So apparently twitch.tv decided to change the range of resolutions (240p-1080p) to low, medium, high and source.
Now, every time I turn on a stream, it gets laggy and choppy, even in low. What bothers me the most is that medium and high dont even look any good at all, obviously still better than low but i get blurry. High looks like what I used to get with 360p-480p tbh. This didnt happend before this new options came out.
So my question is. does buying the $8.99 twitch.tv subscription solves this or am i royally screwed ?
The subscription's not gonna change your connection to server, it just removes ads etc, no?
AFAIK, low, med, high is just renamed 360p, 480p, 720p transcodes, exactly the same thing, but i may be wrong about that, if there was a memo then i missed it
On August 29 2013 10:07 Cyro wrote: The subscription's not gonna change your connection to server, it just removes ads etc, no?
AFAIK, low, med, high is just renamed 360p, 480p, 720p transcodes, exactly the same thing, but i may be wrong about that, if there was a memo then i missed it
If thats so, it mades 480p = medium, but i had a really nice stream at 480p, while I cant get medium to be continous and not blurry. I only had trouble with 720p+ at peak hours, but 480p was fine all the time. Again my connection hasnt change, I can see youtube and other streaming sites as I always do, just twitch is giving me a hard time TT
Twitch posted some info about the revamp on their blog:
We’ll soon be changing our transcode labels from 240p/360p/etc, to “Low,” “Medium,” and “High.” Live (the actual quality set in your broadcast software) will continue being an option on web as long as partners are sending us an excellent quality stream, and will be renamed to “Source.” This is for a number of reasons, primarily to unify the Twitch experience across all platforms. We also want to shift viewers away from the idea that broadcasting at a higher resolution (without considering bitrates, framerates, hardware resources, etc) automatically translates to higher quality, which is what the current labels tend to do. Traditionally lower-res broadcasters, such as those in the speedrunning and retro gaming communities, should find this change especially beneficial as they’ll be receiving three transcodes regardless of their resolution.
There is more information in the full post, but it looks like they're changing up a lot of stuff to improve the service in the future.
As to your issues, have you tried viewing the streams in a different browser? Flash fully updated? Could be something to do with the encodes perhaps.
This new change is terrible, at least have a "very low" for people that can only watch 240p. There is no reason to get rid of it if providers still have such ridiculous throttling policies like mine.
On August 29 2013 15:16 Xarell wrote: This new change is terrible, at least have a "very low" for people that can only watch 240p. There is no reason to get rid of it if providers still have such ridiculous throttling policies like mine.
Low is 240p for sure. It is way worse than 360p was.
Edit: Just out of interest: Where in Germany is there a provider with bandwidth throttling?
All Twitch did with the new coding is make it like YouTube, and also create the opportunity for streamers who have ridiculous connections (extreme i mean) to stream ABOVE 1080p, ala Swifty and his 4k resolution stream of HearthStone.
In all if your lagging on Twitch it most likely is your end. If it is not your end, try refreshing the page and that in a sense (what i was told) resets your server your connecting through and you might get a useful one. When Twitch is "overloaded" per se you are relocated to connect to a US server which is where the lag issues become apparent (from what i know)
The way it seems to work for me is when i start watching a streamer from under 1000 viewers when he is just starting i can watch in Source without a problem (no lag/stutter anything) however if i join when he is 1000 plus or even refresh the page Source becomes laggy and have issues and i have to switch to High. The main problem for this is it switches you to silly US servers and you have to constantly refresh and change around until you find the right one.
Also i believe Twitch are in the process of opening up more servers in Europe as they are aware of this issue (See the Twitter owner AMA on Reddit like 6 weeks ago)
On August 29 2013 20:17 Pandemona wrote: All Twitch did with the new coding is make it like YouTube, and also create the opportunity for streamers who have ridiculous connections (extreme i mean) to stream ABOVE 1080p, ala Swifty and his 4k resolution stream of HearthStone.
In all if your lagging on Twitch it most likely is your end. If it is not your end, try refreshing the page and that in a sense (what i was told) resets your server your connecting through and you might get a useful one. When Twitch is "overloaded" per se you are relocated to connect to a US server which is where the lag issues become apparent (from what i know)
The way it seems to work for me is when i start watching a streamer from under 1000 viewers when he is just starting i can watch in Source without a problem (no lag/stutter anything) however if i join when he is 1000 plus or even refresh the page Source becomes laggy and have issues and i have to switch to High. The main problem for this is it switches you to silly US servers and you have to constantly refresh and change around until you find the right one.
