IdrA on his TSL loss to NonY
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IdrA on his TSL loss to NonY EnjoY~ | ||
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Khalleb
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wow he still lose to much's build after practice alot with him | ||
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On February 16 2010 16:00 hubfub wrote: he seems less cocky now more friendly probably because hes on camer and not behind a computer? | ||
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I just love all the mind games at play in this series, BW at its finest here. | ||
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On February 16 2010 16:07 snotboogie wrote: LOL @ raging at JF "the epitome of everything that is wrong with Protoss" and LOL at the end, IdrA saying he should have gone fac CC ebay every game | ||
thopol
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I am a big IdrA fan. Sad to see him go (liquibet nony though). That was the finals before the finals IMO. | ||
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thopol
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On February 16 2010 16:12 Cedstick wrote: He seems more open and talks louder than the last two interviews I've seen. Somethin' is changed about him. Cool. Anyway, great interview. Humble, but not meek. He had a choice: Be humble or be a dick to a friend. I don't think this is a new improved IdrA manner-wise (I hope not), I just think the circumstances dictate his actions. | ||
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thunk
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The zeal micro in game 4 was good. | ||
Cedstick
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On February 16 2010 16:16 thopol wrote: Show nested quote + On February 16 2010 16:12 Cedstick wrote: He seems more open and talks louder than the last two interviews I've seen. Somethin' is changed about him. Cool. Anyway, great interview. Humble, but not meek. He had a choice: Be humble or be a dick to a friend. I don't think this is a new improved IdrA manner-wise (I hope not), I just think the circumstances dictate his actions. Oh, definitely not. He still talked mad shit about JF hahahaha. I just mean he seems different in his over-all air. Like, he just seems more life-confident than the other interviews. I dunno how to explain it. Just more open. | ||
thunk
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Thanks artosis! | ||
tree.hugger
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On February 16 2010 16:12 Cedstick wrote: He seems more open and talks louder than the last two interviews I've seen. Somethin' is changed about him. Cool. Anyway, great interview. Humble, but not meek. I think the only two players he would've been alright losing to were NonY and Ret (alright, maybe G5 too). If he lost to MaNa (or JF), he'd be really bitter. | ||
intrigue
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and yup the micro on destination was brilliant | ||
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petered
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I think that is an essential perspective to have if you want to be a competitive gamer/athlete. You have to believe you are or can be the best. Anyways, thanks for making the tourney so exciting Idra. Hang in there and kick ass in Korea. | ||
Orome
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On February 16 2010 16:17 Cedstick wrote: Show nested quote + On February 16 2010 16:16 thopol wrote: On February 16 2010 16:12 Cedstick wrote: He seems more open and talks louder than the last two interviews I've seen. Somethin' is changed about him. Cool. Anyway, great interview. Humble, but not meek. He had a choice: Be humble or be a dick to a friend. I don't think this is a new improved IdrA manner-wise (I hope not), I just think the circumstances dictate his actions. Oh, definitely not. He still talked mad shit about JF hahahaha. I just mean he seems different in his over-all air. Like, he just seems more life-confident than the other interviews. I dunno how to explain it. Just more open. Agreed, he seemed much more relaxed than in his previous interviews. edit: and yeah, his micro in the Destination game was absolutely sick. | ||
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kulik-
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edit: i agree with idra in the end... that he should just go fast exp... dont know why he was trying something else....hes just much better in macro game than nony.. i think also nony knows this he should abuse that... | ||
Coulthard
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On February 16 2010 16:33 PokePill wrote: I think I like Idra now me2...and rofl about the jf part,he is kinda right | ||
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Edit: The shirt is awesome | ||
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qrs
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Despite that, good interview over all. Thanks to both of you. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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On February 16 2010 17:02 qrs wrote: Artosis was kissing up to Idra too much for my taste ("Oh, for sure, you outmicroed him." "Yes, that was practically a build order win for Nony" etc. etc.), although it is understandable, considering that Idra was granting him an interview after a loss, which was gracious of Idra. Despite that, good interview over all. Thanks to both of you. It isn't kissing up to agree with a correct statement. He agreed the game on Andro was a build order win for IdrA too. seems like confirmation bias to me | ||
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On February 16 2010 16:33 PokePill wrote: I think I like Idra now agreed haha. was a little surprised to hear some of the answers, and for him to say it the way he did. | ||
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qrs
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On February 16 2010 17:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote: It isn't? Even if the "correct statement" is flattering and it is unnecessary to repeat it?Show nested quote + On February 16 2010 17:02 qrs wrote: Artosis was kissing up to Idra too much for my taste ("Oh, for sure, you outmicroed him." "Yes, that was practically a build order win for Nony" etc. etc.), although it is understandable, considering that Idra was granting him an interview after a loss, which was gracious of Idra. Despite that, good interview over all. Thanks to both of you. It isn't kissing up to agree with a correct statement. He agreed the game on Andro was a build order win for IdrA too. seems like confirmation bias to me Also, people don't usually use the phrase build-order win for decisions made in response to scouted information (like adding those proxy gates). Also, it wasn't any one statement that gave me that feel; it was the preponderance of them. I could go through and count them up, but it's not worth it. If you felt that Artosis was only making correct and unbiased statements throughout the interview, you're welcome to think that. Maybe you're even right. | ||
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Artosis
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On February 16 2010 17:02 qrs wrote: Artosis was kissing up to Idra too much for my taste ("Oh, for sure, you outmicroed him." "Yes, that was practically a build order win for Nony" etc. etc.), although it is understandable, considering that Idra was granting him an interview after a loss, which was gracious of Idra. Despite that, good interview over all. Thanks to both of you. people have to stop saying shit like this. if someone micros well i point it out. if someone micros poorly or makes a bad decision i point it out. thx. | ||
Rufio
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So much time invested. | ||
grobo
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Really sad to see Idra out of TSL, was hoping to see him play Mondragon | ||
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Macavenger
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I'm also not really sure where this "who's the better player" business has come from. If Starleagues were always won by the best player in them they'd be kinda boring, Jaedong would have a Diamond or something mouse by now, ForGG and Calm and several others wouldn't have titles, etc. | ||
Ronald_McD
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On February 16 2010 17:33 Artosis wrote: people have to stop saying shit like this. if someone micros well i point it out. if someone micros poorly or makes a bad decision i point it out. thx. First time I've ever seen Artosis swear. I like it. You should do it more often :D | ||
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EtherealDeath
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Immediately quitting (though he was almost certainly screwed) because he was confident of winning anyways. Oh how bad decisions that were perfectly rational seem in hindsight. | ||
Subversive
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I'd say kind, not biased tho Good interview. | ||
number1gog
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Haters gonna hate. | ||
johnnyspazz
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On February 16 2010 17:53 EtherealDeath wrote: Heh sounds like he does indeed regret that game 2 cancel error >_> Immediately quitting (though he was almost certainly screwed) because he was confident of winning anyways. Oh how bad decisions that were perfectly rational seem in hindsight. leaving the game right away was never a bad decision. there was no way idra could've won that game after his misclick | ||
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moopie
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interesting interview, gl next time idra. | ||
saritenite
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Lol at the Backho - JF comparison. Don't think JF's that bad man. | ||
IdrA
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On February 16 2010 16:18 Dgtl wrote: Thanks for the interview! Idra seems pretty calm about the whole thing. I expected him to be extremely pissed and be BM'ing nony a lot, but I guess not. Though he does seem to hate JF. i dont hate jf, hes a nice friendly guy and i have nothing against him personally. i just despise the way he plays. | ||
exeprime
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However, I definitely want JF to win. His playstyle is just so entertaining... I couldn't care less if it's straight-up or not. | ||
Sabu113
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"Nony is stork and JF is BackHo" lol! | ||
Cedstick
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On February 16 2010 18:26 IdrA wrote: Show nested quote + On February 16 2010 16:18 Dgtl wrote: Thanks for the interview! Idra seems pretty calm about the whole thing. I expected him to be extremely pissed and be BM'ing nony a lot, but I guess not. Though he does seem to hate JF. i dont hate jf, hes a nice friendly guy and i have nothing against him personally. i just despise the way he plays. Don't hate the player, hate the... player's game? | ||
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Lefnui
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On February 16 2010 17:42 Aus)MaCrO wrote: Great stuff. Much respect to Idra for taking the loss like a man. Wow, just wow. Comments like this one all throughout the thread. The only reasonable explanation I can come up with is that the bar is set really, really low for IdrA in terms of manner. That's the only thing that would explain these responses. He acted arrogantly and guaranteed a dominant win and then lost. So then you applaud him because after the loss he 'took it like a man'? | ||
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Klive5ive
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To me Nony is a massive favourite now. I really can't see him losing. Idra will be back I'm sure, his overall play is clearly on quite an awesome level; just a shame he never really got going in the best of 5. | ||
Xeln4g4
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Thank you for the interview ... only one thing, maybe next time don't stay in a place with loud music in the backround ... most here are not english speaking and noise does not help. PS: I like BackHO :-) | ||
Alphonsse
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On February 16 2010 16:59 Jenia6109 wrote: Transcript anybody please? Here it is: + Show Spoiler + Artosis: Alright well, here I am with the ex-favorite of the Team Liquid Starleague, IdrA. Oh IdrA, I'm sorry but we do have to do an interview with you on the TSL IdrA: of course Artosis: Everyone is wondering what's going on here. So let's just go over this. You played NonY, someone who you completely crushed last time you played him, 3-1, this time he said he was gonna win, you thought you'd take him down 3 to 0. You had some good strategies planned. Let's talk about it: Game 1 - you did the vulture drop and completely crushed him. Was that what you were expecting or were you thinking it was kind of a toss up game because it was Andromeda. IdrA: I completely expected to win but I didn't think it would be that easy. What I figured was well just given everything leading up to it - well first off the maps, are heavily Protoss favored, like long macro games because they're all big maps, they're all easy economy; very good for Protoss. He said that he felt he was more confident in beating me with long macro games - he was surprised at how well he did in the first ones. I should've known it was my games at that point cause he got raped in the long games in the first one. And I said that the only way I was going to lose was cheese. So I figured all that leading together and he would choose to play long abusive macro games - double nexus, one gate triple nexus, that kind of stuff. So I prepared builds that would counter that. And so the first game went exactly as I expected, he even played greedier than I thought, triple nexus dt drop off of 4 goons. So it was a pure build order win for me. And then the other games, well -- Artosis: Game 2, lets talk about game 2 IdrA: that was just a mis-click Artosis: You cancelled your command center and insta left. Some people question that I mean it was obvious -- IdrA: They're stupid Artosis: -- you cancel that command, you can't win against a player of NonY's caliber. What went thorough your mind when you cancelled that nexus Hwanni (I think?): Commmand center IdrA: It was just a haze. I still expect to win so obviously I was pissed off but it was like whatever go on to the next one. Artosis: So you didn't have tears in your eyes, red ears, you weren't -- IdrA: No, a few expletives or whatever but that was about it. Artosis: -- couldn't cook an egg on your head? IdrA: No, I wasnt that.. I wasn't tilted or whatever I don't think. Artosis: How loud were the expletives that you mutter under your breath cause I've seen you do this before IdrA: It was actually quite loud cause I'm alone in the CJ house right now everyones off for the new years vacation. Artosis: How loud was it? Can you show us here? (Note: they're inside a coffee shop) IdrA: I'll scare all the other people . Artosis: You don't have to swear just say something loud. Just say Greg loud. IdrA: I don't know. Artosis: You don't know? IdrA: No. I'm like blacking out the memories. It's too painful. Artosis: I see. Ok, game 3, that was the Outsider game, right? IdrA: Yeah, that one I deserved to lose. I was scouting his main, and it didn't register fast