The first proleague of LOTV is at dire straits before it has even started. Last October, Prime has been involved in match fixing, completely demolishing the entire team, and is now unable to take part in proleague.
Now, LOTV Proleague faces yet another obstacle. The expected 7 team league process is hampered by Sbenu's SC2 team. Opinions that Sbenu's poor financial state will affect the team as well are gaining more support as time goes on. Their logic is that a stable 6 team league will be better than another shaky 7 team league.
Trustworthy information says "The league information was supposed to be released on the morning of January 18th." the information also reports "The possibility of a 6 team Proleague is actually growing."
OSEN has looked into it, and interviews show that opinions are currently split. The players and coaching staff are siding with Coach Lee Seon Jong through social media. One said "Sbenu is going through hard times because of the sponsor, but it doesn't look good to reduce another team in an already small community where new players are hard to find. It's gonna be hard, but I wish we could stick together."
Another declared "Sbenu's league entry will show where exactly LOTV is currently at. It is a new league, and every team, every player is important.", showing his support for the 7 team format.
Some showed their doubts as well. Some management and staff say that the team will struggle monetarily with the lack of sponsor. "Unlike the LOL team, the SC2 team has received much less money this year than the last. The LOL team can also request support from Riot if worst comes to worst, but the SC2 team has to spend personal money. We can't help but think of the nightmare we had last year. It's going to be better to play safe with a 6 team format"
Another also voiced his concern. "Sbenu is going through tough times. That's going to impact the team's play. Prime's low scores came not only from matchfixing, but also because the players lost confidence. We must take some time to think rationally. Can they make it through this turmoil?"
KeSPA quotes "we're looking at various opinion to find an answer. We'll come through with a plan soon. If we get the team format, we'll announce the sponsor and other details."
Half of this is due to Blizzard basically restricting the Korean scene in my opinion. Other half is of course, due to the scandals that Prime and SBENU/Startale face. The Korean scene is very top heavy. I mean just look at Prime last year. They were the laughing stock of Proleage like how Philadelphia is in the NBA right now.
If they let SBENU die to itself instead of support SBENU (maybe under new name and soon under new brand), 6 team ProLeague is doomed to stop existing in 1-2 years. 6 Team ProLeague will live the same life as 5 team GSTL
Would be nice to convince the military to sponsor a team. No one would expect them to win but it would give the few players that have a chance at a post military career a way to stay sharp if not competitive.
On January 18 2016 12:21 Dodgin wrote: at this rate proleague and the korean scene will disappear completely by 2018
at this rate we might have a really dead game in 1year. WCS system have to work really well.
I'm sure the foreign scene and WCS will continue longer than KR, with the new system I think a long term shift is coming. The Korean scene is not getting any new players(DRGling the only exception) and teams are falling with no replacement. Every year we have less and less teams in Korea. We used to have 8 teams + eSF teams, now we have 0 ESF teams, no Axiom and 6 Kespa teams remaining.
I remember OGN's LoL league opening with the former KeSPA chairman and current IeSF chairman vaguely pledging support for teams in trouble, timed very closely after the SBENU incident got big in Korea. It would be unfortunate if that only applied to SBENU in LoL (formerly Prime) and not SBENU-SC2 (Startale).
On January 18 2016 12:21 Dodgin wrote: at this rate proleague and the korean scene will disappear completely by 2018
at this rate we might have a really dead game in 1year. WCS system have to work really well.
I'm sure the foreign scene and WCS will continue longer than KR, with the new system I think a long term shift is coming. The Korean scene is not getting any new players(DRGling the only exception) and teams are falling with no replacement. Every year we have less and less teams in Korea. We used to have 8 teams + eSF teams, now we have 0 ESF teams, no Axiom and 6 Kespa teams remaining.
6 new guys actually DRGLing NaTuRaL SGW Sonagi Rookie Nightmare
I agree that foreign SC2 scene will live longer than Korean SC2 scene. That is why I am both happy and worried about WCS Circuit. Foreigners must be protected to keep the scene alive as much as possible, and Korean players will need a place to go to when Korea's SC2 scene gets fucked over again.
