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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On February 18 2017 01:24 ulfryc wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2017 19:40 Plexa wrote:On February 17 2017 19:35 ulfryc wrote:On February 17 2017 11:49 Cascade wrote: I mean, I agree that browsing TL is different from catching up on a game, and a lot of people use TL for things that are not related to recent games, but if you really want to remain unspoiled, I think the only safe way is to contain your TL-addiction until you've caught up. While that might be true, why else would you (re-)introduce a "Hide Spoilers" button? Of course TL staff can't go through forum threads and check which contains spoilers and such but I would at least expect them to flag spoilers in their front page news. For anyone wondering, herO & Ryung advance to Code S Round of 8, is still very visible on the front page right now, with "Hide Spoilers" activated. As said in the second post, the "No Spoilers" option hides spoilers for 24h. From our perspective we think this caters to the needs of most people. We could be wrong about that. Would people prefer the ability to have "no spoilers" mean anything that was marked a spoiler is always marked as a spoiler, rather than have the spoiler status removed after 24h? Also leaving this post here for visibility; Poll: No Spoilers OptionsLeave it at 24h (15) 20% Increase to 48h (8) 11% Permanent (53) 70% 76 total votes Your vote: No Spoilers Options (Vote): Leave it at 24h (Vote): Increase to 48h (Vote): Permanent
Technically it should not be to hard of an implementation to be able to make this choice on a per user level, right? Just have a boolean flag for every news article whether it contains a spoiler (as I guess you have now) and then display only those news-items on the front page which are either not spoilers or satisfy the formula (current_date - news_creation_date) > user_spoiler_time. For people that are not logged in you could just default to whatever is the result of the current poll. Sure technically easy, but on a practical level people tend to only ever use what the default is. There's not much room in the UI to accommodate for this choice.
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if i cant watch a BW match live I try to avoid TL...why? because im sure I see at least something, maybe a fanclub or a stream thread by the winner who is on the no.1 spot...
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24hours is not enough time. From the time GSL goes up to the time I'm done watching it.. often the next set has just been played. So 4-5 days.
I work, i'm married and have 2 kids. yea I'm old I get it.. but that just means the time I have to dedicate to starcraft is very limited on a daily basis.
i simply avoid TL until I watch the vods... which means I hardly visit the site. imo if your advertisers saw that comment they'd advocate an indefinite hiding of spoilers.. especially considering my income
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Austria24413 Posts
Speaking from the perspective of someone who writes news, it's frustrating if your content isn't read. News reporting already isn't much fun, and it's much less fun if some people never even come in contact with your work because they're forever hiding it behind a spoiler button.
My opinion here is that you should bookmark the GSL VOD site on Twitch, or the Afreeca Youtube Channel if you don't want to be spoiled 24h after a group has been played. Seriously, you wouldn't visit a Football related website a day after a game if you don't want to be spoiled, regardless of whether or not it has a forum built in. R/soccer doesn't care about spoilers, it has results right there in your face. There's enough ways to avoid being spoiled, writers shouldn't have their work hidden indefinitely just because you're too lazy to figure them out.
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On February 18 2017 06:58 Olli wrote: Speaking from the perspective of someone who writes news, it's frustrating if your content isn't read. News reporting already isn't much fun, and it's much less fun if some people never even come in contact with your work because they're forever hiding it behind a spoiler button.
If I see a spoiler I don't want to have seen, then I'm still not gonna read it. I want to watch the games, then read the analysis articles. Even if it's been spoiled, I'll still watch the games before reading the threads/articles.
Being able to check to say when I'm ready to read spoiler articles is what the Hide Spoilers and "Show" buttons are for, so I don't see why people who want to use them wouldn't be allowed to say the time frame that they apply isn't enough for us.
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Russian Federation1607 Posts
Teamliquid is working like "Blizzard/David Kim" right now, when they do what they what instead of what the people want... Please, increase it to 3, 5 days, 1 week, or permanent at the best. Is it hard?
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It's easy to just not check team liquid til you have seen the games, it's really not that hard
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On February 18 2017 07:53 Jenia6109 wrote:Teamliquid is working like "Blizzard/David Kim" right now, when they do what they what instead of what the people want... Please, increase it to 3, 5 days, 1 week, or permanent at the best. Is it hard? Luckily we got a rich infrastructure already in place to handle this situation. We just replace "blizzard" with TL, David Kim with plexa and Activision with a sponsor of choice. So we can just insinuate that plexa is intellectually handicapped, and that TL is completely incompetent, selling out, encouraged by razer, and destroying StarCraft in the process. Buff mech.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Plexa confirmed killed SC2
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On a more serious note, combining with the feedback from here, to me it seems like the best way forward is: 1) Permanent spoilers 2) Spoiler/No spoiler toggle in upper left menu panel
Does this sound like an acceptable solution to people?