Also i believe Twitch are in the process of opening up more servers in Europe as they are aware of this issue (See the Twitter owner AMA on Reddit like 6 weeks ago)
How do you see the server your on ? Because sometimes twitch works really well at 1080+ and sometimes it stutters at 480, so i might have this issue as well.
You can't see the server on, im guessing that when it is not lagging on max your on an European based server and if your lagging yet your other internet applications are not then it is probable your on a US server. This is what i have been told from many people from Twitch Admins to the AMA i was on about in the thread.
The ability to find our what server your connected to is beyond my knowledge but other people might be able to help us identify that.
On August 29 2013 20:17 Pandemona wrote: All Twitch did with the new coding is make it like YouTube, and also create the opportunity for streamers who have ridiculous connections (extreme i mean) to stream ABOVE 1080p, ala Swifty and his 4k resolution stream of HearthStone.
In all if your lagging on Twitch it most likely is your end. If it is not your end, try refreshing the page and that in a sense (what i was told) resets your server your connecting through and you might get a useful one. When Twitch is "overloaded" per se you are relocated to connect to a US server which is where the lag issues become apparent (from what i know)
The way it seems to work for me is when i start watching a streamer from under 1000 viewers when he is just starting i can watch in Source without a problem (no lag/stutter anything) however if i join when he is 1000 plus or even refresh the page Source becomes laggy and have issues and i have to switch to High. The main problem for this is it switches you to silly US servers and you have to constantly refresh and change around until you find the right one.
Also i believe Twitch are in the process of opening up more servers in Europe as they are aware of this issue (See the Twitter owner AMA on Reddit like 6 weeks ago)
How do you see the server your on ? Because sometimes twitch works really well at 1080+ and sometimes it stutters at 480, so i might have this issue as well.
You can't see it directly. You can open up the Ressourcemonitor in Windows and then go to the Network-Tab and check out, which server uses the Flash Plugin. In my case video6-2.fra01.justin.iv
On August 29 2013 20:17 Pandemona wrote: All Twitch did with the new coding is make it like YouTube, and also create the opportunity for streamers who have ridiculous connections (extreme i mean) to stream ABOVE 1080p, ala Swifty and his 4k resolution stream of HearthStone.
In all if your lagging on Twitch it most likely is your end. If it is not your end, try refreshing the page and that in a sense (what i was told) resets your server your connecting through and you might get a useful one. When Twitch is "overloaded" per se you are relocated to connect to a US server which is where the lag issues become apparent (from what i know)
The way it seems to work for me is when i start watching a streamer from under 1000 viewers when he is just starting i can watch in Source without a problem (no lag/stutter anything) however if i join when he is 1000 plus or even refresh the page Source becomes laggy and have issues and i have to switch to High. The main problem for this is it switches you to silly US servers and you have to constantly refresh and change around until you find the right one.
Also i believe Twitch are in the process of opening up more servers in Europe as they are aware of this issue (See the Twitter owner AMA on Reddit like 6 weeks ago)
How do you see the server your on ? Because sometimes twitch works really well at 1080+ and sometimes it stutters at 480, so i might have this issue as well.
You can't see it directly. You can open up the Ressourcemonitor in Windows and then go to the Network-Tab and check out, which server uses the Flash Plugin. In my case video6-2.fra01.justin.iv
As of right now morning (non-peak hours) its fine on medium. But i used to be fine with 720p in the mornings. I did speed test net, nothings change about my connection. Its gotta be something about the new coding or whaever they did, the quality is overall wors unless high or source (if source is 720p+). Maybe for those of you that have 23795620358762350788mbs of download speed it doesnt matter, but for the rest of us it does TT.
You have to use Peak hours for America Peru as that is where the servers are based (the majority) they have a few in Europe and i don't think they have any anywhere else. With the new consoles coming out im sure they promised both Sony and Microsoft that there will be more servers being put up around europe and america. But as of right now your best bet is to refresh until you get the best you can. Being outside of US and Europe though i can see it being pretty bad as Twitch is just awful at the wrong times at the moment.
Not sure what twitch did but I just cannot watch any streams anymore. Changing quality surprisingly does nothing (stuttering occurs on both chrome and firefox). The vods work just fine and no lagg at all. It just stutters whenever I start watching. I know itmejp complained of lagg and when I tried today, same issue. Really hope whatever person spilled the coffee on their machines gets this sorted out.
