With the open qualifier portion of the PokerStrategy.com TSL is approaching it's conclusion, it's time that we announced some more of our Korean invites. Last week we announced that three of the best Protoss players in the world would be joining us for TSL3 - Genius, Huk and MC. As promised, this news post will reveal our five Zerg invites. That leaves the announcement of our remaining 5 Terran players for next week.
Zerg players we have invited to the TSL this season are truly phenomenal players. They have had profound influences on the Zerg metagame and continue to be players which inspire fans around the world. They represent the small glimmer of hope that a Zerg will rise and claim some tournament wins back from the Terrans. They are truly the best of the best, and we are honoured to have them participate this season.
Before we get into the Zerg invites, you might like to enter our raffle by completing the quiz over at PokerStrategy.com - you never know, you might be the lucky person getting an all expenses paid trip to Korea!
IdrA, or maybe better known as the Gracken, has become a household name over the past year. After a prolonged experience as a Progamer for CJ Entus in Starcraft 1, IdrA jumped right into Starcraft 2 the moment the beta hit. Since then he has been the Zerg Zergs aspire to be. He set the tone for the race with his macro oriented play and has been one of the key contributors to the Zerg metagame in all matchups. Despite not making the Top 8 in the first three seasons of the GSL, IdrA was one of the most consistent performers throughout and actively had teams of Koreans devising strategies solely for the purpose of eliminating him. His consistency was rewarded with a place in Code S. Last season he finally broke into the Top 8 where he fell to the Gorilla Terran, Jinro, in an entertaining Bo5 series. Internationally, Idra has only ever not made the final of a foreign tournament once (MLG Dallas) and is always the man to beat when he shows up. After making the previous two TSLs, IdrA will be looking to take his first TSL title this season - anything else would be a disappointment for such a talented and skilled player.
Despite flying under the radar for quite some time, Haypro is one of the strongest Zergs around. He made it through the gruelling GSL Qualifiers to get a shot in the GSL where he unfortunately fell to BitByBit.Prime. More recently Haypro was selected as one of the Code A seeds and you will be seeing him later this month as he tries to qualify for Code S. In January Haypro briefly returned to Europe to participate in some tournaments. He placed fourth in the PokerIdol tournament (behind Select, Sjow and TLO) and won the first XMG Series Cup over Hasuobs. Haypro has also been a key player for TLAF-Liquid` in the Machinima Team Invitational as well as the GosuCoaching Premier League where he is currently tied for 1st place for most wins on TLAF-Liquid`. His list of scalps from the team leagues include EG's DeMuslim and ROOT's KiWiKaKi. This is Haypro's second TSL as he qualified for the first season where he lost to Brat_OK.
After a prolonged and illustrious career in Brood War, including a stint in Korea as a Progamer, we all thought ret was done with gaming. After IEM Cologne, that all changed. Revitalised by the LAN atmosphere, ret got right back into things and began his career as a professional Starcraft 2 player. Despite his delayed start, ret's natural talent for the game has allowed him to catch right up to the worlds best in no time. At MLG Dallas he placed seventh, and considering he had only started practising seriously a few months earlier this is an amazing result given the strength of the MLG Dallas lineup. His natural talent could not be withheld in the GSL either - after finishing top 32 of GSL Season 3, he went on to earn Code A through the Code A tie breakers. Unfortunately, he was unable to secure Code S that season but has been seeded into Code A for the upcoming qualifiers. He's recently taken trip back to Europe to participate in Assembly Winter. He took on the best Europe had to offer and crushed his way to the final where he defeated MorroW 3-1. This is ret's third TSL and after showing people what was up in Helsinki, this season he looks poised to bring the pain in the TSL while simultaneously clinching Code S in Korea.
Nicknames haven't really been given out in SC2 yet, barring Jinro and Idra. But if they had, FruitDealer would be known as the Gambler Zerg. Why? Because there isn't anyone who takes larger risks than him. FruitDealer started out in SC2 after a being forced to retire from being a SC1 Progamer to support his parents after showing such promise and potential. FruitDealer's performance during the beta was truly impressive and he came out of it regarded one of the strongest Korean players. His feats during the beta include winning the 17173 SC2 World Cup, a tournament comprised of the world's best players, over Dimaga 4-3 defeating players like Maka and Tester along the way. During the first season of the GSL he was one of the firm favorites to take the tournament - and indeed, he defeated Rainbow 4-1 in the final. The key to his success is his massive risk taking and volatile unpredictability. You can never be certain about what style FruitDealer is going to play - is he going to go completely all in with waves upon waves of banelings? Or is he going to macro up and spam more drones than is safe (like he did against TOP)? It's this massive risk taking that got him the GSL S1 win, and nearly cost him his spot in Code S last season. Fruitdealer is such an interesting Zerg player, and a true asset to the TSL.
If you asked the question "who is the best Zerg player in the world" there is little doubt that the answer would be NesTea. Simply put, the guy is phenomenal. He went through GSL2 undefeated until the finals which he won 4-3, made it to the Ro8 of GSL3 and then made the semifinals of GSL4 where he lost to the eventual winner MVP. As a result of his consistency he has won the most prize money in SC2 so far. During the Gainward tournament, he was the only Zerg in the Round of 8 where every other player was Terran. NesTea went against the odds and made it through to the final against MVP and ended up taking second place. Despite being one of the strongest players in the Korean scene, NesTea has never competed in an international tournament before. This is the first chance for the best players from across the globe get their shot at taking on the best Zerg in the world without travelling to Korea. NesTea will be looking to add $15k to his already impressive winnings and show that he is the best player in the world by winning the TSL. In the words of Artosis, his mere presence in the TSL makes me all wiggly and jiggly.
Things just got real here at the TSL. The champions of Seasons 1, 2 and 3 of the GSL will be competing along side the best of the international scene. If that doesn't get you excited then I don't know what will. Next week we unveil our five Terran invites, an announcement which promises to raise the stakes of the TSL to a whole new level. Tune in to the official TeamLiquid cast for Qualifier #7 where just before the finals are casted we will announce the final five invites.
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On February 13 2011 10:49 SpaNkinG wrote: i dont agree with haypros invite :O just cuz he is TL-Player otherwise there still was Dimaga or morrow idk or mb one more koren
Well, Morrow and Dimaga arent in Korea and anyway Dimaga is banned from TL event because he abused in TSL2.
On February 13 2011 10:47 raser wrote: i thought it was Korean invites.. not liquid invites
Im sick of people bashing TeamLiquid for inviting their own players. Yeah boviously they're biased about it, but really, considering many of the players who qualify will have placed 9th in multiple TLopens, can you really say HayPro and Ret don't belong in there?
@ all of the "omg liquid inviting their own players omgomgomg"
Did anyone really not expect Liquid to invite them? That's like STX not being allowed to play in the STX League in Brood War... The Liquid guys deserve to play in TSL3 just as much as everyone else does, stop whining about the invites already. lol.
Omg that's a pretty sick Zerg line up.. this is really starting to look like THE international tournament, great work TL! :O
Edit: Omg again, I just saw who else have already qualified (yeah ok so I haven't been keeping up with the qualifiers like I should).. I'm absolutely giddy about the possible Terran invites now ><
On February 13 2011 10:54 Torenhire wrote: @ all of the "omg liquid inviting their own players omgomgomg"
Did anyone really not expect Liquid to invite them? That's like STX not being allowed to play in the STX League in Brood War... The Liquid guys deserve to play in TSL3 just as much as everyone else does, stop whining about the invites already. lol.
That`s actually a poor analogy because not every STX player plays. Only the best A-Team members make the cut.
With that said, there should be no surprises here especially after they named the Protoss players.
disappointed with the lack of a Morrow invite, but i guess we already knew he wouldnt get one since he's been playing in the tlopens. impressed and excited as hell thanks to the nestea invite and the confirmations of ret & idra!
Guys, you know that the invites are only for asian players right? Morrow was NEVER GOING TO GET AN INVITE, nor Dimaga
One person I do disagree with is Moonglade not getting invited, He too is Code A, he shit on Loner in the Asian IEM Qualifier, and he also is in Code A. His accomplishments are up there with the best of them, he deserved one.
So how is the lag going to be overcome for the rest of the tournament? I keep seeing this as the reason that the koreans are being invited rather than working their way through the TL opens.
On February 13 2011 10:57 ZlaSHeR wrote: lol wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow
oh my fucking god i just went "WOOOOW" in real life in my room by my fuckgin self
NES fucking TEA lol omg
If they got 3 champions so far, its guaranteed that MVP and Foxer and maybe even Boxer and Nada will be Terran invites, oh my god
You left out one guy. Jinro.
There you have it. All the Korean invites.
There are 14 invites right? 3 protoss, 5 zergs, so there will be 6 terrans
Foxer, MVP, Jinro, Nada, Boxer, +1
Anyways, I still think Moonglade deserves a spot for what he's done. He represents the whole SEA server and is up there with haypro, Ret, or fruitdealer IMO.
On February 13 2011 10:57 ZlaSHeR wrote: lol wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow
oh my fucking god i just went "WOOOOW" in real life in my room by my fuckgin self
NES fucking TEA lol omg
If they got 3 champions so far, its guaranteed that MVP and Foxer and maybe even Boxer and Nada will be Terran invites, oh my god
You left out one guy. Jinro.
There you have it. All the Korean invites.
There are 14 invites right? 3 protoss, 5 zergs, so there will be 6 terrans
Foxer, MVP, Jinro, Nada, Boxer, +1
Anyways, I still think Moonglade deserves a spot for what he's done. He represents the whole SEA server and is up there with haypro, Ret, or fruitdealer IMO.
this is awesome! here's my hopes for terran invites
Jinro (2 straight ro4s, easily qualifies) MVP (most would say he's the best player in the world) MarineKing (double silver) TheStC (one of the best players not many know about, may not be able to do it because of military) BitByBit (best player in history)
On February 13 2011 10:49 SpaNkinG wrote: i dont agree with haypros invite :O just cuz he is TL-Player otherwise there still was Dimaga or morrow idk or mb one more koren
I think it was partly because living in korea, players like Idra Haypro and Ret might not be able to play in the TLOpens just being busy with other stuff, hence Haypro would get an invite over dimaga. Just a guess tho
On February 13 2011 11:02 Antoine wrote: this is awesome! here's my hopes for terran invites
Jinro (2 straight ro4s, easily qualifies) MVP (most would say he's the best player in the world) MarineKing (double silver) TheStC (one of the best players not many know about, may not be able to do it because of military) BitByBit (best player in history)
bitbybit did eliminate haypro from the gsl.. so why not inv them both!
On February 13 2011 10:49 SpaNkinG wrote: i dont agree with haypros invite :O just cuz he is TL-Player otherwise there still was Dimaga or morrow idk or mb one more koren
I think it was partly because living in korea, players like Idra Haypro and Ret might not be able to play in the TLOpens just being busy with other stuff, hence Haypro would get an invite over dimaga. Just a guess tho
Morrow is not in korea so he cannot get an invite. Dimaga is banned from participating in TSL 3.
On February 13 2011 11:03 netherDrake wrote: If any foreigner (besides those guys in korea) makes top 8 it would be a great accomplishment given the player field.
I think the odds are actually stacked against players like FD, Nestea, MC, Foxer, etc. I think only one of them will make it in the top 3.
Is anyone else surprised at the lack of Sen? I thought he would be one of the asian server invites.
edit: forgot he was already qualified.
Also - I'm hoping for only 4 Terran invites and 1 Random invite (gumiho.fou ftw!) Although that means no invite for either Boxer or NaDa... 14 invites plz!
On February 13 2011 11:05 FrostShadow wrote: How can you possibly justify haypro's invite objectively?
Clearly CheckPrime and oGsZenio are superior zergs, just off the top of my head. By FAR better results consistently in sc2.
Why does it matter if they are objective? Its their tournament they can invite who they want. If they invite some 100 bronze player it wouldn't be up to us. Im happy with the choices and you should be too.
On February 13 2011 11:06 strongandbig wrote: Is anyone else surprised at the lack of Sen? I thought he would be one of the asian server invites.
edit: forgot he was already qualified.
Also - I'm hoping for only 4 Terran invites and 1 Random invite (gumiho.fou ftw!) Although that means no invite for either Boxer or NaDa... 14 invites plz!
Dude he`s one of the seeds from TSL2. Do you guys even look before you type, seriously.
On February 13 2011 11:05 FrostShadow wrote: How can you possibly justify haypro's invite objectively?
Clearly CheckPrime and oGsZenio are superior zergs, just off the top of my head. By FAR better results consistently in sc2.
Why does it matter if they are objective? Its their tournament they can invite who they want. If they invite some 100 bronze player it wouldn't be up to us. Im happy with the choices and you should be too.
You're right they can invite whoever they want, but why should i be happy if they invite lesser quality players? I wish they put the overall quality of the tournament before promoting one of their players that hasn't produced results than can compare with other available zergs. with that said I am still very excited for tsl.
