June 10 2013 08:24 HeeroFX wrote: Talk to whoever owns the tag not sure why you would post this on this site
The point is to bring about discussion for the general suggestion of having an inactive clan policy with his own circumstances as an example. I suppose it does seem like a really minor issue, but I can understand how frustrating it can be to not be able to have a tag just because someone took it on a whim and did nothing more with it.
FunkyLich, no need to be rude. LaG has indeed been around for years, and this is a legitimate issue.
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On June 10 2013 07:26 Shin_Gouki wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 07:23 FunkyLich wrote: Since April 30th? Roughly 2 months? Try roughly ONE. A system for cancelling inactive tags is just stupid. Personally, I don't play this game that often, so I'm liable to stop for as long as year and come back. What if I got a clan tag with my friends, and when I came back it got revoked without me knowing? I'd be kinda pissed. Plus you get 6 alphanumeric characters in your clan tag. 6^36. Do the math. There's always gonna be another clan tag for you to pick.
My point is, don't come to TL and whine about how this guy apparently has a life (leaving a game for a little over a month, probably engaging in terrible debauchery), and how bad you deserve this. And my favorite:
" We want to have a very professional tag like LaG and not lLaGl because it makes us look slow and not fast enough to pick up that name. "
Well guess what you were too slow. Somebody else got it first. And it's rightfully theirs. Honestly, I now understand why this guy ignored you on bnet.
Now for the advice, if you've made it this far: It sounds like there is already a system in place to transfer tags. If this tag is that important to you, make him an offer. You know, wave some $$$ in his face. Since he's ignored you, try to get a hold of one of his contacts and explain the situation. If he still ignores you, it's because he's read this thread, and is now witholding the tag to spite you.
If a team like EG or TL had this happen to them, they would do just that. They would find the person with the tag, treat them with a tremendous amount of respect, and make a generous offer. Basically, if you want to be professional, stop whining like a bitch and let the money do the talking. Lol, that's a stupid way to look at it. Everyone has priorities in life which will cause them not to play. But your personal life doesn't have anything to do with the game as a whole. There SHOULD be an inactive clan policy. It's smart. It isn't anyone's fault you can't take 3 minutes out of you day to log in and log back out. If they want their tag to be LaG instead of any other tag, and the ones using it have been gone, then why should they deserve to keep it? What if they never come back?
That is quite stupid, nobody will remember logging in for 3 minutes just to keep a clan tag, unless as the previous one said someone intends to bother somebody.
Having clans expire due to inactivity will have far more negative impacts than positive ones. The only proper reason to this would be for Blizzard to have a place to report these cases on, and if they can properly prove that they have the right to this tag, and they can see that the clan is inactive or maybe simply a troll, then reserve it for them.
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That is quite stupid, nobody will remember logging in for 3 minutes just to keep a clan tag, unless as the previous one said someone intends to bother somebody.
If they can't be bothered to log on to actually use the tag, why should they be entitled to it? It doesn't have to be three minutes a day, the specifics are arbitrary. There should be some sort of practice, though.
Having clans expire due to inactivity will have far more negative impacts than positive ones.
What are the negative impacts here?
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On June 10 2013 09:01 Windows 7 wrote:Show nested quote +That is quite stupid, nobody will remember logging in for 3 minutes just to keep a clan tag, unless as the previous one said someone intends to bother somebody. If they can't be bothered to log on to actually use the tag, why should they be entitled to it? It doesn't have to be three minutes a day, the specifics are arbitrary. There should be some sort of practice, though. Show nested quote +Having clans expire due to inactivity will have far more negative impacts than positive ones. What are the negative impacts here?
You forget that these clans also have a lot of members, and they will be dissolved if you choose to abandon a clan. Also, some clans are quite small, and just because you have a break from the game does not make them any less entitled to keep that tag, maybe they have used it for ages as well. TaG isn't pro, so it doesn't serve the community anything to give them their tag, unless the other clan which is holding their tag is simply a troll. That is the reason why blizzard most likely reserved tags for the pro teams, because it has benefits for the community and eSports, while an amateur team having their tag does not.
Also, you could have used the tag on battlenet for two years(eventually) and then because you're not on for a short time, you lose it. It's simply not worth the time for blizzard to make these changes, even if it's a simple one.
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I agree with the idea of a system which recognizes a 'known' team from an unknown team. It probably should use the same metric and/or system that Twitter uses: when you directly contact, or get contacted, you explain your reason for who you are and why you are famous. And of course there will be +/-'s in terms of 'fame' (EG is 'more' famous than RoX.KiS, but we interpret that somehow subliminally without hard evidence).
TLDR: Agree with you, but think the idea of a recognition system is better (think the Grandmaster of tags)
Sorry for the situation. That sounds rough.
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On June 10 2013 08:24 HeeroFX wrote: Talk to whoever owns the tag not sure why you would post this on this site
"We even contacted the owners of the LaG tag only to have them instantly block us from communication."
Did you even read the OP?
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Same with Fnatic, we have to call ourselves "Fnatc", because some guy who havent played a single game in 5 months owns the clan (no other members), and my friend even contacted blizzard, but they told him they werent able to do anything about it because they havent implemented a way to fix this problem.
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On June 10 2013 09:19 FnaticPink wrote: Same with Fnatic, we have to call ourselves "Fnatc", because some guy who havent played a single game in 5 months owns the clan (no other members), and my friend even contacted blizzard, but they told him they werent able to do anything about it because they havent implemented a way to fix this problem. This is ridiculous that Blizzard won't respond to such a well known clan.
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We might have everyone beat. Some kids took NrG and even named it Team Energy, and exact copy of the team I've been running since the beginning of time. I offered him money, and was very polite in reasoning with him. Showed our liquipedia page with my name on it but he still wouldn't give it to us, so we now use lNrGl.
The worst part of it is most of the team hacks, and is lead by a guy who is all over TL for hacking (pandalove). So they are just running around tarnishing our reputation for those who don't know the difference..
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On June 10 2013 09:01 Windows 7 wrote: What are the negative impacts here?
1.) People losing their rightful clan tags for stupid reasons like this. Where the *prestigous* clan is apparently too cheap to try and pay for the tag.
2.) Clans should be accessible to anyone, including the less active ones who aren't going to remember to log in every 3 months or whatever. It's stupid to have to remember this because there are plenty of tags available.
3.) Why would you want this UNLESS you were in this exact situation? This is just selfish. Just because making that one clan tag expire would be convenient for you, doesn't mean it would be convenient for everyone across the board. And that's completely ignoring the fact that this guy who owns the LaG tag at present would be inconvenienced the most. And has anyone even thought about it from the owner's perspective? It's his tag, plain and simple. Maybe he's not a troll (doesn't matter IMO but still). Maybe that's his clan's actual name. Mind boggling right? LaG is a name that I would have expected to go within the first hour of go-live on the clan tag system, especially since the names are case insensitive. If you didn't realize that, it's your fault as far as I'm concerned.
4) Finally as we've described, an inactivity system being put in place is not going to stop trolls. It's quite troll friendly actually. If I hated EG (I don't), and I was sitting on top of their clan tag, I would make a special point to log in once a month, just to make sure I keep them from getting this tag.
I'll say it again. Pay. Up. That is the solution here. If you want something bad enough, you gotta pay for it. Instead, OP is asking Blizzard to play Robin Hood for him, and frankly I find that immoral.
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I will never give up my [shield] tag! Fanboy whaiting!
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IMO I think Blizzard should take the time to address these type of tickets. They should just give them the tag if they can prove they have a significant organization in the sc2 scene. I also think that if a group of friends got that tag first and do play the game (even if its team games once in a while), they should have the final say.
No automatic system. Just people making use of their judgement would easily fix this issue.
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That's one thing about the SC2 community that I never liked, so many lame tryhard people that put you on ignore. You own them on ladder, they call you a cheesy fag and leave the game, you wanna trashtalk back and challenge for a regame and they just dodge and ignore you...
Like 10 years ago me and some homies from highschool made a broodwar clan. All was fine and dandy until one day suddenly other people with the same tag where hanging out in our clan chat channel and claimed it for them. Trashtalk ensued and after maybe an hour shit got real and there was to be a clanwar for the right to the chat channel. I called some friends that weren't online: "Yo man, get your ass on bnet." "I have homework to do, my mom will kill me." "Dude we have to slay these nerds right now, for the fatherland!" The clanwar started and it was really close because we were mostly normal map players and they fmp players so we played on both maps, but in the end we won, they accepted their defeat and the chat channel was ours again.
That's how situations like this should be resolved but sadly too many dodging nerds are around these days.
Sorry for offtopic, just got hit by a massive nostalgia bomb
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We want to have a very professional tag like LaG and not lLaGl because it makes us look slow and not fast enough to pick up that name. but isnt it true that you were slow and no fast enough to pick up the name? lol
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On June 10 2013 09:06 Cinim wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 09:01 Windows 7 wrote:That is quite stupid, nobody will remember logging in for 3 minutes just to keep a clan tag, unless as the previous one said someone intends to bother somebody. If they can't be bothered to log on to actually use the tag, why should they be entitled to it? It doesn't have to be three minutes a day, the specifics are arbitrary. There should be some sort of practice, though. Having clans expire due to inactivity will have far more negative impacts than positive ones. What are the negative impacts here? You forget that these clans also have a lot of members, and they will be dissolved if you choose to abandon a clan. Also, some clans are quite small, and just because you have a break from the game does not make them any less entitled to keep that tag, maybe they have used it for ages as well. TaG isn't pro, so it doesn't serve the community anything to give them their tag, unless the other clan which is holding their tag is simply a troll. That is the reason why blizzard most likely reserved tags for the pro teams, because it has benefits for the community and eSports, while an amateur team having their tag does not. Also, you could have used the tag on battlenet for two years(eventually) and then because you're not on for a short time, you lose it. It's simply not worth the time for blizzard to make these changes, even if it's a simple one.
WC3 had a clan decay system.