Same problem here, before I could easily watch 2 1080p streams at the same time, now I sometimes get videostutter watching one medium-stream ... very awkward ...
Getting new servers is sweet when the service doesn't work for periods of 6 months or more at a time.. if the new servers actually make the service work
I used to max two streams and run several more at lower qualities, my net's fine, solid 7mbit down, wired, no jitter/packet loss low ping, it's rare for a low quality stream not to stutter like this and on higher qualities i gave up watching League of Legends entirely after it's a coinflip if i will actually be able to watch a fight or if the stream will freeze and player count go from 10 to 4 before it unfreezes, not fun or exciting to watch any esport game like this at all
I could give a ton of different stats, but that would only be useful if the issues were related to my system/isp etc, seems if you want stats from twitch that doesn't work properly you just have to go to almost any PC in western europe and type in the url
Same story .... was running multiple streams at 720+, now even a single "medium" has issues. It is all about the CDN, ISP, and peering. Something under their new setup is putting the stream data either at a lower priority, or making packets too large so they are clipping the bottleneck 'caps' that systems use to regulate usage for thousands (millions) of users at major nodes.
Biggest frustration is with the fact they already had these types of problems under their old coding, so they new this was likely to be an issue upon the change, and they did not adequately prepare for it. Even the roll out came sloppily and with little forecasting to the community.
Used to use 360p on crappy connections and it looked ok
Now I use 'Low' and it looks worse, & cant use medium on crappy connections. Sucks twitch is slightly worse now but at least it hasn't been stuttering!
so they new this was likely to be an issue upon the change, and they did not adequately prepare for it. Even the roll out came sloppily and with little forecasting to the community.
It's been a problem for a lot longer than that
Used to use 360p on crappy connections and it looked ok
I was under the impression that the lag shown in the video by Cyro differed from the new rampant lag. At least for myself, the audio does not continue on while video freezes (which was actually not that bad). With me, when ever I watch any stream (regardless of resolution), it freezes every literally every two seconds.
It baffles me to how much of a screwup this has bee. I use to watch 1080p equivelent streams on one monitor while playing online or other things just fine. Now, I cannot watch anything. I can only rely on Vods now (which run perfect),
Twitch is pretty much unwatchable to me now. The weird thing is that this only started about two days ago for me. When Twitch rolled out the new options everything was working fine, but recently every stream is lagging for me. And its only on Twitch, I can watch streams perfectly fine on Youtube, I can also stream Twitch vods on 1080p. Twitch is fucking up man.
On September 05 2013 11:27 Nilrem wrote: It baffles me to how much of a screwup this has bee. I use to watch 1080p equivelent streams on one monitor while playing online or other things just fine. Now, I cannot watch anything. I can only rely on Vods now (which run perfect),
Same position i am in as well. And if you try to get support from twitch they blame your ISP..
I was under the impression that the lag shown in the video by Cyro differed from the new rampant lag. At least for myself, the audio does not continue on while video freezes (which was actually not that bad). With me, when ever I watch any stream (regardless of resolution), it freezes every literally every two seconds.
It was just an example, i get all kinds of issues and have done for a really really long time
new twitch sucks for me too. funny thing is it doesn't lag on source. but high and med stutters like crazy. low is okay, but crap quality. problem is most leagues force you to pay for source stream. so due to lag, i've stopped watching most starcraft 2 tourneys now. and i hate moba games. so i'm out of esports for now until they get their shit together.
About a week ago I could run two "source" streams easily on different windows, or play sc2 while running a source stream, now I can barely watch a single low stream Also, YouTube is the same as before so I don't think it's on my end..
Yeah, I agree. Twitch used to work fine, now for some reason everything looks way worse (low for example is a joke, how can anyone watch this?) and is still lagging. I even try to run streams on low (so I can listen to them) but they are still lagging most of the time while everything else works fine..
Well, glad to hear at lot of people seem to have the same problems so maybe twitch will fix this?
I'd like to add my voice to this. Twitch has, in just the past week or so, become unbearable to watch. It stutters every 4-5 seconds, and I've exhausted every option google has offered for a fix. I do like to watch my streams, but unless this issue gets resolved, vods are the only option. No more watching streamers, and gonna use vods for tournaments.