On February 13 2011 11:05 FrostShadow wrote: How can you possibly justify haypro's invite objectively?
Clearly CheckPrime and oGsZenio are superior zergs, just off the top of my head. By FAR better results consistently in sc2.
Why does it matter if they are objective? Its their tournament they can invite who they want. If they invite some 100 bronze player it wouldn't be up to us. Im happy with the choices and you should be too.
You're right they can invite whoever they want, but why should i be happy if they invite lesser quality players? I wish they put the overall quality of the tournament before promoting one of their players that hasn't produced results than can compare with other available zergs. with that said I am still very excited for tsl.
On February 13 2011 11:06 strongandbig wrote: Is anyone else surprised at the lack of Sen? I thought he would be one of the asian server invites.
edit: forgot he was already qualified.
Also - I'm hoping for only 4 Terran invites and 1 Random invite (gumiho.fou ftw!) Although that means no invite for either Boxer or NaDa... 14 invites plz!
Dude he`s one of the seeds from TSL2. Do you guys even look before you type, seriously.
Lol, I love how my edit explaining exactly what you say is even quoted in your own post. Thanks for repping the TL community and our excellent reading abilities, man.
On February 13 2011 11:05 FrostShadow wrote: How can you possibly justify haypro's invite objectively?
Clearly CheckPrime and oGsZenio are superior zergs, just off the top of my head. By FAR better results consistently in sc2.
Why does it matter if they are objective? Its their tournament they can invite who they want. If they invite some 100 bronze player it wouldn't be up to us. Im happy with the choices and you should be too.
You're right they can invite whoever they want, but why should i be happy if they invite lesser quality players? I wish they put the overall quality of the tournament before promoting one of their players that hasn't produced results than can compare with other available zergs. with that said I am still very excited for tsl.
I have no idea why it ever crossed your mind that they weren't going to invite all the Liquid guys. There's nothing to complain about; it was always going to be the case.
On February 13 2011 11:24 BertiliO wrote: why are there more Z invites then there are P?
Probably because there are barely any Zs in the tournament so far.
Anyways, regarding the invites, i really think July or even someone like Zenio would have been a better choice than Haypro, but i guess this is TL's tournament.
Dont agree with haypro invites also, there are a lot of better zergs than him, but ofc since its the TSL, every Liquid members should be in to give them a chance to compete, since they couldn't even try to quality while in korea.
Great lineup, although (and it pains me to say this) I don't think Haypro deserves a spot yet. He hasn't really showed any results as of now and isn't really considered to be one of the tip-top Zergs in either the foreign or Korean scene.
I mean, I can't see any justification in having him over Zenio, MorroW, Dimaga, etc. other than him being a TL member.
On February 13 2011 11:30 walklightwhat wrote: Awesome invites. Pity there weren't enough spots so an invite could be given to Moonglade, but still awesome.
I wish we could see some more oGs in terran invites. Inviting zenio would have been pretty cool to build on this Idra vs Zenio. I hope the best progamer in the universe aka Clide is invited as a terran!
Also there are so many terrans in europe and america that have already qualified, i wish more zergs would have been invited.
Yeah I'm not sure about Ret and Haypro. Ret can be justified cause of todays assembly, but haypro doesn't have much to show :/ hopefully I'm totally wrong and he wins the whole thing though! Liquid fighting!
On February 13 2011 11:32 ffz wrote: I wish we could see some more oGs in terran invites. Inviting zenio would have been pretty cool to build on this Idra vs Zenio. I hope the best progamer in the universe aka Clide is invited as a terran!
Also there are so many terrans in europe and america that have already qualified, i wish more zergs would have been invited.
Possibly NaDa, or TheSTC could be invited for oGs.
On February 13 2011 11:33 Gentleman7 wrote: Yeah I'm not sure about Ret and Haypro. Ret can be justified cause of todays assembly, but haypro doesn't have much to show :/ hopefully I'm totally wrong and he wins the whole thing though! Liquid fighting!
It makes perfect sense to invite TL players in a TL event.
And honnestly, Haypro didn't had a lot of occasions to prove himself in tournaments.
Although Haypro's invitation is a bit iffy, he is a VERY strong macro Zerg with macro abilities rivaling that of Ret himself. He may not have won many major competitions, though he is still a strong contender as long as he doesn't get all-ined. However, I do have a feeling that his inclusion probably was influenced by being on Team Liquid, though I think he would've done quite well in the official qualifiers.
Inviting Fruitdealer and Nestea is the absolute best announcement that I've seen today. TSL is shaping up to be the international Olympics of SC2 with the best of Korea and the rest of the world coming together to play what could be some of the most epic games in SC2 thus far, especially with the possible inclusion of the GSTL maps.
Mondragon vs Fruitdealer? White-Ra vs Nestea? These fanboy wet dreams are now possible.
On February 13 2011 11:33 MrSexington wrote: edit: Also, while people are throwing out the Terran names... I don't think anyone's brought up Naama's name.
Only people on Asian servers are eligible for invites.
On February 13 2011 11:33 MrSexington wrote: edit: Also, while people are throwing out the Terran names... I don't think anyone's brought up Naama's name.
Only people on Asian servers are eligible for invites.
Haypro has been all but nonexistent outside of EU, so here's to a big splash in the international scene. A more objective choice would be to invite a top-tier Zerg player with a different style, not just Idra-mini, but it's TL's competition I guess.....
You can predict the TL members are auto-invited, because none of them have even tried to qualify, which means they're getting invites. So Jinro is definitely getting invited, and 4 other terrans.
Nice, it really makes sense for the top Koreans to accept invites to foreign tournaments if you think about it, they really don't have as many chances to make money/prove themselves (Other than GSL of course) as the other regions.
On February 13 2011 11:47 StyLeD wrote: Haypro has been all but nonexistent outside of EU, so here's to a big splash in the international scene. A more objective choice would be to invite a top-tier Zerg player with a different style, not just Idra-mini, but it's TL's competition I guess.....
You can predict the TL members are auto-invited, because none of them have even tried to qualify, which means they're getting invites. So Jinro is definitely getting invited, and 4 other terrans.
I predict:
#1 MVP #2 MKP #3 Jinro #4 Nada #5 Boxer
To be fair for Jinro, he not only has gone far in GSL two times in a row, but he also won MLG Dallas. He's also a champion.
YES TSL is going to be sooooo awesome. Also im not really sure about HayprO, cause theres also some sick Zergs like MorroW or DIMAGA. Anyway, cant be bad pick and will be interesting to see how well he will do in tournament. GL!
On February 13 2011 11:24 BertiliO wrote: why are there more Z invites then there are P?
Probably because there are barely any Zs in the tournament so far.
Anyways, regarding the invites, i really think July or even someone like Zenio would have been a better choice than Haypro, but i guess this is TL's tournament.
Guys stop saying morrow and dimaga, morrow and still qualify and DIMAGA is BANNED from TSL3! So I dont think TL will invite someone who CHEATED in tsl2.
If the emperor comes in this tourney and graces us with his presence, we should show full humility and make encouraging pictures and comments for him. I'll even dedicate a whole thread if he is invited and confirmed.
On February 13 2011 12:02 TR wrote: YES TSL is going to be sooooo awesome. Also im not really sure about HayprO, cause theres also some sick Zergs like MorroW or DIMAGA. Anyway, cant be bad pick and will be interesting to see how well he will do in tournament. GL!
Only people from KR server are invited because they can't play TL Opens due to lag. Also, Dimaga can't play in TSL3.
On February 13 2011 11:33 MrSexington wrote: Yeah, I'm not feeling the Haypro invite.
Every other invited player is a champion of a major sc2 tournament. I'm sure Haypro has potential, but so do many others.
Genius (Blizzcon) HuK (MLG Raleigh) MC (GSL Season 3) Idra (MLG DC) Ret (Assembly Winter 2011) Fruitdealer (GSL Season 1) Nestea (GSL Season 2)
Haypro (?)
(But it's their tournament, so I guess they can invite whoever they want.)
Please read the OP before posting. It clearly states what he has acheived there. Haypro has been winning team league matches for TL and he qualified for a GSL where he got beaten by BitByBit.Prime. He also has a few other top places in European tournaments. And he is a TL player.
On February 13 2011 12:07 Tef wrote: Please read the OP before posting. It clearly states what he has acheived there. Haypro has been winning team league matches for TL and he qualified for a GSL where he got beaten by BitByBit.Prime. He also has a few other top places in European tournaments. And he is a TL player.
Haypro hwaiting!
edit: I don't know why I let trolls pull me in some times. Deleted.
On February 13 2011 12:07 Tef wrote: Please read the OP before posting. It clearly states what he has acheived there. Haypro has been winning team league matches for TL and he qualified for a GSL where he got beaten by BitByBit.Prime. He also has a few other top places in European tournaments. And he is a TL player.
Haypro hwaiting!
I did read the OP before posting.
Team Leagues are not individual leagues, many (many) other people have qualified for the round of 64 in the GSL, and does "top places" include #1? And I made sure to note that Team Liquid can invite whoever they want to invite. It's their tournament.
You should take your own advice and read what I've posted before you replied. You either didn't or just chose to ignore it. Stop assuming.
If you base your decision purely on results, then one might be skeptical about Haypro. But if you've seen his recent games, then you know he truly deserves an invite. He's a diamond in the rough, and I have a feeling he'll surprise us this tournament.
3 GSL champions in this tournament so far... a gathering of the world's finest, not just 1 nation's... dare I say it?... TSL is going to be the toughest tournament in SC2 history.
This tourney is looking outrageous. What's cool is that (for the first time??) all of the European and American gosus will have a shot at the Korean/GSL giants. HYPE!
On February 13 2011 12:18 The_Piper42 wrote: 5 Terrans then?
I hope for: Jinro BoxeR MarineKing MVP Nada
Would love to see that. But concerning what they've shown in SC2 lately BoxeR wouldnt be first choice. Unfortunately. oGsTOP would be more justified. But I want to see BoxeR anyways
am i the only one who is glad that haypro was invited? he is a great player but being in korea he does not get as many chances to shines as other get here in eu/na... hope he does well
Awesome Zerg invites, so excited to see NesTea in a foreign tournament for the first time. The only thing that can make the TSL complete is if the 5 Terran invites are Jinro, MVP, MKP, Nada and BoxeR.
I just realized they were saving the terran lineup for last because Boxer is going to play in the TSL o.O
About the Haypro invite, you guys wouldn't have "felt" the jinro invite (pre-assumption) a couple months ago either. If Haypro is on Liquid, the guy is good. Plus, give him some credit, he plays zerg, lol
Jinro marineking IMMVP are almost lock to get invited so there is 2 spot open for people to guess who. I would like to see loner in the t invites because you guys ban taiwan/chinese players from qualifying. This will make it a true world tournament.
These Zerg invites were prolly the easiest to call, I wa one hundred percent right about them, would have liked to see MoonGlade rather than Haypro but still looking good
its funny how sooooo many people dont understand how the invites work. "bla hhaypro is not korean, should have qualified etc". Invites are for people LIVING in korea, not being korean. And sure Liquid invites its own players living over there.
On February 13 2011 10:49 SpaNkinG wrote: i dont agree with haypros invite :O just cuz he is TL-Player otherwise there still was Dimaga or morrow idk or mb one more koren
Korean invite dude. its kinda hard for koreans to play in the TL open with that kind of lag
I was already excited before I even got to invites 4 and 5. Seriously amazing, I went nuts. So pumped for TSL.... and Terran invites..... AND TSSSLLLLL
On February 13 2011 12:36 lazyfeet wrote: Jinro marineking IMMVP are almost lock to get invited so there is 2 spot open for people to guess who. I would like to see loner in the t invites because you guys ban taiwan/chinese players from qualifying. This will make it a true world tournament.
i agree 100%
Since all invites so far have been either liquidians or ABSOLUTE big name in korea, and seeing the TL - ogs relations, i would be pretty sure the 4th terran will be Nada, and the 5th, even tho not up there in the results, but certainly in fame would be Boxer.
I predicted all Zergs right, so i´ll go out on a limb and predict mvp, marineking, Jinro, Nada and Boxer
On February 13 2011 12:27 Nukm_ wrote: am i the only one who is glad that haypro was invited? he is a great player but being in korea he does not get as many chances to shines as other get here in eu/na... hope he does well
I'm glad too. I think worst case scenario he'll do okay.
Sweet, the 3 best zergs in the world imo. Add in ret who just wrecked face in assembly, and haypro, who has made ro64 gsl and is in code a, this tournie is gonna be fucking awesome, just waiting on jinro, mvp, mkp, nada and CLIIIIIIIIIDE to be invited for the terrans lol.
The main reason I look forward to this is that we get to see how exactly the international gosus compare with the Korean GSL champs - I'm sure in SC2, the gap, if any, is not so large. After all, Jinro isn't the only super-gosu outside of Korea
This is going to be awesome. I don't know what match will excite me most. If GSTL maps are used ... (X100 epic).