Don't log in for a few weeks? its gone
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I don't agree with it. They got it first and should keep it, even if they were bronze players. But, blizzard could put a 1 year inactivity for the clan members. Meaning if not a single member logs in for 1 year, it would be deleted.
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On June 10 2013 10:02 Herper wrote: I don't agree with it. They got it first and should keep it, even if they were bronze players. But, blizzard could put a 1 year inactivity for the clan members. Meaning if not a single member logs in for 1 year, it would be deleted.
1 year is a bit too long =D. 1 month seems reasonable if EVERY single member does not log on.
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Why should a tag be unique? Names aren't.
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I have to agree with this
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On June 10 2013 10:05 Koshi wrote: Why should a tag be unique? Names aren't.
inb4 50 different EG's, its a terrible idea lol
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While I agree the idea (but post on TL prob won't help it much), OP's situation has little to do with it. Unless clean leader being a dbag or clan leader being inactive is a valid reason to scrap a whole clan, I don't get how it would help OP in anyway.
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On June 10 2013 10:22 ragz_gt wrote: While I agree the idea (but post on TL prob won't help it much), OP's situation has little to do with it. Unless clean leader being a dbag or clan leader being inactive is a valid reason to scrap a whole clan, I don't get how it would help OP in anyway. You see, TL tends to get more feedback then Bnet forums. I've tried before on them and they just get pushed down without bumps or replies from mods.
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On June 10 2013 09:06 Cinim wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 09:01 Windows 7 wrote:That is quite stupid, nobody will remember logging in for 3 minutes just to keep a clan tag, unless as the previous one said someone intends to bother somebody. If they can't be bothered to log on to actually use the tag, why should they be entitled to it? It doesn't have to be three minutes a day, the specifics are arbitrary. There should be some sort of practice, though. Having clans expire due to inactivity will have far more negative impacts than positive ones. What are the negative impacts here? You forget that these clans also have a lot of members, and they will be dissolved if you choose to abandon a clan. Also, some clans are quite small, and just because you have a break from the game does not make them any less entitled to keep that tag, maybe they have used it for ages as well. TaG isn't pro, so it doesn't serve the community anything to give them their tag, unless the other clan which is holding their tag is simply a troll. That is the reason why blizzard most likely reserved tags for the pro teams, because it has benefits for the community and eSports, while an amateur team having their tag does not. Also, you could have used the tag on battlenet for two years(eventually) and then because you're not on for a short time, you lose it. It's simply not worth the time for blizzard to make these changes, even if it's a simple one.
>If you abandon a clan
If you abandon the clan, you shouldn't deserve to be the owner anyway. What kind of counter logic is that? If a player cannot remain active and doesn't bother to at least log in to check on his beloved clan, then he shouldn't be able to keep it.
You also shouldn't have to pay money to the person currently owning it (as another poster recommended). That's beyond stupid as far as I'm concerned.
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On June 10 2013 13:20 Shin_Gouki wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 09:06 Cinim wrote:On June 10 2013 09:01 Windows 7 wrote:That is quite stupid, nobody will remember logging in for 3 minutes just to keep a clan tag, unless as the previous one said someone intends to bother somebody. If they can't be bothered to log on to actually use the tag, why should they be entitled to it? It doesn't have to be three minutes a day, the specifics are arbitrary. There should be some sort of practice, though. Having clans expire due to inactivity will have far more negative impacts than positive ones. What are the negative impacts here? You forget that these clans also have a lot of members, and they will be dissolved if you choose to abandon a clan. Also, some clans are quite small, and just because you have a break from the game does not make them any less entitled to keep that tag, maybe they have used it for ages as well. TaG isn't pro, so it doesn't serve the community anything to give them their tag, unless the other clan which is holding their tag is simply a troll. That is the reason why blizzard most likely reserved tags for the pro teams, because it has benefits for the community and eSports, while an amateur team having their tag does not. Also, you could have used the tag on battlenet for two years(eventually) and then because you're not on for a short time, you lose it. It's simply not worth the time for blizzard to make these changes, even if it's a simple one. >If you abandon a clan If you abandon the clan, you shouldn't deserve to be the owner anyway. What kind of counter logic is that? If a player cannot remain active and doesn't bother to at least log in to check on his beloved clan, then he shouldn't be able to keep it. You also shouldn't have to pay money to the person currently owning it (as another poster recommended). That's beyond stupid as far as I'm concerned. Actually if we had contact with him, we would definitely be willing to pay money....
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On June 10 2013 13:21 Xonix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 13:20 Shin_Gouki wrote:On June 10 2013 09:06 Cinim wrote:On June 10 2013 09:01 Windows 7 wrote:That is quite stupid, nobody will remember logging in for 3 minutes just to keep a clan tag, unless as the previous one said someone intends to bother somebody. If they can't be bothered to log on to actually use the tag, why should they be entitled to it? It doesn't have to be three minutes a day, the specifics are arbitrary. There should be some sort of practice, though. Having clans expire due to inactivity will have far more negative impacts than positive ones. What are the negative impacts here? You forget that these clans also have a lot of members, and they will be dissolved if you choose to abandon a clan. Also, some clans are quite small, and just because you have a break from the game does not make them any less entitled to keep that tag, maybe they have used it for ages as well. TaG isn't pro, so it doesn't serve the community anything to give them their tag, unless the other clan which is holding their tag is simply a troll. That is the reason why blizzard most likely reserved tags for the pro teams, because it has benefits for the community and eSports, while an amateur team having their tag does not. Also, you could have used the tag on battlenet for two years(eventually) and then because you're not on for a short time, you lose it. It's simply not worth the time for blizzard to make these changes, even if it's a simple one. >If you abandon a clan If you abandon the clan, you shouldn't deserve to be the owner anyway. What kind of counter logic is that? If a player cannot remain active and doesn't bother to at least log in to check on his beloved clan, then he shouldn't be able to keep it. You also shouldn't have to pay money to the person currently owning it (as another poster recommended). That's beyond stupid as far as I'm concerned. Actually if we had contact with him, we would definitely be willing to pay money....
It's great and all you're willing to pay, but that still shouldn't be necessary.
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On June 10 2013 13:25 Shin_Gouki wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 13:21 Xonix wrote:On June 10 2013 13:20 Shin_Gouki wrote:On June 10 2013 09:06 Cinim wrote:On June 10 2013 09:01 Windows 7 wrote:That is quite stupid, nobody will remember logging in for 3 minutes just to keep a clan tag, unless as the previous one said someone intends to bother somebody. If they can't be bothered to log on to actually use the tag, why should they be entitled to it? It doesn't have to be three minutes a day, the specifics are arbitrary. There should be some sort of practice, though. Having clans expire due to inactivity will have far more negative impacts than positive ones. What are the negative impacts here? You forget that these clans also have a lot of members, and they will be dissolved if you choose to abandon a clan. Also, some clans are quite small, and just because you have a break from the game does not make them any less entitled to keep that tag, maybe they have used it for ages as well. TaG isn't pro, so it doesn't serve the community anything to give them their tag, unless the other clan which is holding their tag is simply a troll. That is the reason why blizzard most likely reserved tags for the pro teams, because it has benefits for the community and eSports, while an amateur team having their tag does not. Also, you could have used the tag on battlenet for two years(eventually) and then because you're not on for a short time, you lose it. It's simply not worth the time for blizzard to make these changes, even if it's a simple one. >If you abandon a clan If you abandon the clan, you shouldn't deserve to be the owner anyway. What kind of counter logic is that? If a player cannot remain active and doesn't bother to at least log in to check on his beloved clan, then he shouldn't be able to keep it. You also shouldn't have to pay money to the person currently owning it (as another poster recommended). That's beyond stupid as far as I'm concerned. Actually if we had contact with him, we would definitely be willing to pay money.... It's great and all you're willing to pay, but that still shouldn't be necessary. Idk I just want the tag back. Do I really want my players to represent us at MLG Anaheim with lLaGl?
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On June 10 2013 09:53 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:That's one thing about the SC2 community that I never liked, so many lame tryhard people that put you on ignore. You own them on ladder, they call you a cheesy fag and leave the game, you wanna trashtalk back and challenge for a regame and they just dodge and ignore you... Like 10 years ago me and some homies from highschool made a broodwar clan. All was fine and dandy until one day suddenly other people with the same tag where hanging out in our clan chat channel and claimed it for them. Trashtalk ensued and after maybe an hour shit got real and there was to be a clanwar for the right to the chat channel. I called some friends that weren't online: "Yo man, get your ass on bnet." "I have homework to do, my mom will kill me." "Dude we have to slay these nerds right now, for the fatherland!" The clanwar started and it was really close because we were mostly normal map players and they fmp players so we played on both maps, but in the end we won, they accepted their defeat and the chat channel was ours again. That's how situations like this should be resolved but sadly too many dodging nerds are around these days. Sorry for offtopic, just got hit by a massive nostalgia bomb
That's an awesome story. Clanwar for channel ownership. :D Glad you guys won in the end >< So many things SC2 is lacking that BW did well (whether intentional or not). sigh
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You're telling me that you let someone who nobody in your organization has the ability to contact holds control of your tag.
I agree that there should be some form of activity requirement for holding a tag, though I think it should be much longer than a few months.
if the only way you have to contact people within your organization is through b.net then the problem lies with your team rather than the b.net.
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On June 10 2013 13:36 Moa wrote: You're telling me that you let someone who nobody in your organization has the ability to contact hold control of your tag.
I agree that there should be some form of activity requirement for holding a tag, though I think it should be much longer than a few months.
if the only way you have to contact people within your organization is through b.net then the problem lies with your team rather than the b.net. Um I'm not quite positive what this post is implying. The guy who owns LAG (LAGSHACK) is in now way affiliated with LaG Gaming
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On June 10 2013 13:36 Moa wrote: You're telling me that you let someone who nobody in your organization has the ability to contact hold control of your tag.
I agree that there should be some form of activity requirement for holding a tag, though I think it should be much longer than a few months.
if the only way you have to contact people within your organization is through b.net then the problem lies with your team rather than the b.net.