On September 05 2013 03:42 Cyro wrote: Getting new servers is sweet when the service doesn't work for periods of 6 months or more at a time.. if the new servers actually make the service work
I used to max two streams and run several more at lower qualities, my net's fine, solid 7mbit down, wired, no jitter/packet loss low ping, it's rare for a low quality stream not to stutter like this and on higher qualities i gave up watching League of Legends entirely after it's a coinflip if i will actually be able to watch a fight or if the stream will freeze and player count go from 10 to 4 before it unfreezes, not fun or exciting to watch any esport game like this at all
I could give a ton of different stats, but that would only be useful if the issues were related to my system/isp etc, seems if you want stats from twitch that doesn't work properly you just have to go to almost any PC in western europe and type in the url
Lag confirmed, and I have 65 MB connection constant (at very low is ~10MB on Saturdays when everyone is online). Even worse, I used to watch streams on Samsung SmartTV quite good (restarting browser every 2 hours or so, but quite normal since Flash leaks memory and tv have only 768 MB of memory). But now 99.99% of streams on SmartTV are displaying Loading channel data... or Loading video... (2 messages, same shit) and stream never loads. TV is using the same wifi connection (which worked good) with my Win7 powerbox, so net is not an issue. (Even more - tv streams normally other provider such as Dailymotion/Gamecreds).
Just to follow-up, I'm on Century Link. Don't know if its an ISP problem or if Century Link just has a lot of customers. There are lots of posts on this issue on Twitch Help, including:
I have this problem too. Hilarious, I'm watching a stream with 26 people and I lag every 4 seconds for 2-3 seconds. However, when I'm up past midnight, I can watch low populated streams no problem. 99% sure this problem is on twitch's end after running glasnost tests to see if my ISP is limiting my bandwidth, and it turns out they aren't.
I found a fix for me, it requires you running streams through VLC, but so far no lag. Credit goes to this video I stumbled across:
Download livestreamer-1.5.2-win32-setup.exe from https://github.com/chrippa/livestreamer/releases. Run it and it will install, it won't create a directory. Now download VLC if you don't have it already. Now go into your command prompt and type without quotes "livestreamer" it will bring up all the commands and examples. I'll use Day9 as an tutorial.
Command Prompt:
(add a space or it won't recognize the command)> livestreamer
now it will ask you which quality you want to choose and list them for you. Once you decide you type it in like this: > livestreamer http://www.twitch.tv/day9tv mobile_high or > livestreamer http://www.twitch.tv/day9tv source
then it will take a second and launch the stream in VLC. Prior to the twitch change I could watch streams like Merlini(1200p+) and multiple 1080p streams at a time with no lag. Since the change everything is laggy. I tried this using mobile_high setting(you can use source as well if you want to go higher, I just tried mobile_high to see if it'd work to begin with) and it's been running as I've typed this message flawlessly for the last 10 minutes. The livestreamer has the source code available if you need to check it out, but this is definitely a fix, granted a bit of an inconvenience. However, since twitch hasn't changed whatever they screwed up so far despite reading several threads on Reddit and this one, I'd imagine we're somehow in the minority of people having problems. Anyways, check it out and enjoy.
Note: you have to leave the command prompt open or it'll shut down the stream.
I have this problem too. Hilarious, I'm watching a stream with 26 people and I lag every 4 seconds for 2-3 seconds. However, when I'm up past midnight, I can watch low populated streams no problem. 99% sure this problem is on twitch's end after running glasnost tests to see if my ISP is limiting my bandwidth, and it turns out they aren't.
I found a fix for me, it requires you running streams through VLC, but so far no lag. Credit goes to this video I stumbled across: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbWWRcMOFN0
Download livestreamer-1.5.2-win32-setup.exe from https://github.com/chrippa/livestreamer/releases. Run it and it will install, it won't create a directory. Now download VLC if you don't have it already. Now go into your command prompt and type without quotes "livestreamer" it will bring up all the commands and examples. I'll use Day9 as an tutorial.
Command Prompt:
(add a space or it won't recognize the command)> livestreamer
now it will ask you which quality you want to choose and list them for you. Once you decide you type it in like this: > livestreamer http://www.twitch.tv/day9tv mobile_high or > livestreamer http://www.twitch.tv/day9tv source
then it will take a second and launch the stream in VLC. Prior to the twitch change I could watch streams like Merlini(1200p+) and multiple 1080p streams at a time with no lag. Since the change everything is laggy. I tried this using mobile_high setting(you can use source as well if you want to go higher, I just tried mobile_high to see if it'd work to begin with) and it's been running as I've typed this message flawlessly for the last 10 minutes. The livestreamer has the source code available if you need to check it out, but this is definitely a fix, granted a bit of an inconvenience. However, since twitch hasn't changed whatever they screwed up so far despite reading several threads on Reddit and this one, I'd imagine we're somehow in the minority of people having problems. Anyways, check it out and enjoy.