Are the asian invites going to be playing from korea? Because if they are they are going to be at a serious disadvantage. We got a taste of the problems when MC lost to TOP because of latentcy on force fields.
Really great invites to represent the zerg, couldn't agree more with idra/ret/nestea/FD. Kinda confused about the haypro invite since he hasn't really accomplished anything yet, but I guess it doesn't hurt to have him in there since other Korean zerg players don't really stand out at all. Maybe this will be his breakout event!
On February 13 2011 11:02 StarStruck wrote: No there are only 13 invites.
It`s okay. I wish MoonGlade was invited too, but sadly he is not. ;I
Oh shit, back on page 4 i thought it was 14 invites, so in that case I can understand why they left Moonglade out (they gotta pick their own players so yeah).
Haypro in no way shape or form belongs among the other selections aside from the fact he is in teamliquid. I realize this is the TL forums but you can liquipedia his accomplishments compared to the others and easily see this. Getting beaten by BitByBitPrime is certainly not something to be proud of. I am not going to say he is bad or anything like that he may be one of the best zergs in the world but just based on his prior accomplishments there is no way he deserves this invite except for TL favoring their own players which I guess is fine since it is their tourney after all, just be honest about it though.
I'm sorry but I just don't understand Haypro. There are so many other deserving Korean Zergs out there. Its hard to not see his invite as patronage. Ret Huk Jinro have all earned their invites with tournament results. It just doesn't feel right that TLO has to qualify via points just because he's in Europe and Haypro is in Korea. How do you put Haypro ahead of the likes of JulyZerg, ogsZenio, and CheckPrime? Or even junwi? Heck I would put Artosis above him, even though he's switched to protoss.
Was Moonglade even considered? Or has he already qualified?
Dear TL, You are organising what has to be the best tournament in SC2 history, infact this will be remembered for a long time. This beats every GSL, and GOM knows it. Pretty much, to sum it up, you are FUCKING EPIC!!!!!!
After the 3 protoss invites ended up being Huk, Genius & MC, I figured Idra + Ret & Haypro were a given. Then it was hoping they got Nestea or Fruitdealer to join up as well. Wasn't expecting both, but I'm really happy about that.
So, with 5 Terrans coming, could they possibly pull off the major coup and get MVP, MKP, Boxer & Nada? It's very possible some of them might not want to/don't have time, so there's still a solid list of other possibilities (Top, Byun, Ensnare, Maka, Loner, Bomber) that would be awesome to see. But they've got the best Protoss in the world right now (MC), 2 of the other strongest (Genius & Huk) and the 3 top zergs in the world coming to this already. TSL 3 is going to be off the charts!
HOLY BALLZ!!!! As a Zerg players i am feeling soooo good right now!!!! I have a man crush on all of these guys, and cannot wait to watch them play HYPE HYPE HYPE!!!! I love you TL for this so much!
i see players get warned because they speak against haypros vote but i also have to say somethings i hope no one missunderstand that
ofc i understand the invite of haypro as he is in TL and it is a TL event, also he is one of the best foreign Zergs and you not want to invite more then 5 zerg players so this 5 seems the most logic choise, but i REALLY miss moonglade.
after he beat sen loner etc to qualify for iem and was also invited for GSL i would have loved to see him play even more then haypro.
well perhaps next tsl i really hope haypro doing well and everyone is fine after the first games with the picks, that would be the best thing that could happen
ps: this is nothing against haypro i just think that moonglade is rly missing in this tournamend
On February 13 2011 16:49 CoR wrote: i see players get warned because they speak against haypros vote but i also have to say somethings i hope no one missunderstand that
ofc i understand the invite of haypro as he is in TL and it is a TL event, also he is one of the best foreign Zergs and you not want to invite more then 5 zerg players so this 5 seems the most logic choise, but i REALLY miss moonglade.
after he beat sen loner etc to qualify for iem and was also invited for GSL i would have loved to see him play even more then haypro.
well perhaps next tsl i really hope haypro doing well and everyone is fine after the first games with the picks, that would be the best thing that could happen
ps: this is nothing against haypro i just think that moonglade is rly missing in this tournamend
Just for clarity, there's nothing wrong with saying you wish someone else got invited, or even making a case for why someone else should have been invited. The problem is people being disrespectful with no basis... that's not allowed.
On February 13 2011 16:55 Chill wrote: Just for clarity, there's nothing wrong with saying you wish someone else got invited, or even making a case for why someone else should have been invited. The problem is people being disrespectful with no basis... that's not allowed.
ah good because i like the invites ^^ overall
damn tsl will be such a great tournament that i think this could even > GSL march (and gsl march will be epic with 6 foreigns ^^)
ok my guess for the terran invites now are hard xD jinro MVP ofc but then ... nada ? boxer ? well at least i bet my money it wont be some of artosis hated A class gamers xD
oh man how cool would it be to have TheSCT but it wont be possible ...
hm Bomber ? St.Bomber would be great as well as MKP
This is going to be LEGEND... I hope none of you are lactose intolerant cause the next word is DAIRY.
Though odds are once the Terran invites are made public, there will be no more terms to described the sheer awesomeness that will come from this tournament.
Nooooooooo i wanted to watch July , there should have been 1 more zerg invite ;( . Oh well i guess i'm going to be cheering for Ret or some terran player .
I think we can all agree MVP and MKP will be invited, and Jinro will participate. But Nada and Boxer aren't necessarily shoo-ins except based on fame and that they are still Code S. There are many a Terran player who might be more deserving based on most recent GSL performance. ZenexByun, ST_Bomber, oGs.Ensnare and oGs.TOP looked particularly strong recently. And there's always Clide . I'm still hopeful to see at least Nada or Boxer, but if MVP or MKP don't attend, there's more names to consider.
On February 13 2011 17:11 Ansinjunger wrote: I think we can all agree MVP and MKP will be invited, and Jinro will participate. But Nada and Boxer aren't necessarily shoo-ins except based on fame and that they are still Code S. There are many a Terran player who might be more deserving based on most recent GSL performance. ZenexByun, ST_Bomber, oGs.Ensnare and oGs.TOP looked particularly strong recently. And there's always Clide . I'm still hopeful to see at least Nada or Boxer, but if MVP or MKP don't attend, there's more names to consider.
Agreed. MKP/MVP/Jinro are basically guarantees, the other 2 are up for grabs IMO. Even though I see one of them being boxer, I'd prefer the other one to be someone who isn't as known in GSL, like Bomber, as the other guys have already had their tastes in code A/S.
edit* I love nada as much as the next guy (on a mechanical level) however his decision making is questionable at times.
OMG, seriously speaking, this TSL is slowly developing into an event that is certainly going to blow our minds away, but is also going to change the face of international starcraft 2 competition. I mean GSL does create an international platform, however, its not always feasible for players to go to Korea. Vice-versa its not feasible for all the Korean players to play for the TSL, but the TSL is like the initiative from the foreigner scene. These invites really blew my mind, more so than the protoss invites :D.
Oh. My. Overmind.... at zerg invites. I can't wait for this, this TSL will be amazing! Almost ALL of my favorite zergs are in here. (only catz missing) This is gonna be intense, I have a feeling a zerg will be coming out on top... only if some toss comes out with sweet mothership play will a toss come out on top but um, yeah... for the swarm... and all that jazz
I doubt performance was the only factor in these selections. They probably considered the appeal of the players as well. Who do the fans really want to see? Do second tier Korean Zergs like Zenio, Check, or July have as much appeal to the fans as HayprO? Maybe July due to his SC:BW career, but Zenio and Check are not even close. July hasn't received the fame he got in SC:BW, so he's just another player to SC2 fans who haven't watched much SC:BW (like myself). So, I think HayprO is a better invite than the Korean Zergs.
mOOnGLaDe, on the other hand, would probably be a better choice than HayprO. No one is really close to mOOnGLaDe's level in Oceania and his win over Loner shows he can compete with one of the top Asian players. He would bring a lot of interest to the TSL from Oceania and Southeast Asia. But, we haven't seen him compete a whole lot outside of his region. I think this would have been the perfect event to see how he stacks up with the best in the world.
I don't think HayprO is a bad choice, but mOOnGLaDe would've been a better one.
If haypro read this thread and saw all of you morons going 'OMG Y HAYPRO INWAIT SO BIAS' how do you think he'd feel? He's an amazing player that has had a bad luck streak. Jinro didnt do anything before winning that MLG for a long time, look at him now. I'd watch haypro over zenio or check any day of the week quit bitchin
On February 13 2011 17:37 Hoju wrote: I doubt performance was the only factor in these selections. They probably considered the appeal of the players as well. Who do the fans really want to see? Do second tier Korean Zergs like Zenio, Check, or July have as much appeal to the fans as HayprO? Maybe July due to his SC:BW career, but Zenio and Check are not even close. July hasn't received the fame he got in SC:BW, so he's just another player to SC2 fans who haven't watched much SC:BW (like myself). So, I think HayprO is a better invite than the Korean Zergs.
mOOnGLaDe, on the other hand, would probably be a better choice than HayprO. No one is really close to mOOnGLaDe's level in Oceania and his win over Loner shows he can compete with one of the top Asian players. He would bring a lot of interest to the TSL from Oceania and Southeast Asia. But, we haven't seen him compete a whole lot outside of his region. I think this would have been the perfect event to see how he stacks up with the best in the world.
I don't think HayprO is a bad choice, but mOOnGLaDe would've been a better one.
I think Haypro is a good choice. They should invite glade aswell.
On February 13 2011 17:11 Ansinjunger wrote: I think we can all agree MVP and MKP will be invited, and Jinro will participate. But Nada and Boxer aren't necessarily shoo-ins except based on fame and that they are still Code S. There are many a Terran player who might be more deserving based on most recent GSL performance. ZenexByun, ST_Bomber, oGs.Ensnare and oGs.TOP looked particularly strong recently. And there's always Clide . I'm still hopeful to see at least Nada or Boxer, but if MVP or MKP don't attend, there's more names to consider.
Agreed. MKP/MVP/Jinro are basically guarantees, the other 2 are up for grabs IMO. Even though I see one of them being boxer, I'd prefer the other one to be someone who isn't as known in GSL, like Bomber, as the other guys have already had their tastes in code A/S.
edit* I love nada as much as the next guy (on a mechanical level) however his decision making is questionable at times.
While there are, likely, better Terrans than Boxer & Nada out there... think about this. This is a Team Liquid event. If they can possibly get one or both, they're going to and they should. The site is, for all practical purposes, the result of the eSports industry those two helped build. If they can get them for a tournament, they should. If you want to talk about buzz/good return for their sponsors, they really, really should. This place will explode if they get both, almost ensuring a large viewing audience for the rounds. (Aside from what should be really awesome play all around)
Jinro (nobrainer) Nada (oGs player, has connections) Boxer (was probally invited, not sure if accepted, he has to run a team after all) Foxer (finalist of GSL and really fucking good player) MvP (Probally best terran to date atm) who else maybe? TOP? Idk, any of the oGs / TSL / IM guys seems willing to come to it.
On February 13 2011 17:46 TheAntZ wrote: If haypro read this thread and saw all of you morons going 'OMG Y HAYPRO INWAIT SO BIAS' how do you think he'd feel? He's an amazing player that has had a bad luck streak. Jinro didnt do anything before winning that MLG for a long time, look at him now. I'd watch haypro over zenio or check any day of the week quit bitchin
thats your opinion, as for Jinro he hadn't had many had many opportunities to prove himself when he went to korea... it can be a bit random trying to qualify for GSL, a hard bracket or very cheesy opponents can make it difficult to qualify since there are no seeds and it is single elimination
you can't just call everyone a whining moron just because you don't like their opinions, imo moonglade would have been a better invite than haypro, as for how he'd feel if he read it i'd think he should become more motivated and prove us wrong by showing great games
On February 13 2011 17:46 TheAntZ wrote: If haypro read this thread and saw all of you morons going 'OMG Y HAYPRO INWAIT SO BIAS' how do you think he'd feel? He's an amazing player that has had a bad luck streak. Jinro didnt do anything before winning that MLG for a long time, look at him now. I'd watch haypro over zenio or check any day of the week quit bitchin
thats your opinion, as for Jinro he hadn't had many had many opportunities to prove himself when he went to korea... it can be a bit random trying to qualify for GSL, a hard bracket or very cheesy opponents can make it difficult to qualify since there are no seeds and it is single elimination
This is ironic given Haypro has actually won or placed well in SC2 tournaments outside of Korea (Jinro only won MLG) and was cheesed out of GSL3 by BitByBitPrime using a pretty abusive strategy that not many people had solved by that point. How about you give him a break... He may just do a Jinro and I think he would appreciate our support.