Obviously didn't read the original post^
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so team nrg, fnatic and lag all have clan tags taken by ppl who are inactive for 2+ months or are hackers. c'mon blizz this isn't hard to fix.
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The current owner of that tag is being a prick. What's the fucking point in making your clan private and unsearchable? Sounds like some introverted asshole's sense of entitlement is stripping an actual organization of an opportunity to make themselves look more professional. Same goes for the guy who is holding the fnatic tag. It shouldn't have been a god damn race to see who can get a clan tag first. A quick fix in this situation would be Blizzard allowing clan tags to ignore duplicates if they aren't the same capitalization.
However, they should really look purging inactive clans. If you really, really cared about a clan and wanted to see it flourish, you wouldn't let it die by going inactive yourself. LaG has been around and active in NA since very early into SC2 and it's a damn shame that something this stupid is happening.
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On June 10 2013 13:53 Comogury wrote: The current owner of that tag is being a prick. What's the fucking point in making your clan private and unsearchable? Sounds like some introverted asshole's sense of entitlement is stripping an actual organization of an opportunity to make themselves look more professional. Same goes for the guy who is holding the fnatic tag. It shouldn't have been a god damn race to see who can get a clan tag first. A quick fix in this situation would be Blizzard allowing clan tags to ignore duplicates if they aren't the same capitalization.
However, they should really look purging inactive clans. If you really, really cared about a clan and wanted to see it flourish, you wouldn't let it die by going inactive yourself. LaG has been around and active in NA since very early into SC2 and it's a damn shame that something this stupid is happening. On the other hand they did pay for the game and therefore paid for the same rights to clan names as everyone else. You can't just purge people because they can't play for two months. I guess many people here don't understand how life can get you busy and sometimes you have to put the game down to manage real situations. Then they come back 3 months late to blizzard saying hey we killed you shitty clan cause a bunch of people have an sc2 team with the same name! You aren't more entitled then other paying customers. There are plenty of casuals that want their own clan and it's something everyone will have to live with. I think the people angry here are being nothing more then bullies with pitchforks. Sorry you think they everyone who causes you problems are trolls, but if you aren't Flash most of these people with clan names probably haven't even heard of you regardless of the effort you put into competitive gaming. When life gives you problems create your own solution instead of blaming it on blizzard again.
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On June 10 2013 14:13 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 13:53 Comogury wrote: The current owner of that tag is being a prick. What's the fucking point in making your clan private and unsearchable? Sounds like some introverted asshole's sense of entitlement is stripping an actual organization of an opportunity to make themselves look more professional. Same goes for the guy who is holding the fnatic tag. It shouldn't have been a god damn race to see who can get a clan tag first. A quick fix in this situation would be Blizzard allowing clan tags to ignore duplicates if they aren't the same capitalization.
However, they should really look purging inactive clans. If you really, really cared about a clan and wanted to see it flourish, you wouldn't let it die by going inactive yourself. LaG has been around and active in NA since very early into SC2 and it's a damn shame that something this stupid is happening. On the other hand they did pay for the game and therefore paid for the same rights to clan names as everyone else. You can't just purge people because they can't play for two months. I guess many people here don't understand how life can get you busy and sometimes you have to put the game down to manage real situations. Then they come back 3 months late to blizzard saying hey we killed you shitty clan cause a bunch of people have an sc2 team with the same name! You aren't more entitled then other paying customers. There are plenty of casuals that want their own clan and it's something everyone will have to live with. I think the people angry here are being nothing more then bullies with pitchforks. Sorry you think they everyone who causes you problems are trolls, but if you aren't Flash most of these people with clan names probably haven't even heard of you regardless of the effort you put into competitive gaming. When life gives you problems create your own solution instead of blaming it on blizzard again.
This. SO HARD. If you don't have the tag you want, be creative. Otherwise, shut up.
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On June 10 2013 14:13 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 13:53 Comogury wrote: The current owner of that tag is being a prick. What's the fucking point in making your clan private and unsearchable? Sounds like some introverted asshole's sense of entitlement is stripping an actual organization of an opportunity to make themselves look more professional. Same goes for the guy who is holding the fnatic tag. It shouldn't have been a god damn race to see who can get a clan tag first. A quick fix in this situation would be Blizzard allowing clan tags to ignore duplicates if they aren't the same capitalization.
However, they should really look purging inactive clans. If you really, really cared about a clan and wanted to see it flourish, you wouldn't let it die by going inactive yourself. LaG has been around and active in NA since very early into SC2 and it's a damn shame that something this stupid is happening. On the other hand they did pay for the game and therefore paid for the same rights to clan names as everyone else. You can't just purge people because they can't play for two months. I guess many people here don't understand how life can get you busy and sometimes you have to put the game down to manage real situations. Then they come back 3 months late to blizzard saying hey we killed you shitty clan cause a bunch of people have an sc2 team with the same name! You aren't more entitled then other paying customers. There are plenty of casuals that want their own clan and it's something everyone will have to live with. I think the people angry here are being nothing more then bullies with pitchforks. Sorry you think they everyone who causes you problems are trolls, but if you aren't Flash most of these people with clan names probably haven't even heard of you regardless of the effort you put into competitive gaming. When life gives you problems create your own solution instead of blaming it on blizzard again.
I'm not going to debate the rights players have towards the game. Obviously, both players paid the equal amount (most likely). I'm also not going to argue that life can keep people busy. There are those who do 12-20 credits in college while maintaining jobs to get by. Those scenarios should be acknowledged by default. However, your ability to remain active/non-active shouldn't affect everyone else's experiences as a whole. I'm sure /the legit/ LaG team isn't the only ones with their eyes on that tag. Thus, it shouldn't be first come first served. Maybe they had the chance to buy the game before the other person who wanted the tag? If both paid the same amount for the game + expansion, but the one who did first is no longer able to log in for reasons beyond his control, shouldn't someone else have the chance to then claim that tag and be able to see how long he can hold onto it?
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Honestly there's no way of changing this. They paid for the game just like you did and they have just as much of a right to a clan tag as you think you have. Sure it would kind of suck to see someone like Suppy or whatever with (EvG) if someone had taken the tag, but shit, that's just tough nuts I guess. Just because it's inconvenient for your organization doesn't mean it diminishes the interest of the common player.
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On June 10 2013 14:13 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 13:53 Comogury wrote: The current owner of that tag is being a prick. What's the fucking point in making your clan private and unsearchable? Sounds like some introverted asshole's sense of entitlement is stripping an actual organization of an opportunity to make themselves look more professional. Same goes for the guy who is holding the fnatic tag. It shouldn't have been a god damn race to see who can get a clan tag first. A quick fix in this situation would be Blizzard allowing clan tags to ignore duplicates if they aren't the same capitalization.
However, they should really look purging inactive clans. If you really, really cared about a clan and wanted to see it flourish, you wouldn't let it die by going inactive yourself. LaG has been around and active in NA since very early into SC2 and it's a damn shame that something this stupid is happening. On the other hand they did pay for the game and therefore paid for the same rights to clan names as everyone else. You can't just purge people because they can't play for two months. I guess many people here don't understand how life can get you busy and sometimes you have to put the game down to manage real situations. Then they come back 3 months late to blizzard saying hey we killed you shitty clan cause a bunch of people have an sc2 team with the same name! You aren't more entitled then other paying customers. There are plenty of casuals that want their own clan and it's something everyone will have to live with. I think the people angry here are being nothing more then bullies with pitchforks. Sorry you think they everyone who causes you problems are trolls, but if you aren't Flash most of these people with clan names probably haven't even heard of you regardless of the effort you put into competitive gaming. When life gives you problems create your own solution instead of blaming it on blizzard again.
QFT, I agree. At the same time though I could see a 3 month inactivity being reasonable (like war3 account names), except if nobody in their clan logged in within the 3 month period only then would it be removed. It sucked when my aka "Fear" with over 7k games played went inactive, but by then I had long quit the game and it wasn't a huge deal to me. I think most people who take breaks from games or go on long vacations wouldn't need over 3 months. If they did come back after 3 months, I am pretty sure they're casual enough that they wouldn't miss their old tag too much. Either way I wouldn't personally look down on your members for sporting lLAGl or some slightly altered tag versus LAG. Like sure LAG is cleaner and all, but people can read between the lines (no pun intended) and figure out it wasn't exactly your fault.
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On June 10 2013 14:28 TheFear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 14:13 BisuDagger wrote:On June 10 2013 13:53 Comogury wrote: The current owner of that tag is being a prick. What's the fucking point in making your clan private and unsearchable? Sounds like some introverted asshole's sense of entitlement is stripping an actual organization of an opportunity to make themselves look more professional. Same goes for the guy who is holding the fnatic tag. It shouldn't have been a god damn race to see who can get a clan tag first. A quick fix in this situation would be Blizzard allowing clan tags to ignore duplicates if they aren't the same capitalization.
However, they should really look purging inactive clans. If you really, really cared about a clan and wanted to see it flourish, you wouldn't let it die by going inactive yourself. LaG has been around and active in NA since very early into SC2 and it's a damn shame that something this stupid is happening. On the other hand they did pay for the game and therefore paid for the same rights to clan names as everyone else. You can't just purge people because they can't play for two months. I guess many people here don't understand how life can get you busy and sometimes you have to put the game down to manage real situations. Then they come back 3 months late to blizzard saying hey we killed you shitty clan cause a bunch of people have an sc2 team with the same name! You aren't more entitled then other paying customers. There are plenty of casuals that want their own clan and it's something everyone will have to live with. I think the people angry here are being nothing more then bullies with pitchforks. Sorry you think they everyone who causes you problems are trolls, but if you aren't Flash most of these people with clan names probably haven't even heard of you regardless of the effort you put into competitive gaming. When life gives you problems create your own solution instead of blaming it on blizzard again. QFT, I agree. At the same time though I could see a 3 month inactivity being reasonable (like war3 account names), except if nobody in their clan logged in within the 3 month period only then would it be removed. It sucked when my aka "Fear" with over 7k games played went inactive, but by then I had long quit the game and it wasn't a huge deal to me. I think most people who take breaks from games or go on long vacations wouldn't need over 3 months. If they did come back after 3 months, I am pretty sure they're casual enough that they wouldn't miss their old tag too much. Either way I wouldn't personally look down on your members for sporting lLAGl or some slightly altered tag versus LAG. Like sure LAG is cleaner and all, but people can read between the lines (no pun intended) and figure out it wasn't exactly your fault. Without even going outside my own personal experience, I can say I took a 6 month hiatus from hardcore raiding in WoW and came back as hardcore as ever. Just a rebuttal to that particular point. Long breaks aren't unheard of (for school, life, work, etc).