Note: you have to leave the command prompt open or it'll shut down the stream.
OMG thank you so much for posting that. Regular options still lagging for some reason but setting it to mobile works perfectly. Hope twitch gets this fixed soon.
On September 08 2013 17:11 Enders116 wrote: Does the above fix block ads or no? Because I honestly want to support streamers.
The saddest part is my connection speed is 70up/70down (MB both ways, actually) and I still have video choke.
You could always just leave the regular stream on low and mute it in the background. I was watching a streamer that usually doesn't run ads so I'm not sure. It probably does block them though.
I have this problem too. Hilarious, I'm watching a stream with 26 people and I lag every 4 seconds for 2-3 seconds. However, when I'm up past midnight, I can watch low populated streams no problem. 99% sure this problem is on twitch's end after running glasnost tests to see if my ISP is limiting my bandwidth, and it turns out they aren't.
I found a fix for me, it requires you running streams through VLC, but so far no lag. Credit goes to this video I stumbled across: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbWWRcMOFN0
Download livestreamer-1.5.2-win32-setup.exe from https://github.com/chrippa/livestreamer/releases. Run it and it will install, it won't create a directory. Now download VLC if you don't have it already. Now go into your command prompt and type without quotes "livestreamer" it will bring up all the commands and examples. I'll use Day9 as an tutorial.
Command Prompt:
(add a space or it won't recognize the command)> livestreamer
now it will ask you which quality you want to choose and list them for you. Once you decide you type it in like this: > livestreamer http://www.twitch.tv/day9tv mobile_high or > livestreamer http://www.twitch.tv/day9tv source
then it will take a second and launch the stream in VLC. Prior to the twitch change I could watch streams like Merlini(1200p+) and multiple 1080p streams at a time with no lag. Since the change everything is laggy. I tried this using mobile_high setting(you can use source as well if you want to go higher, I just tried mobile_high to see if it'd work to begin with) and it's been running as I've typed this message flawlessly for the last 10 minutes. The livestreamer has the source code available if you need to check it out, but this is definitely a fix, granted a bit of an inconvenience. However, since twitch hasn't changed whatever they screwed up so far despite reading several threads on Reddit and this one, I'd imagine we're somehow in the minority of people having problems. Anyways, check it out and enjoy.
Note: you have to leave the command prompt open or it'll shut down the stream.
OMG thank you so much for posting that. Regular options still lagging for some reason but setting it to mobile works perfectly. Hope twitch gets this fixed soon.
No problem I'm glad I could help someone else in the same situation. Also to the other poster, I do just leave the stream open and muted in the background because I like to use the chat occasionally as well as show support.
You could also always try Livestreamer. It's a program that directly connects to a twitch stream (outside your browser) and dumps it to VLC (or other similar players). They have a nice tutorial going on their website which you'll probably need because it's not exactly intuitive to set up for non-computer nerds.
You get just as much lag with it using the Low/Medium/High options, but you can also use it to watch transcodes for mobile, which are much more stable for me. As far as I know, mobile_high is a high-bitrate 720p stream and I hardly ever get lag from it.
On September 08 2013 11:35 bjwithbraces wrote: I have this problem too. Hilarious, I'm watching a stream with 26 people and I lag every 4 seconds for 2-3 seconds. However, when I'm up past midnight, I can watch low populated streams no problem. 99% sure this problem is on twitch's end after running glasnost tests to see if my ISP is limiting my bandwidth, and it turns out they aren't.
I found a fix for me, it requires you running streams through VLC, but so far no lag. Credit goes to this video I stumbled across: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbWWRcMOFN0
Download livestreamer-1.5.2-win32-setup.exe from https://github.com/chrippa/livestreamer/releases. Run it and it will install, it won't create a directory. Now download VLC if you don't have it already. Now go into your command prompt and type without quotes "livestreamer" it will bring up all the commands and examples. I'll use Day9 as an tutorial.