On January 18 2016 12:33 Waxangel wrote: I remember OGN's LoL league opening with the former KeSPA chairman and current IeSF chairman vaguely pledging support for teams in trouble, timed very closely after the SBENU incident got big in Korea. It would be unfortunate if that only applied to SBENU in LoL (formerly Prime) and not SBENU-SC2 (Startale).
They also said that they'd support eSF teams coming over. Now IM and Prime are dead and SBENU are on shaky ground.
On January 18 2016 12:33 Waxangel wrote: I remember OGN's LoL league opening with the former KeSPA chairman and current IeSF chairman vaguely pledging support for teams in trouble, timed very closely after the SBENU incident got big in Korea. It would be unfortunate if that only applied to SBENU in LoL (formerly Prime) and not SBENU-SC2 (Startale).
They also said that they'd support eSF teams coming over. Now IM and Prime are dead and SBENU are on shaky ground.
To be fair they did support IM and they're doing just fine, they just don't have a SC2 team anymore
At this point I don't even know who to blame. On one hand you have a gimped Korean WCS system, on the other hand you had players matchfixing in 2015 and big sponsor falling apart by itself which (apparently) are internal issues.
It is hard to get excited about korean sc2 in 2016 at this point (and thus about sc2). Not sure how far my passion can take me :/ I hope this somehow works out though
we are down to 2 GSL and SSL, and possibly with a 6 teams league. I hope we end up seeing a bunch of Hot6 and KeSPA Cups to keep SC2 on Korea with a decent player base.
On January 18 2016 13:20 digmouse wrote: At this point I don't even know who to blame. On one hand you have a gimped Korean WCS system, on the other hand you had players matchfixing in 2015 and big sponsor falling apart by itself which (apparently) are internal issues.
I think the bad timing has made this worse but just how the entire WCS infrastructure is treating the Korean scene makes it really really bad
Not participating in PL can create vicious circle: no PL -> no exposure -> no sponsors -> worse financial situation -> no PL. If StarTale (former SBENU, former StarTale) can rake up at least some money, they should be allowed to participate.
On January 18 2016 14:27 Silvana wrote: Where the f*** is Apollo to tell us that everything is going fine in Korea and we have nothing to worry about...
I don't blame him honestly, I mean the guy got to eat and giving a better image to his job will help him to put more food on the table.
On January 18 2016 14:27 Silvana wrote: Where the f*** is Apollo to tell us that everything is going fine in Korea and we have nothing to worry about...
I don't think brits choke on their lies so expect it shortly
On January 18 2016 14:27 Silvana wrote: Where the f*** is Apollo to tell us that everything is going fine in Korea and we have nothing to worry about...
I don't think brits choke on their lies so expect it shortly
On January 18 2016 14:27 Silvana wrote: Where the f*** is Apollo to tell us that everything is going fine in Korea and we have nothing to worry about...
I don't think brits choke on their lies so expect it shortly
On January 18 2016 14:27 Silvana wrote: Where the f*** is Apollo to tell us that everything is going fine in Korea and we have nothing to worry about...
I don't think brits choke on their lies so expect it shortly
Its definitely a long shot.
You can do better than that
Better than Brits following up with their promises.
here goes my dream of we having team 8. Ah, someone need to help SBENU, Afreeca, Blizzard, whoever it is, they need to help SBENU. I think up until this point, SBENU is the only team with newbies, they need to develop young players, or else the "dead game" fear might actually become true....
Looks bad. But to be honest (to all those WCS fanatics) I think the situation would look the same way right now without the WCS changes. WCS has nothing to do with the match fixing or Sonic scandals. Korean SC2 is falling apart all by itself right now.
I really wonder what it is though. BW was doing so much better, but maybe BW had less competition. Is it really other games taking SC spot light away?
I wish I had won that powerball, I'd have made the sickest Proleague team, I'd have signed like 10, maybe even 12 players. And some foreigners! If only I were American so I could have...
On January 18 2016 16:07 RoomOfMush wrote: Looks bad. But to be honest (to all those WCS fanatics) I think the situation would look the same way right now without the WCS changes. WCS has nothing to do with the match fixing or Sonic scandals. Korean SC2 is falling apart all by itself right now.
I really wonder what it is though. BW was doing so much better, but maybe BW had less competition. Is it really other games taking SC spot light away?