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On June 10 2013 14:31 Mortal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 14:28 TheFear wrote:On June 10 2013 14:13 BisuDagger wrote:On June 10 2013 13:53 Comogury wrote: The current owner of that tag is being a prick. What's the fucking point in making your clan private and unsearchable? Sounds like some introverted asshole's sense of entitlement is stripping an actual organization of an opportunity to make themselves look more professional. Same goes for the guy who is holding the fnatic tag. It shouldn't have been a god damn race to see who can get a clan tag first. A quick fix in this situation would be Blizzard allowing clan tags to ignore duplicates if they aren't the same capitalization.
However, they should really look purging inactive clans. If you really, really cared about a clan and wanted to see it flourish, you wouldn't let it die by going inactive yourself. LaG has been around and active in NA since very early into SC2 and it's a damn shame that something this stupid is happening. On the other hand they did pay for the game and therefore paid for the same rights to clan names as everyone else. You can't just purge people because they can't play for two months. I guess many people here don't understand how life can get you busy and sometimes you have to put the game down to manage real situations. Then they come back 3 months late to blizzard saying hey we killed you shitty clan cause a bunch of people have an sc2 team with the same name! You aren't more entitled then other paying customers. There are plenty of casuals that want their own clan and it's something everyone will have to live with. I think the people angry here are being nothing more then bullies with pitchforks. Sorry you think they everyone who causes you problems are trolls, but if you aren't Flash most of these people with clan names probably haven't even heard of you regardless of the effort you put into competitive gaming. When life gives you problems create your own solution instead of blaming it on blizzard again. QFT, I agree. At the same time though I could see a 3 month inactivity being reasonable (like war3 account names), except if nobody in their clan logged in within the 3 month period only then would it be removed. It sucked when my aka "Fear" with over 7k games played went inactive, but by then I had long quit the game and it wasn't a huge deal to me. I think most people who take breaks from games or go on long vacations wouldn't need over 3 months. If they did come back after 3 months, I am pretty sure they're casual enough that they wouldn't miss their old tag too much. Either way I wouldn't personally look down on your members for sporting lLAGl or some slightly altered tag versus LAG. Like sure LAG is cleaner and all, but people can read between the lines (no pun intended) and figure out it wasn't exactly your fault. Without even going outside my own personal experience, I can say I took a 6 month hiatus from hardcore raiding in WoW and came back as hardcore as ever. Just a rebuttal to that particular point. Long breaks aren't unheard of (for school, life, work, etc). This happens to me a ton for a variety of games. Sometimes shit just gets in the way.
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Sorry about your lag tag brah... I'd pick a new tag. Maybe like LAGGG or LAAAAGGGG or LAAAAAAAGGGG or some other variation. If you want ideas pm me.
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Without even going outside my own personal experience, I can say I took a 6 month hiatus from hardcore raiding in WoW and came back as hardcore as ever. Just a rebuttal to that particular point. Long breaks aren't unheard of (for school, life, work, etc).
Yes, but if the clan still matters to anyone in your raiding group (including the leader) it will still exist when you get back. You'd only come back to losing your tag if you and every other clan member took the same 6 month hiatus simultaneously. That's why it would only kick in if everyone abandoned ship for over 3 months hypothetically speaking. I think you may have a higher chance of winning the Powerball than 20 nerds all quitting a game they intended to go back to down the line for over 3 months. (lol.) Also it doesn't take more than a minute to log in and keep it "active", so if you really cared at all you'd probably just take a moment once in those three months to make sure it's still there.
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On June 10 2013 14:13 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 13:53 Comogury wrote: The current owner of that tag is being a prick. What's the fucking point in making your clan private and unsearchable? Sounds like some introverted asshole's sense of entitlement is stripping an actual organization of an opportunity to make themselves look more professional. Same goes for the guy who is holding the fnatic tag. It shouldn't have been a god damn race to see who can get a clan tag first. A quick fix in this situation would be Blizzard allowing clan tags to ignore duplicates if they aren't the same capitalization.
However, they should really look purging inactive clans. If you really, really cared about a clan and wanted to see it flourish, you wouldn't let it die by going inactive yourself. LaG has been around and active in NA since very early into SC2 and it's a damn shame that something this stupid is happening. On the other hand they did pay for the game and therefore paid for the same rights to clan names as everyone else. You can't just purge people because they can't play for two months. I guess many people here don't understand how life can get you busy and sometimes you have to put the game down to manage real situations. Then they come back 3 months late to blizzard saying hey we killed you shitty clan cause a bunch of people have an sc2 team with the same name! You aren't more entitled then other paying customers. There are plenty of casuals that want their own clan and it's something everyone will have to live with. I think the people angry here are being nothing more then bullies with pitchforks. Sorry you think they everyone who causes you problems are trolls, but if you aren't Flash most of these people with clan names probably haven't even heard of you regardless of the effort you put into competitive gaming. When life gives you problems create your own solution instead of blaming it on blizzard again. So basically you are telling them to bend over and take it in the ass? They've tried talking to the asshole as well as Blizzard and nothing new is going to happen. The guy is going to keep ignoring LaG and Blizzard will most likely do nothing. They have dealt with it by using a different tag, and now they bring up a legitimate problem with the clan system that could have been avoided given Blizzard had any foresight (you know, with thousands of people playing their game).
If you're the owner of a clan and come back 3 months later after being inactive with presumably no contact to anyone inside the game, do you really expect anyone to be around when you come back? I've been in this situation before in other games. I join a clan and all of a sudden my recruiter and other officers go inactive one by one. What the hell am I going to do besides leave? Even if I was able to recruit others, my next problem is keeping people in the clan. It's very discouraging when you join a clan and find out that the owner is nowhere to be seen in the past few months.
However, in LaG's case, the person who made the clan tag is apparently the only person in this Lag Shack clan anyway, as is the case with fnatic's clan tag. So yes, these people have become trolls.
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On June 10 2013 04:26 FT.aCt)Sony wrote: Look back in Brood War times for example, they had a inactive account policy that after x amount of time it would be deleted or if you didnt have/get x amount of games in x amount of time the account was to be deleted.
I have touched brood war since 2008 roughly (other than some random 1;1 games out of boredom once a year on a fake account), but yet my main accounts are still active after 3 years.
The reason I say this, is because Blizzard has always said one thing but yet doesnt really follow through on it to the fullest extent.
Honestly, I think if you actually got a huge following with a backing on this IE TL/Reddit maybe a petition online they potentially may implement some changes to it.
as far as i remember in broodwar your acc wasnt going to go deleted if no one request it, so if you not log in 1 year etc and someone wanna make acc with ur name he can and your acc instnat delete, as long no one wanna make an account with your name he could still be reused by you by just log in even 4 years after it
jaeh bnet2.0 needs inactive clans to be deleted but ALSO we need the possibility to haved MORE clans with same TAG ... its so stupid i mean in broodwar there was also 3 iG teams etc ... its just that only having so few letters and no symbols sucks, it would be nice allowing symbols so that there could be iG. [iG] (iG) etc ...
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You really should be expecting something like this to happen if you're using a very commonly used three-letter word as your clan tag. Just use LaGG or something, not like most people will care
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On June 10 2013 14:13 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 13:53 Comogury wrote: The current owner of that tag is being a prick. What's the fucking point in making your clan private and unsearchable? Sounds like some introverted asshole's sense of entitlement is stripping an actual organization of an opportunity to make themselves look more professional. Same goes for the guy who is holding the fnatic tag. It shouldn't have been a god damn race to see who can get a clan tag first. A quick fix in this situation would be Blizzard allowing clan tags to ignore duplicates if they aren't the same capitalization.
However, they should really look purging inactive clans. If you really, really cared about a clan and wanted to see it flourish, you wouldn't let it die by going inactive yourself. LaG has been around and active in NA since very early into SC2 and it's a damn shame that something this stupid is happening. On the other hand they did pay for the game and therefore paid for the same rights to clan names as everyone else. You can't just purge people because they can't play for two months. I guess many people here don't understand how life can get you busy and sometimes you have to put the game down to manage real situations. Then they come back 3 months late to blizzard saying hey we killed you shitty clan cause a bunch of people have an sc2 team with the same name! You aren't more entitled then other paying customers. There are plenty of casuals that want their own clan and it's something everyone will have to live with. I think the people angry here are being nothing more then bullies with pitchforks. Sorry you think they everyone who causes you problems are trolls, but if you aren't Flash most of these people with clan names probably haven't even heard of you regardless of the effort you put into competitive gaming. When life gives you problems create your own solution instead of blaming it on blizzard again. Sometimes I read threads just to see BisuDagger's posts
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actually like some1 mentioned before , wc3 the team had to be active or it would get close, it gives u a warning that for inactivity it will close ur team, so u had the chance to tell ur friends to get active. Also i liked how u need atleast i think 10 ppl to create a team on wc3 so no randoms would grab names
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Get that sponsorship you are looking for and change the tag to LaGxx, where xx is the sponsor. Problem solved! :-)
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Clan maybe could be up for grabs if it was inactive for a ladder season? Maybe something like that.
But anyway OP, it's not that it will make you look slow, you actually were slow -_-
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I didn't read all the thread, so excuse me if the OP went over this.