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On February 17 2017 19:40 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2017 19:35 ulfryc wrote:On February 17 2017 11:49 Cascade wrote: I mean, I agree that browsing TL is different from catching up on a game, and a lot of people use TL for things that are not related to recent games, but if you really want to remain unspoiled, I think the only safe way is to contain your TL-addiction until you've caught up. While that might be true, why else would you (re-)introduce a "Hide Spoilers" button? Of course TL staff can't go through forum threads and check which contains spoilers and such but I would at least expect them to flag spoilers in their front page news. For anyone wondering, herO & Ryung advance to Code S Round of 8, is still very visible on the front page right now, with "Hide Spoilers" activated. As said in the second post, the "No Spoilers" option hides spoilers for 24h. From our perspective we think this caters to the needs of most people. We could be wrong about that. Would people prefer the ability to have "no spoilers" mean anything that was marked a spoiler is always marked as a spoiler, rather than have the spoiler status removed after 24h? Also leaving this post here for visibility; Poll: No Spoilers OptionsLeave it at 24h (15) 20% Increase to 48h (8) 11% Permanent (53) 70% 76 total votes Your vote: No Spoilers Options (Vote): Leave it at 24h (Vote): Increase to 48h (Vote): Permanent
Just make it a custom field. People can set the number of days. Why set a value for everyone? E.g. someone in summer might have more time than now or vice-versa.
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why is this in sc2 instead of website feedback?
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On February 18 2017 10:55 Cricketer12 wrote: why is this in sc2 instead of website feedback? Visibility
On February 18 2017 10:34 Shield wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2017 19:40 Plexa wrote:On February 17 2017 19:35 ulfryc wrote:On February 17 2017 11:49 Cascade wrote: I mean, I agree that browsing TL is different from catching up on a game, and a lot of people use TL for things that are not related to recent games, but if you really want to remain unspoiled, I think the only safe way is to contain your TL-addiction until you've caught up. While that might be true, why else would you (re-)introduce a "Hide Spoilers" button? Of course TL staff can't go through forum threads and check which contains spoilers and such but I would at least expect them to flag spoilers in their front page news. For anyone wondering, herO & Ryung advance to Code S Round of 8, is still very visible on the front page right now, with "Hide Spoilers" activated. As said in the second post, the "No Spoilers" option hides spoilers for 24h. From our perspective we think this caters to the needs of most people. We could be wrong about that. Would people prefer the ability to have "no spoilers" mean anything that was marked a spoiler is always marked as a spoiler, rather than have the spoiler status removed after 24h? Also leaving this post here for visibility; Poll: No Spoilers OptionsLeave it at 24h (15) 20% Increase to 48h (8) 11% Permanent (53) 70% 76 total votes Your vote: No Spoilers Options (Vote): Leave it at 24h (Vote): Increase to 48h (Vote): Permanent
Just make it a custom field. People can set the number of days. Why set a value for everyone? E.g. someone in summer might have more time than now or vice-versa. Our experiences are that 80% of people use the default settings, and 80% of the remaining users will only ever set their preferences once. It's valuable having a default setting which caters to most people.
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Spoilers are for the weak.
If you haven't paid a witch to tell you when you'll die coward are thee.
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On February 18 2017 10:33 Plexa wrote:On a more serious note, combining with the feedback from here, to me it seems like the best way forward is: 1) Permanent spoilers 2) Spoiler/No spoiler toggle in upper left menu panel Does this sound like an acceptable solution to people?
Sounds good.
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Russian Federation1607 Posts
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On February 18 2017 06:58 Olli wrote: Speaking from the perspective of someone who writes news, it's frustrating if your content isn't read. News reporting already isn't much fun, and it's much less fun if some people never even come in contact with your work because they're forever hiding it behind a spoiler button.
My opinion here is that you should bookmark the GSL VOD site on Twitch, or the Afreeca Youtube Channel if you don't want to be spoiled 24h after a group has been played. Seriously, you wouldn't visit a Football related website a day after a game if you don't want to be spoiled, regardless of whether or not it has a forum built in. R/soccer doesn't care about spoilers, it has results right there in your face. There's enough ways to avoid being spoiled, writers shouldn't have their work hidden indefinitely just because you're too lazy to figure them out.