enough cause I was dealing with harass. It's actually kind of funny, he beat me with a Much build, cause I practice with Much a lot. I even played him a lot on Outsider before his MSL game with ForGG. Never saw him do anything like that though. Artosis: Yeah just, I dunno man, NonY just executed well but it felt to me like you just, you microed quite poorly there. You did not make the right decisions. IdrA: I thought my 3 tanks were moving backwards when the scarab hit. I can't bring myself to watch the replays so maybe not. Artosis: No I thought they were too. I was actually surprised. IdrA: Yeah they all took at least 80 damage, so after that I was kinda dead. Artosis: Yeah, they took a lot more damage than I expected. Well yeah, that's too bad. Alright game 4 on Destination, I actually thought he could've taken this, if he had gone speed zealots cause he had just shown you the citadel, which obviously you're going to make turrets, along with your tank marine, and that's not a good counter to speed zealots. IdrA: Speedlots after that kind of opening, they're not good at all. If you get SCVs in front the games over. And he was already on such a weak economy. I guess anything he does is going to be all-in, but.. Artosis: Yeah, it was quite all-in. IdrA: He didn't have a good option. Artosis: You did stop the zealot rush pretty well. I mean he did a lot more damage to your zealots than I was expecting IdrA: Yeah, I've seen some people talking about how he out-microed me and stuff Artosis: No, that's ridiculous. He didn't out-micro you at all. But, you know, he kind of threw away all his units in that natural, what did you think of that? IdrA: Well, after I killed the gateway and scouted what he was doing the game was pretty much over. So that was just a last-ditch attempt and it wasn't a very good one. Artosis: No, not very good at all. And then he comes in again and you already have scanners so that was pretty easy. Now Game 4, I actually talked to him a lot about this game in particular. IdrA: Game 5? Artosis: Yeah, game 5, on Fighting Spirit. He saw you do that, the Sea.Really gasless expand, we saw GosI[Terran] do that quite a bit against Infernal as well. And, I was talking to him about that, and his strategy actually he did it, and he never lost a game on ICCUP doing this against that strategy against high-level Korean players. IdrA: It's not a good build. Um -- Artosis: Well of course the build isn't good -- IdrA: No no, rax cc isn't a good build. Artosis: Oh okay. IdrA: But, if he goes double nexus on there, that map is so big and open and spread out, the expos are so far apart that if he goes double nexus, you don't win a macro game. He's good enough, that I can't win a macro game if he goes double nexus and get it for free there. So I was going rax cc expecting him to do an econ build, and just hoping I could deal with cheese. Cause you can hold cheeses like that, I've played against center gate all-ins, proxy robos and stuff like that, it's just really really hard. Artosis: Here's his take on it, cause I spoke to him actually quite in-depth about this afterwards and in the interview. And he actually wanted to play a macro game on Fighting Spirit, cause he feels the same way as you that Protoss is ahead in a long macro game after a 12 nexus there or whatever. But he wasn't planning on 12 nexus obviously. Instead, he played a lot of games on ICCUP against that build, not a whole lot, but enough that he realized that if he proxies 3 gates, stops probe production, that what is terran gonna do? I mean only goon is not going to bust you. But the fact that he makes the zealots means you can't repair IdrA: I think it is the extra zealots, but like I said I played against that before, and really I was like a second before siege mode, the bunker died before that and if he doesn't have the extra zealots then I just keep spamming repair and then I'd hold it off. Artosis: Oh of course, that would kill infinity goons but its the zealots. IdrA: Usually people don't make that many zealots, that was smart of him. Artosis: Yeah, that was kinda like a build order win for him with those zealots. IdrA: Yeah, kinda. Artosis: But at the same time you almost held it off, you almost you know if you had just-- Do you think if you had re walled-in? You know he had stopped probe production for a long long time he was quite all-in. You lost a lot of SCVs, yeah -- IdrA: Looking back, what I should've done was the moment I see the extra units coming in, lift my command center and pull most of the SCVs in, and rewall with the command center and spam repair on the depots, that's the only real option I can see. Artosis: Alright, so once you lost, sorry I have to ask this, but what went through your head? IdrA: I was just mad, it was almost shock at first. But yeah, nothing specific. Artosis: Nothing specific. So this is actually quite surprising, you and ret, both losing in the round of 8, when actually, you two were the favorites to make it to the final, and have another epic IdrA ret match. IdrA: Yeah. Artosis: So, what do you think about that? You and ret both out? IdrA: Well, as long as NonY or Sen wins it I'll still be kinda ok. Obviously it sucks that I don't win and it sucks ret doesn't win. But, as long as Mondragon or JF doesn't win. Artosis: Do you feel -- (laughs) We'll get to that statement in a moment -- Do you feel that you and ret still are the best players from this tournament? IdrA: Obviously, yeah. Artosis: Obviously? IdrA: Yeah. Artosis: I agree with you, I'm just asking. IdrA: Oh okay. Artosis: You don't want to see JF or Mondragon win, why? IdrA: JF is the epitome of everything that's wrong with Starcraft, especially Protoss. He does not deserve to win a game ever. I hope NonY crushes him. Artosis: Why is that exactly? IdrA: He's nothing except cheese and gay builds, and coin flips, and abusive shit. Artosis: So he's like G5 or.. IdrA: What it is is, legit players, like NonY can do abusive builds, but he has real skill to back it up. NonY is Stork, and JF is Backho. Artosis: No one is as bad as Backho, take that back. IdrA: That's how I see it. Artosis: Take it back. IdrA: No. I stand by my opinion. Artosis: This is disgusting to me that you just said that Hwanni: Mister Lee (??) is worse than Backho. Artosis: No, no ones worse than Backho, alright? Okay, and what about Mondragon, you don't want to see him as the winner of this event either? IdrA: Not really. He had his prime, he was the dominant player and he deserved his wins then. He's past his prime, he's not as good as the top players right now. I don't think he should win. I think Sen and NonY are more deserving, more skilled. Artosis: The same can be said for Sen man, he was dominating the same time as Mondragon, he's an old old school player. IdrA: That's true but he's always felt more skilled cause he actually knew how to ZvT back then when I was playing with him. It's just bias, personal preference, Sen seems like the better player to me. Artosis: Alright, well I guess we'll see that this weekend. IdrA: No we won't, it's ZvZ Artosis: That's true. Who do you think will end up winning the tournament out of the 4 players that are left? IdrA: Unfortunately I think it's going to be one of the Zergs. I dunno if NonY's PvZ is going to be good enough. Artosis: Really? NonY told me that he cannot wait to show off his PvZ. IdrA: I really, really hope NonY wins, but I'm not too confident. Artosis: Is that just cause NonY's your friend, or American pride or because he knocked you out? IdrA: He's a friend, American, a combination of all of them. And I think he's the most skilled player left. Artosis: I like your shirt by the way. (IdrA is wearing the "Born to fast expand" shirt from thehandsomenerd.com) IdrA: Yeah, it is pretty handsome. If I had followed this advice I would've won 3 to 1. Artosis: Born to fast expand. IdrA: All the people bitching about diversity -- (adjusts shirt to make it more visible) -- all the people bitching about diversity, if I had just gone fact cc ebay I woulda won. Artosis: Well, you know actually NonY was kind of prepared for that he actually told me this morning on MSN that -- IdrA: If I go fact cc ebay, I lose on Andromeda, and win the next three. Artosis: He switched his builds up, when he saw what you were doing, because he actually was thinking that you were going to be the robot that a lot of people accuse you of being. IdrA: Well I won on desti with the proxy gateway. I would've done the same thing no matter what cause proxy gateway, you react to that, you're not the one controlling the game. On Outsider, if I go fact cc ebay, his shuttle is so late because he was pressuring with the goons and he doesn't get in, I have turrets up and I already have siege mode done anyway. Then on Tornado, that's a Terran favored map and he went gate first so fact cc, I'll win that game. I'll outmacro him. So I win 3-1. Artosis: I see. Fair enough. Sorry you didn't win. But you won a lot of tournaments this year, so you have a lot of accomplishments anyways. And, you did better than last TSL. Last time you got top 16, this time you got top 8. Maybe next time top 4? IdrA: Yeah, we just need 3 more tournaments and I'll be good. Artosis: Yeah, you'll start winning. Well, at least you didn't lose to special tactics. Well, thanks for the interview -- IdrA: Special tactics would've been better than a command cancel. Artosis: Yeah, that's quite true. What a dissapointing game. Alright well, thank you very much for the interview. Anything to say to all the haters out there and the fans? IdrA: I thank my fans for the support. Artosis: Haters gonna keep on hatin. IdrA: Yeah. Btw, not sure if Artosis is ok with me posting this, just lemme know if not and I'll delete it. Thanks for the interview, too awesome. | ||
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Aus)MaCrO
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On February 16 2010 18:36 Lefnui wrote: Show nested quote + On February 16 2010 17:42 Aus)MaCrO wrote: Great stuff. Much respect to Idra for taking the loss like a man. Wow, just wow. Comments like this one all throughout the thread. The only reasonable explanation I can come up with is that the bar is set really, really low for IdrA in terms of manner. That's the only thing that would explain these responses. He acted arrogantly and guaranteed a dominant win and then lost. So then you applaud him because after the loss he 'took it like a man'? Better than kicking him while he is down, wouldn't you say? | ||
JohnColtrane
Australia4813 Posts
On February 16 2010 18:36 Lefnui wrote: Show nested quote + On February 16 2010 17:42 Aus)MaCrO wrote: Great stuff. Much respect to Idra for taking the loss like a man. Wow, just wow. Comments like this one all throughout the thread. The only reasonable explanation I can come up with is that the bar is set really, really low for IdrA in terms of manner. That's the only thing that would explain these responses. He acted arrogantly and guaranteed a dominant win and then lost. So then you applaud him because after the loss he 'took it like a man'? he took it like a man. aus)macro applauded him for taking it like a man. what's the fucking problem? | ||
Kyuki
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Personally feel IdrA might have matured abit since I last saw a interview with him. Good for him . | ||
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[GiTM]-Ace
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Trumpet
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Still much respect to idra making this match fun and interesting. I really hope the other players can catch on to what made this match so good and start talking like the foreigners they are and not mindless korean interview bots. Thanks for the insight, the players are the reason we're all watching this tourney above proleague vods after all. | ||
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ama-cms
Finland164 Posts
On February 16 2010 18:49 Klive5ive wrote: Decent interview. Just reinforces what a shame it was they had to play in the Ro8. To me Nony is a massive favourite now. I really can't see him losing. Dude. The guy plays protoss. You ditch any foreign toss against Mondi or Sen in a BoX, you know what happens? Lots of whimpering probes, blue goo and zealots begging for mercy. Im sorry but neither of the tosses have a chance here against either of these monster zergs. I'd bet 10 000 euros on it and still wouldnt break a sweat on it. Nony or JF, they are going to DIE. in the final. I'm amazed if they can take even one game from either zerg monster. and as for IdrA.. well, again there he is offering his explanations on a performance that was not satisfactory. His misery makes my coffee taste better. Nice shirt though. | ||
leetchaos
United States395 Posts
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Robinsa
Japan1333 Posts
Tsl spoiler.. not sure if its still a spoiler though ^^ + Show Spoiler + Can't belive both ret and idra are out of the TSL!! | ||
Silentness
United States2821 Posts
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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
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Mora
Canada5235 Posts
thanks artosis & idra | ||
aqui
Germany1023 Posts
Greaat shirt btw and nice to hear that Idra is playing with people like Much, the genious toss himself! Also thanks to Artosis for the interview ofc, the setting with the lounge music in the background was ingenious. | ||
Mora
Canada5235 Posts
While the odds may have been enormously against you, you really rob the game of its spirit when you respond that way. You take this game extremely seriously - as well you should - but i sometimes feel you become too disconnected with the other half that really makes what you do inspiring and satiating. It's a situation where i think when you look back in 10 years, you won't regret so much that you hit the escape key at the wrong moment, but that you let doing so rob you of an opportunity to play your heart out at something you love to do, in front of countless fans who love to watch you do so. That us fans love to watch you play - win or lose - and that at some point that that may be more important to you than winning/having won. More over, I don't think it's a stretch to say that you're the superior player to Nony when it comes to mechanics - if such a mechanical error could happen to you, could it not to Nony as well? The spirit of competition is not just about the shortest, most efficient route to victory. I was sad when you quit game 2. | ||
IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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RichieUS
United States4 Posts
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KwarK
United States40776 Posts
On February 16 2010 20:25 Mora wrote: i wish you hadn't have auto-exitted out of game 2 idra. While the odds may have been enormously against you, you really rob the game of its spirit when you respond that way. You take this game extremely seriously - as well you should - but i sometimes feel you become too disconnected with the other half that really makes what you do inspiring and satiating. It's a situation where i think when you look back in 10 years, you won't regret so much that you hit the escape key at the wrong moment, but that you let doing so rob you of an opportunity to play your heart out at something you love to do, in front of countless fans who love to watch you do so. That us fans love to watch you play - win or lose - and that at some point that that may be more important to you than winning/having won. More over, I don't think it's a stretch to say that you're the superior player to Nony when it comes to mechanics - if such a mechanical error could happen to you, could it not to Nony as well? The spirit of competition is not just about the shortest, most efficient route to victory. I was sad when you quit game 2. It was very unlikely he would be able to get anything decent going game 2 after the cancel. He couldn't defend it easily and Nony could just lolexpand and be ahead in a macro war. Better to accept the error, take the loss and draw a line under it than have it turn into a long drawn out and highly annoying loss with the constant subtext of that one mistake. I don't think it likely Nony would accidentally cancel his nexus in the one game Idra cancels his CC. | ||
Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On February 16 2010 19:46 ama-cms wrote: Show nested quote + On February 16 2010 18:49 Klive5ive wrote: Decent interview. Just reinforces what a shame it was they had to play in the Ro8. To me Nony is a massive favourite now. I really can't see him losing. Dude. The guy plays protoss. You ditch any foreign toss against Mondi or Sen in a BoX, you know what happens? Lots of whimpering probes, blue goo and zealots begging for mercy. Im sorry but neither of the tosses have a chance here against either of these monster zergs. I'd bet 10 000 euros on it and still wouldnt break a sweat on it. Nony or JF, they are going to DIE. in the final. I'm amazed if they can take even one game from either zerg monster. and as for IdrA.. well, again there he is offering his explanations on a performance that was not satisfactory. His misery makes my coffee taste better. Nice shirt though. You can't count Nony in the standard "foreigner" veign. Whilst Mondragon and Sen might out-manuever JF, it won't be so easy with Nony. I think they had more chance of succesfully cheesing Idra 4 times! What sets Nony apart is his impeccable macro, which is very useful in modern PvZ. Nony is going to hold off anything thrown at him in the early game and then he will just pull massively ahead in the midgame. The only person who could have stopped him was Ret. | ||
MrHoon
10183 Posts
If only Nony didn't have a beautiful wife and a good RL life I really think he would've made it huge in Korea! Oh well thanks for the interview, gl to idra in the future and nony you better fucking win the whole thing! GOGO NONY | ||
Robinsa
Japan1333 Posts
On February 16 2010 20:35 RichieUS wrote: IdrA looks less nerd with short hair Possible. The nerd back is still very viewable through the mirror though.. the only reason why I noticed that I cuz I'm trying to get rid of my own lol.. | ||
emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
On February 16 2010 20:33 IdrA wrote: the thing is rax cc is already such a fragile build, you have to execute it absolutely perfectly to deal with any kind of aggression. canceling that cost me 100 minerals, half a cc build time, and i was going to be supply stuck. plus i had 4 scvs off mining early since he got first scout. he could have gone 1 gate triple nexus and still had 6 range goons hitting my bunker before the tank was out. mistakes do happen but a player of nonys caliber isnt gonna blow a lead like that, even if i survived. cancelling a cc is a misclick that can happen to anyone, itd take a lot more than that for nony to lose that. well sistakes happen... IdrA Fighting!! | ||
Flyingdutchman
Netherlands858 Posts
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Zplut
Germany90 Posts
On February 16 2010 16:11 lazz wrote: what idra said at the end is so funny and so true.. if he just fac CC FE he probably wouldve won ;o Thats just lame saying he would have 3:1 If he played FE every game. Everyone can say that AFTER a game. No question about Nony training for 1-2 weeks to get this good and Idra training in korea and still loosing (TALENT). So lets summerize Nony did not outmicro Idra, Idra would have won with FE in every game oh yeah and after all it was only cheese and all ins by Nony. Oh and since we play that "what would have been" game, If Mondi had gone to korea for such a long time he would already 50:0 every foreigner. And HURRAY for trashalking JF after he knocked out Withe-Ra and Terran. Well at least let`s all focus on the t-shirt and give him credit for that cause it`s the only thing he deserves credit for. | ||
Gustav_Wind
United States646 Posts
On February 16 2010 20:25 Mora wrote: i wish you hadn't have auto-exitted out of game 2 idra. While the odds may have been enormously against you, you really rob the game of its spirit when you respond that way. You take this game extremely seriously - as well you should - but i sometimes feel you become too disconnected with the other half that really makes what you do inspiring and satiating. It's a situation where i think when you look back in 10 years, you won't regret so much that you hit the escape key at the wrong moment, but that you let doing so rob you of an opportunity to play your heart out at something you love to do, in front of countless fans who love to watch you do so. That us fans love to watch you play - win or lose - and that at some point that that may be more important to you than winning/having won. More over, I don't think it's a stretch to say that you're the superior player to Nony when it comes to mechanics - if such a mechanical error could happen to you, could it not to Nony as well? The spirit of competition is not just about the shortest, most efficient route to victory. I was sad when you quit game 2. Doing something for the fans may be good, but with those kind of stakes honestly a player should just do what he needs to do to help him win the set. I don't think dragging out a hopeless battle is a good use of your energy/focus in a bo5. Speaking as a fan, too, I wouldn't have liked to see that game go on. | ||
bigjmachine
United States314 Posts
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ToT)SiLeNcE(
Germany590 Posts
In my opinion that's a massive weakness right there. It's simply not the mindset that you should play Starcraft with... | ||
Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
On February 16 2010 21:32 ToT)SiLeNcE( wrote: The best part of the interview was when Idra suggested that he would have won 3-1 if he would have gone one fac fe every game. Seriously. That's not how SC works! He always has everything completely figured out ("that's how things should go if I do this and that"). In my opinion that's a massive weakness right there. It's simply not the mindset that you should play Starcraft with... thats the mindset i bet against thank you | ||
SoL[9]
Portugal1370 Posts
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JohnColtrane
Australia4813 Posts
P.S i didnt get/never got that virus warning message | ||
diehilde
Germany1596 Posts
On February 16 2010 21:32 ToT)SiLeNcE( wrote: The best part of the interview was when Idra suggested that he would have won 3-1 if he would have gone one fac fe every game. Seriously. That's not how SC works! He always has everything completely figured out ("that's how things should go if I do this and that"). In my opinion that's a massive weakness right there. It's simply not the mindset that you should play Starcraft with... its probably the polar opposite to mondis mindset, maybe thats why he doesnt like him and thinks Sen is a better player. He just cant appreciate/acknowledge that part of SC. | ||
Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
I'd say he's got a pretty damn good mindset for sc and has done enough 1 fact fe's to know what he's talking about. Out of curiousity how does "SC work" ToT)Silence(? | ||
IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On February 16 2010 21:32 ToT)SiLeNcE( wrote: The best part of the interview was when Idra suggested that he would have won 3-1 if he would have gone one fac fe every game. Seriously. That's not how SC works! He always has everything completely figured out ("that's how things should go if I do this and that"). In my opinion that's a massive weakness right there. It's simply not the mindset that you should play Starcraft with... no. thats how things COULD have gone had i done that, past tense. just an analysis of the games that i mentioned cuz i found it kinda funny that i usually get shit for playing conventionally and that i lost this series in part because i used some non standard builds. obviously hindsight is 20 20 and nony came out ahead in the mind games. its not like im claiming i shouldve won, it was my choice to use those builds and it was a bad one. theres no harm in looking back on the series and pointing out what could have happened had i approached it differently. in fact its productive to do so because how else are you gonna learn from your mistakes. | ||
IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On February 16 2010 22:10 damenmofa wrote: Show nested quote + On February 16 2010 21:32 ToT)SiLeNcE( wrote: The best part of the interview was when Idra suggested that he would have won 3-1 if he would have gone one fac fe every game. Seriously. That's not how SC works! He always has everything completely figured out ("that's how things should go if I do this and that"). In my opinion that's a massive weakness right there. It's simply not the mindset that you should play Starcraft with... its probably the polar opposite to mondis mindset, maybe thats why he doesnt like him and thinks Sen is a better player. He just cant appreciate/acknowledge that part of SC. you have no clue what mondis mindset is because he lies through his teeth in every interview | ||
JohnColtrane
Australia4813 Posts
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diehilde
Germany1596 Posts
On February 16 2010 22:14 IdrA wrote: Show nested quote + On February 16 2010 22:10 damenmofa wrote: On February 16 2010 21:32 ToT)SiLeNcE( wrote: The best part of the interview was when Idra suggested that he would have won 3-1 if he would have gone one fac fe every game. Seriously. That's not how SC works! He always has everything completely figured out ("that's how things should go if I do this and that"). In my opinion that's a massive weakness right there. It's simply not the mindset that you should play Starcraft with... its probably the polar opposite to mondis mindset, maybe thats why he doesnt like him and thinks Sen is a better player. He just cant appreciate/acknowledge that part of SC. you have no clue what mondis mindset is because he lies through his teeth in every interview no I dont think so, he is a very fun and clever guy and I believe him when he says the things he says. He has a pretty strategical/improvising style and there is no reason for me not to believe him cus frankly, he doesnt like bettering mechanics/practicing all day. What you see from him in his games corresponds with my impressions from his interviews and his RL decisions (not coming to korea to practice all day for example). | ||
ToT)SiLeNcE(
Germany590 Posts
On February 16 2010 22:13 IdrA wrote: Show nested quote + On February 16 2010 21:32 ToT)SiLeNcE( wrote: The best part of the interview was when Idra suggested that he would have won 3-1 if he would have gone one fac fe every game. Seriously. That's not how SC works! He always has everything completely figured out ("that's how things should go if I do this and that"). In my opinion that's a massive weakness right there. It's simply not the mindset that you should play Starcraft with... no. thats how things COULD have gone had i done that, past tense. just an analysis of the games that i mentioned cuz i found it kinda funny that i usually get shit for playing conventionally and that i lost this series in part because i used some non standard builds. obviously hindsight is 20 20 and nony came out ahead in the mind games. its not like im claiming i shouldve won, it was my choice to use those builds and it was a bad one. theres no harm in looking back on the series and pointing out what could have happened had i approached it differently. in fact its productive to do so because how else are you gonna learn from your mistakes. I didn't mean to be harsh and I agree with you that post-game analysis is very important. I also (strongly) agree with the general statement that with conventional fe builds you would have fared much better. However I disagree with bold statements like "I would have won 3-1", and that's exactly what you said in the interview. There is no way of telling how those games would have gone, and that's my point... It's like I don't have any problem with the "I'm gonna 3-0 him" statement before, as that is part of the general trash-talk that you are known (and in fact loved) for. However after a loss like that one, it just doesn't feel right to me to throw "I am the better player, under normal circumstances I would have won" into the face of every player you lose to. | ||
wishbones
Canada2600 Posts
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Muff2n
United Kingdom246 Posts
What I am really dieing for is Idra's rep pack though! And I have yet to win a game after canceling my 1st cc by mistake | ||
WaveMotion
United States147 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On February 16 2010 22:22 ToT)SiLeNcE( wrote: Show nested quote + On February 16 2010 22:13 IdrA wrote: On February 16 2010 21:32 ToT)SiLeNcE( wrote: The best part of the interview was when Idra suggested that he would have won 3-1 if he would have gone one fac fe every game. Seriously. That's not how SC works! He always has everything completely figured out ("that's how things should go if I do this and that"). In my opinion that's a massive weakness right there. It's simply not the mindset that you should play Starcraft with... no. thats how things COULD have gone had i done that, past tense. just an analysis of the games that i mentioned cuz i found it kinda funny that i usually get shit for playing conventionally and that i lost this series in part because i used some non standard builds. obviously hindsight is 20 20 and nony came out ahead in the mind games. its not like im claiming i shouldve won, it was my choice to use those builds and it was a bad one. theres no harm in looking back on the series and pointing out what could have happened had i approached it differently. in fact its productive to do so because how else are you gonna learn from your mistakes. I didn't mean to be harsh and I agree with you that post-game analysis is very important. I also (strongly) agree with the general statement that with conventional fe builds you would have fared much better. However I disagree with bold statements like "I would have won 3-1", and that's exactly what you said in the interview. There is no way of telling how those games would have gone, and that's my point... It's like I don't have any problem with the "I'm gonna 3-0 him" statement before, as that is part of the general trash-talk that you are known (and in fact loved) for. However after a loss like that one, it just doesn't feel right to me to throw "I am the better player, under normal circumstances I would have won" into the face of every player you lose to. you agree that conventional fe builds would have fared better, but then assume im saying im the better player by saying i think it would have been a 3-1? its not a comment on how good nony is, but on the fact that fac cc ebay would have been strong vs the builds he did in the 2nd and 3rd sets. obviously im not saying a 3-1 was guaranteed had i only gone fac cc, nothing is guaranteed in sc and i didnt think i had to throw in a whole bunch of disclaimers to make that clear. | ||
Zplut
Germany90 Posts