Alright it's settled then, I'll sell everything I have move to Korea if 6 of you will come with me and we can be the TeamLiquidLosers. Our only wins come from cheese and we balance whine in interviews.
Ugh, I really have to criticize Blizzard for taking money out of Korea. Foreigners will never produce the same quality of competition that the Koreans do. This just means we'll get to see less awesome games and more mediocre ones.
On January 18 2016 16:16 LongShot27 wrote: Alright it's settled then, I'll sell everything I have move to Korea if 6 of you will come with me and we can be the TeamLiquidLosers. Our only wins come from cheese and we balance whine in interviews.
On January 18 2016 16:16 LongShot27 wrote: Alright it's settled then, I'll sell everything I have move to Korea if 6 of you will come with me and we can be the TeamLiquidLosers. Our only wins come from cheese and we balance whine in interviews.
On January 18 2016 16:37 Thouhastmail wrote: Oh, FYI, there's a rumour that SBENU closed its practice house and moved their computers to its teamhouse.
Obviously a rumor spread by you northern commies to destabilize the pro gaming industry
On January 18 2016 16:37 Thouhastmail wrote: Oh, FYI, there's a rumour that SBENU closed its practice house and moved their computers to its teamhouse.
Obviously a rumor spread by you northern commies to destabilize the pro gaming industry
We best Korea do not use that kind of dirty tricks. Seriously!
Would really be a shame if it turned to out to be six teams. Seven would already be disappointing, but six with Sbenu disbanding would really suck, since some of their players already showed great potential in LotV.
On January 18 2016 16:07 RoomOfMush wrote: Looks bad. But to be honest (to all those WCS fanatics) I think the situation would look the same way right now without the WCS changes. WCS has nothing to do with the match fixing or Sonic scandals. Korean SC2 is falling apart all by itself right now.
I really wonder what it is though. BW was doing so much better, but maybe BW had less competition. Is it really other games taking SC spot light away?
On January 18 2016 16:07 RoomOfMush wrote: Looks bad. But to be honest (to all those WCS fanatics) I think the situation would look the same way right now without the WCS changes. WCS has nothing to do with the match fixing or Sonic scandals. Korean SC2 is falling apart all by itself right now.
I really wonder what it is though. BW was doing so much better, but maybe BW had less competition. Is it really other games taking SC spot light away?
On January 18 2016 16:07 RoomOfMush wrote: Looks bad. But to be honest (to all those WCS fanatics) I think the situation would look the same way right now without the WCS changes. WCS has nothing to do with the match fixing or Sonic scandals. Korean SC2 is falling apart all by itself right now.
I really wonder what it is though. BW was doing so much better, but maybe BW had less competition. Is it really other games taking SC spot light away?
On January 18 2016 16:07 Korakys wrote: SC2 is far from dead, but it has entered serious decline now. There probably wont be a proleague next year.
Way too quickly imo, at least match BW in terms of PL years.
Dota was never popular in Korea, Those other 90s' RTSes were nowhere near as popular as Starcraft and didn't offer the asymmetrical races SC1 had. Counterstrike nowhere near as popular as Starcraft (it helped Starcraft had several years of time to flourish unopposed)
Anyway, I don't think this had anything to do with WCS welfare, I don't think SC2 Proleague is as lucractive exposure for teams, otherwise we'd have seen Incredible Miracle come back, or one of the new LoL orgs, like Najin or Afreeca Freecs expand into SC2. I believe some TL people I follow on Twitter said that Riot can help out those struggling orgs, and unfortunately Blizzard isn't that liberal with subsidies to stabilize orgs.
On January 18 2016 16:07 RoomOfMush wrote: Looks bad. But to be honest (to all those WCS fanatics) I think the situation would look the same way right now without the WCS changes. WCS has nothing to do with the match fixing or Sonic scandals. Korean SC2 is falling apart all by itself right now.
I really wonder what it is though. BW was doing so much better, but maybe BW had less competition. Is it really other games taking SC spot light away?
On January 18 2016 16:07 RoomOfMush wrote: Looks bad. But to be honest (to all those WCS fanatics) I think the situation would look the same way right now without the WCS changes. WCS has nothing to do with the match fixing or Sonic scandals. Korean SC2 is falling apart all by itself right now.
