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visit ocn for more pics Source: http://www.overclock.net/t/1231711/toms-geforce-gtx-680-review
On March 21 2012 01:01 clusen wrote:Here is the full review :p
Looks like GTX 680 have around 13.6% performance increase from the HD7970 across the 6 games benched, while running on less power consumption, noise and temperature.
Though does the 13% performance difference justify the nearly 4 months delay which literally messed up the price point of every ATI card out there.
Also note that GTX680 is ment to be a midrange GTX560TI/570 level card in the first place, It feel a bit shitty for them to rename it and slap on a $500~$550 price tag just because ATI went wild with their pricing for their mediocre high end cards.
Also some more interesting pics from MSI on their N680GTX-PM2D2GD5 http://www.overclock.net/t/1231667/tpu-msi-slips-out-some-geforce-gtx-680-marketing-material
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And that yeah, think the initial post missed a couple of them, kinda funny, Tom's hardware removed the pics from their private album now.
Still debating if i'm getting one of these or wait for gtx670, which could take a while, since they prob have to rebrand everything since their naming scheme changed quite a bit. Also the price of these cards is bound to go up in Hong Kong since thats what suppliers do in HK when theres demand and 28nm chips is said to be on low supply at the moment. : /
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now that these specs are out, its just a matter of time to see how the rest of the GPU market reacts to the new products in terms of price drops for older models and whatnot. i've got my fingers crossed that gtx570s go down in price over the next month or so so i can pick one or two up for my new build
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Benchmarks without pricing don't mean anything.
Teamliquid will always recommend hardware based on performance to the dollar, not power at any cost. We live in the real world afterall.
Hopefully after all of this is released and done nVidia will still be in the market. If anyone has noticed, it has been quite awhile since we have recommended any nVidia product outside of a 560ti and 560 ti w/448. To indifferent users anyway.
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WOW. The increase in performance per watt is astounding. And the low noise :O Does this mean I can actually get reference blower rear-exhaust models now - and it will be quiet???
Of course pricing affects everything but still I'm blown away by the performance/watt.
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Eh, essentially a tie with the 7970 at 2560x1600 resolution. Won some games, lost some games. Interesting that the 680 does better at lower resolutions. Wonder if that's the higher ram on the 7970 coming into play, or its something else. If that trend continues for multi-monitor gaming, enthusiasts might consider the 680 a loser vs 7970.
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Yeah it is nice to see nVidia be conscientious of power per watt.
Its a refreshing step from 4xx and 5xx where nVidia was just making monolithic power hungry devices.
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It will probably be priced according to its performance.
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I REALLY hope they will be of relatively normal prices finally.
However I have this feeling that this card will be like 650 dollars and we will see their high range cards reach the 1000s...
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On March 21 2012 01:18 nam nam wrote: It will probably be priced according to its performance.
That can go in several directions. Im personally wondering if their cards will finally be able to mine themselves out of a wet paper bag, but obviously I would never force that viewpoint upon anyone else.
nVidia's multi display support will be looked at anyway.
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On March 21 2012 01:20 Shikyo wrote: I REALLY hope they will be of relatively normal prices finally.
However I have this feeling that this card will be like 650 dollars and we will see their high range cards reach the 1000s...
Well OP says the 680 is a midrange card, so nVidia is planning on redefining the name scheme again?
Is the OP right here?
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On March 21 2012 01:22 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 01:20 Shikyo wrote: I REALLY hope they will be of relatively normal prices finally.
However I have this feeling that this card will be like 650 dollars and we will see their high range cards reach the 1000s... Well OP says the 680 is a midrange card, so nVidia is planning on redefining the name scheme again? Is the OP right here?
No, the GK104 was originally ment to be a midrange card, but because ATI failing so hard on the 79xx series and the delay on GK110 for nvidia, they rebranded the GK104 as the highend card of the 6xx series. (from what people gathered over the interweb anyway)
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They can call it a mid-range card if they want, but I'm guessing it's not going to cost $200-$250, lol.
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On March 21 2012 01:25 MisterFred wrote: They can call it a mid-range card if they want, but I'm guessing it's not going to cost $200-$250, lol. Where will they price their high-end cards then :/ In the 1000s like I'm predicting?
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Yeah I kinda figured that 7870 is where it was designed to be and the 7970 and particularly the 7950 are behind where AMD wanted them to be at. We might see more driver updates to boost the performance of those two cards.
At the moment the 7870 is waaaay too strong compared to 7950.
Also we need to see how these new nVidia cards overclock.
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Once 28nm yields become reasonable at TSMC or they just get enough production despite the yields, both AMD and Nvidia shouldn't be pretty much immediately selling out of every single graphics card as soon as the product becomes available. Then you can expect competition to reduce the prices.
Recently it's been the second-largest design from each generation that has the best price/performance and best gaming ability/power consumption and so on. All of them get rebadged with different drivers as the workstation cards, but the top design gets sold at very high profit margins maybe also for compute purposes.
For AMD, 7700 series is 123 mm^2 in size, 7800 series is 212 mm^2, 7900 series is 365 mm^2. Overclocked 7870 can easily beat 7950, as usual. Larger chips are more expensive to produce because there's literally more silicon, as well as higher probability that a chip is defective. You can fit more logic on a larger chip, so you would expect there to be more graphics and compute performance.
For Nvidia, the new GTX 680 is based on GK114, the upper-midrange design and successor to GTX 560 series and GTX 460 series (which were GF114 and GF104 respectively, compared to GF110 and GF100 for the flagships). GK114 is 294 mm^2. Upcoming higher-end models will be based on GK110. In recent history, Nvidia usually makes larger chips than AMD, so they have higher power consumption and usually have a bit better performance.
All of those sizes are smaller than the corresponding chips from the previous generation on 40 nm, so realistically when the process eventually matures (may be a year or so), you would think that prices for the new generation video cards should not be any higher than they are now for current stuff. RAM prices are maybe going slightly higher, but it's not like the PCB + RAM + VRMs + other logic + coolers are going to cost much more than they did before.
edit: so pretty much 7900 series is just getting exposed, both by Nvidia and by 7800 series. To those excited about GTX 680 performance per watt, check again at 7800 series performance per watt. The question is going to be availability and how good a potential GK106 might be (corresponding to GTX 550 Ti, GTS 450), since that should compete with 7800 series. Then prices on 7800 series and possible Nvidia competitors can be close to the $200 range people like to buy.
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Overclocked variants are selling for $580 so Fudzilla may not be far off with a MSRP of $500.
Looks like Nvidia butchered computing power.
Such a bias review, as expected from Toms.
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