On February 16 2010 22:38 IdrA wrote: Show nested quote + On February 16 2010 22:22 ToT)SiLeNcE( wrote: On February 16 2010 22:13 IdrA wrote: On February 16 2010 21:32 ToT)SiLeNcE( wrote: The best part of the interview was when Idra suggested that he would have won 3-1 if he would have gone one fac fe every game. Seriously. That's not how SC works! He always has everything completely figured out ("that's how things should go if I do this and that"). In my opinion that's a massive weakness right there. It's simply not the mindset that you should play Starcraft with... no. thats how things COULD have gone had i done that, past tense. just an analysis of the games that i mentioned cuz i found it kinda funny that i usually get shit for playing conventionally and that i lost this series in part because i used some non standard builds. obviously hindsight is 20 20 and nony came out ahead in the mind games. its not like im claiming i shouldve won, it was my choice to use those builds and it was a bad one. theres no harm in looking back on the series and pointing out what could have happened had i approached it differently. in fact its productive to do so because how else are you gonna learn from your mistakes. I didn't mean to be harsh and I agree with you that post-game analysis is very important. I also (strongly) agree with the general statement that with conventional fe builds you would have fared much better. However I disagree with bold statements like "I would have won 3-1", and that's exactly what you said in the interview. There is no way of telling how those games would have gone, and that's my point... It's like I don't have any problem with the "I'm gonna 3-0 him" statement before, as that is part of the general trash-talk that you are known (and in fact loved) for. However after a loss like that one, it just doesn't feel right to me to throw "I am the better player, under normal circumstances I would have won" into the face of every player you lose to. you agree that conventional fe builds would have fared better, but then assume im saying im the better player by saying i think it would have been a 3-1? its not a comment on how good nony is, but on the fact that fac cc ebay would have been strong vs the builds he did in the 2nd and 3rd sets. obviously im not saying a 3-1 was guaranteed had i only gone fac cc, nothing is guaranteed in sc and i didnt think i had to throw in a whole bunch of disclaimers to make that clear. Strange thing people misunderstood that after your polite prediction | ||
IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
Thanks for the interview! | ||
JWD
United States12607 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36362 Posts
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Chill
Calgary25938 Posts
Thanks guys. | ||
kAra
Germany1252 Posts
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arbiter_md
Moldova1219 Posts
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wishbones
Canada2600 Posts
On February 16 2010 23:14 Hot_Bid wrote: i think its interesting that idra seems to get 10x more respect after this loss than he did after any of his wins thats because he took this interview seriously rather than start the hype, hypes done right? seriousness = he all-inned on this one. (he was being himself) | ||
seanisgrand
United States1039 Posts
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Zplut
Germany90 Posts
On February 16 2010 23:02 IdrA wrote: hows it rude to expect to win? its not like i said nonys a terrible person or even a bad player. hell predicting someones gonna lose 3 games doesnt even mean you think theyre worse than you. I was reefering to the fact that you were surprised you have to explain that "I would have 3-1 If I played Fe" thing because when you are telling people in every iview that you are the best, you gonna crush your opponent, 3:0 etc. then you really expect people to think "ah hey he surely doesn`t mean it that way he is just pointing out that his chances would have been higher with an FE" ... and btw that was not a "I expect to win" iview PokerStrategy.com TSL: So if Nony goes double nexus every game, you might lose? IdrA[Media]: Nah, if he can get a free double nexus diagonal positions on Andromeda and still almost lose, it won't really matter what builds he does. PokerStrategy.com TSL: Will it be a 3-0 victory for you? IdrA[Media]: Yes. PokerStrategy.com TSL: Hypothetically, if Nony wins, what would you say to him? IdrA[Media]: I don't know, I've never really been a fan of thinking about situations that aren't gonna happen. Seems kinda like a waste of time. yeah can`t find the part where you imply that he is worse than you .... | ||
wishbones
Canada2600 Posts
On February 16 2010 23:02 IdrA wrote: hows it rude to expect to win? its not like i said nonys a terrible person or even a bad player. hell predicting someones gonna lose 3 games doesnt even mean you think theyre worse than you. it is in no way rude, to expect to win, hopefully im not shitting on myself here and mis reading. But you gotta have a winning attitude, maybe not full-blown IM GONNA WIN. But I HAVE TO WIN. Seems like that's all I'm seeing when they interview Hockey players from team Canada. GAME 1 Today boys, fuckin watch that shit! Your absolutely right it doesnt mean anything to predict 3-0. I watched an olympic video two broadcasters one sweed, and one canada. Canada man said we will win 5-0! So swallow your words idra haters. | ||
JWD
United States12607 Posts
On February 16 2010 23:30 Zplut wrote: Show nested quote + On February 16 2010 23:02 IdrA wrote: hows it rude to expect to win? its not like i said nonys a terrible person or even a bad player. hell predicting someones gonna lose 3 games doesnt even mean you think theyre worse than you. yeah can`t find the part where you imply that he is worse than you .... so what? I don't see why you are worked up over a professional competitor implying he is better than an opponent | ||
PiLLs( SLiP)
United States9 Posts
everyone already forgot all the shit he talked? lol sszzerrrgssss LOL IDRA LISP | ||
Highways
Australia6098 Posts
Idra has matured alot. | ||
gro.ro
13 Posts
On February 16 2010 22:14 IdrA wrote: Show nested quote + On February 16 2010 22:10 damenmofa wrote: On February 16 2010 21:32 ToT)SiLeNcE( wrote: The best part of the interview was when Idra suggested that he would have won 3-1 if he would have gone one fac fe every game. Seriously. That's not how SC works! He always has everything completely figured out ("that's how things should go if I do this and that"). In my opinion that's a massive weakness right there. It's simply not the mindset that you should play Starcraft with... its probably the polar opposite to mondis mindset, maybe thats why he doesnt like him and thinks Sen is a better player. He just cant appreciate/acknowledge that part of SC. you have no clue what mondis mindset is because he lies through his teeth in every interview dude that sounds a bit xenophobic. like you always expect the most negative out of people which are different than you. in mondragons case probably a delusive harlequin which is laughing in the dark while hiding his strengths and been glorified for his modesty.. i dont praise his "modesty", nor i thing he is something special in this regard. what i read out of his interviews is that he just doesnt feel comfortable in predicting or hyping himself up over another player. when i would be in this situation it would be the same with me. even when i would be the favorite i wouldnt analyse around about all possible outcomes or thinking about winning or not winning. i would just focus on my own strengths, possible strategies and be sure that i play my absolute best and the rest of the story will be told after the games. when its enough to win then its great. but saying i will win 100% would feel personaly to me more like a lie or false than your so called "false european modesty" because aslong as I dont find out that I am some sort of invincible god, anything can happen to me and i would accept the fact that my real mindset: "we will see if its enough in the end; dont think of it beforehand" would be seen more of a korean boring style. just because of the fact that it still would be the most accurate description to my actual feelings, dont matter how its judged by people. same feeling i had with ret in some videos. that he not always feels absolute comfortable in predicting himself in crushing left and right. but rather let the actions speak for themselves in the end. but as a outstanding person I ofc dont care if someone feels more comfortable in predicting himself to win or not. I even also feel more hype when someone dares to make more tough calls. so thats welcome too without beeing a "must have". | ||
PiePie
United States248 Posts
PS. I hope JF wins :D , only to see what IdrA says lol | ||
Zplut
Germany90 Posts
On February 16 2010 23:43 JWD wrote: Show nested quote + On February 16 2010 23:30 Zplut wrote: On February 16 2010 23:02 IdrA wrote: hows it rude to expect to win? its not like i said nonys a terrible person or even a bad player. hell predicting someones gonna lose 3 games doesnt even mean you think theyre worse than you. yeah can`t find the part where you imply that he is worse than you .... so what? I don't see why you are worked up over a professional competitor implying he is better than an opponent You know mb Iam just too nice or I got that behavoir from TKD where you always show respect but I dont think it`s ok to act like that what`s with talking down JF after he actually knocked out Terran and Withe-Ra, that guy delivered. Beeing beaten as the huge favorite and only professional and then in the iview the next best thing he`s doing is to talk down a guy who actually made it. So if you want to be a professional you either act like one or you are just like that BUT I really doubt that Idra would leave without GG or flame in a PL game or trashtalk like that in korea I don`t know why he has to act like an angry child it`s just sad. | ||
wishbones
Canada2600 Posts
On February 17 2010 00:13 PiePie wrote: Nice interview and I think IdrA is a nice guy haha PS. I hope JF wins :D , only to see what IdrA says lol lmfao me to actually. good idea. gogo JF! hmm seeing as the olympics is on, IM HOPING MY CANADIAN (Canasian!) counter part plays his best! | ||
bEsT[Alive]
606 Posts
On February 16 2010 16:17 thunk wrote: Oh, next time if you could figure out how to cut out the background music I think the interviews would be much better. Thanks artosis! They're at a cafe. What the hell do you expect? There will be background noise. They would have to change locations. Thanks for the interview. EDIT: As for IdrA's take on JF. Greg, you do realize the kid has barely any time to practice right? As a result, of course he's going to plan his BOs strategically to give him a shot. What the fuck you think NonY's been doing? Your argument is baseless. He's already proved himself to everyone here. | ||
PiePie
United States248 Posts
On February 17 2010 00:54 bEsT[Alive] wrote: Show nested quote + On February 16 2010 16:17 thunk wrote: Oh, next time if you could figure out how to cut out the background music I think the interviews would be much better. Thanks artosis! They're at a cafe. What the hell do you expect? There will be background noise. They would have to change locations. Thanks for the interview. EDIT: As for IdrA's take on JF. Greg, you do realize the kid has barely any time to practice right? As a result, of course he's going to plan his BOs strategically to give him a shot. What the fuck you think NonY's been doing? Your argument is baseless. He's already proved himself to everyone here. IdrA's got haters, I guess he has to do a bit of hating himself lol... I just hope JF wins for kicks. | ||
Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
On February 16 2010 23:30 Zplut wrote: Show nested quote + On February 16 2010 23:02 IdrA wrote: hows it rude to expect to win? its not like i said nonys a terrible person or even a bad player. hell predicting someones gonna lose 3 games doesnt even mean you think theyre worse than you. I was reefering to the fact that you were surprised you have to explain that "I would have 3-1 If I played Fe" thing because when you are telling people in every iview that you are the best, you gonna crush your opponent, 3:0 etc. then you really expect people to think "ah hey he surely doesn`t mean it that way he is just pointing out that his chances would have been higher with an FE" ... and btw that was not a "I expect to win" iview PokerStrategy.com TSL: So if Nony goes double nexus every game, you might lose? IdrA[Media]: Nah, if he can get a free double nexus diagonal positions on Andromeda and still almost lose, it won't really matter what builds he does. PokerStrategy.com TSL: Will it be a 3-0 victory for you? IdrA[Media]: Yes. PokerStrategy.com TSL: Hypothetically, if Nony wins, what would you say to him? IdrA[Media]: I don't know, I've never really been a fan of thinking about situations that aren't gonna happen. Seems kinda like a waste of time. yeah can`t find the part where you imply that he is worse than you .... You europeans just need to relax :D | ||
JoMal
Trinidad/Tobago1177 Posts
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538
Hungary3932 Posts
I'm kinda glad they ended up adding that Idra is certainly a better player nonetheless, otherwise it just wouldnt have felt right:-p Villains can't turn alright just like that. (Please dont bother replying to this post with saying that Idra is the better player, thats not really my point.) | ||
Armathai
1022 Posts
On February 16 2010 22:14 IdrA wrote: Show nested quote + On February 16 2010 22:10 damenmofa wrote: On February 16 2010 21:32 ToT)SiLeNcE( wrote: The best part of the interview was when Idra suggested that he would have won 3-1 if he would have gone one fac fe every game. Seriously. That's not how SC works! He always has everything completely figured out ("that's how things should go if I do this and that"). In my opinion that's a massive weakness right there. It's simply not the mindset that you should play Starcraft with... its probably the polar opposite to mondis mindset, maybe thats why he doesnt like him and thinks Sen is a better player. He just cant appreciate/acknowledge that part of SC. you have no clue what mondis mindset is because he lies through his teeth in every interview Overall I found the interview quite good (<3 hating JF's style for being an abusive protoss, although JF is a cool guy and thought his PvP vs Ra was great!) I don't think Idra said he doesn't like Mondi, just thinks he isn't in his prime and thus shouldn't be the victor, however if he does win, we can say dissy demolished the odds. Mondragon is humble and modest in his interviews because that's how German(European) players tend to be, it's a cultural thing, certainly hasn't hurt accomplishments and makes him take less shit by comparison to Idra. Artosis/Idra etc. ranting about how Europeans are falsely modest is just as stupid as Europeans crying about Americans being cocky douchebags. @Idra Mindset and interviews are not the same thing, so Mondi isn't lying, but I figured you need to vent somewhere. | ||
mTwRINE
Germany318 Posts
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torm3ntin
Brazil2534 Posts
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foeffa
Belgium2115 Posts
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KwarK
United States40776 Posts
On February 16 2010 22:14 IdrA wrote: Show nested quote + On February 16 2010 22:10 damenmofa wrote: On February 16 2010 21:32 ToT)SiLeNcE( wrote: The best part of the interview was when Idra suggested that he would have won 3-1 if he would have gone one fac fe every game. Seriously. That's not how SC works! He always has everything completely figured out ("that's how things should go if I do this and that"). In my opinion that's a massive weakness right there. It's simply not the mindset that you should play Starcraft with... its probably the polar opposite to mondis mindset, maybe thats why he doesnt like him and thinks Sen is a better player. He just cant appreciate/acknowledge that part of SC. you have no clue what mondis mindset is because he lies through his teeth in every interview In fairness that's pretty much what social etiquette is. | ||
meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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lac29
United States1485 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On February 16 2010 23:43 JWD wrote: Show nested quote + On February 16 2010 23:30 Zplut wrote: On February 16 2010 23:02 IdrA wrote: hows it rude to expect to win? its not like i said nonys a terrible person or even a bad player. hell predicting someones gonna lose 3 games doesnt even mean you think theyre worse than you. yeah can`t find the part where you imply that he is worse than you .... so what? I don't see why you are worked up over a professional competitor implying he is better than an opponent with idra's history you can't be naive enough to think this is all friendly jostling. There's difference in delivery. | ||
FortuneSyn
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lgd-haze
Sweden547 Posts
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Foreplay
United States1154 Posts
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RaGe
Belgium9937 Posts
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RaGe
Belgium9937 Posts
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Zurles
United Kingdom1659 Posts
On February 17 2010 03:04 RaGe wrote: he should've sent a message to all those who bet on him against nony though I feel the burn too rage. | ||
JWD
United States12607 Posts
On February 17 2010 02:27 TwoToneTerran wrote: Show nested quote + On February 16 2010 23:43 JWD wrote: On February 16 2010 23:30 Zplut wrote: On February 16 2010 23:02 IdrA wrote: hows it rude to expect to win? its not like i said nonys a terrible person or even a bad player. hell predicting someones gonna lose 3 games doesnt even mean you think theyre worse than you. yeah can`t find the part where you imply that he is worse than you .... so what? I don't see why you are worked up over a professional competitor implying he is better than an opponent with idra's history you can't be naive enough to think this is all friendly jostling. There's difference in delivery. Of course it's not just friendly jostling--IdrA isn't joking around when he talks about his opponents' weak/abusive playstyles or their skill levels. He's completely serious...and again, so what? I'm really not sure what you're getting at. Implicit in your comment seems to be the suggestion that, by making some statements about NonY's relative BW skill, IdrA is doing something inappropriate or rude (like indicting NonY's character? I have no idea). That's preposterous. | ||
On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
(my point is its part of the toss race, and terran has been the dominate race for years... continuing to bitch about it won't help you win games as proven time and time again) Having said that, still mad respect for even giving an interview and remaining composed during. | ||
XsebT
Denmark2980 Posts
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
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Lefnui
United States753 Posts
On February 16 2010 19:17 JohnColtrane wrote: Show nested quote + On February 16 2010 18:36 Lefnui wrote: On February 16 2010 17:42 Aus)MaCrO wrote: Great stuff. Much respect to Idra for taking the loss like a man. Wow, just wow. Comments like this one all throughout the thread. The only reasonable explanation I can come up with is that the bar is set really, really low for IdrA in terms of manner. That's the only thing that would explain these responses. He acted arrogantly and guaranteed a dominant win and then lost. So then you applaud him because after the loss he 'took it like a man'? he took it like a man. aus)macro applauded him for taking it like a man. what's the fucking problem? How is it "kicking him while he's down" to state a fact? He guaranteed a dominant win. I'm not being unfair to him, that's what he said before the match. I'm sorry that you apparently can't recall what happened a few days ago. Calm down IdrA fanboy. | ||
OneOther
United States10774 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
Meanwhile, mentally blocking out the CC cancel is probably a good idea. You don't want to dwell too much on that one, or else it'll haunt you for the rest of your life. As for Idra's opinions about the other players, being a mechanics player he is clearly going to favor the other mechanics players. No surprises there. I don't agree with Idra's assessment of Mondragon, as I think Mondragon has really upped his game as of late, but then this is not something we can say without further evidence. JF - well, I'm a fan of his tricky play, actually, but I can see why a mechanics player would not respect that and call it "everything that's wrong with Starcraft." Still, you gotta respect the consistency with which JF pulls out the coin-flips, so to speak. No way he could win every reaver battle by just depending on lucky scarabs, and his cheeses mostly fail anyways. | ||
Insane
United States4991 Posts
Man, I hate how scforall does not work for me. | ||
Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On February 17 2010 02:27 TwoToneTerran wrote: Show nested quote + On February 16 2010 23:43 JWD wrote: On February 16 2010 23:30 Zplut wrote: On February 16 2010 23:02 IdrA wrote: hows it rude to expect to win? its not like i said nonys a terrible person or even a bad player. hell predicting someones gonna lose 3 games doesnt even mean you think theyre worse than you. yeah can`t find the part where you imply that he is worse than you .... so what? I don't see why you are worked up over a professional competitor implying he is better than an opponent with idra's history you can't be naive enough to think this is all friendly jostling. There's difference in delivery. NonY said he was going to 3-1 IdrA. Why not get upset about that? IdrA says he's going to 3-0 nony, everyone has a massive rant about it. For gods sake the hypocrisy is amazing. | ||
AtomicReaction
Canada57 Posts
Also, for all those who have to jump down Idra's throat no matter what he says, jump off the freaking bandwagon. Trust me, it's way more fun when your delicate PC sensibilities aren't being offended by every little comment a professional competitor makes. | ||
SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
Awesome! BackHo crushed Stork many times with legit skills. | ||
Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
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Chux
Peru255 Posts
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EsX_Raptor
United States2801 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
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Slow Motion
United States6960 Posts
On February 17 2010 04:25 EsX_Raptor wrote: the epitome of all that's wrong in starcraft XD That's actually a pretty sexy title. I'd embrace it if I were JF. | ||
SoL[9]
Portugal1370 Posts
The calm before the STORM! | ||
tYsopz
Norway215 Posts
And idra, if you could upload your replay pack that would be totally awesome! | ||
GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France7653 Posts
Artosis: No, no ones worse than Backho, alright? Okay, and what about Mondragon, you don't want to see him as the winner of this event either? IdrA: Not really. He had his prime, he was the dominant player and he deserved his wins then. He's past his prime, he's not as good as the top players right now. I don't think he should win. I think Sen and NonY are more deserving, more skilled. I laughed. Plus bitching so hard someone who hasn't practice for a year and who get further in this tournament than him, who practice twelve hours a day, and who won the last TSL when he got miserably kicked out in the Ro8 is kinda laughable too. Sometimes, I dream to ask him: "Why don't you switch to protoss if it's so easy to win?" | ||
Lefnui
United States753 Posts
On February 17 2010 04:03 Subversive wrote: Show nested quote + On February 17 2010 02:27 TwoToneTerran wrote: On February 16 2010 23:43 JWD wrote: On February 16 2010 23:30 Zplut wrote: On February 16 2010 23:02 IdrA wrote: hows it rude to expect to win? its not like i said nonys a terrible person or even a bad player. hell predicting someones gonna lose 3 games doesnt even mean you think theyre worse than you. yeah can`t find the part where you imply that he is worse than you .... so what? I don't see why you are worked up over a professional competitor implying he is better than an opponent with idra's history you can't be naive enough to think this is all friendly jostling. There's difference in delivery. NonY said he was going to 3-1 IdrA. Why not get upset about that? IdrA says he's going to 3-0 nony, everyone has a massive rant about it. For gods sake the hypocrisy is amazing. There's a distinction between predicting a score in which you are the winner and guaranteeing a dominant win. Why is that so difficult for you to understand? If IdrA had simply said that he expects to win that would be fine. Here's what he said in reality: "Are you going to defeat Nony?" "Of course I will." "Will it be a 3-0 victory for you?" "Yes." "Hypothetically, if Nony wins, what would you say to him?" "I don't know, I've never really been a fan of thinking about situations that aren't gonna happen. Seems kinda like a waste of time." Those are all absolute statements. He didn't merely say "I think I'll win", he guaranteed a dominant victory. Let me make this very, very simple and clear: If you guarantee a dominant victory and then lose you will be mocked, as you deserve to be. | ||
SimonB
United States1088 Posts
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Pacifist
Israel1683 Posts
So if Nony goes double nexus every game, you might lose? IdrA[Media]: Nah, if he can get a free double nexus diagonal positions on Andromeda and still almost lose, it won't really matter what builds he does. That's the real irony. Idra boldly proclaims that Nony's builds won't matter and then loses precisely because of Nony's builds. | ||
EleanorRIgby
Canada3923 Posts
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love1another
United States1844 Posts
On February 17 2010 04:56 Lefnui wrote: Show nested quote + On February 17 2010 04:03 Subversive wrote: On February 17 2010 02:27 TwoToneTerran wrote: On February 16 2010 23:43 JWD wrote: On February 16 2010 23:30 Zplut wrote: On February 16 2010 23:02 IdrA wrote: hows it rude to expect to win? its not like i said nonys a terrible person or even a bad player. hell predicting someones gonna lose 3 games doesnt even mean you think theyre worse than you. yeah can`t find the part where you imply that he is worse than you .... so what? I don't see why you are worked up over a professional competitor implying he is better than an opponent with idra's history you can't be naive enough to think this is all friendly jostling. There's difference in delivery. NonY said he was going to 3-1 IdrA. Why not get upset about that? IdrA says he's going to 3-0 nony, everyone has a massive rant about it. For gods sake the hypocrisy is amazing. There's a distinction between predicting a score in which you are the winner and guaranteeing a dominant win. Why is that so difficult for you to understand? If IdrA had simply said that he expects to win that would be fine. Here's what he said in reality: "Are you going to defeat Nony?" "Of course I will." "Will it be a 3-0 victory for you?" "Yes." "Hypothetically, if Nony wins, what would you say to him?" "I don't know, I've never really been a fan of thinking about situations that aren't gonna happen. Seems kinda like a waste of time." Those are all absolute statements. He didn't merely say "I think I'll win", he guaranteed a dominant victory. Let me make this very, very simple and clear: If you guarantee a dominant victory and then lose you will be mocked, as you deserve to be. I think it was pretty obvious that this part, which people keep quoting, was just sarcastic trash talk before the match to add hype/make drama. I don't think anybody could seriously interpret that pre-match interview as disrespect towards Nony. I thought it was hilarious and really made the series more exciting! | ||
Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
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kernl
84 Posts
On February 17 2010 05:09 Azarkon wrote: Idra thinks he's the best player on the foreigner's scene no matter what even when he loses, that's just the kind of person he is. He is the best player. I don't even understand how people would argue he's not just because he lost. Again: SC would be boring and predictable if the better player would always win. A Bo5 says nothing about who's better, except that one player is not WAY better then the other. And again: Put IdrA against any other foreigner and let them play 1000 games. IdrA would win more than 50%. Makes him the best. Dead simple. | ||
hyst.eric.al
United States2332 Posts
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Mora
Canada5235 Posts
On February 16 2010 20:33 IdrA wrote: the thing is rax cc is already such a fragile build, you have to execute it absolutely perfectly to deal with any kind of aggression. canceling that cost me 100 minerals, half a cc build time, and i was going to be supply stuck. plus i had 4 scvs off mining early since he got first scout. he could have gone 1 gate triple nexus and still had 6 range goons hitting my bunker before the tank was out. mistakes do happen but a player of nonys caliber isnt gonna blow a lead like that, even if i survived. cancelling a cc is a misclick that can happen to anyone, itd take a lot more than that for nony to lose that. Perhaps i just approach it differently than you. If playing through that game would have put you even more on tilt than just exiting out of it, then i can't fault you for doing so. I look forward to seeing more of your games Idra. You won me over quite a while ago. I love watching your games and i find what you do (both in bw and residing in the Korean environment) really impressive. You're one of my favourite players to watch. kudos | ||
Shuray
Brazil642 Posts
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
On February 17 2010 05:09 Azarkon wrote: Idra thinks he's the best player on the foreigner's scene no matter what even when he loses, that's just the kind of person he is. Yep because in order to be the best player you aren't allowed to lose, ever. Also, percieving oneself as the best player when you're an obvious top competitor is just horribly, horribly wrong. Gz on making some real solid points there. | ||
Tigi
Germany472 Posts
edit: how can he predict that the most skilled player left in his opinion, not wins the tournement. Makes no sense again. | ||
MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
great interview and i think idra has some valid points which is uncommon ^^ he seems to become more manner every day | ||
Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On February 17 2010 05:46 hifriend wrote: Show nested quote + On February 17 2010 05:09 Azarkon wrote: Idra thinks he's the best player on the foreigner's scene no matter what even when he loses, that's just the kind of person he is. Yep because in order to be the best player you aren't allowed to lose, ever. Also, percieving oneself as the best player when you're an obvious top competitor is just horribly, horribly wrong. Gz on making some real solid points there. I never said there's something horribly, horribly wrong with Idra's beliefs. Learn to read. | ||