While I see your perspective as well, keep in mind that people come to this site for many different reasons than just Starcraft results. You might come here to see what streams are available, browse the general forum, read up on what's been going on in the community in general or any number of reasons. I haven't really watched any Starcraft VODs in a long time, so if the site has spoilers or not doesn't really matter to me, but it's obvious that it does to a number of people.
The whole "don't come here if you don't want to be spoiled" is a pretty silly statement in my opinion, are you really telling the users of the site not to come here anymore and go somewhere else? As noted by some people in this thread they don't have time watching the VODs every day, so if there are spoilers they are doing just what you recommend and don't come here at all. But then your articles won't be read either; it's not like they can come here and read them afterwards, because then they might be spoiled by the next one.
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On February 18 2017 11:27 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2017 10:55 Cricketer12 wrote: why is this in sc2 instead of website feedback? Visibility Show nested quote +On February 18 2017 10:34 Shield wrote:On February 17 2017 19:40 Plexa wrote:On February 17 2017 19:35 ulfryc wrote:On February 17 2017 11:49 Cascade wrote: I mean, I agree that browsing TL is different from catching up on a game, and a lot of people use TL for things that are not related to recent games, but if you really want to remain unspoiled, I think the only safe way is to contain your TL-addiction until you've caught up. While that might be true, why else would you (re-)introduce a "Hide Spoilers" button? Of course TL staff can't go through forum threads and check which contains spoilers and such but I would at least expect them to flag spoilers in their front page news. For anyone wondering, herO & Ryung advance to Code S Round of 8, is still very visible on the front page right now, with "Hide Spoilers" activated. As said in the second post, the "No Spoilers" option hides spoilers for 24h. From our perspective we think this caters to the needs of most people. We could be wrong about that. Would people prefer the ability to have "no spoilers" mean anything that was marked a spoiler is always marked as a spoiler, rather than have the spoiler status removed after 24h? Also leaving this post here for visibility; Poll: No Spoilers OptionsLeave it at 24h (15) 20% Increase to 48h (8) 11% Permanent (53) 70% 76 total votes Your vote: No Spoilers Options (Vote): Leave it at 24h (Vote): Increase to 48h (Vote): Permanent
Just make it a custom field. People can set the number of days. Why set a value for everyone? E.g. someone in summer might have more time than now or vice-versa. Our experiences are that 80% of people use the default settings, and 80% of the remaining users will only ever set their preferences once. It's valuable having a default setting which caters to most people.
I don't know about your statistics, but I can tell you that letting users define for themselves how many days they need is the better option. Anyone else agrees?
User A: 24h User B: 48h User C: 72h
24 =/= 48 =/= 72
Not everyone is equal and you'll always have people who complain. If you want to satisfy writers, then set time limit. For example, 1-2 weeks. In other words, you can pick from 1 hour to 168 hours. That should be good for most users and most writers.
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Anyone else have the cool new spoiler thing
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On February 18 2017 22:49 Kerence wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2017 06:58 Olli wrote: Speaking from the perspective of someone who writes news, it's frustrating if your content isn't read. News reporting already isn't much fun, and it's much less fun if some people never even come in contact with your work because they're forever hiding it behind a spoiler button.
My opinion here is that you should bookmark the GSL VOD site on Twitch, or the Afreeca Youtube Channel if you don't want to be spoiled 24h after a group has been played. Seriously, you wouldn't visit a Football related website a day after a game if you don't want to be spoiled, regardless of whether or not it has a forum built in. R/soccer doesn't care about spoilers, it has results right there in your face. There's enough ways to avoid being spoiled, writers shouldn't have their work hidden indefinitely just because you're too lazy to figure them out. While I see your perspective as well, keep in mind that people come to this site for many different reasons than just Starcraft results. You might come here to see what streams are available, browse the general forum, read up on what's been going on in the community in general or any number of reasons. I haven't really watched any Starcraft VODs in a long time, so if the site has spoilers or not doesn't really matter to me, but it's obvious that it does to a number of people. The whole "don't come here if you don't want to be spoiled" is a pretty silly statement in my opinion, are you really telling the users of the site not to come here anymore and go somewhere else? As noted by some people in this thread they don't have time watching the VODs every day, so if there are spoilers they are doing just what you recommend and don't come here at all. But then your articles won't be read either; it's not like they can come here and read them afterwards, because then they might be spoiled by the next one.
I support Kerences post. I should also add that the Football analogy isn`t really fair because most Football matches don`t have full VODs around.
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