God this is awesome. Idra, Fruitdealer, and Nestea is awesome. I really like Ret too, and I look forward to Haypro revitalizing his name after the (rather embarrassing imo) defeat to BitByBit in the GSL. Definitely looking forward to this!
I was really looking forward and hoping for July if only because he seems like one of those players with not only an amazing background but sparklings of something really great in his play. Maybe that's just me but I guess one can't get everything one wants I am just happy to hear Nestea and Fruitdealer.
Haypro is.. a curious choice. I have high hopes for him sense he got this invite. If the GSTL has shown us anything just because a guy doesn't qualify for code a or s doesn't mean they are not code s material. I mean I don't know about you but I wouldn't be surprised if he did really well in this TSL!
idra, ret, cool and zergbong is standard. would have much preferred july, moonglade or a sixth terran instead of haypro though, although i guess inviting your whole team to your own tournament is standard.
so i guess they invite jinro/boxer/nada/mvp/marineking, but maybe they invite loner?
Calling it now. Haypro is going to dominate and all you nay sayers are going to be left clawing at him with praises. Dude has mad skills. I mean hell you would think people realise by now Nazgul is amazing at picking Talent. Jinro months back? Ret months back? It's Haypros turn to dominate.
On February 13 2011 17:46 TheAntZ wrote: If haypro read this thread and saw all of you morons going 'OMG Y HAYPRO INWAIT SO BIAS' how do you think he'd feel? He's an amazing player that has had a bad luck streak. Jinro didnt do anything before winning that MLG for a long time, look at him now. I'd watch haypro over zenio or check any day of the week quit bitchin
thats your opinion, as for Jinro he hadn't had many had many opportunities to prove himself when he went to korea... it can be a bit random trying to qualify for GSL, a hard bracket or very cheesy opponents can make it difficult to qualify since there are no seeds and it is single elimination
This is ironic given Haypro has actually won or placed well in SC2 tournaments outside of Korea (Jinro only won MLG) and was cheesed out of GSL3 by BitByBitPrime using a pretty abusive strategy that not many people had solved by that point. How about you give him a break... He may just do a Jinro and I think he would appreciate our support.
bitbybit did 2rax into mass marine scv all in in only one game, which is the "abusive" strategy you are referring to, game 2 was just poor scouting by haypro. plus jinro was not very good before he went to korea nor did he compete in any other tournaments apart from GSL and MLG after arriving in korea, so not sure what your point is? haypro didn't do very well at MLG either, losing to drewbie (who tbh wasnt a very skilled opponent compared to who he could have been matched up against) i'm not some hater, i'd gladly be proved wrong if haypro shows some good play but at this point we can only speculate, and when there are other strong contenders like julyzerg/moonglade then it is questionable whether haypro merits an invite over them (Apart from the obvious fact he is on team liquid)
On February 13 2011 19:08 Numy wrote: Calling it now. Haypro is going to dominate and all you nay sayers are going to be left clawing at him with praises. Dude has mad skills. I mean hell you would think people realise by now Nazgul is amazing at picking Talent. Jinro months back? Ret months back? It's Haypros turn to dominate.
Don't get me wrong, I wholeheartedly agree with the fact that HayprO and ret deserves to be in TSL as they are a lot more skilled than players like Kas and CrunCher. But there are better korean zergs that could be invited (JulyZerg, Leenock, Junwi, Zenio, Losira, maybe Kyrix). Still, invitations roll.
I have no real numbers, but I remember that there were numbers much over 10k...live viewers, not counting the ones that watched the VODs...but maybe someone from Liquid knows more.
Awesome ^^ tsl 3 is shaping up to be insanely epic! Also some people don't seem to realize these are invites for players in asia, because they can't play in eu/na quals since the lag is impossible.
Awesome invites, can't wait, 2 GSL winners is gonna sick :D. But I think their are better Zergs than Haypro I would have rather MorroW been invited but ah well.
Well, the invites were not surprising, but I would like to have seen more young Zergs. Everyone except IdrA are about to reach their 30ies or their late 20ies. But anyways, these are strong players.
WTF. This is just bullshit fameing! Not acceptable that you letting LiquidHaypro getting in in front of soo many people when he hasnt accomplished anything. Liquid fail. Take someone who deserves it -.-
I mean you leave people like m00nglade and Zenio behind, in front of Haypro who hasnt won anything big yet, and not even being close. He is like any other master zerg, but he arent sticking out.
No instead choose moonglade who deserves it or Zenio because he is very skilled and he is a oGs member, which have helped you liquid guys alot. T_T
On February 13 2011 20:52 Veasel wrote: WTF. This is just bullshit fameing! Not acceptable that you letting LiquidHaypro getting in in front of soo many people when he hasnt accomplished anything. Liquid fail. Take someone who deserves it -.-
I mean you leave people like m00nglade and Zenio behind, in front of Haypro who hasnt won anything big yet, and not even being close. He is like any other master zerg, but he arent sticking out.
No instead choose moonglade who deserves it or Zenio because he is very skilled and he is a oGs member, which have helped you liquid guys alot. T_T
and why moonglade deserves it more than haypro? what has moonglade done to deserve it more lol
waiting on terrans, pretty obvious it's gonna be mvp mkp and jinro + 2 others, wondering what the other selections will be, when you got so many to choose from
On February 13 2011 21:15 anatem wrote: these invites went exactly as expected
waiting on terrans, pretty obvious it's gonna be mvp mkp and jinro + 2 others, wondering what the other selections will be, when you got so many to choose from
On February 13 2011 20:52 Veasel wrote: WTF. This is just bullshit fameing! Not acceptable that you letting LiquidHaypro getting in in front of soo many people when he hasnt accomplished anything. Liquid fail. Take someone who deserves it -.-
I mean you leave people like m00nglade and Zenio behind, in front of Haypro who hasnt won anything big yet, and not even being close. He is like any other master zerg, but he arent sticking out.
No instead choose moonglade who deserves it or Zenio because he is very skilled and he is a oGs member, which have helped you liquid guys alot. T_T
This is just stupid. if haypro did not get invited, as the tlopens are not available to korean residents, we would basically have said that "well, because of the fact that you were willing to go to korea to play for our team, you lost your chance at competing in the biggest nonkorean tournament ever." how the hell was that ever an option?
notice how TLO has not gotten an invite and has to qualify through regular procedures.. it's not so much auto-inviting everyone in tl as it is avoiding severly punishing our own members - who the hell would like to be a member of tl if membership automatically disqualified them from participating in the TSL?
How stupid would TL be if they did not invite their members over in korea? Can you honestly say that any other organisation would throw a big ass tournament like this (with the best players in the world) without inviting their members? It's like Drone says.
Are there better Zerg's than HayprO? Well, yes. But on the other hand... Before GSL 3 noone made a big fuss about Jinro neither. I really hope HayprO performes well.
I find the Haypro invite a bit curious as well, however he has been practising in Korea for quite a while and perhaps he was just unlucky in the GSL so far. I frankly haven't seen him play a whole lot since beta, hope he tears some shit up instead of looking like someone who got invited without deserving it, so to say. I'd imagine it's the former unless he spent the last few months in Korea playing WoW, and that seems unlikely.
That said, Nestea and Fruitdealer? Seems like a lot of GSL champions will be participating, I can't wait, especially looking forward to seeing Nestea face off against top Western players. The only thing that could potentially make the tournament a bit less awesome is if two Korean (real Koreans) are in the finals, I'd love to see West vs. East.
I was wondering if there was any particular reasoning for the distribution among invite to the races, (I thought for a second it was going to be 5-4-4 (In favour of Zerg, since they seem to be low on qualifiers), but this would mean that it will be 5-5-3 with Toss at the lower end.
Jinro: Obvious Marineking: Very very likely MVP: Looking a lot more possible now that Nestea is in this.
Nada and Boxer would be a dream come true but they seem like a bit of a stretch to get. We'll probably get some combination of rainbow/maka/top for the remaining spots.
WTF at people saying Haypro should not have invite... it's the freeking Teamliquid Star League so it's obvious every TEAMLIQUID player should be invited. It's in fact pretty manner that TLO get to qualify by going through the TSL Open... he should have a spot since he is from the team who is linked to the freeking website that makes the whole tournament.
Aside from that, wow FruitDealer, this guy is awesome. I hope the TL staff is going to feed us with some interviews on every players and shit like that. The big surprise will be to see players such as Nestea and MC fight against Cruncher and Naniwa... there is a big big difference of skill in my opinion, but well we will see.
On February 13 2011 22:42 PartyBiscuit wrote: I was wondering if there was any particular reasoning for the distribution among invite to the races, (I thought for a second it was going to be 5-4-4 (In favour of Zerg, since they seem to be low on qualifiers), but this would mean that it will be 5-5-3 with Toss at the lower end.
I think it's just a mixture of who is willing and who are the bigger names. I wouldn't expect them to go out of their way and say "We are only going to invite 2 P" or something along the lines. Prob had a list of players they wanted to invite regardless of race.
I dont think those players (nestea and fruitdealer in particular) would have agreed to take part in many tourneys besides this outside from korea. very impressive that TL managed to get them. its gonan be such a great tourney, hopefully with fruitdealer in GSL season 1 shape.
On February 13 2011 10:49 SpaNkinG wrote: i dont agree with haypros invite :O just cuz he is TL-Player otherwise there still was Dimaga or morrow idk or mb one more koren
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I think its a bit weird Spanking is warned for this post.
Love the invites. Makes me indeed all jiggly and wiggly!
On February 13 2011 10:49 SpaNkinG wrote: i dont agree with haypros invite :O just cuz he is TL-Player otherwise there still was Dimaga or morrow idk or mb one more koren
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I think its a bit weird Spanking is warned for this post.
Love the invites. Makes me indeed all jiggly and wiggly!
:D
yeah.. weird warning. I disagree with it as spanking put it (i guess saying dimaga or morrow was the part he was warned about cause they can qualify the normal way, right?). I can't for my life remember a single time i've seen haypro play (in bw or sc2) where i've felt "fuck yeah, this guys awesome!" I know he's a good player and he's won dreamhack for example but he still failed to impress me so far compared to the other invites. Really hoping he proves me a fool though! GL all zergs^^
On February 13 2011 10:49 SpaNkinG wrote: i dont agree with haypros invite :O just cuz he is TL-Player otherwise there still was Dimaga or morrow idk or mb one more koren
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I think its a bit weird Spanking is warned for this post.
Love the invites. Makes me indeed all jiggly and wiggly!
:D
spanking gave his opinion on something he obviously has no clue whatsoever on and he should read more before he posts. this is indicated through him stating "morrow" or "dimaga" as his choices.
morrow has his change to qualify through tl opens. this is no different from _every single other player residing in europe or the americas_. dimaga is banned from tsl3 because he abused in tsl2. lots of people have made posts suggesting moonglade for example, without being warned.
I'm a little surprised that it's TL policy to warn people for being wrong. I had no idea Dimaga was actually banned, myself. That said, I'm more than happy with the current list of invites, what a tournament this is shaping up to be.
I love the lineup but I wish I wish I wish LeenockfOu was on it ...
Although I understand you picking your own teammate Haypro instead, although, IMHO, Leenock would be much more entertaining to watch - he hasn't played a boring or uninteresting game yet.
On February 13 2011 22:42 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: wow didn't think we'd get nestea AND fruit :D.
For the terrans:
Jinro: Obvious Marineking: Very very likely MVP: Looking a lot more possible now that Nestea is in this.
Nada and Boxer would be a dream come true but they seem like a bit of a stretch to get. We'll probably get some combination of rainbow/maka/top for the remaining spots.
Both Rainbow and Maka are not doing very well recently and probably will get stomped badly. MK/Jinro/MVP are pretty much locked. Maybe Nada/Boxer for the 4th spot just for show. Or Top if we can't get them.
On February 13 2011 23:20 Tigi wrote: Whats with moonglade and Sen?
Sen has automatically qualified. So is mondragon and Tyler. Moonglade isn't in because the spots are limited, and liquid has to make sure haypro gets to play since he plays for TL in Korea.
On February 13 2011 10:49 SpaNkinG wrote: i dont agree with haypros invite :O just cuz he is TL-Player otherwise there still was Dimaga or morrow idk or mb one more koren
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I think its a bit weird Spanking is warned for this post.
Love the invites. Makes me indeed all jiggly and wiggly!
:D
spanking gave his opinion on something he obviously has no clue whatsoever on and he should read more before he posts. this is indicated through him stating "morrow" or "dimaga" as his choices.
morrow has his change to qualify through tl opens. this is no different from _every single other player residing in europe or the americas_. dimaga is banned from tsl3 because he abused in tsl2. lots of people have made posts suggesting moonglade for example, without being warned.
well he also suggested that liquid invite another korean, which I have to agree with. Haypro hasnt earned his spot in the TSL if you compare him to the other invites IMO
but of course hes a liquid guy so he's exempt of all criticism and if the original poster had replaced 'haypro' with 'nestea' he wouldnt have gotten a warning.
people are flat out wrong on these forums 1000x a day, if you're gonna warn people for criticizing haypro at least be open about it
On February 13 2011 10:49 SpaNkinG wrote: i dont agree with haypros invite :O just cuz he is TL-Player otherwise there still was Dimaga or morrow idk or mb one more koren
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I think its a bit weird Spanking is warned for this post.