I really wonder what it is though. BW was doing so much better, but maybe BW had less competition. Is it really other games taking SC spot light away?
On January 18 2016 16:07 RoomOfMush wrote: Looks bad. But to be honest (to all those WCS fanatics) I think the situation would look the same way right now without the WCS changes. WCS has nothing to do with the match fixing or Sonic scandals. Korean SC2 is falling apart all by itself right now.
I really wonder what it is though. BW was doing so much better, but maybe BW had less competition. Is it really other games taking SC spot light away?
MOBAs that get a HUGE support from their companies.
dota and csgo do get quite a lot of prize money from crowdfunding as well, if im not mistaken. Why something like that isnt in use by sc2 tournaments?
CS:GO doesn't. They do however have in-game items that can go to the teams/orgs.
Ultimately, I don't think such a product might not do so hot in Starcraft because we have such a lower playerbase/ players (the price tag is a huge barrier) that might not be prone to buying in-game cosmetics so it might not be as awesome.
But yeah, ultimately it comes down to Blizzard doesn't monetize SC2. Which can be a great thing. They however just started to with the map packs, but are they actually going to sell skins directly as opposed to skins being special bonuses?
Thing with WCS infrastructure is that it makes future of SC2 in Korea even more dire. It may be not the cause of the current situation but it makes it worse.
Although it's improper to compare Sbenu's situation with Prime's last year. Sbenu can start into a new game, so cards are kinda shuffled while Prime had to catch up in skill. And Sbenu has a far better roster than Prime had since the end of 2013 with only 1-3 good or mediocre players while Sbenu has seven good/mediocre players (some with great potential to be top contenders) and is quite healthy in holding two of the very few newcomers in korean SC2. Banning Sbenu from Proleague would kinda make a self ful-filling prophecy, banning them from their only chance to get up again. Hmmm... perhaps Sobenu is interested in a sponsorship? :D
if SBENU aren't allowed to play then how can we follow the development of new players like DRGLing and SGW? can SKT just buy SBENU and make it SKT T2 or something *hope*
On January 18 2016 17:33 Shana wrote: Sad to see that StarCraft is getting less support each year in Korea, both by Blizzard and KeSPA.
This year Blizzard supports Korean scene by $250k more money than last year to compensate their foreign tournament earnings. I don't think this is "less" support.
On January 18 2016 17:33 Shana wrote: Sad to see that StarCraft is getting less support each year in Korea, both by Blizzard and KeSPA.
This year Blizzard supports Korean scene by $250k more money than last year to compensate their foreign tournament earnings. I don't think this is "less" support.
Although that's true, it would be better for viewers to have 6 seasons of leagues instead of 4. The same applies for players IMO.
On January 18 2016 17:33 Shana wrote: Sad to see that StarCraft is getting less support each year in Korea, both by Blizzard and KeSPA.
This year Blizzard supports Korean scene by $250k more money than last year to compensate their foreign tournament earnings. I don't think this is "less" support.
Although that's true, it would be better for viewers to have 6 seasons of leagues instead of 4. The same applies for players IMO.
Completely agree. 6 season is better for viewers/players, and even Blizzad. So I don't think 4 season is Blizzard's decision. Blizzard has no reason to reduce the number of season when WCS Circuit has 3 seasons. Maybe Afreeca or SPOTV want only 2 seasons, but this is just a speculation.
On January 18 2016 17:33 Shana wrote: Sad to see that StarCraft is getting less support each year in Korea, both by Blizzard and KeSPA.
This year Blizzard supports Korean scene by $250k more money than last year to compensate their foreign tournament earnings. I don't think this is "less" support.
Although that's true, it would be better for viewers to have 6 seasons of leagues instead of 4. The same applies for players IMO.
Yeah, it's not exactly "less" but there's also things thats hard to put value on, like, opportunities for a player to do well, and that goes along with the value of a player for their sponsors by getting less exposure, even if the do phenomenally well each of the 4 seasons, not being on TV for all those hours of the 2 other seasons is still a net loss.
But like I said, this is Proleague, Blizzard doesn't really fuck around with Proleague since it's not an individual tournament and thus not really part of their WCS/Blizzcon system.
