I'll just skip watching USA matches. I'm sure they'll still get a lot of viewers for the drama.
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JabuSeika
United States607 Posts
I'll just skip watching USA matches. I'm sure they'll still get a lot of viewers for the drama. | ||
Elentos
55454 Posts
On March 13 2018 00:49 JabuSeika wrote: Avilo represents the absolute worst in toxic behavior. Dude literally stalks and harrases women out of the scene. I'll just skip watching USA matches. I'm sure they'll still get a lot of viewers for the drama. They only have 1 player so it probably won't be too many matches anyway. | ||
Carminedust
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Carminedust
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JabuSeika
United States607 Posts
On March 13 2018 00:51 Elentos wrote: They only have 1 player so it probably won't be too many matches anyway. I honestly wouldn't lose respect for Neeb if he pulled out. Why does he have to carry two streamers? Last time it was "funny haha, Nathanias made 100 workers, put it on reddit". Or "Nathanias said some funny things". I get why publicity wise that was good. But Neeb still had Puck to run some strats. What's the publicity now? What are the sponsors going to say when people pull out a clip of Avilo saying something against the SC2 Devs. Neeb's gonna put Avilo out there to mass ravens for 30 mins, and wear down his opponent? I'm willing to give the two streamers a chance, but it is still unfair on Neeb. | ||
ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
On March 12 2018 20:13 HsDLTitich wrote: Why do we need to give him a break, he didn't give a break to Maria and he made her runaway from the SC2 scene with his constant stalking and harrassment. But it's nice to see that our community already forgot that and condoned his behaviour, wohoo let's go mech god! And this is where you will continue to keep your mouth shut. I've kept up seeing comments popping up in last months of you, ESL ITALIA, attempting to perpetuate this. Which is where the conundrum comes in for me, because at this point Maria holds some responsibility to shut down people that are defaming me, like you and others, because now i will say this - what she did was irresponsible and ended up defaming both her and me. I highly suspect both you and another admin from ESL Italia, who's name I also have, were sexually harrassing Maria both during, and after IEM, most likely continuously telling her she cannot be involved in e-sports if she was involved with me because it would make ESL "look bad." You, and ESL Italia, a part of ESL have a dislike of me and apparently sexually harrassed Maria to the point you convinced her she could not be involved or seen with me otherwise "she wouldn't have a future in e-sports." The fact that i've seen you publicly comment even on reddit during and after the initial drama on my stream - "he was never in a relationship with her and is delusional" is beginning to be proof enough that you and ESL Italia were potentially the ones that advised Maria to lie on stream about ever dating me to save face after i found out she cheated on me. Considering you want to open your mouth now, and considering you are from the ESL Italia organization, considering Maria and I dated for 3 years, the day she lied about it she was talking to admins from ESL and was apparently advised by ESL to lie about being in a relationship with me to save face - also because she wanted to cover up the fact that she had massively cheated on me IRL. When i have people like you, and others, that are going to continue to push the narrative that i stalked and harrassed a girl, when you from ESL ITALIA know 100% different - there is now a problem and i can openly address it here now since you opened your stupid mouth. Myself and Maria mutually dated for 3 years. We talked everyday. She went to that IEM Katowice event, that voicemail was real. I knew she traveled with YOU to that event as part of ESL Italia because as i said, we were dating during all of that time and she told me everything. She told and showed me everything, including personal pictures that she had taken as well. After this event occurred, because of either what she did at this event, or what ESL ITALIA people were influencing her to do so that she could "be involved in e-sports", she then stupidly told me she could not have "<3 David" in her twitter. LOL Does this sound familiar to you? This might sound stupid to some people, but this is only the rabbit hole of e-sports cancer and toxicity that people like you bring onto others personal relationships, all in the sake of "working in e-sports." You cannot be completely oblivious that she was dating me that entire time because everyone in SC2 already publicly knew this back then, and she traveled to that event with you, an ESL ITALIA admin - nor will I allow you or anyone else to defame me any further with claims from you, AN ESL ITALIA ADMIN, that are completely false, and propagated by the fact Maria lied, apparently cheated on me, and lied to everyone else in this community. I never pushed Maria away from the SC2 scene - she did that herself by lying to me and everyone else to cover up the fact that she had cheated on me. If you as an ESL ITALIA REPRESENTATIVE AND ESL EMPLOYEE think it's a good idea to continue to PUBLICLY push this narrative that i'm a stalker and was harrassing a woman that i was dating, then i certainly hope you do not represent ESL in any way, shape, or form. You want to talk toxic in e-sports? Organizations like ESL Italia that have people like you that sexually harrass a known SC2 player's GF and attempt to tell them "hey you can't be involved with us in e-sports" if you're in association with "avilo" so stop dating him or you're not going further than this - you are the truely toxic mother fuckers in this scene, and there are people like you in every type of scene and business that exist that think you can do whatever the fuck you want, lie to get ahead, abuse power to bring other people down, etc. If any of the above is not true, then you can claim to be oblivious but how likely is that considering you traveled with her to that event? Let me go far to the other way and assume you are just an internet white knight that believes everything a woman says - if it is the case you were lied to and convinced by Maria herself that she was not dating me