Love the invites. Makes me indeed all jiggly and wiggly!
:D
spanking gave his opinion on something he obviously has no clue whatsoever on and he should read more before he posts. this is indicated through him stating "morrow" or "dimaga" as his choices.
morrow has his change to qualify through tl opens. this is no different from _every single other player residing in europe or the americas_. dimaga is banned from tsl3 because he abused in tsl2. lots of people have made posts suggesting moonglade for example, without being warned.
well he also suggested that liquid invite another korean, which I have to agree with. Haypro hasnt earned his spot in the TSL if you compare him to the other invites IMO but of course hes a liquid guy so he's exempt of all criticism and if the original poster had replaced 'haypro' with 'nestea' he wouldnt have gotten a warning.
people are flat out wrong on these forums 1000x a day, if you're gonna warn people for criticizing haypro at least be open about it
Did you read his post? the guy suggested morrow and dimaga... two players NOT on the korean server. morrow is currently trying to qualify (check point total) and dimaga is banned from tsl3. If you're going to post in a tsl discussion, at least be informed and read the earlier threads.
btw, that had absolutely nothing with criticizing haypro... seriously... read the 192030123 other posts whining about this who have no warnings/bans.
Some people in this thread are just mind numbingly stupid, it has been mentioned time and time again why haypro was picked but people still complain about how he doesn't deserve his spot. Come on people, really?
Amazing that people don't stop and think before typing out their complaints at the apparent disparity of Liquid members being invited ahead of other big name, Korean players. For a start, all of those foreigner players residing in Korea qualified under their own skill for TSL2 - so they are easily worthy of being amongst the other NA/EU players who qualify through the Opens. Is anyone seriously saying they think Haypro couldn't qualify if he was back in the states like TLO is? And if you are, what could you possibly be basing it on. Sure it's arguable that Haypro isn't as good as some of the Korean zergs who didn't receive invites. But then TL never said they were looking for "the best in the world even if most of them are korean" (a view they don't hold anyway I believe). They want an international event with a decent representation from not just the NA and EU servers but also the Korean server also.
Reaching out and inviting 13 people from the korean server (even if only 7 are actually Korean) is pretty generous of TL. I don't remember the OSL/MSL ever giving out foreigner invites (skill discrepancy aside).
On February 13 2011 23:35 Airship wrote: I'm a little surprised that it's TL policy to warn people for being wrong. I had no idea Dimaga was actually banned, myself. That said, I'm more than happy with the current list of invites, what a tournament this is shaping up to be.
You don't get warned for being wrong - you get warned for making bold statements based on lack of information because otherwise we'll be going in circles of idiotic discussion forever.
On February 14 2011 01:13 Subversive wrote: Amazing that people don't stop and think before typing out their complaints at the apparent disparity of Liquid members being invited ahead of other big name, Korean players. For a start, all of those foreigner players residing in Korea qualified under their own skill for TSL2 - so they are easily worthy of being amongst the other NA/EU players who qualify through the Opens. Is anyone seriously saying they think Haypro couldn't qualify if he was back in the states like TLO is? And if you are, what could you possibly be basing it on. Sure it's arguable that Haypro isn't as good as some of the Korean zergs who didn't receive invites. But then TL never said they were looking for "the best in the world even if most of them are korean" (a view they don't hold anyway I believe). They want an international event with a decent representation from not just the NA and EU servers but also the Korean server also.
Reaching out and inviting 13 people from the korean server (even if only 7 are actually Korean) is pretty generous of TL. I don't remember the OSL/MSL ever giving out foreigner invites (skill discrepancy aside).
Good point. Also there's nothing whatsoever stopping the Koreans from participating in the qualifiers, right?
I'm looking forward to this, and I hope HayprO shows everyone going against him wrong. He is a very strong zerg, but just lacks a bit of confidence in his play to really shine. Its weird that people go off on him like this, totally forgetting the stick Jinro took before he got that little confidence boost he needed. Look at him now ? Going by skill and entertainment value, HayprO seems like the obvious choise from the "remaining" zergs, when the main ones have been chosen. Zenio is ok, wouldn't have minded him in there, but he hasn't been performing all that good, and most people know who he is because of the whole IdrA deal. Kyrix ? Slumping like its nobodys business.
On February 13 2011 10:49 SpaNkinG wrote: i dont agree with haypros invite :O just cuz he is TL-Player otherwise there still was Dimaga or morrow idk or mb one more koren
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I think its a bit weird Spanking is warned for this post.
Love the invites. Makes me indeed all jiggly and wiggly!
:D
I agree with spanking 100 percent the only thing that i am fine with haypro as a choice is based off of two reasons...
1. he is Team Liquid 2. Morrow is European and he has his chance of earning his spot through the TL opens
But from a pure skill level there are probably a lot more zergs I would love to see such as JULY and even Zenio he is oGs and a popular player ... who knows maybe haypro will show us why he deserves the spot and prove everyone in this thread wrong...
"If you asked the question who is the best Zerg player in the world' there is little doubt that the Answer would be NesTea."
i think it is supposed to be: I think there is little doubt that the answer WOULDNT be NesTea.
your tlpd's point towards his bw stats, which indeed are not impressive.
but look at his sc2 stats http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/players/29_NesTea or the sc2 ELO rank (http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/players/?tabulator_search=&auto_redirect=1), where he's far, far ahead of other zergs..
"If you asked the question who is the best Zerg player in the world' there is little doubt that the Answer would be NesTea."
i think it is supposed to be: I think there is little doubt that the answer WOULDNT be NesTea.
your tlpd's point towards his bw stats, which indeed are not impressive.
but look at his sc2 stats http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/players/29_NesTea or the sc2 ELO rank (http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/players/?tabulator_search=&auto_redirect=1), where he's far, far ahead of other zergs..
On February 13 2011 10:57 jfourz wrote: disappointed with the lack of a Morrow invite, but i guess we already knew he wouldnt get one since he's been playing in the tlopens. impressed and excited as hell thanks to the nestea invite and the confirmations of ret & idra!
Does morrow play on the Korean server? No. He can qualify the same way as any other player in EU - through the EU TL opens. OH WAIT HE ALREADY DID QUALIFY.
"If you asked the question who is the best Zerg player in the world' there is little doubt that the Answer would be NesTea."
i think it is supposed to be: I think there is little doubt that the answer WOULDNT be NesTea.
your tlpd's point towards his bw stats, which indeed are not impressive.
but look at his sc2 stats http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/players/29_NesTea or the sc2 ELO rank (http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/players/?tabulator_search=&auto_redirect=1), where he's far, far ahead of other zergs..
lol i cant believe you even responded to this guy haha
I'm kind of wondering how the brackets will be set up to guarantee a tyler/mondragon rematch. Because really, they can't expect them to advance beyond round 1 without a doubt, so are they going to place them against each other early on?
That makes me wonder about the brackets, is it going to be random?
If not, we should be arguing about how the brackets are going to be set up, not the terran invites, because honestly, it's going to be. Jinro, Boxer, MVP, NaDa, and loner because they stressed "Asian invites, not just korean".
Although MKP might be in there also, perhaps instead of NaDa or loner.
On February 13 2011 23:35 Airship wrote: I'm a little surprised that it's TL policy to warn people for being wrong. I had no idea Dimaga was actually banned, myself. That said, I'm more than happy with the current list of invites, what a tournament this is shaping up to be.
You don't get warned for being wrong - you get warned for making bold statements based on lack of information because otherwise we'll be going in circles of idiotic discussion forever.
I thought you got warned/banned by dissagreeing with choosing haypro over someone like leenock or kyrixs, also feel like lot of these warns/bans are so undeserved. what happened to freedom of speech? ^^ Saying leenock and kyrics deserves it more does not mean haypro by any means is bad, so take that into account before you warn/ban me.
On February 13 2011 23:35 Airship wrote: I'm a little surprised that it's TL policy to warn people for being wrong. I had no idea Dimaga was actually banned, myself. That said, I'm more than happy with the current list of invites, what a tournament this is shaping up to be.
You don't get warned for being wrong - you get warned for making bold statements based on lack of information because otherwise we'll be going in circles of idiotic discussion forever.
I thought you got warned/banned by dissagreeing with choosing haypro over someone like leenock or kyrixs, also feel like lot of these warns/bans are so undeserved. what happened to freedom of speech? ^^ Saying leenock and kyrics deserves it more does not mean haypro by any means is bad, so take that into account before you warn/ban me.
it's not like there were a 100 people banned here, there are maybe 3-4 warnings in this thread and they actually went out to posts that are legitimately stupid...
pretty sure you won't get a warning just by disagreeing with a decision as long as you do it in a respectful manner and don't go "LUL WTF THIS HAYPRO GUY?! HE SO BAD! TL U SUXX!"
I've seen some of Haypro's games, if anyhing they're damn entertaining. He's a true gritty fight to the end zerg. He won't disappoint. Oh yeah.....how did people talk about Jinro's skills before he started pwning the (#$& out of everyone in MLG and later GSL.
And it probably been mentioned in the thread. The players in Korea have no way of qualifying apart from traveling back to EU/US or do it like QXC and play after assembly. Since the lag is god awful.
I wonder how TL will manage the lag problem in tournament.
Apart from that.....Fruitdealer and Nestea Holy %^&(_)%^$ !!!!!
On February 13 2011 23:35 Airship wrote: I'm a little surprised that it's TL policy to warn people for being wrong. I had no idea Dimaga was actually banned, myself. That said, I'm more than happy with the current list of invites, what a tournament this is shaping up to be.
You don't get warned for being wrong - you get warned for making bold statements based on lack of information because otherwise we'll be going in circles of idiotic discussion forever.
I thought you got warned/banned by dissagreeing with choosing haypro over someone like leenock or kyrixs, also feel like lot of these warns/bans are so undeserved. what happened to freedom of speech? ^^ Saying leenock and kyrics deserves it more does not mean haypro by any means is bad, so take that into account before you warn/ban me.
There are plenty of people in the thread who voiced their concerns over HayprO's invite with intelligent, well-thought out posts. They weren't warned or banned. It's the people who bash him and TL for inviting him without considering the fact that he's a member of the team that is running this incredible tournament and can't even attempt to qualify through the TL Opens.
They're right in the fact that he hasn't accomplished a whole lot in SC2 yet, but he's an entertaining player and he deserves the chance to prove himself on what is looking like the biggest SC2 stage outside of Korea.
People seem to forget that tournament invitations are a good chance to get up and coming players who don't have a long list of accomplishments in SC2 but could make for some exciting games and good match ups.
Are Leenock or Kyrix better? Maybe, but they already got the two best Korean Zergs and the two best foreign Zergs living in Korea, why would anyone complain about HayprO?
On that note, this tournament is looking to be incredible. I, like everyone else, am expecting to see some mix of Jinro, MKP, MVP, BoxeR, NaDa, Clide, etc. next week. Any combination of them will make this a completely stacked tournament and a must watch.
On February 13 2011 23:35 Airship wrote: I'm a little surprised that it's TL policy to warn people for being wrong. I had no idea Dimaga was actually banned, myself. That said, I'm more than happy with the current list of invites, what a tournament this is shaping up to be.
You don't get warned for being wrong - you get warned for making bold statements based on lack of information because otherwise we'll be going in circles of idiotic discussion forever.
I thought you got warned/banned by dissagreeing with choosing haypro over someone like leenock or kyrixs, also feel like lot of these warns/bans are so undeserved. what happened to freedom of speech? ^^ Saying leenock and kyrics deserves it more does not mean haypro by any means is bad, so take that into account before you warn/ban me.
Freedom of Speech....wat
This is TL.net not some country and yes they invite their OWN players to their OWN tournament, any other Site or Team would do the same if they ever made a 32k tournament.
On February 13 2011 10:57 jfourz wrote: disappointed with the lack of a Morrow invite, but i guess we already knew he wouldnt get one since he's been playing in the tlopens. impressed and excited as hell thanks to the nestea invite and the confirmations of ret & idra!
Does morrow play on the Korean server? No. He can qualify the same way as any other player in EU - through the EU TL opens. OH WAIT HE ALREADY DID QUALIFY.
Edit - added link. Seriously people, these invites are for players who cannot easily participate in the NA/EU TL Opens because they're in Korea. Read.
I think you're mixing it up a little. The link you posted is the registration list, not what they ended up placing in the tourney. Morrow will need a strong finish to qualify, but given his recent performance, I really think he can do it.
On February 13 2011 10:49 SpaNkinG wrote: i dont agree with haypros invite :O just cuz he is TL-Player otherwise there still was Dimaga or morrow idk or mb one more koren
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Dimaga can't participate hes still banned from cheating in TSL2 and Morrow isn't as strong as haypro so honestly who else to invite?