On January 18 2016 17:33 Shana wrote: Sad to see that StarCraft is getting less support each year in Korea, both by Blizzard and KeSPA.
This year Blizzard supports Korean scene by $250k more money than last year to compensate their foreign tournament earnings. I don't think this is "less" support.
Although that's true, it would be better for viewers to have 6 seasons of leagues instead of 4. The same applies for players IMO.
Especially if you have 2 of those 4 seasons dominated by glaring balance issues and a map pool a three year old would frown upon...
Also, don't underestimate how much exposure those foreign tournaments gave to Koreans, their teams and their sponsors. WCS Welfare forced them to stay there, making sponsoring a Korean SC2 team a lot less attractive of a decision compared to some other games.
On January 18 2016 11:05 RCCar wrote: Another also voiced his concern. "Sbenu is going through tough times. That's going to impact the team's play. Prime's low scores came not only from matchfixing, but also because the players lost confidence. We must take some time to think rationally. Can they make it through this turmoil?"
This part I really don't like much. It's not like the team hasn't been in this situation before. I think after the way they handled themselves in the 2015 season they at least deserve a shot to show they can do it again.
On January 18 2016 11:05 RCCar wrote: Another also voiced his concern. "Sbenu is going through tough times. That's going to impact the team's play. Prime's low scores came not only from matchfixing, but also because the players lost confidence. We must take some time to think rationally. Can they make it through this turmoil?"
This part I really don't like much. It's not like the team hasn't been in this situation before. I think after the way they handled themselves in the 2015 season they at least deserve a shot to show they can do it again.
The guys that disagree with the 7 team system currently are mostly PR guys. I assume they have become overly cautious because of the matchfixing scandals as well as Sbenu busting sometime during proleague and causing a huge scandal again.
On January 18 2016 16:07 RoomOfMush wrote: Looks bad. But to be honest (to all those WCS fanatics) I think the situation would look the same way right now without the WCS changes. WCS has nothing to do with the match fixing or Sonic scandals. Korean SC2 is falling apart all by itself right now.
I really wonder what it is though. BW was doing so much better, but maybe BW had less competition. Is it really other games taking SC spot light away?
MOBAs that get a HUGE support from their companies.
dota and csgo do get quite a lot of prize money from crowdfunding as well, if im not mistaken. Why something like that isnt in use by sc2 tournaments?
Atleast nationwars used that system. They crowdfunded 6000$, down from 18 000$ from their previous much smaller season. csgo and dota get quite a lot of prize money because their scene is much bigger
On January 18 2016 16:16 LongShot27 wrote: Alright it's settled then, I'll sell everything I have move to Korea if 6 of you will come with me and we can be the TeamLiquidLosers. Our only wins come from cheese and we balance whine in interviews.
I'd prefer six teams with Bo7 being revived. Perhaps even see the ace match be Archon mode.
Though the entire league will need to be restructured some, since it would be silly to keep having playoffs with four teams when there are only six teams.
I am a simple person with a simpler dream, ProLeague with 8 teams playing in it the dream is getting further and further away :/ if only there is a second and third Jin Air to save SC2
On January 19 2016 05:32 NinjaToss wrote: I am a simple person with a simpler dream, ProLeague with 8 teams playing in it the dream is getting further and further away :/ if only there is a second and third Jin Air to save SC2
LG Startale is my dream. It could make for a good rivalry with Samsung Galaxy.
On January 19 2016 05:32 NinjaToss wrote: I am a simple person with a simpler dream, ProLeague with 8 teams playing in it the dream is getting further and further away :/ if only there is a second and third Jin Air to save SC2
LG Startale is my dream. It could make for a good rivalry with Samsung Galaxy.
But the truth is. SC II does not really attract big cooperative sponsors at the moment. Saddest me, but I dont know what to change at the moment. SC II is just not the esport, RTS just not the genre like they have been.
On January 19 2016 17:32 Clonester wrote: I hoped for Hyundai-Kia getting a team.
But the truth is. SC II does not really attract big cooperative sponsors at the moment. Saddest me, but I dont know what to change at the moment. SC II is just not the esport, RTS just not the genre like they have been.