hifriend
China7935 Posts
On February 17 2010 05:49 Azarkon wrote: Show nested quote + On February 17 2010 05:46 hifriend wrote: On February 17 2010 05:09 Azarkon wrote: Idra thinks he's the best player on the foreigner's scene no matter what even when he loses, that's just the kind of person he is. Yep because in order to be the best player you aren't allowed to lose, ever. Also, percieving oneself as the best player when you're an obvious top competitor is just horribly, horribly wrong. Gz on making some real solid points there. I never said there's something horribly, horribly wrong with Idra's beliefs. Learn to read. Seemed like you were implying it, but I could have been wrong, so nvm then. | ||
Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On February 17 2010 05:18 kernl wrote: Show nested quote + On February 17 2010 05:09 Azarkon wrote: Idra thinks he's the best player on the foreigner's scene no matter what even when he loses, that's just the kind of person he is. He is the best player. I don't even understand how people would argue he's not just because he lost. Again: SC would be boring and predictable if the better player would always win. A Bo5 says nothing about who's better, except that one player is not WAY better then the other. And again: Put IdrA against any other foreigner and let them play 1000 games. IdrA would win more than 50%. Makes him the best. Dead simple. By ladder ranks, Idra is clearly the best this season. But whether he's the best foreign SC player depends on how you define "best." That's all there is to it. | ||
sassy
240 Posts
he deserved this way more than nony did. I could never imagine nony cheesing every single game, that was disgusting. A win is a win, im sure he has his fans hope jf slaps him back to where he came from, if not jf then whatever zerg that gets to finals. People dont realize that nony isnt anywhere close to what idra is( and never was) | ||
TheFallofTroy
Canada780 Posts
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PiePie
United States248 Posts
On February 17 2010 06:00 sassy wrote: personally im very upset with idra losing he deserved this way more than nony did. I could never imagine nony cheesing every single game, that was disgusting. A win is a win, im sure he has his fans hope jf slaps him back to where he came from, if not jf then whatever zerg that gets to finals. People dont realize that nony isnt anywhere close to what idra is( and never was) lmao this is pure nerd rage | ||
Lefnui
United States753 Posts
On February 17 2010 05:06 love1another wrote: Show nested quote + On February 17 2010 04:56 Lefnui wrote: On February 17 2010 04:03 Subversive wrote: On February 17 2010 02:27 TwoToneTerran wrote: On February 16 2010 23:43 JWD wrote: On February 16 2010 23:30 Zplut wrote: On February 16 2010 23:02 IdrA wrote: hows it rude to expect to win? its not like i said nonys a terrible person or even a bad player. hell predicting someones gonna lose 3 games doesnt even mean you think theyre worse than you. yeah can`t find the part where you imply that he is worse than you .... so what? I don't see why you are worked up over a professional competitor implying he is better than an opponent with idra's history you can't be naive enough to think this is all friendly jostling. There's difference in delivery. NonY said he was going to 3-1 IdrA. Why not get upset about that? IdrA says he's going to 3-0 nony, everyone has a massive rant about it. For gods sake the hypocrisy is amazing. There's a distinction between predicting a score in which you are the winner and guaranteeing a dominant win. Why is that so difficult for you to understand? If IdrA had simply said that he expects to win that would be fine. Here's what he said in reality: "Are you going to defeat Nony?" "Of course I will." "Will it be a 3-0 victory for you?" "Yes." "Hypothetically, if Nony wins, what would you say to him?" "I don't know, I've never really been a fan of thinking about situations that aren't gonna happen. Seems kinda like a waste of time." Those are all absolute statements. He didn't merely say "I think I'll win", he guaranteed a dominant victory. Let me make this very, very simple and clear: If you guarantee a dominant victory and then lose you will be mocked, as you deserve to be. I think it was pretty obvious that this part, which people keep quoting, was just sarcastic trash talk before the match to add hype/make drama. I don't think anybody could seriously interpret that pre-match interview as disrespect towards Nony. I thought it was hilarious and really made the series more exciting! "Sarcastic"? That makes absolutely no sense. How could that be sarcasm? How could someone be sarcastic when they're guaranteeing a dominant win? People are really grasping in this thread for any possible defense for IdrA, no matter how ridiculous or insane it may be. Why not be reasonable and just say "Alright, he was arrogant and got proven wrong"? | ||
Harem
United States11390 Posts
On February 17 2010 06:23 Lefnui wrote: Show nested quote + On February 17 2010 05:06 love1another wrote: On February 17 2010 04:56 Lefnui wrote: On February 17 2010 04:03 Subversive wrote: On February 17 2010 02:27 TwoToneTerran wrote: On February 16 2010 23:43 JWD wrote: On February 16 2010 23:30 Zplut wrote: On February 16 2010 23:02 IdrA wrote: hows it rude to expect to win? its not like i said nonys a terrible person or even a bad player. hell predicting someones gonna lose 3 games doesnt even mean you think theyre worse than you. yeah can`t find the part where you imply that he is worse than you .... so what? I don't see why you are worked up over a professional competitor implying he is better than an opponent with idra's history you can't be naive enough to think this is all friendly jostling. There's difference in delivery. NonY said he was going to 3-1 IdrA. Why not get upset about that? IdrA says he's going to 3-0 nony, everyone has a massive rant about it. For gods sake the hypocrisy is amazing. There's a distinction between predicting a score in which you are the winner and guaranteeing a dominant win. Why is that so difficult for you to understand? If IdrA had simply said that he expects to win that would be fine. Here's what he said in reality: "Are you going to defeat Nony?" "Of course I will." "Will it be a 3-0 victory for you?" "Yes." "Hypothetically, if Nony wins, what would you say to him?" "I don't know, I've never really been a fan of thinking about situations that aren't gonna happen. Seems kinda like a waste of time." Those are all absolute statements. He didn't merely say "I think I'll win", he guaranteed a dominant victory. Let me make this very, very simple and clear: If you guarantee a dominant victory and then lose you will be mocked, as you deserve to be. I think it was pretty obvious that this part, which people keep quoting, was just sarcastic trash talk before the match to add hype/make drama. I don't think anybody could seriously interpret that pre-match interview as disrespect towards Nony. I thought it was hilarious and really made the series more exciting! "Sarcastic"? That makes absolutely no sense. How could that be sarcasm? How could someone be sarcastic when they're guaranteeing a dominant win? People are really grasping in this thread for any possible defense for IdrA, no matter how ridiculous or insane it may be. Why not be reasonable and just say "Alright, he was arrogant and got proven wrong"? Sounds more like you are grasping for straws to prove your point if anything. | ||
Sean.G
Spain889 Posts
I don't see the problem. He was very cocky and arrogant and his predictions were completely wrong against NonY. Why is it wrong to make fun of him for that? He talks shit about other players and is cocky and arrogant all the time, why shouldn't people be allowed to make fun his loss? You can't just behave like he did and make 3-0 predictions as if you are some god and then not expect to get bashed when you are completely mistaken.. He is just getting what he deserves, its nothing more than that. That's how it always is when things like these happen.. | ||
Captain Mayhem
Sweden774 Posts
On February 17 2010 06:23 Lefnui wrote: Show nested quote + On February 17 2010 05:06 love1another wrote: On February 17 2010 04:56 Lefnui wrote: On February 17 2010 04:03 Subversive wrote: On February 17 2010 02:27 TwoToneTerran wrote: On February 16 2010 23:43 JWD wrote: On February 16 2010 23:30 Zplut wrote: On February 16 2010 23:02 IdrA wrote: hows it rude to expect to win? its not like i said nonys a terrible person or even a bad player. hell predicting someones gonna lose 3 games doesnt even mean you think theyre worse than you. yeah can`t find the part where you imply that he is worse than you .... so what? I don't see why you are worked up over a professional competitor implying he is better than an opponent with idra's history you can't be naive enough to think this is all friendly jostling. There's difference in delivery. NonY said he was going to 3-1 IdrA. Why not get upset about that? IdrA says he's going to 3-0 nony, everyone has a massive rant about it. For gods sake the hypocrisy is amazing. There's a distinction between predicting a score in which you are the winner and guaranteeing a dominant win. Why is that so difficult for you to understand? If IdrA had simply said that he expects to win that would be fine. Here's what he said in reality: "Are you going to defeat Nony?" "Of course I will." "Will it be a 3-0 victory for you?" "Yes." "Hypothetically, if Nony wins, what would you say to him?" "I don't know, I've never really been a fan of thinking about situations that aren't gonna happen. Seems kinda like a waste of time." Those are all absolute statements. He didn't merely say "I think I'll win", he guaranteed a dominant victory. Let me make this very, very simple and clear: If you guarantee a dominant victory and then lose you will be mocked, as you deserve to be. I think it was pretty obvious that this part, which people keep quoting, was just sarcastic trash talk before the match to add hype/make drama. I don't think anybody could seriously interpret that pre-match interview as disrespect towards Nony. I thought it was hilarious and really made the series more exciting! "Sarcastic"? That makes absolutely no sense. How could that be sarcasm? How could someone be sarcastic when they're guaranteeing a dominant win? People are really grasping in this thread for any possible defense for IdrA, no matter how ridiculous or insane it may be. Why not be reasonable and just say "Alright, he was arrogant and got proven wrong"? Uhm... I'm personally more of a Nony fan than an Idra fan, but that was pretty clearly just some for-fun's-sake trash talk. And you're making it bigger than it was. | ||
RyanS
United States620 Posts
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Lefnui
United States753 Posts
On February 17 2010 07:01 Captain Mayhem wrote: Show nested quote + On February 17 2010 06:23 Lefnui wrote: On February 17 2010 05:06 love1another wrote: On February 17 2010 04:56 Lefnui wrote: On February 17 2010 04:03 Subversive wrote: On February 17 2010 02:27 TwoToneTerran wrote: On February 16 2010 23:43 JWD wrote: On February 16 2010 23:30 Zplut wrote: On February 16 2010 23:02 IdrA wrote: hows it rude to expect to win? its not like i said nonys a terrible person or even a bad player. hell predicting someones gonna lose 3 games doesnt even mean you think theyre worse than you. yeah can`t find the part where you imply that he is worse than you .... so what? I don't see why you are worked up over a professional competitor implying he is better than an opponent with idra's history you can't be naive enough to think this is all friendly jostling. There's difference in delivery. NonY said he was going to 3-1 IdrA. Why not get upset about that? IdrA says he's going to 3-0 nony, everyone has a massive rant about it. For gods sake the hypocrisy is amazing. There's a distinction between predicting a score in which you are the winner and guaranteeing a dominant win. Why is that so difficult for you to understand? If IdrA had simply said that he expects to win that would be fine. Here's what he said in reality: "Are you going to defeat Nony?" "Of course I will." "Will it be a 3-0 victory for you?" "Yes." "Hypothetically, if Nony wins, what would you say to him?" "I don't know, I've never really been a fan of thinking about situations that aren't gonna happen. Seems kinda like a waste of time." Those are all absolute statements. He didn't merely say "I think I'll win", he guaranteed a dominant victory. Let me make this very, very simple and clear: If you guarantee a dominant victory and then lose you will be mocked, as you deserve to be. I think it was pretty obvious that this part, which people keep quoting, was just sarcastic trash talk before the match to add hype/make drama. I don't think anybody could seriously interpret that pre-match interview as disrespect towards Nony. I thought it was hilarious and really made the series more exciting! "Sarcastic"? That makes absolutely no sense. How could that be sarcasm? How could someone be sarcastic when they're guaranteeing a dominant win? People are really grasping in this thread for any possible defense for IdrA, no matter how ridiculous or insane it may be. Why not be reasonable and just say "Alright, he was arrogant and got proven wrong"? Uhm... I'm personally more of a Nony fan than an Idra fan, but that was pretty clearly just some for-fun's-sake trash talk. And you're making it bigger than it was. If making arrogant statements and then getting beaten is a matter of "fun" then IdrA is a party. On February 17 2010 06:59 Sean.G wrote: Hah, so many ridiculous posts trying to defend IdrA. I don't see the problem. He was very cocky and arrogant and his predictions were completely wrong against NonY. Why is it wrong to make fun of him for that? He talks shit about other players and is cocky and arrogant all the time, why shouldn't people be allowed to make fun his loss? You can't just behave like he did and make 3-0 predictions as if you are some god and then not expect to get bashed when you are completely mistaken.. He is just getting what he deserves, its nothing more than that. That's how it always is when things like these happen.. Thank you. It was refreshing to read a post that actually made sense. | ||
aqui
Germany1023 Posts
On February 17 2010 04:02 Insane wrote: FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU---- Man, I hate how scforall does not work for me. In FF or Chrome sc4all doesnt load for me either, but it does in IE. So whenever there is a sc4all video i use ie to view it. | ||
Wings
United States999 Posts
On February 17 2010 05:59 Azarkon wrote: Show nested quote + On February 17 2010 05:18 kernl wrote: On February 17 2010 05:09 Azarkon wrote: Idra thinks he's the best player on the foreigner's scene no matter what even when he loses, that's just the kind of person he is. He is the best player. I don't even understand how people would argue he's not just because he lost. Again: SC would be boring and predictable if the better player would always win. A Bo5 says nothing about who's better, except that one player is not WAY better then the other. And again: Put IdrA against any other foreigner and let them play 1000 games. IdrA would win more than 50%. Makes him the best. Dead simple. By ladder ranks, Idra is clearly the best this season. But whether he's the best foreign SC player depends on how you define "best." That's all there is to it. IdrA is the only foreigner in Korea Progaming right now and he is ranked 2nd on the B-Team of CJ Entus. How could you possibly compare him to ANY other foreigner, save Ret? Those two stand so much higher than everyone else. They lost, but Starcraft is not a game where the better player ALWAYS wins, if you think about it, JD/Flash have 70% wins, but 30% is still a damn big number for how much they train. IdrA had his bad/unlucky games, Ret picked up ZvZ a few months ago. Can we please just admit that IdrA is the best foreigner hands down today? Sure some may detest his attitude but that has absolutely nothing to do with his skill. This isn't American Idol where you can vote for the nice and good looking but bad singer. | ||