On February 13 2011 10:49 SpaNkinG wrote: i dont agree with haypros invite :O just cuz he is TL-Player otherwise there still was Dimaga or morrow idk or mb one more koren
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Dimaga can't participate hes still banned from cheating in TSL2 and Morrow isn't as strong as haypro so honestly who else to invite?
Great invites. I am going to be taking close attention to Idra and Nestea without a doubt. I hope we won't see any ZvZs in the early rounds. It would be a shame to have these great players knock each other out... (and ZvZ is not the most exciting MU)
It is understandable and predictable that TL would invite their players to the tournament. However, from what I remember it was announced that these invites would be given to "the best and most deserving" players playing in the asian servers. And well.. there are several korean zergs that surely are more deserving than HayprO if this is the criteria, such as July, oGsZenio or even KyrixZenith. July would have been a great pick in my opinion, as he's both a huge name in the scene and is also code S and pretty damn good right now. HayprO, well, he might or might not be good but he really has nothing to show at this moment except the TL tag.
That being said, it's still going to be a great tournament with awesome players playing. I just think this would've made it a little bit better. ;]
On February 13 2011 10:49 SpaNkinG wrote: i dont agree with haypros invite :O just cuz he is TL-Player otherwise there still was Dimaga or morrow idk or mb one more koren
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Dimaga can't participate hes still banned from cheating in TSL2 and Morrow isn't as strong as haypro so honestly who else to invite?
Dimaga is still banned and Morrow doesn't live in korea.....Thats why i warned him.
On February 13 2011 10:49 SpaNkinG wrote: i dont agree with haypros invite :O just cuz he is TL-Player otherwise there still was Dimaga or morrow idk or mb one more koren
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Dimaga can't participate hes still banned from cheating in TSL2 and Morrow isn't as strong as haypro so honestly who else to invite?
I don't understand how haypro got an invite...I guess just because he is a member of Liquid? He really hasn't shown any good play and there are many better zergs in korea that could of gotten an invite..
On February 14 2011 07:44 dapierow wrote: sorry I never played Sc1 what do you mean by ladder abuse?
The qualification stage of TSL 2 was played on ICCUP, a 3rd-party ladder server. Unlike B.net 2.0, ICCUP's ladder did not randomly assign your opponent. The most common way to abuse the ladder was to intentionally lose to a friend (or have a friend intentionally lose to you) in order to generate free points and climb the ladder rankings quickly. It's a cheap and easy way to "game the system" but, fortunately, it was also easy to detect.
On February 14 2011 08:09 Lambertus wrote: Some posts earlier "corddan" asked an interesting question and i would like to repeat it in hope of an answer of someone who knows more:
how was the attendance in the last TSLs? how many viewers were on live stream ?
You have to understand that BW wasn't as big as SC2, but I believe the TSL1 finals peaked around 12000 and the TSL2 finals around 25000. I could be remembering wrong. At that time we didn't have streaming websites - TL hosted the mms streams directly themselves.
On February 14 2011 08:09 Lambertus wrote: Some posts earlier "corddan" asked an interesting question and i would like to repeat it in hope of an answer of someone who knows more:
how was the attendance in the last TSLs? how many viewers were on live stream ?
You have to understand that BW wasn't as big as SC2, but I believe the TSL1 finals peaked around 12000 and the TSL2 finals around 25000. I could be remembering wrong. At that time we didn't have streaming websites - TL hosted the mms streams directly themselves.
I would also like to note that our daily traffic at TL.net has increased by 5-6 times since the release of SC2, so you can count on the numbers being much much higher for TSL3. Those numbers for a 10 year old game with none of the Korean stars was actually quite amazing.
Back in StarCraft1 for TSL 1 and 2, we were the biggest game in town outside of Korea. This is an additional reason why we invite foreigners from the "korean server" - because traditionally we never let the Koreans into the main tournament (although they could ladder if they wanted) because Koreans had so many opportunities to participate in events while this was the sole chance for the guys outside Korea. This policy has changed since because now everybody has opportunities everywhere. The fact that there are so many other tournaments outside of Korea now besides the TSL is just a testament to how far the scene has come.
But you can count on it that the TSL will continue to deliver and continue to be one of the most prestigious titles to hold in the international scene. =D
if TSL can keep this kind of prize money and organize this league every 3 or so months, it will be amassing stuff. This invites show that there is no reason for the two scenes to exist, the Korean and "foreigner" scenes can become one with GSL and TSL, and possibly more later on.
Also with all the maps discussion going on now days what maps are you guys using for TSL? are you gonna use any of the GSL maps? or are you gonna stay on ladder maps? or possibly any of the new ladder maps?
First of all I love foreigners in sc2 korean tourney, I always cheer for them in a tourney. Hopefully Haypro will dominate code A and go to code S.
Loves the invites, but I'm just stating my opinion Haypro one seems a bit weak I mean yes he is on the teamliquid team but it just doesn't feel the same. Nestea is the best zerg at the moment. Idra is pretty much the second best zerg. Ret showed strong performance in all tourney recently taking first in a Europe one. What did Haypro accomplish? I think it was round 64 in GSL 3 and a few teamleague wins.... Julyzerg(aka god of freaken war) or oGSzenio or Kyrix(ie the person who popularized mid game baneling bust) would have been much more epic. Even Moonglade who recently took down loner in I think it was Asian IEM final seems much more impressive.
But yea, Invites to a prestigious tourny should be epic. It defines the tourny. When people see the list of invites, they should be wow'ed. They should be the best players or most influential players without the chance to qualify and I think haypro is just not there yet. Like my friend watches SC2 competitively(he watches most GSL) but not a die hard fan like me. When he saw the list, he was like "epic idra", "the guy who has beast macro ret", "holy @#$ 2 GSL winners", and who?
Some people say "he fell only to bitbybitprime's all-in" but the we all saw how FD shut down bit's all in.
my guess for terran invites: IMmvp-best player in the world liquidJinro-foreign's greatest white hope bringing the macro to TvP and TvZ Boxer-a tourey like this is great but what would make it epic? The emperor Nada-what is better than having the emperor? Having the emperor with the most successful progamer of all time MKP-most consistent terran.
honorable mentions: rainbow- Im not 100% sure but he is consistent. loner-well I like this guy so please?
I wonder who the terran invites will be. Mvp, nada and boxer would probably make the most perfect and epic event ever O.o By the way, is it going to be a LAN format, or are the koreans gonna play from korea with the lag?
lol whats so funny is that everyones like "oh TL just invited all thier own players" blah blah blah.
first. stop haypro bashing. haypro is the man.
and guess what? TL didnt invite all thier own players.
TLO anyone?
doesnt it seem like maybe server connection drove invites? as in they couldnt play in NA/Euro events, so lets give them a shot?
i mean im super hyped about the top of the korean scene playing in this TSL, but being a fan of foreigner players(and a liquid fan), i really want to see the liquid players that are in korea, and havent had the opportunity to really play in events outside of korea.
im pretty sure that if haypro, huk and ret were in NA/EU they would have had to qualify just like TLO did (tyler didnt have to cause hes ballin and won the whole thing last time)
On February 13 2011 10:49 SpaNkinG wrote: i dont agree with haypros invite :O just cuz he is TL-Player otherwise there still was Dimaga or morrow idk or mb one more koren
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Sometimes I think the people operating this site are stupid. Always warn or trying to ban user that don't deserve to be warned. I feel so discouraged. Almost 100% of the comments I read didn't deserve to be warned. This site is for starcraft community to express what they're thinking. Sometimes I feel like users' comments should be "TL is the great" or "TL is genius", or else they would not be welcomed. I think this site's mods should open up for all comments.
Who else think the mods are gay?
btw, this is my first comment, I think. I don't post a lot, but I like reading all comments from all starcraft fellows, and read a lot; and I'm so ready to be banned for this comment.
....and nerds out there, please don't quote this comment and write "lol", cause you'll be warned for sure!
On February 13 2011 10:49 SpaNkinG wrote: i dont agree with haypros invite :O just cuz he is TL-Player otherwise there still was Dimaga or morrow idk or mb one more koren
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Sometimes I think the people operating this site are stupid. Always warn or trying to ban user that don't deserve to be warned. I feel so discouraged. Almost 100% of the comments I read didn't deserve to be warned. This site is for starcraft community to express what they're thinking. Sometimes I feel like users' comments should be "TL is the great" or "TL is genius", or else they would not be welcomed. I think this site's mods should open up for all comments.
Who else think the mods are gay?
btw, this is my first comment, I think. I don't post a lot, but I like reading all comments from all starcraft fellows, and read a lot; and I'm so ready to be banned for this comment.
....and nerds out there, please don't quote this comment and write "lol", cause you'll be warned for sure!
Sweet jesus. I'm terrified that once the Terran invites get announced that the universe will, in fact, contain no more awesome. It will be used up in a single moment. Then, when TSL3 commences, it will unleash a supernova and consume us all.
On February 14 2011 14:05 Mr.Ch4rms wrote: lol whats so funny is that everyones like "oh TL just invited all thier own players" blah blah blah.
first. stop haypro bashing. haypro is the man.
and guess what? TL didnt invite all thier own players.
TLO anyone?
doesnt it seem like maybe server connection drove invites? as in they couldnt play in NA/Euro events, so lets give them a shot?
i mean im super hyped about the top of the korean scene playing in this TSL, but being a fan of foreigner players(and a liquid fan), i really want to see the liquid players that are in korea, and havent had the opportunity to really play in events outside of korea.
im pretty sure that if haypro, huk and ret were in NA/EU they would have had to qualify just like TLO did (tyler didnt have to cause hes ballin and won the whole thing last time)
...TLO has to qualify he doesnt play on the Korean/chinese servers or w/e i still dont feel like haypro warrants an invite but i dont believe they are just inviting their own players, they have invited the best there is at the moment. there are certaintly better players than haypro to invite he was not even code A.
I cheer for both Mondragon and Fruitdealer. Mondragon needs to further comment, he is just so experienced.
I think, Fruitdealer's win of the first GSL is still the most impressive feat in SC2 pro gaming yet. He did not just crush the opponents. He outclassed them. He turned a perceived disadvantage into the key of securing the win. His mutas were everywhere right in time, like he had a maphack.
In GSL1 he showed us that skill is more important than balance. His achievement prevented many zerg players from abandoning their race.
On February 14 2011 08:09 Lambertus wrote: Some posts earlier "corddan" asked an interesting question and i would like to repeat it in hope of an answer of someone who knows more:
how was the attendance in the last TSLs? how many viewers were on live stream ?
You have to understand that BW wasn't as big as SC2, but I believe the TSL1 finals peaked around 12000 and the TSL2 finals around 25000. I could be remembering wrong. At that time we didn't have streaming websites - TL hosted the mms streams directly themselves.
Thanks for the answer! and the mms-streams I remember well :D
Quite interesting thou, we ' ll see how TSL3 will do...hopefully we will break new records of live viewers! My guess are 30k or more. you heard it here first
oh and pls Mods ord Admins, could you Post a big sticky somewhere all over the TL-Site about the freakin RULES and how the KOREANS-Players have to be invited? Man, this discussion so sucks! Lets talk about interesting stuff like Terran-invites or brackets!
On February 14 2011 14:05 Mr.Ch4rms wrote: lol whats so funny is that everyones like "oh TL just invited all thier own players" blah blah blah.
first. stop haypro bashing. haypro is the man.
and guess what? TL didnt invite all thier own players.
TLO anyone?
doesnt it seem like maybe server connection drove invites? as in they couldnt play in NA/Euro events, so lets give them a shot?
i mean im super hyped about the top of the korean scene playing in this TSL, but being a fan of foreigner players(and a liquid fan), i really want to see the liquid players that are in korea, and havent had the opportunity to really play in events outside of korea.
im pretty sure that if haypro, huk and ret were in NA/EU they would have had to qualify just like TLO did (tyler didnt have to cause hes ballin and won the whole thing last time)
I think you have it backwards.
If TLO and Tyler weren't on NA/EU servers and didn't qualify otherwise -- and if they were in Korea like their teammates -- I'm sure they'd get a free pass into the tournament as well.
That being said, I'm past my initial HayprO-hate. It's their tournament and they can do whatever they want and... there's nothing really wrong with that.
I've got mixed feelings about Boxer and Nada being the potential 4th and 5th's outside of MVP, MKP, Jinro. Boxer always impresses me with the freshness of his play, even when he loses and Nada is a good terran but...
I don't know. As much as the excitement side of me, ex-bw kid wants to see Nada and Boxer play another side would also like to see oGsTop, aLive, or Clyde. I guess I'm torn as to feeling that these two are actually the best next 2 terrans in the korean scene atm. Feels alot harder for all the races once you go past MC for toss, MKP,MVP for terran and Nestea, Idra, Fruitdealer for zerg. And even this doesn't seem certain in some cases.