If they were going to (and there were some rumours about it I think) they likely would have picked up a LoL team for Champions. Seemingly didn't work out though.
Let SBENU play, anything else would be their death sentence. Give them a chance and let them fight! They've shown their merit in desperate situations as StarTale already.
On January 19 2016 22:44 TheOneAboveU wrote: Let SBENU play, anything else would be their death sentence. Give them a chance and let them fight! They've shown their merit in desperate situations as StarTale already.
Not just a death sentence for the team but also the careers of like half the players.
On January 19 2016 22:44 TheOneAboveU wrote: Let SBENU play, anything else would be their death sentence. Give them a chance and let them fight! They've shown their merit in desperate situations as StarTale already.
Not just a death sentence for the team but also the careers of like half the players.
Yeah, but if one of them screws up (and there are already voided bets for DRGling) then the entire Korean SC2 scene dies. I don't think it can survive another scandal.
So I'm OK with all parties involved taking their time to discuss things and make a solid decision.
On January 19 2016 05:32 NinjaToss wrote: I am a simple person with a simpler dream, ProLeague with 8 teams playing in it the dream is getting further and further away :/ if only there is a second and third Jin Air to save SC2
LG Startale is my dream. It could make for a good rivalry with Samsung Galaxy.
Do they still sponsor IM in LoL or anything?
No. the LG-IM Sponsorship was a huge disaster. IM didn't get paid by LG, and had LG on their uniforms for many months of not getting paid out of good faith, and got completely boned. It was one of the reasons why IM joined Kespa.
On January 19 2016 22:44 TheOneAboveU wrote: Let SBENU play, anything else would be their death sentence. Give them a chance and let them fight! They've shown their merit in desperate situations as StarTale already.
Not just a death sentence for the team but also the careers of like half the players.
Yeah, but if one of them screws up (and there are already voided bets for DRGling) then the entire Korean SC2 scene dies. I don't think it can survive another scandal.
So I'm OK with all parties involved taking their time to discuss things and make a solid decision.
Can you point me to specifics? The voided bets thing is scary and sad
On January 19 2016 22:44 TheOneAboveU wrote: Let SBENU play, anything else would be their death sentence. Give them a chance and let them fight! They've shown their merit in desperate situations as StarTale already.
Not just a death sentence for the team but also the careers of like half the players.
Yeah, but if one of them screws up (and there are already voided bets for DRGling) then the entire Korean SC2 scene dies. I don't think it can survive another scandal.
So I'm OK with all parties involved taking their time to discuss things and make a solid decision.
Voided bets again? Any discussion on this you can link to?
ProLeauge... What happened to the NKK team? Weren't there some discussions going on that a new team will be formed with TCM players and non-KeSPA Korean players to participate in ProLeauge?
On January 19 2016 22:44 TheOneAboveU wrote: Let SBENU play, anything else would be their death sentence. Give them a chance and let them fight! They've shown their merit in desperate situations as StarTale already.
Not just a death sentence for the team but also the careers of like half the players.
Yeah, but if one of them screws up (and there are already voided bets for DRGling) then the entire Korean SC2 scene dies. I don't think it can survive another scandal.
So I'm OK with all parties involved taking their time to discuss things and make a solid decision.
Voided bets again? Any discussion on this you can link to?
On January 16 2016 00:05 Haggisahh wrote: [Match] Bbyong vs Drgling. Your bet with ticket-ID: x has been refunded. All bets taken have been refunded due to the following reason: [Abnormal and suspicious betting activity has been detected for this event. All wagers from all customers have been cancelled. This action is taken very rarely and is for the protection of all our customers.] . Thank you!
On January 20 2016 13:47 WrathSCII wrote: ProLeauge... What happened to the NKK team? Weren't there some discussions going on that a new team will be formed with TCM players and non-KeSPA Korean players to participate in ProLeauge?
Myungsik already moved to SKT, ryung moved to MVP, Rain/Fantasy retired, With new WCS rule, it is difficult for Korean player to play on foreign team.
On January 19 2016 22:44 TheOneAboveU wrote: Let SBENU play, anything else would be their death sentence. Give them a chance and let them fight! They've shown their merit in desperate situations as StarTale already.