Command Prompt:
(add a space or it won't recognize the command)> livestreamer
now it will ask you which quality you want to choose and list them for you. Once you decide you type it in like this: > livestreamer http://www.twitch.tv/day9tv mobile_high or > livestreamer http://www.twitch.tv/day9tv source
then it will take a second and launch the stream in VLC. Prior to the twitch change I could watch streams like Merlini(1200p+) and multiple 1080p streams at a time with no lag. Since the change everything is laggy. I tried this using mobile_high setting(you can use source as well if you want to go higher, I just tried mobile_high to see if it'd work to begin with) and it's been running as I've typed this message flawlessly for the last 10 minutes. The livestreamer has the source code available if you need to check it out, but this is definitely a fix, granted a bit of an inconvenience. However, since twitch hasn't changed whatever they screwed up so far despite reading several threads on Reddit and this one, I'd imagine we're somehow in the minority of people having problems. Anyways, check it out and enjoy.
Note: you have to leave the command prompt open or it'll shut down the stream.
This actually works. Adds a few steps to stream viewing, but it's nice to know that I actually can watch streams. Thanks!
Edit: No ads with it, though. Sucks that we can't support the streamers we like, but this is so far the only option I've seen that makes the streams watchable.
I'm getting it too. I cannot watch streams even on the lowest possible setting without getting a slideshow. And this is coming from being able to watch multiple 720p streams at the same time not weeks ago. I tried the VLC player thing and it was not any better either.
This sucks a lot, and yeah I'm on Century Link as well.
Hey guys, I've been following posts on this problem for about two weeks now as I have also been suffering from lag with the exact symptoms described in other posts (such as horribly lagging only during certain hours of the day and no positive effect from lowering the quality as of recently). No suggested solutions that I've found have worked for me so far, including those posted in this thread.
I have however found out that by opening a second stream, the lag on both streams instantly disappears for me, even on source. If the second streamer goes offline or I leave the stream, terrible lag instantly returns to the first stream, so I leave a second stream muted in the background now. I have no idea why this works for me, but perhaps anyone else has any luck with this solution? No harm trying if you haven't. Good luck.
Live streamer doesn't help for me either. Using centurylink as well - 12 down - 1up. Used to watch at least 2 720p streams at once with no problems but recently even low stutters.
On September 09 2013 10:32 GwSC wrote: ^That didn't do anything for me. The livestreamer method that was posted above isn't working either anymore Siiiiigh.
I just checked and Livestreamer still works for me. Did you call Livestreamer with 360p/480p/720p as the resolution option? Because those don't exist anymore, and it will just crap out when it doesn't find the stream; you'll need to give it one of Low, Medium, High or best (capitalisation is important, high or Best will not work!)
I hope your error was that simple, because then that fixes it
The streams I've been using required me to put in mobile_high for the quality, and they've been working fine. Only stream lag issues now are normal ones that every once in a while occur, like a little stutter every 5 minutes. I haven't found anything else that works. Btw, also Century link, 20 down, but I'm pretty certain it's on Twitch's end at this point, as I don't have a problem on any other streaming site.
Twitch finally seems to be fixed for me. Twitch was tweeting about working with Centurylink to fix lag in SW United States, and it seems to have worked. Obviously not everyone having issues is in the SW US, or even on Centurylink. Is it fixed for anyone else that was posting in here?
i started getting similar lag to you guys last night (freezing every 2-4 seconds on every computer in the house and every browser), and using the vlc work around with mobile_high setting works for me. I live in austin, tx btw.
Same here. Everything used to work fine 1080p, no problem. Now i get problems on high almost constantly and the rest is just kinda unwatchable. Same thing happened to a friend in germany so i kinda doubt it's up to my end :/
edit:tried using the vlc method described earlier, but it says that livestreamer doesn't recognize that vlc is installed. Anyone had this problem before?
On September 16 2013 01:02 Kotreb wrote: Same here. Everything used to work fine 1080p, no problem. Now i get problems on high almost constantly and the rest is just kinda unwatchable. Same thing happened to a friend in germany so i kinda doubt it's up to my end :/
edit:tried using the vlc method described earlier, but it says that livestreamer doesn't recognize that vlc is installed. Anyone had this problem before?
Install VLC in default folder if you didnt and try again.
On September 05 2013 03:30 Skawuscha wrote: watching WCS europe now on medium and it stutters a lot.... twitch sucks, and the story with the new servers is so old
I haven't been able to watch streams at high quality for more than a week on then two months off for about a year now. I don't know the cause for the sudden change but there really needs to be a movement of some other companies getting involved in streaming tournaments. Not being able to watch League of Legends Words in anything but their lowest quality is annoying. As well as not being able to watch Teamliquid SC2 games during dreamhack was extremely disappointing.