and you simply know of everything from an outside perspective - the fact is Maria still lied and is pushing people like you to defame me due to lying about us not being in a relationship. I find that highly unlikely though. But this stops now. You and your alt accounts here, twitch, reddit, wherever else are not going to push stalker/harrassment shit onto me when you are from goddamn ESL ITALIA and representing them and ESL. I have no doubt over the past 8 months you and others involved were the ones continuously trying to push this bullshit, and it stops today. You do not speak a word of Maria, let alone about me when i took insults, defamation, and bullshit for countless months after August simply to protect her despite the fact i had found out she cheated on me IRL. You and other people in this community did not even realize or understand we made up and were still talking after that but apparently she is just a bold faced liar all around and did not want to admit we were back together, didn't want to face responsibility for lying to an entire community, etc. Is there anything else you'd like to address about stalking/harrassment ESL Italia representative? There was NEVER any of that from my side, because myself and her mutually dated for 3 years, and continued to even after the drama in august. Now, ESL Italia, from your side of things, it seems very much the opposite. Do you, an official person from ESL Italia, want to continue to attempt to defame me? | ||
eDatingStud
1 Post
On March 13 2018 04:20 avilo wrote: And this is where you will continue to keep your mouth shut. I've kept up seeing comments popping up in last months of you, ESL ITALIA, attempting to perpetuate this. Which is where the conundrum comes in for me, because at this point Maria holds some responsibility to shut down people that are defaming me, like you and others, because now i will say this - what she did was irresponsible and ended up defaming both her and me. I highly suspect both you and another admin from ESL Italia, who's name I also have, were sexually harrassing Maria both during, and after IEM, most likely continuously telling her she cannot be involved in e-sports if she was involved with me because it would make ESL "look bad." You, and ESL Italia, a part of ESL have a dislike of me and apparently sexually harrassed Maria to the point you convinced her she could not be involved or seen with me otherwise "she wouldn't have a future in e-sports." The fact that i've seen you publicly comment even on reddit during and after the initial drama on my stream - "he was never in a relationship with her and is delusional" is beginning to be proof enough that you and ESL Italia were potentially the ones that advised Maria to lie on stream about ever dating me to save face after i found out she cheated on me. Considering you want to open your mouth now, and considering you are from the ESL Italia organization, considering Maria and I dated for 3 years, the day she lied about it she was talking to admins from ESL and was apparently advised by ESL to lie about being in a relationship with me to save face - also because she wanted to cover up the fact that she had massively cheated on me IRL. When i have people like you, and others, that are going to continue to push the narrative that i stalked and harrassed a girl, when you from ESL ITALIA know 100% different - there is now a problem and i can openly address it here now since you opened your stupid mouth. Myself and Maria mutually dated for 3 years. We talked everyday. She went to that IEM Katowice event, that voicemail was real. I knew she traveled with YOU to that event as part of ESL Italia because as i said, we were dating during all of that time and she told me everything. She told and showed me everything, including personal pictures that she had taken as well. After this event occurred, because of either what she did at this event, or what ESL ITALIA people were influencing her to do so that she could "be involved in e-sports", she then stupidly told me she could not have "<3 David" in her twitter. LOL Does this sound familiar to you? This might sound stupid to some people, but this is only the rabbit hole of e-sports cancer and toxicity that people like you bring onto others personal relationships, all in the sake of "working in e-sports." You cannot be completely oblivious that she was dating me that entire time because everyone in SC2 already publicly knew this back then, and she traveled to that event with you, an ESL ITALIA admin - nor will I allow you or anyone else to defame me any further with claims from you, AN ESL ITALIA ADMIN, that are completely false, and propagated by the fact Maria lied, apparently cheated on me, and lied to everyone else in this community. I never pushed Maria away from the SC2 scene - she did that herself by lying to me and everyone else to cover up the fact that she had cheated on me. If you as an ESL ITALIA REPRESENTATIVE AND ESL EMPLOYEE think it's a good idea to continue to PUBLICLY push this narrative that i'm a stalker and was harrassing a woman that i was dating, then i certainly hope you do not represent ESL in any way, shape, or form. You want to talk toxic in e-sports? Organizations like ESL Italia that have people like you that sexually harrass a known SC2 player's GF and attempt to tell them "hey you can't be involved with us in e-sports" if you're in association with "avilo" so stop dating him or you're not going further than this - you are the truely toxic mother fuckers in this scene, and there are people like you in every type of scene and business that exist that think you can do whatever the fuck you want, lie to get ahead, abuse power to bring other people down, etc. If any of the above is not true, then you can claim to be oblivious but how likely is that considering you traveled with her to that event? Let me go far to the other way and assume you are just an internet white knight that believes everything a woman says - if it is the case you were lied to and convinced by Maria herself that she was not dating me and you simply know of everything from an outside perspective - the fact is Maria still lied and is pushing people like you to defame me due to lying about us not being in a relationship. I find that highly unlikely though. But this stops now. You and your alt accounts here, twitch, reddit, wherever else are not going to push stalker/harrassment