errol1001
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
* He's a progamer in Korea * He is ranked 2nd on the CJ Entus B-team * He wins more than he loses Are there anyone who disagree with this criteria for "best foreign player?" | ||
kernl
84 Posts
On February 17 2010 07:31 errol1001 wrote: I'm going to have to agree with the statement that Mondragon lies through his teeth in his interviews. Also have to disagree with that being what 'social etiquette' is. If anything, it shows a lack of respect for the audience and for your opponent to never express any of what you actually think. How does he lie exactly? Predicting that he'll lose is if anything unrealistic. Lying on the other hand requires contradicting facts. He is simply more mannered, even if he thinks he's going to crush all the noobs in his way, it's part of good sportsmanship not to put it like that in public. | ||
Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
mouz.Fenix vs Me: Fenix showed a great performance vs kolll and proved his TvZ is top notch. Considering kolll is said to be the best ZvT in Europe, I don't think I have much of a chance. Idra would probably think that this was a case of Mondragon being falsely modest because there's no way he would've went into the match thinking he didn't have much of a chance. Actually, I could see how one could interpret this as subtle sarcasm on Mondragon's part because he feels that koll is being overhyped, though I don't think that was Mondragon's intention, necessarily. | ||
zerglingsfolife
United States1694 Posts
On February 17 2010 07:01 RyanS wrote: Idra still talking shit after being defeated. Manner up, skill up, and shut up. I'm sure your B-team partners would win 3-0 against every player in this tournament regardless of "gay cheesy builds." Terran lost to Grape 2-1. I know that Grape is on Estro, but surely the B teams of CJ and Estro aren't that far apart. Not to mention, NonY is a much, much better player than Terran. Your statement is quite ridiculous. Boxer lost to G5 and White Ra. G5 didn't even make it into the TSL. | ||
Biff The Understudy
France7653 Posts
On February 17 2010 07:38 Azarkon wrote: Wings: so, from your point of view, let me summarize the arguments for Idra being the best foreign player: * He's a progamer in Korea * He is ranked 2nd on the CJ Entus B-team * He wins more than he loses Are there anyone who disagree with this criteria for "best foreign player?" You know, three things: 1- It would be fucking fucking sad if Idra was not better than people who practice between three and four time less than him since two years. 2- He is not CJ B-team number 2. He has been ranked 2 in a B-team tournament. If that makes him number 2 of the house, then he is number 5 to 8 foreigner as he has been 5 to 8 at TSL2. 3- It's quite amazing that after theses huge efforts, sacrifying sooo much in order to be a god at starcraft he manages to lose a Bo5 to Nony at his most important tournament and getting spanked 2-0 by a fourteen years old german amateur in what is supposed to be his best matchup at WCG. Then look at his awesome results against real pros in prelims. 0-4. He didn't take a single game. And he was not playing Flash and Bisu. | ||
PiePie
United States248 Posts
On February 17 2010 08:09 Biff The Understudy wrote: Show nested quote + On February 17 2010 07:38 Azarkon wrote: Wings: so, from your point of view, let me summarize the arguments for Idra being the best foreign player: * He's a progamer in Korea * He is ranked 2nd on the CJ Entus B-team * He wins more than he loses Are there anyone who disagree with this criteria for "best foreign player?" You know, three things: 1- It would be fucking fucking sad if Idra was not better than people who practice between three and four time less than him since two years. 2- He is not CJ B-team number 2. He has been ranked 2 in a B-team tournament. If that makes him number 2 of the house, then he is number 5 to 8 foreigner as he has been 5 to 8 at TSL2. 3- It's quite amazing that after theses huge efforts, sacrifying sooo much in order to be a god at starcraft he manages to lose a Bo5 to Nony at his most important tournament and getting spanked 2-0 by a fourteen years old german amateur in what is supposed to be his best matchup at WCG. Then look at his awesome results against real pros in prelims. 0-4. He didn't take a single game. And he was not playing Flash and Bisu. This was so good I creamed my pants | ||
Bosu
United States3247 Posts
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Noxide
United States2870 Posts
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
JF is backho." -Idra I agree | ||
Essence
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We Are Here
Australia1810 Posts
good interview thanks | ||
blipster8
United States71 Posts
On February 16 2010 17:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On February 16 2010 17:02 qrs wrote: Artosis was kissing up to Idra too much for my taste ("Oh, for sure, you outmicroed him." "Yes, that was practically a build order win for Nony" etc. etc.), although it is understandable, considering that Idra was granting him an interview after a loss, which was gracious of Idra. Despite that, good interview over all. Thanks to both of you. It isn't kissing up to agree with a correct statement. He agreed the game on Andro was a build order win for IdrA too. seems like confirmation bias to me The game on Andro *was* a build order win. A build order win is when both players are acting without vision at the start of the game and someone gets an autowin out of it. In game 5, Nony proxied *after* he scouted Idra. If your first scout gets to me base and you know a way to (almost) 100% kill the build I'm doing, it isn't some lucky build order win when you crush me - it's just me having done a build without knowing how to defend that build versus aggression. | ||
saltywet
Hong Kong1316 Posts
On February 17 2010 09:03 LunarDestiny wrote: "Nony is Stork. JF is backho." -Idra I agree JF is more like a protoss version of Jae Dong; king of 3-2 comebacks and funny nony got 3-0'd by Draco and 3-1'd by Brat last TSL | ||
expendable
United States17 Posts
Idra still talking shit after being defeated. Manner up, skill up, and shut up. I'm sure your B-team partners would win 3-0 against every player in this tournament regardless of "gay cheesy builds." Why do people make posts like this? You don't see the giant hypocrisy of telling Idra to manner up when you are talking out of your ass like this (hint: Idra is one of the better/best B teamers)? Anyway, gg's, GL to Nony, sad to see Idra out. | ||
funnybananaman
United States830 Posts
On February 16 2010 15:53 Artosis wrote: The interview you are all dying to see got that right! haha | ||
fabiano
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On February 17 2010 03:21 JWD wrote: Show nested quote + On February 17 2010 02:27 TwoToneTerran wrote: On February 16 2010 23:43 JWD wrote: On February 16 2010 23:30 Zplut wrote: On February 16 2010 23:02 IdrA wrote: hows it rude to expect to win? its not like i said nonys a terrible person or even a bad player. hell predicting someones gonna lose 3 games doesnt even mean you think theyre worse than you. yeah can`t find the part where you imply that he is worse than you .... so what? I don't see why you are worked up over a professional competitor implying he is better than an opponent with idra's history you can't be naive enough to think this is all friendly jostling. There's difference in delivery. Of course it's not just friendly jostling--IdrA isn't joking around when he talks about his opponents' weak/abusive playstyles or their skill levels. He's completely serious...and again, so what? I'm really not sure what you're getting at. Implicit in your comment seems to be the suggestion that, by making some statements about NonY's relative BW skill, IdrA is doing something inappropriate or rude (like indicting NonY's character? I have no idea). That's preposterous. No, he's an absolute dick about it the way he's an absolute dick about 90% of the stuff he does, starcraftwise. I'm not getting onto him about it -- Hell I love it for the flavor it adds. But it's not as simple as "he's just implying he's better." The way Idra talks ALL of his competition down for the past year has more been implying everyone else is garbage. He's a jerk and that's why people don't like it when he's on his high horse, he just tends to be able to back up his claims more often then not (ironically he pretty much only missed out on the 2 biggest tournaments for foreigners. Oh well). | ||
flag
United States228 Posts
not totally true, there is hope (ex idra hater here) | ||
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Dominican Republic825 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On February 17 2010 09:55 fabiano wrote: im neutral on this idra matter, dont like him, dont hate him. But i have one question that is bothering me, why cant he defend against cheese? He seems to complain a lot about cheese... what people dont seem to realize is that cheese is usually quite effective, but people often avoid it because of the risks involved. but i get cheesed nearly every game vs foreigners because that risk is worth it, so of course it seems like i lose to cheese more than everyone else. just look at this series, on andro he double nexused, which is an econ cheese, and i beat it, and on desti he went proxy gate into 4 gate into dt, and i beat it. its not that i cant defend cheese, its just that it happens so often that im gonna lose to it once in a while and people remember those times. | ||
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intrigue
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Daedes
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NeoOmega
United States495 Posts
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littlechava
United States7215 Posts
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Daedes
Bangladesh105 Posts
important SC tourneys r over | ||
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N.sL)_CirCle
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
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United States11530 Posts
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love1another
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minus_human
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Loved the interview, Idra seemed much more professional, this is a player I could cheer for. | ||
minus_human
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On February 17 2010 11:33 love1another wrote: Is it okay to love Idra, JF, AND Mondragon? yes, but you should do it in this order: Idra, Mondi, JF because, you know, JF's a toss, can't sit next to Idra | ||
fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
On February 17 2010 10:16 IdrA wrote: what people dont seem to realize is that cheese is usually quite effective, but people often avoid it because of the risks involved. but i get cheesed nearly every game vs foreigners because that risk is worth it, so of course it seems like i lose to cheese more than everyone else. just look at this series, on andro he double nexused, which is an econ cheese, and i beat it, and on desti he went proxy gate into 4 gate into dt, and i beat it. its not that i cant defend cheese, its just that it happens so often that im gonna lose to it once in a while and people remember those times. oh, you are right indeed, i had not thought of that, my apologies. well, i believe the reason most foreigns cheese you because it must be damn hard to beat you in a long game... | ||
HazMat
United States17077 Posts
My comp runs SCforall fine but my laptop doesn't. | ||
Nick_54
United States2230 Posts
On February 17 2010 10:33 littlechava wrote: make 10k releasing your reppack early QFT man | ||
Coulthard
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errol1001
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On February 17 2010 11:05 N.sL)_CirCle wrote: Why does Idra hate Mondragon? and why does Idra say he lies in his interviews. I've never spoken to either of them but mondragon seems well liked within the community and his interviews are generally fairly open - whether they are honest and open is obviously a matter of opinion; just wondering what Idra meant by those comments... He doesn't hate Mondragon. Why do people keep making things up. | ||
Toads
Canada1795 Posts
'' he deserve to win this game '' | ||
bjornkavist
Canada1235 Posts
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diggurd
Norway346 Posts
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
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CakeOrI)eath
United States327 Posts
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Azarkon
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maneatingshoe
Canada484 Posts
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
better luck next time! | ||
IronWolf
South Africa315 Posts
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
On February 17 2010 13:24 Warrior Madness wrote: I still can't believe Idra lost D: Nony is amazing, but Idra is Idra, and he trains with people who INVENTED some of the builds nony used. Thats my favourite part. He lost to a build created by one of his practice partners. lol | ||
MyLastSerenade
Germany710 Posts
Thx to Artosis and IdrA | ||
504Gate
Bulgaria18 Posts
gL~ next time Idra. ps. Idra, REALISE REPPACK plss that`s going to be GREAT! | ||
Polygamy
Austria1114 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France7653 Posts
On February 17 2010 10:16 IdrA wrote: Show nested quote + On February 17 2010 09:55 fabiano wrote: im neutral on this idra matter, dont like him, dont hate him. But i have one question that is bothering me, why cant he defend against cheese? He seems to complain a lot about cheese... what people dont seem to realize is that cheese is usually quite effective, but people often avoid it because of the risks involved. but i get cheesed nearly every game vs foreigners because that risk is worth it, so of course it seems like i lose to cheese more than everyone else. just look at this series, on andro he double nexused, which is an econ cheese, and i beat it, and on desti he went proxy gate into 4 gate into dt, and i beat it. its not that i cant defend cheese, its just that it happens so often that im gonna lose to it once in a while and people remember those times. Double nexus is a cheese? So you cheesed every single game? HAHAHA GAY LOLOLOLOL Anyway. By the way. I would love to see a BackHo Idra grudge match. I would bet a loooot that it ends up 3-0 for BackHo. | ||
We Are Here
Australia1810 Posts