But why can't you just changed your name? You said you have no sponsorships and I doubt anyone worthwhile knows about you. What is the harm in changing your name so you can get a better clan tag?
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On June 10 2013 07:23 FunkyLich wrote: Since April 30th? Roughly 2 months? Try roughly ONE. A system for cancelling inactive tags is just stupid. Personally, I don't play this game that often, so I'm liable to stop for as long as year and come back. What if I got a clan tag with my friends, and when I came back it got revoked without me knowing? I'd be kinda pissed. Plus you get 6 alphanumeric characters in your clan tag. 6^36. Do the math. There's always gonna be another clan tag for you to pick.
My point is, don't come to TL and whine about how this guy apparently has a life (leaving a game for a little over a month, probably engaging in terrible debauchery), and how bad you deserve this. And my favorite:
" We want to have a very professional tag like LaG and not lLaGl because it makes us look slow and not fast enough to pick up that name. "
Well guess what you were too slow. Somebody else got it first. And it's rightfully theirs. Honestly, I now understand why this guy ignored you on bnet.
Now for the advice, if you've made it this far: It sounds like there is already a system in place to transfer tags. If this tag is that important to you, make him an offer. You know, wave some $$$ in his face. Since he's ignored you, try to get a hold of one of his contacts and explain the situation. If he still ignores you, it's because he's read this thread, and is now witholding the tag to spite you.
If a team like EG or TL had this happen to them, they would do just that. They would find the person with the tag, treat them with a tremendous amount of respect, and make a generous offer. Basically, if you want to be professional, stop whining like a bitch and let the money do the talking.
Except that EG or TL aren't going to go inactive for several months. You're lucky enough that players are allowed multiple copies of one name, otherwise we'd have an even bigger issue with name squatting. Life or no life you don't own the rights to a name when you aren't even playing.
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On June 10 2013 10:20 Megaliskuu wrote:inb4 50 different EG's, its a terrible idea lol Why? Names aren't unique. You can always pretend to be in EG by just adding the tag in your nickname. The only downside would be that when you search for a clan, you get multiple choices. But the system could order them by quality of the players. Anyway, I am not saying it is perfect. But the current system is far from perfect as well.
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On June 10 2013 13:27 Xonix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 13:25 Shin_Gouki wrote:On June 10 2013 13:21 Xonix wrote:On June 10 2013 13:20 Shin_Gouki wrote:On June 10 2013 09:06 Cinim wrote:On June 10 2013 09:01 Windows 7 wrote:That is quite stupid, nobody will remember logging in for 3 minutes just to keep a clan tag, unless as the previous one said someone intends to bother somebody. If they can't be bothered to log on to actually use the tag, why should they be entitled to it? It doesn't have to be three minutes a day, the specifics are arbitrary. There should be some sort of practice, though. Having clans expire due to inactivity will have far more negative impacts than positive ones. What are the negative impacts here? You forget that these clans also have a lot of members, and they will be dissolved if you choose to abandon a clan. Also, some clans are quite small, and just because you have a break from the game does not make them any less entitled to keep that tag, maybe they have used it for ages as well. TaG isn't pro, so it doesn't serve the community anything to give them their tag, unless the other clan which is holding their tag is simply a troll. That is the reason why blizzard most likely reserved tags for the pro teams, because it has benefits for the community and eSports, while an amateur team having their tag does not. Also, you could have used the tag on battlenet for two years(eventually) and then because you're not on for a short time, you lose it. It's simply not worth the time for blizzard to make these changes, even if it's a simple one. >If you abandon a clan If you abandon the clan, you shouldn't deserve to be the owner anyway. What kind of counter logic is that? If a player cannot remain active and doesn't bother to at least log in to check on his beloved clan, then he shouldn't be able to keep it. You also shouldn't have to pay money to the person currently owning it (as another poster recommended). That's beyond stupid as far as I'm concerned. Actually if we had contact with him, we would definitely be willing to pay money.... It's great and all you're willing to pay, but that still shouldn't be necessary. Idk I just want the tag back. Do I really want my players to represent us at MLG Anaheim with lLaGl? Was it ever yours in the first place?
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On June 10 2013 14:36 TheFear wrote:Show nested quote +Without even going outside my own personal experience, I can say I took a 6 month hiatus from hardcore raiding in WoW and came back as hardcore as ever. Just a rebuttal to that particular point. Long breaks aren't unheard of (for school, life, work, etc). Yes, but if the clan still matters to anyone in your raiding group (including the leader) it will still exist when you get back. You'd only come back to losing your tag if you and every other clan member took the same 6 month hiatus simultaneously. That's why it would only kick in if everyone abandoned ship for over 3 months hypothetically speaking. I think you may have a higher chance of winning the Powerball than 20 nerds all quitting a game they intended to go back to down the line for over 3 months. (lol.) Also it doesn't take more than a minute to log in and keep it "active", so if you really cared at all you'd probably just take a moment once in those three months to make sure it's still there.
This.
While an individual may go inactive for several months and then return to play regularly again (done it myself several times), it seems highly unlikely that an entire clan would all stop playing for a long period of time and then suddenly return and resume operations.
Besides, if Blizzard introduces a rule such as "if no member of the clan logs in for a 3 month period, the clan-tag becomes free to claim", they would announce it publicly and anyone caring for their clan, while going on a 3+ month hiatus together with all their clan-mates (again, consider how incredibly unlikely this is), they know that they have to log in every now and then.
Hell, the system could be setup in such a way that the clan isn't auto-dissolved, but the name becomes available and if someone else claims the name, the folks that previously had it get a popup to pick a new name when they log in again, but with the clan itself remaining intact. And if noone claims the name, nothing happens.
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On June 10 2013 19:55 Rannasha wrote:
This.
While an individual may go inactive for several months and then return to play regularly again (done it myself several times), it seems highly unlikely that an entire clan would all stop playing for a long period of time and then suddenly return and resume operations.
Besides, if Blizzard introduces a rule such as "if no member of the clan logs in for a 3 month period, the clan-tag becomes free to claim", they would announce it publicly and anyone caring for their clan, while going on a 3+ month hiatus together with all their clan-mates (again, consider how incredibly unlikely this is), they know that they have to log in every now and then.
Hell, the system could be setup in such a way that the clan isn't auto-dissolved, but the name becomes available and if someone else claims the name, the folks that previously had it get a popup to pick a new name when they log in again, but with the clan itself remaining intact. And if noone claims the name, nothing happens.
I definitely agree with this, although I'd make it that if you go two complete seasons without logging in then then the clan name becomes available.
Though Blizzard should also send you an email a few weeks before the expiry date.
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On June 10 2013 19:55 Rannasha wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 14:36 TheFear wrote:Without even going outside my own personal experience, I can say I took a 6 month hiatus from hardcore raiding in WoW and came back as hardcore as ever. Just a rebuttal to that particular point. Long breaks aren't unheard of (for school, life, work, etc). Yes, but if the clan still matters to anyone in your raiding group (including the leader) it will still exist when you get back. You'd only come back to losing your tag if you and every other clan member took the same 6 month hiatus simultaneously. That's why it would only kick in if everyone abandoned ship for over 3 months hypothetically speaking. I think you may have a higher chance of winning the Powerball than 20 nerds all quitting a game they intended to go back to down the line for over 3 months. (lol.) Also it doesn't take more than a minute to log in and keep it "active", so if you really cared at all you'd probably just take a moment once in those three months to make sure it's still there. This. While an individual may go inactive for several months and then return to play regularly again (done it myself several times), it seems highly unlikely that an entire clan would all stop playing for a long period of time and then suddenly return and resume operations. Besides, if Blizzard introduces a rule such as "if no member of the clan logs in for a 3 month period, the clan-tag becomes free to claim", they would announce it publicly and anyone caring for their clan, while going on a 3+ month hiatus together with all their clan-mates (again, consider how incredibly unlikely this is), they know that they have to log in every now and then. Hell, the system could be setup in such a way that the clan isn't auto-dissolved, but the name becomes available and if someone else claims the name, the folks that previously had it get a popup to pick a new name when they log in again, but with the clan itself remaining intact. And if noone claims the name, nothing happens.
League of Legends has a similar system with normal names. Inactive accounts get free name changes and their names are thrown back into the market to be claimed. It's a good system.
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Well maybe the guy that has Lag tag was in an accident, broke both his hands and cant log in the game. Maybe he is preparing for exams and doesn't have time to play. He has the same rights as you to a tag.Just because you were slow and didn't care at the time to take the tag, why should he care? And like everything in this world, you can always make the man an offer he can't refuse if you realllllly want the tag.
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When I was playing WoW and there was a name taken by a character that has been inactive for some time you could contact a GM to free it up for you. Ever tried that?
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First world problems, right here. It's just a tag, for all you know the person who has it has had the 'LaG' tag for years throughout multiple games and has just as much claim to it as you.
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Why don't you come up with a more original clan name...? Maybe that'd solve your problem?
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On June 10 2013 22:28 SupLilSon wrote: Why don't you come up with a more original clan name...? Maybe that'd solve your problem? http://www.mys4c.com/clans/lag/page_portal.php?page_id=23 Theres our history if you would like to read up on it. Last thing we will ever do is change our teams name
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After a four month break team owner “Lizard” once again opened the doors of Latest and Greatest GaminG in June of 2012.
So you're pushing to remove the clan tag from someone who has been inactive for 2 months, yet the link above says your clan had a four month inactive period?
Do you see where I'm going with this?
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Inactive 2 months? That's way too short to make someone lose their clan tag.
Maybe after a year.