shit onto me when you are from goddamn ESL ITALIA and representing them and ESL. I have no doubt over the past 8 months you and others involved were the ones continuously trying to push this bullshit, and it stops today. You do not speak a word of Maria, let alone about me when i took insults, defamation, and bullshit for countless months after August simply to protect her despite the fact i had found out she cheated on me IRL. You and other people in this community did not even realize or understand we made up and were still talking after that but apparently she is just a bold faced liar all around and did not want to admit we were back together, didn't want to face responsibility for lying to an entire community, etc. Is there anything else you'd like to address about stalking/harrassment ESL Italia representative? There was NEVER any of that from my side, because myself and her mutually dated for 3 years, and continued to even after the drama in august. Now, ESL Italia, from your side of things, it seems very much the opposite. Do you, an official person from ESL Italia, want to continue to attempt to defame me? I remember you once told Destiny you had "one or two" girlfriends. I'm assuming the other one was Sassy. Why do you only go for girls that are online, could be doing anything during the day that you can't confirm because you're not meeting them, and that you can't even be sure are real? Why put up with this when you can just go out and meet a woman irl? It's certainly not too hard and it's better than putting up with all this. Online girlfriends is something people in their early teens do. User was banned for this post. | ||
HsDLTitich
Italy824 Posts
If you dated her for three years, mind to post some pictures of you two together? | ||
BigFan
TLADT24917 Posts
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Tyrhanius
France947 Posts
On March 13 2018 00:49 JabuSeika wrote: Avilo represents the absolute worst in toxic behavior I've seen in the scene personally. I'll just skip watching USA matches. I'm sure they'll still get a lot of viewers for the drama. I think everyone could have fun watching avilo playing : the one who likes him will see him play the one who hates him will probably see him be humiliated | ||
TentativePanda
United States742 Posts
Also: Avilo situation one of the str8 up weirdest things ever lmao | ||
pvsnp
7676 Posts
On March 13 2018 05:04 Tyrhanius wrote: I think everyone could have fun watching avilo playing : the one who likes him will see him play the one who hates him will probably see him be humiliated Wasn't this the reasoning that Catz used as well? I agree that avilo will bring in more viewers, even if it's only people that want to see him lose. Hell, just look at how much attention Nation Wars is getting already, and the tournament hasn't even started yet. Some people are taking this way too seriously. Avilo is representing the US in SC2, not in the presidency. Perspective. | ||
ganil
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JabuSeika
United States607 Posts
On March 13 2018 05:12 pvsnp wrote: I agree that avilo will bring in more viewers, even if it's only people that want to see him lose. Hell, just look at how much attention Nation Wars is getting already, and the tournament hasn't even started yet. As a viewer I would want the most competitive matches possible. | ||
ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
On March 13 2018 05:42 JabuSeika wrote: As a viewer I would want the most competitive matches possible. That's not what nation wars is about. If it was, the competitors would not be decided by a voting system but rather mmr. | ||
Azhrak
Finland1182 Posts
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blunderfulguy
United States1412 Posts
On March 13 2018 05:42 JabuSeika wrote: As a viewer I would want the most competitive matches possible. ...and not all attention can be good attention. Attention =/= good attention. Popularity =/= positivity. Drama =/= positive community growth, especially when people causing the drama are continuing to harass people or, at the very least, start arguments all around the community that tend to quickly turn sour. A bunch of supporters of the situation compare it to when Idra was around and assume Idra = more viewers = better for everyone and this is the same thing, or believe that the scene needs to have a villain or what-have-you, or claim that someone who is known to have been toxic for years (or the "character they play" on stream and social media and forums has been toxic for years) is "perfectly normal" and claim their behavior is completely acceptable and it's okay for them to be popular... All of that is just bullshit. Idra and his popularity weren't built on a foundation of toxic behavior, they were built on his competitive attitude and skill and grew with, sure, drama, but also his team, teammates, rivals in competition, and national pride in the community, all of which were strengthened by the larger amount of coverage and discussion happening at the time. There was a lot of drama, a lot of story lines, a lot of toxicity, but there were also a lot of games, and a lot of good games. We should also be aware of how much more immature the StarCraft community and esports as a whole were back then compared to now, and think about how acceptable certain kinds of behavior should be now. And, to me, there are few acceptable things happening amidst a sea of unacceptable, toxic (and downright horrible) bullshit (from all over the place, but for a long time and most recently centered around one person/"character") that, despite how much I look forward to these events, I am quickly losing interest in this one. I can hope that good things come around for the other players, streamers, and community as a whole, but if so many people continue acting as if everything is sunshine and lollipops and praising one of the most toxic pieces of the community as a righteous deity, then how good is this event really going to be for everyone over the next few months. And which direction are things going to head in the long run... Sigh, long-winded blabbing over. TLDR: I'm disappointed in a lot of things, though I have never been one for drama or negativity anyway. | ||
Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8768 Posts
Taiwan-Russia As the stand out match for me | ||
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