On February 17 2010 18:34 Biff The Understudy wrote: lolwut? how does a terran double nexus?Show nested quote + On February 17 2010 10:16 IdrA wrote: On February 17 2010 09:55 fabiano wrote: im neutral on this idra matter, dont like him, dont hate him. But i have one question that is bothering me, why cant he defend against cheese? He seems to complain a lot about cheese... what people dont seem to realize is that cheese is usually quite effective, but people often avoid it because of the risks involved. but i get cheesed nearly every game vs foreigners because that risk is worth it, so of course it seems like i lose to cheese more than everyone else. just look at this series, on andro he double nexused, which is an econ cheese, and i beat it, and on desti he went proxy gate into 4 gate into dt, and i beat it. its not that i cant defend cheese, its just that it happens so often that im gonna lose to it once in a while and people remember those times. Double nexus is a cheese? So you cheesed every single game? HAHAHA GAY LOLOLOLOL Anyway. By the way. I would love to see a BackHo Idra grudge match. I would bet a loooot that it ends up 3-0 for BackHo. | ||
Leviance
Germany4079 Posts
On February 17 2010 12:37 errol1001 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 17 2010 11:05 N.sL)_CirCle wrote: Why does Idra hate Mondragon? and why does Idra say he lies in his interviews. I've never spoken to either of them but mondragon seems well liked within the community and his interviews are generally fairly open - whether they are honest and open is obviously a matter of opinion; just wondering what Idra meant by those comments... He doesn't hate Mondragon. Why do people keep making things up. At least he doesn't seem to respect him too much. Earlier this TSL he said in an interview that there is only one single talented German player: kolll. This, of course, means that Mondi is not talented -.- Not too fair of a statement. Similar to this whole lying out of teeth thing, but as someone said before, this is probably really a cultural thing, if Mondi spoke disrespectful and cocky like IdrA in his interviews he wouldn't have nearly as many fans over here. "False European Modesty" - whatever. I don't believe IdrA would like him any better if he trashtalked all the time, though, it must be something else. But as IdrA is actively posting in this thread, maybe he could make clear what really his opinion is about the player Mondragon besides that he's lying, nowhere near his prime and not deserving to win this tournament. So no one has to guess and make shit up. Anyway, I also kinda liked this Interview - I don't hate IdrA, just don't like some of the disrespect, but I'm sure he's an overall cool person to hang out with. He had the best conditions[(?) might be wrong word, bad english sry] to win this TSL, BUT if you think that no one else deserves to win a tournament but the player/team who is theoretically the "best" on paper, you know not too much about sports and competition. It's about the Winner deserving the win, but also the Loser deserving the loss if he messed up or didn't play with his full potential, couldn't handle the competetive cirumstances, etc. | ||
BalloonFight
United States2007 Posts
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Oedi
Canada265 Posts
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fOscB.Sulik.SLR
Kyrgyzstan59 Posts
Much like in Korean pro scene every single quarter-finalist says how he will dominate all the others and become a champion. Of course we know it can't happen. There's only one champion around there. However - take that mentality off these kids - and they're gonna drop. It's "i'm the best' mentality that drives them through those hard-ass 12/7 training sessions "with no real life". Idra wishes to become a true Korean, as his mentality is Korean already. )) But, of course, Mondi is more like a "good fella i'd like to be" )) | ||
kOre
Canada3642 Posts
On February 17 2010 18:57 We Are Here wrote: Show nested quote + lolwut? how does a terran double nexus?On February 17 2010 18:34 Biff The Understudy wrote: On February 17 2010 10:16 IdrA wrote: On February 17 2010 09:55 fabiano wrote: im neutral on this idra matter, dont like him, dont hate him. But i have one question that is bothering me, why cant he defend against cheese? He seems to complain a lot about cheese... what people dont seem to realize is that cheese is usually quite effective, but people often avoid it because of the risks involved. but i get cheesed nearly every game vs foreigners because that risk is worth it, so of course it seems like i lose to cheese more than everyone else. just look at this series, on andro he double nexused, which is an econ cheese, and i beat it, and on desti he went proxy gate into 4 gate into dt, and i beat it. its not that i cant defend cheese, its just that it happens so often that im gonna lose to it once in a while and people remember those times. Double nexus is a cheese? So you cheesed every single game? HAHAHA GAY LOLOLOLOL Anyway. By the way. I would love to see a BackHo Idra grudge match. I would bet a loooot that it ends up 3-0 for BackHo. obv he means double nex is similar to 1rax fast expand lol | ||
7mk
Germany10156 Posts
gotta feel sorry for Idra, must be so goddamn frustrating for him, especially with the cc cancel and all. I wonder though if he actually watched the mondragon TSL games, who played such amazing ZvT there, I'm pretty sure he's just biased because he beat mondragon pretty badly in the ESL games a short while ago, but in those games mondragon did some early/mid game mistakes so it didnt even get to the late game. | ||
Belano
Sweden657 Posts
Good luck to IdrA in the future! | ||
Not_A_Notion
Ireland441 Posts
So now I just hope Rush and/or BByong go on a losing streak to give IdrA a chance to get a number of KDL games under his belt | ||
Murlox
France1699 Posts
I've been such a sheep... thanks for creating, and broadcasting the light once again Artosis. | ||
OneOther
United States10774 Posts
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HadeCiaoAminakoyum
Germany80 Posts
thx artosis 4 bringing this interview | ||
PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
for sure no one believes mondi when he tells everyone in his interviews that hes the underdog. He almost always does this. Its just another strategy. Maybe it makes mondi more relaxed cause he knows losing now lets it look at least as if he expected it and so on.. Its the exact opposite of what Idra and Nony do. Predicting to win there next matches in dominant fashion. Even looking ahead opponents and stating '' Im gonna be bold and say I' ll win this whole thing'' I mean calling mondi a liar and stuff is pretty dumb.. It's just HIS way of doing what Idra and Nony are doing .. just exactly the other way around + Mondi winning this would be awesome for him.. being in this game for so long and finishing it that way kinda.. I mean actually I dont mind how it all went so far at all. We are having a amazing final now no matter what. It doesnt matter who wins in the semis.. gonna be pretty cool anyways And this is probably a bit strange now but even though I dont like idra as a person and his behaviour.. I simply have to agree.. Idra vs Sen or especially Mondi in the final would have been so boring for the viewers .. No way idra wouldnt have killed them.. But with PvZ 100 % coming up and hopefully Nony vs any of the two zerg monsters.. all is fine =) @ Idra: In the series of jf vs gosi terran .. what in this series would make your claim that nony is stork and jf is backho justified ? I mean JF just was better in that series and won pretty clearly, didnt he ? | ||
luckybeni2
Germany1065 Posts
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5676 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France7653 Posts
On February 17 2010 21:10 kOre wrote: Show nested quote + On February 17 2010 18:57 We Are Here wrote: On February 17 2010 18:34 Biff The Understudy wrote: lolwut? how does a terran double nexus?On February 17 2010 10:16 IdrA wrote: On February 17 2010 09:55 fabiano wrote: im neutral on this idra matter, dont like him, dont hate him. But i have one question that is bothering me, why cant he defend against cheese? He seems to complain a lot about cheese... what people dont seem to realize is that cheese is usually quite effective, but people often avoid it because of the risks involved. but i get cheesed nearly every game vs foreigners because that risk is worth it, so of course it seems like i lose to cheese more than everyone else. just look at this series, on andro he double nexused, which is an econ cheese, and i beat it, and on desti he went proxy gate into 4 gate into dt, and i beat it. its not that i cant defend cheese, its just that it happens so often that im gonna lose to it once in a while and people remember those times. Double nexus is a cheese? So you cheesed every single game? HAHAHA GAY LOLOLOLOL Anyway. By the way. I would love to see a BackHo Idra grudge match. I would bet a loooot that it ends up 3-0 for BackHo. obv he means double nex is similar to 1rax fast expand lol Thanks. Idra cries when someone plays abusive strategies then he plays abusive strategies himself; he get outsmarted and then he cries because he should have played standart. Hahaha. User was banned for this and an uncountable amount of IdrA-flaming. | ||
sassy
240 Posts
On February 18 2010 02:57 Biff The Understudy wrote: Show nested quote + On February 17 2010 21:10 kOre wrote: On February 17 2010 18:57 We Are Here wrote: On February 17 2010 18:34 Biff The Understudy wrote: lolwut? how does a terran double nexus?On February 17 2010 10:16 IdrA wrote: On February 17 2010 09:55 fabiano wrote: im neutral on this idra matter, dont like him, dont hate him. But i have one question that is bothering me, why cant he defend against cheese? He seems to complain a lot about cheese... what people dont seem to realize is that cheese is usually quite effective, but people often avoid it because of the risks involved. but i get cheesed nearly every game vs foreigners because that risk is worth it, so of course it seems like i lose to cheese more than everyone else. just look at this series, on andro he double nexused, which is an econ cheese, and i beat it, and on desti he went proxy gate into 4 gate into dt, and i beat it. its not that i cant defend cheese, its just that it happens so often that im gonna lose to it once in a while and people remember those times. Double nexus is a cheese? So you cheesed every single game? HAHAHA GAY LOLOLOLOL Anyway. By the way. I would love to see a BackHo Idra grudge match. I would bet a loooot that it ends up 3-0 for BackHo. obv he means double nex is similar to 1rax fast expand lol Thanks. Idra cries when someone plays abusive strategies then he plays abusive strategies himself; he get outsmarted and then he cries because he should have played standart. Hahaha. stop this crusade, youre sounding shittier with every comment youre acting like a 12 year old | ||
nodule
Canada931 Posts
Idra was confident before the match, sure... should he not be? People are mad because his pre-match bravura was slightly-exaggerated tongue-in-cheekly, I suppose? It is totally clear that he respects the ability of the guy who just beat him... he says it explicitly multiple times in this interview. | ||
general.snus
Norway60 Posts
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ArchoN[VenoM]
United States90 Posts
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
On February 18 2010 02:57 Biff The Understudy wrote: Show nested quote + On February 17 2010 21:10 kOre wrote: On February 17 2010 18:57 We Are Here wrote: On February 17 2010 18:34 Biff The Understudy wrote: lolwut? how does a terran double nexus?On February 17 2010 10:16 IdrA wrote: On February 17 2010 09:55 fabiano wrote: im neutral on this idra matter, dont like him, dont hate him. But i have one question that is bothering me, why cant he defend against cheese? He seems to complain a lot about cheese... what people dont seem to realize is that cheese is usually quite effective, but people often avoid it because of the risks involved. but i get cheesed nearly every game vs foreigners because that risk is worth it, so of course it seems like i lose to cheese more than everyone else. just look at this series, on andro he double nexused, which is an econ cheese, and i beat it, and on desti he went proxy gate into 4 gate into dt, and i beat it. its not that i cant defend cheese, its just that it happens so often that im gonna lose to it once in a while and people remember those times. Double nexus is a cheese? So you cheesed every single game? HAHAHA GAY LOLOLOLOL Anyway. By the way. I would love to see a BackHo Idra grudge match. I would bet a loooot that it ends up 3-0 for BackHo. obv he means double nex is similar to 1rax fast expand lol Thanks. Idra cries when someone plays abusive strategies then he plays abusive strategies himself; he get outsmarted and then he cries because he should have played standart. Hahaha. User was banned for this and an uncountable amount of IdrA-flaming. Best ban ever. | ||
Pure.Freedom
United States114 Posts
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number1gog
United States1081 Posts
On February 18 2010 06:06 hifriend wrote: Show nested quote + On February 18 2010 02:57 Biff The Understudy wrote: On February 17 2010 21:10 kOre wrote: On February 17 2010 18:57 We Are Here wrote: On February 17 2010 18:34 Biff The Understudy wrote: lolwut? how does a terran double nexus?On February 17 2010 10:16 IdrA wrote: On February 17 2010 09:55 fabiano wrote: im neutral on this idra matter, dont like him, dont hate him. But i have one question that is bothering me, why cant he defend against cheese? He seems to complain a lot about cheese... what people dont seem to realize is that cheese is usually quite effective, but people often avoid it because of the risks involved. but i get cheesed nearly every game vs foreigners because that risk is worth it, so of course it seems like i lose to cheese more than everyone else. just look at this series, on andro he double nexused, which is an econ cheese, and i beat it, and on desti he went proxy gate into 4 gate into dt, and i beat it. its not that i cant defend cheese, its just that it happens so often that im gonna lose to it once in a while and people remember those times. Double nexus is a cheese? So you cheesed every single game? HAHAHA GAY LOLOLOLOL Anyway. By the way. I would love to see a BackHo Idra grudge match. I would bet a loooot that it ends up 3-0 for BackHo. obv he means double nex is similar to 1rax fast expand lol Thanks. Idra cries when someone plays abusive strategies then he plays abusive strategies himself; he get outsmarted and then he cries because he should have played standart. Hahaha. User was banned for this and an uncountable amount of IdrA-flaming. Best ban ever. When I was reading this thread yesterday I was shocked it hadn't happened yet. I'm happier now. | ||
citi.zen
2509 Posts
I personally LOVE that Mondi is doing this well even though he is "past his prime" mechanically or otherwise. As an amateur player this is great to see: more creativity + decent execution can still give someone an edge. That proxy hatch on Destination, the timing he does on guardians + swarm attacks, he had really nicely thought out builds each round. I can't wait to see what he's going to come up with next. | ||
movmou
United States142 Posts
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PGWodehouse
United Kingdom16 Posts
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Australia1810 Posts
On February 18 2010 06:14 Pure.Freedom wrote: probably ret, but who knows Is there any foreigner IdrA respects more than Nony? I thought the interview was pretty good, i dont feel like he always has to BM to be entertaining. | ||
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Especially after cc cancel lol | ||
pat965
Canada274 Posts
On February 20 2010 02:38 Ian Ian Ian wrote: Should have asked him why he gg'ed in that series. Especially after cc cancel lol Did you even watch it? | ||
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