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On June 10 2013 21:16 rd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 19:55 Rannasha wrote:On June 10 2013 14:36 TheFear wrote:Without even going outside my own personal experience, I can say I took a 6 month hiatus from hardcore raiding in WoW and came back as hardcore as ever. Just a rebuttal to that particular point. Long breaks aren't unheard of (for school, life, work, etc). Yes, but if the clan still matters to anyone in your raiding group (including the leader) it will still exist when you get back. You'd only come back to losing your tag if you and every other clan member took the same 6 month hiatus simultaneously. That's why it would only kick in if everyone abandoned ship for over 3 months hypothetically speaking. I think you may have a higher chance of winning the Powerball than 20 nerds all quitting a game they intended to go back to down the line for over 3 months. (lol.) Also it doesn't take more than a minute to log in and keep it "active", so if you really cared at all you'd probably just take a moment once in those three months to make sure it's still there. This. While an individual may go inactive for several months and then return to play regularly again (done it myself several times), it seems highly unlikely that an entire clan would all stop playing for a long period of time and then suddenly return and resume operations. Besides, if Blizzard introduces a rule such as "if no member of the clan logs in for a 3 month period, the clan-tag becomes free to claim", they would announce it publicly and anyone caring for their clan, while going on a 3+ month hiatus together with all their clan-mates (again, consider how incredibly unlikely this is), they know that they have to log in every now and then. Hell, the system could be setup in such a way that the clan isn't auto-dissolved, but the name becomes available and if someone else claims the name, the folks that previously had it get a popup to pick a new name when they log in again, but with the clan itself remaining intact. And if noone claims the name, nothing happens. League of Legends has a similar system with normal names. Inactive accounts get free name changes and their names are thrown back into the market to be claimed. It's a good system.
My name just got thrown back in TT
On June 10 2013 22:57 Figgy wrote: Inactive 2 months? That's way too short to make someone lose their clan tag.
Maybe after a year.
Yeah, if they do implement this I think a year would be a good amount of time.
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I managed to get the clan tag SKTT1 on Europe, was rather proud of that
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If I have vanity license plates on my car but I never drive, I won't have them revoked cus some other guy also wanted the same plates. Why should this be different? Neither you nor anyone else is entitled to any specific nameb if you missed it, well tough luck. It's not important, anyway - I honestly can't imagine sponsors not contacting you because omygosh your bnet clan tag is -LaG- instead of LaG.
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It sounds extremely childish. Just think of something else because it is not fair that someone must lose his clantag because you wanted it. You could have been faster knowing that lag is going to get picked superfast in a server of a videogame.
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You were late. Deal with it. That guy has as much right as you to that clan tag.
As other people have said, offer him some money if you really want the tag that badly. We are not your personal army.
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On June 11 2013 00:08 vNmMasterT wrote: You were late. Deal with it. That guy has as much right as you to that clan tag.
As other people have said, offer him some money if you really want the tag that badly. We are not your personal army.
pretty much this.
You cant have something back, if you never owned it.
IDK whole thread seems silly, basically you are trying to say you have a right to own this clan tag, because of your amateur team's history...which isnt the case.
also ur concern/worry about sponsor's caring about your clan tag seems pretty silly... if you are having issues getting sponsors... more likely its because they lack interest at all, not because they dislike your clan tag.
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Although I do feel in this case, just because someone else has "your" tag, which you had given up, you shouldn't instantly get your tag just because the other guy has been inactive, even you guys were inactive for a period. What if you had come back to your clan tag being taken when there was no system in place that would of let you know beforehand that if you guys were inactive for X length of time it would become free game.
I do feel that there should be a system where if all members of a clan are inactive for 6~12 months, or maybe 2 seasons? idk, than the tag should be thrown back into the pool for a more active group to use.
EDIT: Not going to change my post, but I had thought they had LaG then went to TLaG. Orz oops.
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This would be nice. I suppose if a clan was inactive for an entire season I see no right for them to keep their clan tag, especially if another active clan would want it.
But then again it is first come, first served and if you really wanted that clan tag then you should have been the first one to get it in the first place.
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There are three points to be made here, and not all of them are original.
First, casuals want clans too. Your off-hand proposal would eliminate the clan me and my friends owns because we meet once every few months to play team games, and other fun stuff. We generally don't play unless we are all in the same room together. We're old, but we would still like to keep our clan name. So, think of a better solution.
Second, why don't you name yourself Super Team Illustrious Marines [STIM] or whatever pleases you? As you're not known in SC2, why cannot you choose another name?
Third, you kinda' are known in SC2 now. You're the clan that was too slow to register their clan name. I'm sure this notoriety will bring you great fame and sponsors in the future.
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On June 10 2013 14:13 BisuDagger wrote: When life gives you problems create your own solution instead of blaming it on blizzard again.
This is so counter intuitive. Can't wrap my head around this concept.
But anyway, if you're a professional team. I find it much more professional to have your clan tag in your ID anyway... why not do this?
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We want to have a very professional tag like LaG and not lLaGl because it makes us look slow and not fast enough to pick up that name.
This made me laugh a little Because of you clan name... you're not fast enough... Not surprising with that name... get it ? no ? oh ok...
But anyway... I think Blizzard should make your name back because you have proof that you are a legit gaming organization. But for the inactive thing... I don't know... Maybe but defintly not over a period of time. In Wow there is no "inactive guild" thing and there is pro teams in WoW. And same thing apply to website (hi microsoft !). It's a pain in the ass to get something back like this.
I just think that you can take it back if you adress to blizzard with every proof you have. Seeds for MLG, Website, roster etc...
Maybe contacting a personality that can talk to blizzard about this. A reporter ? Try to look for people that will have talk with blizzard in the future.
But as someone said early. Have your clan name in your ID name.
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Roughly 2 months inactive.(
2 months is not that long to be honest. I wouldn't want to lose my clan tag for not playing SC2 for 2 months. It's just silly. At least half a year is more reasonable.
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This has also happened with Pulse Esports on the EU server. There is 1 person in the clan that hasnt played a game in a long long time.
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This is a great idea, i'm sure everyone who reads this post will think the same as well.
Unfortunately, blizzard has shown in WoW, D3, and SC2 that even simple updates take FOREVER. They also have this weird idea that it's wrong to make small updates individually. So, chances are they're going to wait until the next huge patch, which will then be more and more months away.
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You have no more right to the clan tag than anyone else, and since they were first, and that's all that matters, it's theirs. You actually had it reported several times ? WTF is that ? Sorry, the world doesn't revolve around you, better to find out over something small like this, I suppose. Perhaps you are be creative enough to find a different suitable clan tag.
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On June 10 2013 04:26 FT.aCt)Sony wrote: Look back in Brood War times for example, they had a inactive account policy that after x amount of time it would be deleted or if you didnt have/get x amount of games in x amount of time the account was to be deleted.
I have touched brood war since 2008 roughly (other than some random 1;1 games out of boredom once a year on a fake account), but yet my main accounts are still active after 3 years.
The reason I say this, is because Blizzard has always said one thing but yet doesnt really follow through on it to the fullest extent.
Honestly, I think if you actually got a huge following with a backing on this IE TL/Reddit maybe a petition online they potentially may implement some changes to it.
I think old "deleted" bnet accounts/characters weren't erased until someone else requested the name
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Inactive clans should maybe lose their tag, but not until after 6 months to a year
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Well, I think there would be an relative easy solution. I think blizzard should implement a system, that only let u create a clan with lets say at least 5 persons. That would solve a lot of thinks: 1. There would be no Clan Tag stealer/ One man Army Clan dudes 2. It would make clans = CLANS, meaning of teams equal to a bunch of persons, not only 1 or 2 ;D
For the existing clans I would recommend, to disband every 1 man clans AND if a clan has like 2-3 guys and lets say a clan with 3 member loses 2 member except the clan owner, it will automatically disband the clan, since there is only one person left =/= clan Thats my opinion
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On June 11 2013 01:02 AndaGalant wrote:Well, I think there would be an relative easy solution. I think blizzard should implement a system, that only let u create a clan with lets say at least 5 persons. That would solve a lot of thinks: 1. There would be no Clan Tag stealer/ One man Army Clan dudes 2. It would make clans = CLANS, meaning of teams equal to a bunch of persons, not only 1 or 2 ;D For the existing clans I would recommend, to disband every 1 man clans AND if a clan has like 2-3 guys and lets say a clan with 3 member loses 2 member except the clan owner, it will automatically disband the clan, since there is only one person left =/= clan Thats my opinion I don't think there should be a requirement on the amount of people that would be needed. Like, what is wrong with One man army clans, or just a pair of friends that wanted to be in a clan? If a 1MA wants a clan that he self represents, let him. Hell, isn't Grubby in a 1MA with [Grubby]?
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On June 11 2013 01:42 AwM wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 01:02 AndaGalant wrote:Well, I think there would be an relative easy solution. I think blizzard should implement a system, that only let u create a clan with lets say at least 5 persons. That would solve a lot of thinks: 1. There would be no Clan Tag stealer/ One man Army Clan dudes 2. It would make clans = CLANS, meaning of teams equal to a bunch of persons, not only 1 or 2 ;D For the existing clans I would recommend, to disband every 1 man clans AND if a clan has like 2-3 guys and lets say a clan with 3 member loses 2 member except the clan owner, it will automatically disband the clan, since there is only one person left =/= clan Thats my opinion I don't think there should be a requirement on the amount of people that would be needed. Like, what is wrong with One man army clans, or just a pair of friends that wanted to be in a clan? If a 1MA wants a clan that he self represents, let him. Hell, isn't Grubby in a 1MA with [Grubby]?
Yea, Grubby is a pro, what do u say about 1MA Bronzees? Could u please define the word clan for me, i dont think that ONE person = clan, but dunno.
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On June 11 2013 00:19 MaestroSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 00:08 vNmMasterT wrote: You were late. Deal with it. That guy has as much right as you to that clan tag.
As other people have said, offer him some money if you really want the tag that badly. We are not your personal army. pretty much this. You cant have something back, if you never owned it. IDK whole thread seems silly, basically you are trying to say you have a right to own this clan tag, because of your amateur team's history...which isnt the case. also ur concern/worry about sponsor's caring about your clan tag seems pretty silly... if you are having issues getting sponsors... more likely its because they lack interest at all, not because they dislike your clan tag. That doesn't have anything to do with the thread at all. The problem here isn't whether or not organizations are entitled to the tags, but rather are people who are inactive have the right to keep a clan tag. Would you still be oft he same opinion if the same guy, by himself, sat on the tag for another 2 months? What if he sat on it for a year?