On February 14 2011 21:50 Silahsor wrote: I am afraid Haypro is not there yet to be amongst top 5. Morrow, Dimaga, July or LosirA might be a better pick.
dude read the thread. Dimaga's excluded from this tsl for his ladder abuse last tsl. Morrow is competing through the TLOpens and these invites are for those from Korea.
Do people really want Boxer and Nada over some of the other terrans out there? I understand that they're SC1 legends but they haven't been performing that well in SC2 so far. Why not have other terrans who are currently performing better, like: bomber, top or stc. I do agree that jinro, mvp and mkp are must-invites
If TLO and Tyler weren't on NA/EU servers and didn't qualify otherwise -- and if they were in Korea like their teammates -- I'm sure they'd get a free pass into the tournament as well.
That being said, I'm past my initial HayprO-hate. It's their tournament and they can do whatever they want and... there's nothing really wrong with that.
Yea it's their own tournament, but it really makes the player pool a lot weaker if they are inviting their own team instead of more deserving players imo.
Korean players who have out performed haypro and did not recieve an invite: oGsZenio ImJunwi Golden NewDawn Monster Leenock July Check JooktoJung Moon TheWind Phoenix Kyrix Terious Yugioh Cezanne
I dunno about the rest of you, but seeing a player like Haypro get an invite over somone like July, Leenock, Zenio, or Check really dissapoints me.
To clarify, people are not being warned for posting about Haypro. They are being warned for not informing themselves properly of what the TSL invites are - an invite JUST for players on the Asian servers - not players from EU or NA.
well its a TL tournament they CAN invite whoever they want but haypro just hasnt preformed so far and thats just my opinion. He was invited into code A, ret made it and even though Huk was also invited into code A, he has like two accounts in top 10 korean ladder. There are plenty other zergs in code s/a that are more deserving but i do sort of agree TL inviting their own players i mean someone has to give them a chance/support them
If TLO and Tyler weren't on NA/EU servers and didn't qualify otherwise -- and if they were in Korea like their teammates -- I'm sure they'd get a free pass into the tournament as well.
That being said, I'm past my initial HayprO-hate. It's their tournament and they can do whatever they want and... there's nothing really wrong with that.
Yea it's their own tournament, but it really makes the player pool a lot weaker if they are inviting their own team instead of more deserving players imo.
Korean players who have out performed haypro and did not recieve an invite: oGsZenio ImJunwi Golden NewDawn Monster Leenock July Check JooktoJung Moon TheWind Phoenix Kyrix Terious Yugioh Cezanne
I dunno about the rest of you, but seeing a player like Haypro get an invite over somone like July, Leenock, Zenio, or Check really dissapoints me.
Inviting one player of indeterminate, but high, quality into a pool of 32 players makes the whole player pool a lot weaker? That seems like a gross exaggeration. Or are you suggesting that HuK, Ret, and probably Jinro, don't deserve their spots either? That's the problem, you can't argue that TL is weakening the player pool by a lot with just one invitation, so you say they are inviting their whole team. But, the other invitees are all obvious choices, so you focus on Haypro's.
And to be sure, the only people who really know how good Haypro is have invited him to this tournament, seeing as none of us have really seen him play recently. The only tournaments that Haypro has played in he's done well in, and if we look at TL (as a team's) track record, I have faith that Haypro is going to kick ass as well. No-one knew about Jinro, he stayed in Korea, practised his ass off, went to MLG and won the tournament. Since then he's become a household name. No-one rated Ret that highly after his troubles in the last GSL and he just won Assembly in one of the most difficult tournaments we've seen to date. Even HuK, who didn't win Assembly, is rumoured to be incredibly strong at the moment, and he certainly looked good in Assembly. People underestimate the effects of living in a pro-house and practising in a Korean environment 24/7. No-one who's done it for an extended period of time has failed to impress yet, Haypro just hasn't been given the opportunity to do so.
With all this said, I really don't see how think inviting Haypro is a bad idea. No-one knows how he's going to perform, no-one knows how anyone is going to perform in a tournament as stacked as the TSL, but I'm dead certain Haypro won't make the player pool weaker. And as Drone mentioned, there's no way TL could have not invited him. The only reason he is unable to qualify via TL Opens is because he's gone to Korea to represent TL. Leaving him off of the roster for such a big tournament would be a major slap in the face, especially given his dedication and talent.
On February 14 2011 23:40 Burn2Memory wrote: I dunno about the rest of you, but seeing a player like Haypro get an invite over somone like July, Leenock, Zenio, or Check really dissapoints me.
Whereas I would have loved to see July get an invite and I rate Zenio highly, Leenock and Check are generally overrated and I definitely don't see much of a difference between them and Haypro. In fact, from all the games I've seen, I would say Haypro is an overall better player than Check, and not a lot (if at all) worse than Leenock right now.
The thing is, people will just look at Code S/A brackets, see some names, and automatically decide something like "player A qualified for GSL, player B didn't, hence player A is genuinely better", which makes no sense at all right now because the scene is just shaping up. Going by that logic, you'd end up inviting people like choya and Rain.
Qualifiers are sick hard to get through and there's probably a dozen great players that either didn't make it to Code A or just qualified for the first time, as we could see in the GSTL recently. I'm pretty sure that if we had all the Code S players go through qualifiers again, at least a third of them wouldn't ever make it back to Code S again.
There's quite simply not that much that separates Haypro skill-wise from those other Zergs that didn't get invited. And when it's a close call like that, it makes sense for him to get invited in a TL-ran event.
I personally wouldn't want Boxer or Nada to be invited right now . And to be frank i would be really dissapointed if they get invited , because JulyZerg did not get invited . Otherwise i would have loved to see any of the players i mentioned above duke it out against the foreigners .
I agree with some of the hate on the HayprO decision, but most of that comes from not having seen him play in quite some time. Same goes with Ret - I know he's a great player, and a solid zerg (last I knew, he was actually altogether too "solid" and standard) but I haven't seen him play recently, I don't know how he's performing. ST_July is currently playing better than fruitdealer. Kyrix is a fantastic player, and IMJunwi is nothing to sneeze at. While I can certainly see that Ret and HayprO (and fruitdealer) will provide some great games, I'm not sure if I would like to see Kyrix or junwi instead - and I would go so far as to say that I would trade any player who has so far qualified/been invited, with the exceptions of Nestea, IdrA, and oGsMC to see ST_july here.
As far as the terran invites are going to go... IMMvP MarinekingPrime Liquid'Jinro ? ?
I'd really like to see Clide, Rainbow, or ST_bomber in this. Bomber missed out on Code A this time around, so we won't be seeing him for a while, but we know he's a beastly player. I suppose the obvious choice is to put Nada and Boxer in there, but I'm not sure how I feel about the selection. I'm torn - we shall have to see when the terran invites are released!
Haypro seems like the weakest out of that group mostly because his games in GSL were mostly disappointing although I'm sure he's better than most of the international players that have qualified so far. Would have liked to see zenio or kyrix invited. Haypro will do well as long as he doesn't go against an agreesive terran or korean in the first round. But this is the liquid tournament, and I fully support adding haypro to the invites for it.
To speculate on terrans,
Jinro MVP MKP Top Nada
are my top choices based on performance. They might add boxer since he's a big name or possibly thestc even though he isn't in gsl yet.
If TLO and Tyler weren't on NA/EU servers and didn't qualify otherwise -- and if they were in Korea like their teammates -- I'm sure they'd get a free pass into the tournament as well.
That being said, I'm past my initial HayprO-hate. It's their tournament and they can do whatever they want and... there's nothing really wrong with that.
Yea it's their own tournament, but it really makes the player pool a lot weaker if they are inviting their own team instead of more deserving players imo.
Korean players who have out performed haypro and did not recieve an invite: oGsZenio ImJunwi Golden NewDawn Monster Leenock July Check JooktoJung Moon TheWind Phoenix Kyrix Terious Yugioh Cezanne
I dunno about the rest of you, but seeing a player like Haypro get an invite over somone like July, Leenock, Zenio, or Check really dissapoints me.
Inviting one player of indeterminate, but high, quality into a pool of 32 players makes the whole player pool a lot weaker? That seems like a gross exaggeration. Or are you suggesting that HuK, Ret, and probably Jinro, don't deserve their spots either? That's the problem, you can't argue that TL is weakening the player pool by a lot with just one invitation, so you say they are inviting their whole team. But, the other invitees are all obvious choices, so you focus on Haypro's.
And to be sure, the only people who really know how good Haypro is have invited him to this tournament, seeing as none of us have really seen him play recently. The only tournaments that Haypro has played in he's done well in, and if we look at TL (as a team's) track record, I have faith that Haypro is going to kick ass as well. No-one knew about Jinro, he stayed in Korea, practised his ass off, went to MLG and won the tournament. Since then he's become a household name. No-one rated Ret that highly after his troubles in the last GSL and he just won Assembly in one of the most difficult tournaments we've seen to date. Even HuK, who didn't win Assembly, is rumoured to be incredibly strong at the moment, and he certainly looked good in Assembly. People underestimate the effects of living in a pro-house and practising in a Korean environment 24/7. No-one who's done it for an extended period of time has failed to impress yet, Haypro just hasn't been given the opportunity to do so.
With all this said, I really don't see how think inviting Haypro is a bad idea. No-one knows how he's going to perform, no-one knows how anyone is going to perform in a tournament as stacked as the TSL, but I'm dead certain Haypro won't make the player pool weaker. And as Drone mentioned, there's no way TL could have not invited him. The only reason he is unable to qualify via TL Opens is because he's gone to Korea to represent TL. Leaving him off of the roster for such a big tournament would be a major slap in the face, especially given his dedication and talent.
The problem is if Jinro gets the invite noone is going to complain because he accomplished the most of all foreigners in sc2 then got the invite. Huk took first in MLG the biggest US tourny and consistently stayed at top 10 of US ladder for the longest period of time.Ret made top 32 losing in a very close 3 games which could have gone either way. He showed his macro power crushing his round of 64 player even a toss on jungle basin. He recently got first against the best European+American at Assembly.
Haypro got steamrolled by bitbybitprime and won a few team leagues games. Do I want to him to get to Code S and own it up? Hell yea! But do I think he deserves the invite over proven better players(oGsZenio or Kyrix or july) or more influential players(god of freaken war)? Nope.As I said before, new and upcoming players will not make TSL worse. I mean Haypro is probably better than some of the new player that qualified through qualifiers. But being an invitee to a tourney changes that and changes the standard. People don't look through an invitee list and think "meh, I heard of him before but he might do well but we aren't sure yet because well......"
On February 15 2011 02:29 Daigomi wrote: I'm dead certain Haypro won't make the player pool weaker. And as Drone mentioned, there's no way TL could have not invited him. The only reason he is unable to qualify via TL Opens is because he's gone to Korea to represent TL. Leaving him off of the roster for such a big tournament would be a major slap in the face, especially given his dedication and talent.
As someone who had nothing to do with the invites, I do not think this was stressed enough.
Imagine if you were in charge of liquid. You ask a player to move halfway across the world from Sweden to compete at the highest level in Korea. By doing so, you inherently say "I think you are one of the best. I see promise. I believe in you." Then you start the biggest online SC2 tournament in the world with a rule that Korean server players cannot compete in qualifications. This means he cannot qualify when he could have otherwise in Sweden. After that, can you REALLY not invite him given all the sacrifices, dedication, and hard work he's put into the game based on decisions you recommended for his career? It just was not happening. And if it did, there would be some major credibility problems within Liquid for how they treat and take care of their own players. It does not make sense to screw over one of your own like that after saying you believe in their talent and after the life changing commitment he made to the team based on your recommendation. This is especially so because the TSL has historically been a tournament for the foreigner scene until now.
All that said, Haypro's the man and he's more than good enough to be invited. All the haters just made me into a Haypro fanboy. Show 'em up Hayder.
On February 15 2011 02:29 Daigomi wrote: I'm dead certain Haypro won't make the player pool weaker. And as Drone mentioned, there's no way TL could have not invited him. The only reason he is unable to qualify via TL Opens is because he's gone to Korea to represent TL. Leaving him off of the roster for such a big tournament would be a major slap in the face, especially given his dedication and talent.
As someone who had nothing to do with the invites, I do not think this was stressed enough.
Imagine if you were in charge of liquid. You ask a player to move halfway across the world from Sweden to compete at the highest level in Korea. By doing so, you inherently say "I think you are one of the best. I see promise. I believe in you." Then you start the biggest online SC2 tournament in the world with a rule that Korean server players cannot compete in qualifications. This means he cannot qualify when he could have otherwise in Sweden. After that, can you REALLY not invite him given all the sacrifices, dedication, and hard work he's put into the game based on decisions you recommended for his career? It just was not happening. And if it did, there would be some major credibility problems within Liquid for how they treat and take care of their own players. It does not make sense to screw over one of your own like that after saying you believe in their talent and after the life changing commitment he made to the team based on your recommendation. This is especially so because the TSL has historically been a tournament for the foreigner scene until now.