If anyone knows of any alternatives to twitch, not a fix to get around twitch sucking but an actual different site all together that doesn't simply stream twitch streams, I would love to know. As far as I've seen most of those have given up (such as Own3d).
Azubu is working well for league of legend Worlds. Friend told me about it after seeing this post. Can watch 720 without any issue.
As an alternative, I am using multitwitch.tv/(stream-name) on my smart tv and works quite good. Direct twitch connection still no connection. Disadvantage is that you need to know the channel name.
Indeed i couldn't watch dreamhack in medium, and while the viewer counts were high for sc2+LoL games, i couldn't even load some streams at medium (like TLS) they would just do this:
took shot at source, but medium didn't work properly and low stuttered, no other internet usage
minutes later, alternate dreamhack stream works fine 720p60 no stutter, booted up other pc and ran it fine there too simultaneously across wireless, again stutter free
Can't wait to see what happens when the viewer counts are doubled for worlds finals, though i don't think it'd be a problem because nobody will watch twitch with 240p stuttering
On August 29 2013 20:17 Pandemona wrote: In all if your lagging on Twitch it most likely is your end.
Should I smack you on the head. Twitch tv is unwatchable in europe above medium.
also, can we please stop talking about resolutions, because they mean nothing, it's all some TV standards that have nothing to do with PCs and web, it was brought into mainstream by youtube and everyone followed suit.
Twitch screwd up in europe something this year, and it has nothing to do with the options on the quality selector, whatever names they slap on them.
Low will look different stream to stream and scene to scene (as it always has), i dunno if there's anything changed in terms of bitrate allocation etc. First time twitch in almost a year i've been able to watch without jumping through hoops like r1ch proxy and spam refreshing to get a good server if there's high load, so far at least
Low looks from mobile to formerly low now which was never the case before. Also, thanks to that, I can't watch streams anymore. Either low looks totally crappy or it looks like low but with higher bandwidth which is too high for my internet connection. Fuck twitch, can't believe I ever supported them.
/also: Scene to scene doesn't matter anymore. Some picture on low just required the same bandwidth(constantly) as some stream where something is happening and exploding all the time.
Low will look different stream to stream and scene to scene (as it always has), i dunno if there's anything changed in terms of bitrate allocation etc. First time twitch in almost a year i've been able to watch without jumping through hoops like r1ch proxy and spam refreshing to get a good server if there's high load, so far at least
Well, as the article says, they are buffering more now, which in my book is a good thing, since it makes the streams lag less. On the other hand, people who value the live chat interaction don't seem to be happy.
Low will look different stream to stream and scene to scene (as it always has), i dunno if there's anything changed in terms of bitrate allocation etc. First time twitch in almost a year i've been able to watch without jumping through hoops like r1ch proxy and spam refreshing to get a good server if there's high load, so far at least
Well, as the article says, they are buffering more now, which in my book is a good thing, since it makes the streams lag less. On the other hand, people who value the live chat interaction don't seem to be happy.
I watched like two hours of random streams that i didn't even care about on Source without seeing noticeable frame dropping or freezing due to twitch, a month ago i had two options:
Sit on medium, be frozen 10 maybe 30% of the time, sometimes more
Use R1CH script, refresh servers a few times to hit a good one. Occasionally with twitch at high load didn't work
A month before that, i only really had the first option consistently. Many more did, too.
I didn't measure delays and such, but if video >actually works< now, it's kind of more important, chat is part of the experience but video kinda makes or breaks the deal for a livestream
This is so sad. Whenever Dota 2 and LoL are streaming (as right now) I have to watch SC2 Streams at LOW setttings. Normally I watch on SOURCE but its not possible with the current servers laggin all the time.
The twitch.tv flash player never did it for me because I run Linux where flash is sucky as hell and it also does not allow you to control the buffer size. Buffering more data can help when you are connected to a semi-bad server, but if you live in EU and get connected to a US twitch server then you might have to buffer like 2 minutes of stream or sth which is not really acceptable.
I've always been able to watch on highest setting. Lately though it's gotten worse and worse. Now I'm sitting here with 25 down/5 up watching destiny's stream stutter on medium. And he's just talking. wtf twitch. :S Where can we complain?