I have to say that it's now my favorite way of describing B.net 0.2. Good job.
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
I have to say that it's now my favorite way of describing B.net 0.2. Good job. | ||
JimmyJRaynor
Canada15564 Posts
On April 19 2015 03:39 BugRancher wrote: DPS, Aoe centered balance, New HOTS ground holding units were supposed to break deathballs but actually exacerbated the problem by messing with the strategy of base trading, and led to 2 hours standstills. with Avilo's slowly growing fan base.. i have to wonder if lengthy standstills are considered a bad thing by the average SC2 fan. | ||
BugRancher
United States8 Posts
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TaShadan
Germany1959 Posts
On April 19 2015 05:27 OtherWorld wrote: "Battle.net has the social atmosphere of a morgue." I have to say that it's now my favorite way of describing B.net 0.2. Good job. This! | ||
LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
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Phredxor
New Zealand15075 Posts
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andrewlt
United States7645 Posts
On April 19 2015 06:03 JimmyJRaynor wrote: with Avilo's slowly growing fan base.. i have to wonder if lengthy standstills are considered a bad thing by the average SC2 fan. This. So much this. Those of us who watched BW for years keep complaining about certain design decisions Blizzard has made but it is increasingly clear that SC2's remaining player base considers boring your opponent to death a viable strategy to keep 50% balance. There are still people who defend the recently patched out swarm hosts, for God's sake. Yeah, let's have a shitty stale game as long as it has perfect 50% balance. | ||
Reptilia
Chile913 Posts
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On April 19 2015 04:47 BugRancher wrote: I gave probably quadruple the fucks writing this post than blizzard did designing this game. Sadly, I'm willing to bet there isn't even a game design team funded for LOTV cause its an expansion. Right. I'm all for hyperbole but you realize hundreds of game designers probably laboured hundreds of thousands of man hours to just create ONE campaign mission right? Blizzard fans are the most entitled twats, "Worst game ever, designer gave zero fucks, please refund the dozens / hundreds / thousands of hours of entertainment I derived from your product". | ||
hai2u
688 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada15564 Posts
On April 19 2015 07:37 hai2u wrote: op dropping some hard truths. Perfect balance is fucking overrated. Give me something that is fun to play and entertaining to watch and I'll take that over balance any day. In striving for complete balance that is not achievable anyway i'm having a lot of fun with SC2...its been a really good 5 years. However, Red Alert 3 was less balanced and more fun... lots of issues with a poorly polished game.. beached Akula Subs... infantry firing through walls ... but for pure fun .. it was a romp. the infrastructure around SC2 is superior to any other current RTS game and miles better than RA3. so relative to the current choices of the marketplace .. SC2's BNet is the best there is. | ||
MidnightZL
Sweden203 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
On April 19 2015 07:37 hai2u wrote: op dropping some hard truths. Perfect balance is fucking overrated. Give me something that is fun to play and entertaining to watch and I'll take that over balance any day. In striving for complete balance that is not achievable anyway, we had to settle for no 4th race, 1-2 new mp units per expansion lol, limited play styles and FIVE years to release the 2nd expansion. No, all the players from 2010-2012 ain't coming back for Lotv. Don't get me started on the piece of shit that is Bnet. 4th races or more and more units won't make the game better. In fact, removing some units like Colossus may be good for the game. | ||
ArgusDreamer
Canada63 Posts
On April 19 2015 04:22 Deathstar wrote: Good post. Might be time to dust off BW skills because blizzard isn't going for any serious changes in lotv. I'll read through thedwf's post later. Oh look another whine thread about about lotv not supplying specific bw fans their fix. How original and unprecedented. I agree there are definite issues with SC 2 in general but honestly i feel like the social aspect + not having lan are the only ones that are really that glaringly bad. Blizzard liking a 50/50 balance and it meaning sometimes players get to control the game a little too much with semi stalemate playstyles is also the fault of the player. There are so many extreme biases within the analogy of people not being able to disperse deathballs themselves. Newsflash armies can work really well together because people know how to micro well, also newsflash people also figure out how to micro 1 - 15 units or whatever blob or small group. If you actually put in interest into watching sc2 HOTS you'd of seen that 3 prong attacks are a standard procedure in every match up in almost 70% of sc2 games across all match ups. Regarding the stalemates i have to say again, they happen because quality of micro and the pressure to preserve resources is over induced on the player. For example in one way we want to keep going for the standard build order/mechanical way of playing but the other solutions are all ridiculed as "nah you need to know what you are doing". This is why people who know how to macro/micro well but also know how to adapt their styles do far better in the long run ( course of 2 years yeah long run..) If you look at players puck and compare him to someone like naniwa. Puck plays very forceful with his units milking out the power of his micro in aggressive timings. ( then falters to firecake vs the SH game in wcs season 1 2015) Yet it had to be blizzards fault according to his tweet. Then you look at naniwa and he's always talking and trying out different styles and heavily theorizes what else he can do. A lot of progamers/ sc 2 players and watchers have this insatiable urge to condemn the game over things they only observed and first hand experienced and exacerbated by only taking the brunt of the situation. We wanted lan since the beginning of SC 2 wol beta and it never happend... do i still care ? Yes i definitely do but you don't see me trying to tarnish the amazing qualities sc2 does have to do so. I don't agree with some balance ideas, i might make a post but that's it. At the end of the day we are all guilty of being entitled brats. My suggestion is to put your ill tempered cravings to good use and not just go on a hate blizzard tantrum every time you don't get what you want yet. Take into consideration that they don't owe you anything ( see my point about sc2 lan) I want an improvement to sc 2 social aspect/lan. Boom that's all i got personally to say about it. Other than that sc 2 is going to grow and develop into a more beautiful game each month - years. I'm really tired of all the bitter-ists explaining how the game is dead because it doesn't cater to their selfish needs enough. Why are you useful to us any ways ? If all you guys do is making 500+ comments about how BW had this and that...we know go play it then? Make a project and remade BW urself in a game engine and do it damn well try and get some interest from blizzard in professional ways. Anything other than "I wanna quit, please validate my unique ideas !!!! " | ||
Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On April 19 2015 08:16 Wildmoon wrote: 4th races or more and more units won't make the game better. In fact, removing some units like Colossus may be good for the game. And protoss is going to do what? Instant quit vs terran and zerg? | ||
BugRancher
United States8 Posts
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ArgusDreamer
Canada63 Posts
On April 19 2015 10:28 BugRancher wrote: Call it whiney, or anything else, these are the things blizzard needs to address to get my business, nothing more to it than that. Solid two liner comment. Guess they aren't missing out on much if this is all you can think of. You still act overly entitled, you don't go into suggestions just criticism, albeit some valid criticism most of your HOTS/LOTV analogies are wrong. All you do is summarize what you knew about WOL. Wow blast from the past. | ||
Espers
United Kingdom606 Posts
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
On April 19 2015 10:36 ArgusDreamer wrote: Solid two liner comment. Guess they aren't missing out on much if this is all you can think of. You still act overly entitled, you don't go into suggestions just criticism, albeit some valid criticism most of your HOTS/LOTV analogies are wrong. All you do is summarize what you knew about WOL. Wow blast from the past. thats what I thought when I read op. the entitlement is strong in this one, even though he has some valid points. | ||
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