All that said, Haypro's the man and he's more than good enough to be invited. All the haters just made me into a Haypro fanboy. Show 'em up Hayder.
You bring up a valid point. I stated in an earlier post that TL is free to invite whoever as it is their tournament, and I wasn't going to say something directed toward Haypro since I did not know all the circumstances. I think the concern is since the Korean Ladder cannot be used to qualify, we're missing out on a ton of potentially amazing players. I don't have a problem with Haypro getting the invite. I have a problem with players like St_July and OGsZenio not getting invited.
Edit: I think a lot of people are upset because they see the situation as because Haypro got the invite these other players cannot and did not get one.
This is going to be the most exciting TSL yet. And last years was pretty freaking amazing. Does anyone know if the replays will be posted of all of these games afterwards? It would be amazing to study them and learn some strategies and techniques.
me thinks people watched haypro in round of 64 and never anything else...
haypro is a monster and more than deserving this invite. please name a zerg who is better than him that isn't on the invite list as well....
Edit: I see some people saying July... while July packs starpower HayprO is a fundamentally better sc2 player than July, hurts to say but it's the truth. Go watch some replays.
On February 15 2011 08:38 crms wrote: me thinks people watched haypro in round of 64 and never anything else...
haypro is a monster and more than deserving this invite. please name a zerg who is better than him that isn't on the invite list as well....
Edit: I see some people saying July... while July packs starpower HayprO is a fundamentally better sc2 player than July, hurts to say but it's the truth. Go watch some replays.
You do know julyzerg is a much stronger zerg. He is right now in code S. He made is to round of 16 losing the oGsMC when people considered MC to not be able to lose anyone in the game. I don't think haypro can take a game off MC at that time. Not only that it was a good series not a walkover. It was 2-1 and last game was a nail biter until a micro mistake that got his roaches caught in middle of nowhere against blink stalkers. July has taken down top sc2 pros in the teamleague. He is proven to be a monster at the moment. I wouldnt put him too behind idra if they aren't the same level already.
Zenio as many have said is also probably a better zerg. The guy is consistent and good. He took out idra and even though its a zvz that is no easy feat. This guy is the only zerg who literraly rolled MVP. He got knocked out of in code S by Tester. He lost in GSL S2 by losing to Nestea who later won it. He qualified for all the starleague so he is at least as consistent as Idra.
Im not sure if you really want to compare accomplishment because Haypro is no where near as accomplished as either of the two.
Now I agree with the guy above me(or a few guys above me). Most people aren't upset that Haypro got the invite. But the fact that he got it over Julyzerg or oGsZenio or Kyrix seems wrong.
If haypro got invited, would have loved to see Monglade invited by that same logic. That said however, this is panning out to be THE sc2 event of 2011 thus far.
On February 15 2011 16:30 elementz wrote: So for my question as to what maps are being used for the tourney? which maps are you guys using for the tourney?
Just the fact that this tournament will have awesome maps makes me absolute confident this tournament will be the best outside of GSL. Both in terms of exciting new strategies and execution.
NesTea will obviously go to the final, unless MVP is invited and meets him first.
Maybe I'm just a biased Zerg player, who believes the reason Zerg is so hard to play in tournaments, is because often the other player can force the game to be played on completely imba maps like Jungle, Steppes and DQ. So glad TSL don't have any of that shit.
Placement in GSL means nothing unless it's consistent and identifiable; just qualifying for Code S depends on the luck of matchups as well as skill. The outcome of matchups means nothing by itself, unless you guys concede that choya is better than MVP (he "rolled" MVP 2-0 in GSL3) and is almost comparable to Jinro (he lost 3-2 in Ro16). But no one thinks that. And for all of MVP's hype, no one was talking about him like this before Gisado's Challenge. He didn't magically become the best Terran in the world overnight either.
The fact is we haven't seen enough of Haypro to judge his fundamentals, or how he reacts under pressure, or the strength of his late-game. Your doubts may or may not be justified once we see him play, but for now hold your criticism.
On February 16 2011 03:08 CosmicSpiral wrote: Placement in GSL means nothing unless it's consistent and identifiable; just qualifying for Code S depends on the luck of matchups as well as skill. The outcome of matchups means nothing by itself, unless you guys concede that choya is better than MVP (he "rolled" MVP 2-0 in GSL3) and is almost comparable to Jinro (he lost 3-2 in Ro16). But no one thinks that. And for all of MVP's hype, no one was talking about him like this before Gisado's Challenge. He didn't magically become the best Terran in the world overnight either.
The fact is we haven't seen enough of Haypro to judge his fundamentals, or how he reacts under pressure, or the strength of his late-game. Your doubts may or may not be justified once we see him play, but for now hold your criticism.
Choya isn't weak he is definitely one of the top protoss at the moment. He made to and stayed in code S proves a lot. He lost season 3 at the hands of Jinro in a close 3-2 match at the quarterfinals. Im saying from his games, you can easily see he can compete with the top. He tries to play mind games by attempting to fake expand then cancel. He took down MVP in a series. I mean anyone can take down MVP in a BO-1 but doing it in a series is so much harder.
Noone said Zenio is better than MVP so I don't see how you could draw a conclusion that Choya is. Being able to beat/compete with the best is definitely what i look for in a good player. I mean if Haypro fell to SCV rush of BitbyBit what if MVP or Jinro SCV rush him with them having better micro and game sense.
The fact is we did see how he folded under pressure/weak judgmenet. Round of 64 of GSL 3 is an obivous indicator. He lost plain to two straight scv all in. Now you can say those are imba, but an out of shape fruitdealer shut down the same type of SCV all-in with ease.
The main thing I feel is that TSL is like pitting some of the best online newcomers against all-stars of the game. When you get invited, I don't want to hope to see something good. I never need to hope to see MC crush terran nubs who mass marauders. I know he is going to do it.
On February 14 2011 21:50 Silahsor wrote: I am afraid Haypro is not there yet to be amongst top 5. Morrow, Dimaga, July or LosirA might be a better pick.
User was warned for this post. Read the topic and inform yourself.
On February 15 2011 00:36 Plexa wrote: To clarify, people are not being warned for posting about Haypro. They are being warned for not informing themselves properly of what the TSL invites are - an invite JUST for players on the Asian servers - not players from EU or NA.
:o
Anyways, really looking forward to the tournament, especially how the top non-koreans around the world compete with the top people living in Korea, since several players already said that in SC2 the skill gap is not that big or even non-existant.
There was a thread on readmore on how all the tournaments in SC2 are so similar, always the same system and even always the same players. While the TLopen won't change much on the good old system, mixing up the top players from all around the world definitely is incredibly refreshing.
Really disliking the Haypro invite. Personally I feel that Kyrix or July would have been a better invite with Kyrix being the less biased of the two (GSL All Stars). Although we DO NOT know which players were invited and declined.
I really hope the ro32 is mostly TL Open Qualifiers vs Invites. I would hate to see Invite vs Invite kills early on.
On February 15 2011 13:28 Gentleman7 wrote: If haypro got invited, would have loved to see Monglade invited by that same logic. That said however, this is panning out to be THE sc2 event of 2011 thus far.
How would that be using the same logic? Moonglade hasn't even proven himself to be good player yet and is not involved with Team Liquid whatsoever (He's on FXO)
The main point is Hayder is on Team Liquid and is not allowed to qualify.
And Haypro is a GREAT player, he qualified for GSL in less tries than Jinro, and he only got beat by the BitbyBit himself in Ro64, so he has yet to even be able to prove himself yet people are saying he is bad....great
I do want to take back what I said originally. I thought that there were 14 invites for TSL not 13, so I figured there would be 6 terrans instead of 5 (whom I will just assume with ZERO evidence, is going to be Nada, Boxer, MKP, MVP, Jinro). So originally I thought a 'random' 6th terran would have been thrown in, thus my point that Haypro could have been taking away a spot from Moonglade.
While I do think Moonglade deserves it moreso than haypro as a player, I think Haypro also deserves to be invited, since like it was mentioned earlier, he shouldn't have zero chance at qualification just because he plays in Korea. He is a member of teamliquid so it only makes sense, but it is unfortunate that instead of haypro not having a chance at qualification, its moonglade who now has no chance to qualify unless he plays through the lag in the last few qualifiers.
Thing about MoonGlade is I would love to see him in there, but he did have a few shots at qualification as we did not ban him from playing from the SEA servers before he moved to Korea. And if I'm correct, he was playing in the SEA servers back then.
What makes Moonglade better than Haypro? I think giving Moonglade a spot would be much, much worse because he would be taking the spot away from a Korean who is much better and Moonglade isn't on Team Liquid, and Moonglade has had chances to qualify. Both Moonglade and Haypro have had barely any tournament results except for winning IEM in SEA, the weakest server and beating ONE GSL player in Loner.... only one.
TL;DR if it wasn't Hapyro getting the fourth spot it would not be Moonglade
On February 15 2011 13:28 Gentleman7 wrote: If haypro got invited, would have loved to see Monglade invited by that same logic. That said however, this is panning out to be THE sc2 event of 2011 thus far.
How would that be using the same logic? Moonglade hasn't even proven himself to be good player yet and is not involved with Team Liquid whatsoever (He's on FXO)
The main point is Hayder is on Team Liquid and is not allowed to qualify.
And Haypro is a GREAT player, he qualified for GSL in less tries than Jinro, and he only got beat by the BitbyBit himself in Ro64, so he has yet to even be able to prove himself yet people are saying he is bad....great
making it in less tries means very little. Jinro made top 4 twice in GSL and won a MLG I think that is enough to show he is a stronger player despite taking more tries.
Also no1 said he is bad. Im just saying he isn't as good as other zergs like july, kyrix, and zenio. As we all said we all love Haypro but the fact that people who don't agree with the pick is if he got picked over better zergs just because he is in liquid.
I played vs MoonGlade a few TL qualifiers back on the EU server, so he tried to qualify and failed, lost to Ciara in that TL open so I guess he can still use his EU account next TL open to try to qualify again(and I hope I don't run into him again )
On February 16 2011 10:35 Kazzabiss wrote: How would that be using the same logic? Moonglade hasn't even proven himself to be good player yet and is not involved with Team Liquid whatsoever (He's on FXO)
I feel like I have to point this out, considering you are trying to debunk Moonglade, but he is the more accomplished player in SC2 compared to Hayder at the moment. Will this change anything? No. Just wanted to point that out. I haven't seen any of Hayder's practice matches recently, so I really cannot comment on his play other than the few European tournaments in which I've seen him in.
With that said, he has some of the best practice partners at the moment. It really comes down to showtime and if he can keep his nerves in check. We'll have to wait and see. Will he make it through the ro32? Possibly. I think an accomplishment in itself for him would be ro16 or even ro8 depending on the brackets. I won't be shocked when we get 1 Korean in the top 4.
The difference between Haypro and the rest of the TL invites is that Haypro really has no achievements whatsoever. He got knocked out early at every tournament he's been to; MLG, GSL, even most of the random EU tournaments he went to with TLO. He won one of those, thats nice, but that shouldn't be enough to justify an invite. And unlike the rest of liquid he has no presence on the ladder (minus Jinro, for obvious reasons).
Even if Haypro pulls off a Jinro and wows everyone that still doesn't justify an invite. Pre-MLG Dallas Jinro didn't justify an invite either. Even then, pre-MLG Jinro had accomplished more than Haypro by making it on ogs' A team; as far as I know haypro's been b-team material for the past year now. I'm not saying he's bad, I'm just saying that he's not in the same league with all the other invites. And it's disappointing that a lot of other more promising Zergs were passed over.
I got no problem with haypro getting invited, but I think it just would have looked better if TL at the start had just announced that all TL-players was going to play.
"If you asked the question who is the best Zerg player in the world' there is little doubt that the Answer would be NesTea."
i think it is supposed to be: I think there is little doubt that the answer WOULDNT be NesTea.
your tlpd's point towards his bw stats, which indeed are not impressive.
but look at his sc2 stats http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/players/29_NesTea or the sc2 ELO rank (http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/players/?tabulator_search=&auto_redirect=1), where he's far, far ahead of other zergs..
lol i cant believe you even responded to this guy haha
I was just pointing out what i thought to be a typo. -__- I was saying that you needed a correction to say "there is little doubt the answer wouldn't be NesTea" since he IS arguably the best zerg. As it stood it said there was "little doubt the answer would be Nestea"...meaning he wasn't the best zerg.
Haypro shouldn't have been invited >.<.... It would be cool if he could have qualified, cause I like him and root for him, but he's not nearly good enough to be an invite IMO. Neither is FruitDealer really... but FruitDealer is just such a badass that I like that invite anyways ;D I hope he improves and really does well in this tourny. GL HF all