Like someone on fnatic said, the person who made the actual fnatic tag hasn't played a game since HotS came out and seemingly doesn't have any ties to the team.
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Does he still deserve it more than the actual pro and known organization?
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None of your members could be bothered to try to register the clan name as soon as clan names were available?
How many members do you have? and none of them could do it?
When I had to make my custom map name in SC2 WoL release date, I purposely went to midnight launch, got the game, drove back and installed ASAP
first thing i do? upload the custom map to register the map names that I wanted at like few minutes after midnight of the launch
If clan name was so important to your clan, why could none of your members be diligent enough to try to get the name ASAP?
Like another poster also showed, your LAG clan was inactive for 4 months....so....he is gone for 1 month, and now you want to take his clan name
Just sayin'
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On June 11 2013 01:58 theman1213 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 01:42 AwM wrote:On June 11 2013 01:02 AndaGalant wrote:Well, I think there would be an relative easy solution. I think blizzard should implement a system, that only let u create a clan with lets say at least 5 persons. That would solve a lot of thinks: 1. There would be no Clan Tag stealer/ One man Army Clan dudes 2. It would make clans = CLANS, meaning of teams equal to a bunch of persons, not only 1 or 2 ;D For the existing clans I would recommend, to disband every 1 man clans AND if a clan has like 2-3 guys and lets say a clan with 3 member loses 2 member except the clan owner, it will automatically disband the clan, since there is only one person left =/= clan Thats my opinion I don't think there should be a requirement on the amount of people that would be needed. Like, what is wrong with One man army clans, or just a pair of friends that wanted to be in a clan? If a 1MA wants a clan that he self represents, let him. Hell, isn't Grubby in a 1MA with [Grubby]? Yea, Grubby is a pro, what do u say about 1MA Bronzees? Could u please define the word clan for me, i dont think that ONE person = clan, but dunno. Why should a pro be more privileged than a bronze when it comes to clans? Odds are if he is a bronze he won't be taking any super serious clan tags anyways. There could be a restriction on creating a clan, like, being the owner to at least silver if you were trying to prevent 1MA bronzes. And with the definition of clan, it is a large group of people. (I checked to make sure large was in there.) I don't know any game like where you have to have X amount of people in a clan. I was actually thinking of leaving my current clan since it's no longer active and making a 1MA tag as a joke with my name. I just feel that 5 people would be too restrictive.
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It appears like you missed a word here, so not entirely sure what you were intending to say, but take for instance WoW where you were required to have several people sign a charter to start a guild (not sure if this is still in place). Many other MMORPGs if not requiring multiple people, may require a sum of money to start the guild, which generally speaking if all players are new and the game was fresh, would require several players pooling their available money together in order to start the guild. I think requiring multiple people could be a necessary condition to create a clan, but not a requirement to keep the clan active (if I have a clan and we have a big falling out, I may want to keep the name but attempt to rebuild the clan from scratch).
I don't mind the idea of clan tags being relinquished, but only if were an appropriate amount of time to assume players were not coming back or don't care enough to keep the tag (for instance someone from the clan must login at least once every 3 months to keep the tag, otherwise it would be considered inactive and the name/tag would be free to use).
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On June 11 2013 05:36 Battleaxe wrote: It appears like you missed a word here, so not entirely sure what you were intending to say, but take for instance WoW where you were required to have several people sign a charter to start a guild (not sure if this is still in place). Many other MMORPGs if not requiring multiple people, may require a sum of money to start the guild, which generally speaking if all players are new and the game was fresh, would require several players pooling their available money together in order to start the guild. I think requiring multiple people could be a necessary condition to create a clan, but not a requirement to keep the clan active (if I have a clan and we have a big falling out, I may want to keep the name but attempt to rebuild the clan from scratch).
I don't mind the idea of clan tags being relinquished, but only if were an appropriate amount of time to assume players were not coming back or don't care enough to keep the tag (for instance someone from the clan must login at least once every 3 months to keep the tag, otherwise it would be considered inactive and the name/tag would be free to use).
I will assume that you were meaning to quote me on this one. I never played WoW, or really any other pay to play MMO. I know that in the games I have played, some xbox, some PC. Such as Pangya, Trickerster, Maple story, Armored core, a final fantasy on ps3 also. I can't think of user requirements. I just know that it could be expensive to start a guild. Some people could just solo-grind instead of pooling their money, though.
If it didn't disband when you hit 1 person though, what could stop me from making x standard users or just finding people online to make a clan that i could then kick people from to be a 1man guild still?
I personally think it should be like how i remember broodwar being. If your not active for 3 months, your account name is thrown back into the pool but not deleted until someone else goes to claim it. If you sign in before someone takes that account name, it would take you back out of the pool for another 3 months. (That is just how i remember it, I could be way off on this one.)
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It doesn't seem like some of you are familiar with Cybersquatting.
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On June 10 2013 04:16 Xonix wrote: We want to have a very professional tag like LaG and not lLaGl because it makes us look slow and not fast enough to pick up that name.
Makes you look slow?
You were slow lol
>_>
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On June 11 2013 06:52 triforks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 04:16 Xonix wrote: We want to have a very professional tag like LaG and not lLaGl because it makes us look slow and not fast enough to pick up that name. Makes you look slow? You were slow lol >_> Even though we had members on the midnight release ready to get it?
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On June 10 2013 09:26 FunkyLich wrote:1.) People losing their rightful clan tags for stupid reasons like this. Where the *prestigous* clan is apparently too cheap to try and pay for the tag. 2.) Clans should be accessible to anyone, including the less active ones who aren't going to remember to log in every 3 months or whatever. It's stupid to have to remember this because there are plenty of tags available. 3.) Why would you want this UNLESS you were in this exact situation? This is just selfish. Just because making that one clan tag expire would be convenient for you, doesn't mean it would be convenient for everyone across the board. And that's completely ignoring the fact that this guy who owns the LaG tag at present would be inconvenienced the most. And has anyone even thought about it from the owner's perspective? It's his tag, plain and simple. Maybe he's not a troll (doesn't matter IMO but still). Maybe that's his clan's actual name. Mind boggling right? LaG is a name that I would have expected to go within the first hour of go-live on the clan tag system, especially since the names are case insensitive. If you didn't realize that, it's your fault as far as I'm concerned. 4) Finally as we've described, an inactivity system being put in place is not going to stop trolls. It's quite troll friendly actually. If I hated EG (I don't), and I was sitting on top of their clan tag, I would make a special point to log in once a month, just to make sure I keep them from getting this tag. I'll say it again. Pay. Up. That is the solution here. If you want something bad enough, you gotta pay for it. Instead, OP is asking Blizzard to play Robin Hood for him, and frankly I find that immoral.
1 is assuming your argument is correct in order to prove your argument (part the issue is determining what is "rightful") 4 is not a negative impact. it is neutral because it is the same case in the current situation. 3 no, it's not his tag "plain and simple". Again this is part of the debate. Simply stating your opinion doesn't make it correct. You are only automatically correct if the tag is guaranteed in the license when you paid for the game. Doesn't matter if it's "his clan's actual name", the point is that it is probably a lot of people's clans actual name. The argument is that if somebody is not actually playing the game, why should they have a spot reserved for them for all eternity? If the guy is not playing the game, he is not inconvenienced. Honestly your argument would apply to almost no people except yourself because very very few people are going to be as passionate about their clan tag when they don't even log in, let alone play the damn game. 2 was already covered in my argument against 3. in addition, there is self-contradiction between this point and your "pay up" solution. being forced to pay for unused clan tags in most cases is going to be a larger barrier to accessibility than simply logging in once every X months in order to keep your tag.
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Have you considered something like LaGG? or LGaming? LaGaming?
for the record, I 100% agree with your OP proposition - inactives suck in any game regardless of scenario, especially ones that sit on valuable/well-known names/tags/clans
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On June 11 2013 08:41 waxypants wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 09:26 FunkyLich wrote:On June 10 2013 09:01 Windows 7 wrote: What are the negative impacts here? 1.) People losing their rightful clan tags for stupid reasons like this. Where the *prestigous* clan is apparently too cheap to try and pay for the tag. 2.) Clans should be accessible to anyone, including the less active ones who aren't going to remember to log in every 3 months or whatever. It's stupid to have to remember this because there are plenty of tags available. 3.) Why would you want this UNLESS you were in this exact situation? This is just selfish. Just because making that one clan tag expire would be convenient for you, doesn't mean it would be convenient for everyone across the board. And that's completely ignoring the fact that this guy who owns the LaG tag at present would be inconvenienced the most. And has anyone even thought about it from the owner's perspective? It's his tag, plain and simple. Maybe he's not a troll (doesn't matter IMO but still). Maybe that's his clan's actual name. Mind boggling right? LaG is a name that I would have expected to go within the first hour of go-live on the clan tag system, especially since the names are case insensitive. If you didn't realize that, it's your fault as far as I'm concerned. 4) Finally as we've described, an inactivity system being put in place is not going to stop trolls. It's quite troll friendly actually. If I hated EG (I don't), and I was sitting on top of their clan tag, I would make a special point to log in once a month, just to make sure I keep them from getting this tag. I'll say it again. Pay. Up. That is the solution here. If you want something bad enough, you gotta pay for it. Instead, OP is asking Blizzard to play Robin Hood for him, and frankly I find that immoral. 1 is assuming your argument is correct in order to prove your argument (part the issue is determining what is "rightful") 4 is not a negative impact. it is neutral because it is the same case in the current situation. 3 no, it's not his tag "plain and simple". Again this is part of the debate. Simply stating your opinion doesn't make it correct. You are only automatically correct if the tag is guaranteed in the license when you paid for the game. Doesn't matter if it's "his clan's actual name", the point is that it is probably a lot of people's clans actual name. The argument is that if somebody is not actually playing the game, why should they have a spot reserved for them for all eternity? If the guy is not playing the game, he is not inconvenienced. Honestly your argument would apply to almost no people except yourself because very very few people are going to be as passionate about their clan tag when they don't even log in, let alone play the damn game. 2 was already covered in my argument against 3. in addition, there is self-contradiction between this point and your "pay up" solution. being forced to pay for unused clan tags in most cases is going to be a larger barrier to accessibility than simply logging in once every X months in order to keep your tag.