Not just a death sentence for the team but also the careers of like half the players.
Yeah, but if one of them screws up (and there are already voided bets for DRGling) then the entire Korean SC2 scene dies. I don't think it can survive another scandal.
So I'm OK with all parties involved taking their time to discuss things and make a solid decision.
Voided bets again? Any discussion on this you can link to?
On January 16 2016 00:05 Haggisahh wrote: [Match] Bbyong vs Drgling. Your bet with ticket-ID: x has been refunded. All bets taken have been refunded due to the following reason: [Abnormal and suspicious betting activity has been detected for this event. All wagers from all customers have been cancelled. This action is taken very rarely and is for the protection of all our customers.] . Thank you!
Don't think anything else was said.
Yes, this is all I read.
Not a big fuss like previous voided bets, maybe not many people bet on this match? Or maybe this happens too often now and thus it isn't an indicative of anything worth to worry.
On January 20 2016 14:32 -Kyo- wrote: Don't worry boys those purchasable unit skins have almost finished their long, grueling 5 year development and will save sc2!!
I don't understand why everyone wants the skins so bad... I wish there will be an option to turn off skins while playing. After all, you are dealing with your own client, so on your opponent's machine you can display his lovely skins and on your machine you can turn that off if you are not comfortable with the feel of those skins.
On January 20 2016 14:32 -Kyo- wrote: Don't worry boys those purchasable unit skins have almost finished their long, grueling 5 year development and will save sc2!!
I don't understand why everyone wants the skins so bad... I wish there will be an option to turn off skins while playing. After all, you are dealing with your own client, so on your opponent's machine you can display his lovely skins and on your machine you can turn that off if you are not comfortable with the feel of those skins.
There's no point in selling skins when nobody sees them...
And imagine this - SBENU could sold their own skins/audio sets/whatever, 25 % goes to Blizzard, 75 % goes to SBENU. Every fan of SBENU could help their team by buying this...
Skins are things that people buy on a huge scale in every other game, not sure why SC2 should be different.
On January 20 2016 14:32 -Kyo- wrote: Don't worry boys those purchasable unit skins have almost finished their long, grueling 5 year development and will save sc2!!
I don't understand why everyone wants the skins so bad... I wish there will be an option to turn off skins while playing. After all, you are dealing with your own client, so on your opponent's machine you can display his lovely skins and on your machine you can turn that off if you are not comfortable with the feel of those skins.
There's no point in selling skins when nobody sees them...
And imagine this - SBENU could sold their own skins/audio sets/whatever, 25 % goes to Blizzard, 75 % goes to SBENU. Every fan of SBENU could help their team by buying this...
Skins are things that people buy on a huge scale in every other game, not sure why SC2 should be different.
Playing an RTS like StarCraft with heavy multitasking is already hard enough. Especially when you micro your army during the big engagements. It is kinda already hard to differentiate your units while clumped and under air units, with the mass new skins that does only make the units look more silly (Check Heros skins....) it makes it even harder to kinda focus.
On January 20 2016 14:32 -Kyo- wrote: Don't worry boys those purchasable unit skins have almost finished their long, grueling 5 year development and will save sc2!!
I don't understand why everyone wants the skins so bad... I wish there will be an option to turn off skins while playing. After all, you are dealing with your own client, so on your opponent's machine you can display his lovely skins and on your machine you can turn that off if you are not comfortable with the feel of those skins.
There's no point in selling skins when nobody sees them...
And imagine this - SBENU could sold their own skins/audio sets/whatever, 25 % goes to Blizzard, 75 % goes to SBENU. Every fan of SBENU could help their team by buying this...
Skins are things that people buy on a huge scale in every other game, not sure why SC2 should be different.
Playing an RTS like StarCraft with heavy multitasking is already hard enough. Especially when you micro your army during the big engagements. It is kinda already hard to differentiate your units while clumped and under air units, with the mass new skins that does only make the units look more silly (Check Heros skins....) it makes it even harder to kinda focus.
I agree on this, but the skins could be done properly and sensibly. In the end the units are small, so skins would work for the best on massive units anyway. It could be for massive units + bigger units(phoenix/VR) + buildings. That's not that bad. And in the end we already have skins for some and no big revolt is happening