I think you are formalizing me way too much. I wasn't trying to be formal. Most of what I'm saying is just moral objections, and a paying customer's opinion. I haven't read all the legal mumbo jumbo, all I'm here to do is catch the OP in the headlights of my justice. But let's just go through this.
Numero Uno It is a lame and inconvenient when people are losing their tag names just because they were away for awhile. This is a stupid reason for someone to lose a clan tag, because the group LaG is just citing that they are more important and deserving. You are making this way more complicated than it needs to be. There is no begging the question / circular reasoning going on here. It's merely an observation. Try to think about how you would feel if you were in this person's shoes. It's a good life skill.
Dos Apparently you addressed this somewhere. If you're gonna concoct a formal rebuttle, do me a favor and organize your shit. Nowhere do you address the fact that there is a tremendous availability of zero conflict clan names already.
Tres I'm just gonna quote you on this giant excretion of bullshit:
If the guy is not playing the game, he is not inconvenienced. Honestly your argument would apply to almost no people except yourself because very very few people are going to be as passionate about their clan tag when they don't even log in, let alone play the damn game. First of all, lots of people take time off, and are also pretty hardcore when they do play. I'm sure you agree with this. But this statement seems to insinuate that the only hardship incurred from losing your tag is that you have to pick a new name. If you lose a tag, the entire clan is dissolved. The clan tag itself is what binds the clan. Once that is taken away, you have to start over and have everyone rejoin. All because some prick wanted your clan name out of the trillion available when you happened to not be playing.
Cuatro This is not a negative impact? No shit sherlock. If you recognized what I was saying, you'd see that it's much worse.
A clan inactivity system does not fix the problem that the OP is having because trolls will be trolls.
If EG or TL were in the situation that the OP is in right now, they would buy their tag like a company buys their domain name, because they ARE important, and that's what important organizations do. They don't ask daddy Blizzard to play Robin Hood for them.
Other stuff:
in addition, there is self-contradiction between this point and your "pay up" solution. being forced to pay for unused clan tags in most cases is going to be a larger barrier to accessibility than simply logging in once every X months in order to keep your tag.
I made a self-contradiction? 1) I don't think you know what that means and (2) you are talking about two utterly different things. First, let's be clear: Being forced to pay for unused clan tags is code for "someone else has it right now, and if you want it you have to pay them for it". This is something that only happens to a select few people like the OP, where they just absolutely must have this specific clan tag. This is not a real barrier to accessibility because very few people are going to have to pay for their clan tag. Most are going to be flexible with the name. Logging in once every X months on the other hand is a comparatively HUGE barrier because it is something everyone has to deal with.
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So you were unable to get your clan tag of your choosing? What makes you think that you deserve to have this clan tag over these other people? Maybe the current owner of the said clan tag hit a rock in his life or he moved out? It takes like 2-3 weeks in Australia to get internet connected if you're not in the city, and that's if you're lucky. His only been inactive for what? 4-5 weeks not 2 months as well.
You were slow, and that's reflecting on you and your team, it's as simple as that. These people have more right to have the clan tag then you as they secured the tag first.
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Funky is the biggest douche i have ever seen on TL, i sincerely hope (and expect) he doesnt last long here.
Expecting people to pay for clan tags, dafuq?
Respected and long-standing Amateur teams have just as much right to have a tag reserved as a proteam IMO, teams spanning multiple years in the game and a history in others.
LaG is one of these.
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On June 11 2013 14:10 MonkSEA wrote: So you were unable to get your clan tag of your choosing? What makes you think that you deserve to have this clan tag over these other people? Maybe the current owner of the said clan tag hit a rock in his life or he moved out? It takes like 2-3 weeks in Australia to get internet connected if you're not in the city, and that's if you're lucky. His only been inactive for what? 4-5 weeks not 2 months as well.
You were slow, and that's reflecting on you and your team, it's as simple as that. These people have more right to have the clan tag then you as they secured the tag first.
So there are teams that had the opportunity to select their clan name prior to HotS even being released, but this was not open to all teams? There is no doubt in my mind that [EG] and similar would have been snatched up by some random faster than the actual team. How were some teams able to select a clan tag before others while other teams were left in the dust, what makes you think EG deserved that tag, why do they have the opportunity to choose a clan tag before anyone else?
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Bigger clans should not be able to bully they way into some tag. Small clans (lets say me + 3/4 friends) could be inactive for a few months and should not be punished for that. This looks like whining spoiled kid feeling entitled to someones toy just because they want it.
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On June 11 2013 14:33 a9arnn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 14:10 MonkSEA wrote: So you were unable to get your clan tag of your choosing? What makes you think that you deserve to have this clan tag over these other people? Maybe the current owner of the said clan tag hit a rock in his life or he moved out? It takes like 2-3 weeks in Australia to get internet connected if you're not in the city, and that's if you're lucky. His only been inactive for what? 4-5 weeks not 2 months as well.
You were slow, and that's reflecting on you and your team, it's as simple as that. These people have more right to have the clan tag then you as they secured the tag first. So there are teams that had the opportunity to select their clan name prior to HotS even being released, but this was not open to all teams? There is no doubt in my mind that [EG] and similar would have been snatched up by some random faster than the actual team. How were some teams able to select a clan tag before others while other teams were left in the dust, what makes you think EG deserved that tag, why do they have the opportunity to choose a clan tag before anyone else?
[EG] is a big PROFESSIONAL team, that's why they had the right to chose. Exactly how do you propose they had done it? make a large queue of all teams/clans in all blizzard games ordered by the number of players active in the last month and approach them one by one for them to choose a name?
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On June 11 2013 14:33 a9arnn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 14:10 MonkSEA wrote: So you were unable to get your clan tag of your choosing? What makes you think that you deserve to have this clan tag over these other people? Maybe the current owner of the said clan tag hit a rock in his life or he moved out? It takes like 2-3 weeks in Australia to get internet connected if you're not in the city, and that's if you're lucky. His only been inactive for what? 4-5 weeks not 2 months as well.
You were slow, and that's reflecting on you and your team, it's as simple as that. These people have more right to have the clan tag then you as they secured the tag first. So there are teams that had the opportunity to select their clan name prior to HotS even being released, but this was not open to all teams? There is no doubt in my mind that [EG] and similar would have been snatched up by some random faster than the actual team. How were some teams able to select a clan tag before others while other teams were left in the dust, what makes you think EG deserved that tag, why do they have the opportunity to choose a clan tag before anyone else?
There is a difference between being a professional gaming team and an amateur team. The pro teams that were able to select their tags first I feel have the right, since they are established in the starcraft community as pro players and should have their tags. The rest of us, the amateur players, are all on an even field when it comes to tags. I mean, lag is such a common phrase in online games, it's no shock that you guys missed it even, just pick something else and go with( If you look that the roster for LaG, they don't even all have the same tag. ) it instead of whining on forums about how someone stole /your/ clan tag. Technically that guy had a starcraft 2 presence before you, so you would be stealing his tag instead.
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On June 11 2013 14:18 Capped wrote: Funky is the biggest douche i have ever seen on TL, i sincerely hope (and expect) he doesnt last long here.
Expecting people to pay for clan tags, dafuq?
Respected and long-standing Amateur teams have just as much right to have a tag reserved as a proteam IMO, teams spanning multiple years in the game and a history in others.
LaG is one of these.
Flattered! Thank you.
I'm not even arguing about whether LaG should have been able to reserve their tag in the first place. What's done is done. Someone else has it now, and as far as we know they want to keep it. A little over a month of inactivity. That's nothing.
So you actually think that instead of paying, respected and long-standing amatuer teams should just be able to take clan tags from other people without their permission? If someone else already has it, and you have to have that specific one, what else are you going to do if they don't want to give it up? Serious question.
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On June 11 2013 14:18 Capped wrote: Funky is the biggest douche i have ever seen on TL, i sincerely hope (and expect) he doesnt last long here.
Expecting people to pay for clan tags, dafuq?
Respected and long-standing Amateur teams have just as much right to have a tag reserved as a proteam IMO, teams spanning multiple years in the game and a history in others.
LaG is one of these. Yea I see what you mean in your above post
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Anyways guys, you can twist my words around, find out all my spelling mistakes and errors but in the end, I just want this post to let you guys know just one of the many issues amateur teams go through trying to break though to the pro scene. Thanks a lot for you time and opinions on this post
-Xonix
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I'm a little disappointed that I didn't get invited.
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still worst is Not unique names so we can have milion barcode hackers and no one get banned until he meet david kim on ladder . or u just dont know if u meet fake or true player.......
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On June 14 2013 05:30 CamoPillbox wrote: still worst is Not unique names so we can have milion barcode hackers and no one get banned until he meet david kim on ladder . or u just dont know if u meet fake or true player....... While there are good reasons to disallow copies of names, using a barcode name won't make a player any less or more likely to be banned for cheating.
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On June 12 2013 13:47 Xonix wrote:Anyways guys, you can twist my words around, find out all my spelling mistakes and errors but in the end, I just want this post to let you guys know just one of the many issues amateur teams go through trying to break though to the pro scene. Thanks a lot for you time and opinions on this post -Xonix
I felt sorry for your troubles until I read this post. Whatever way you twist it is silly to say one of the reasons you haven't broken into the pro scene is the lack of a tag that wasn't even in the game when it launched two years ago.
If you haven't broken into the pro circuit after all these years maybe you should have a hard look at what you're doing wrong instead of trying to blame other people.
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