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On July 10 2011 05:18 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 05:14 mahnini wrote:On July 10 2011 05:11 ZenGraffix wrote: I play with everything maxed, with the exception of indirect shadows. 1920x1080 Phenom II 4c 2.8ghz, Nvidia 460. 60frames+ all game long. The cpu never goes over 70%,
Double Check indirect shadows ... if that doesnt help right click your desktop and choose your Nvidia control panel "adjust image settings with preview" set it to let application decide.
Gl is this including large team fights? i don't think a gtx460 would have trouble with any settings at that res and a have a hard time believing a 2.8ghz phenom ii is maxing everything at a consistent 60fps+ Without scenarios, giving an FPS figure is pointless. I have an overclocked 2500k and GTX 460, its definitely not possible to get constant 60+.
Yup, used to run my phenom 550 dual core on 1920 and on stock 3.1 GHz. It rarely if ever dropped below 40 fps but no way you can get constant 60+ with a slower chip.
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Well if you're talking about 1v1 you shouldn't be lagging at all so I'm assuming team battles. Also it would help if you define lag, do you mean its like <10 fps or what.
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On July 10 2011 04:58 mahnini wrote: question for the 955 owners in this thread. how does it handle big team fights, let's say 150 supply 4v4? or 3v3? or 200/200 2v2?
i ve oced my 955 but 2on2 u can play same settings as 1on1, doesnt really matter, 4on4 is a different matter as it lags after certain supply rates
but i play only on ultra with some options on lowest (shadows/physics and effects on medium)
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On July 10 2011 04:58 mahnini wrote: question for the 955 owners in this thread. how does it handle big team fights, let's say 150 supply 4v4? or 3v3? or 200/200 2v2? I play a lot of 4v4 and 2v2. Never an issue at all. I have had 4v4 200+200+200+50 on 150+200+200+100 (ish) battles with no issues.
@OP: Is your harddrive full? And the fact that your cpu hits 70% is strange, mine doesnt even hit 30%.
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I'm talking about 1vs1 big battles. I stated in the OP what kind of battles I'm talking about, and the supply amount.
The CPU only spiked up to 70% like once. It usually hovers around 40%. This was with the replay going a 4X speed, which is obviously more taxing than playing at faster speed. The HDD is nowhere close to full at all. Only C drive is close to full. I defrag and do virus and antispyware scan every week using Disk Defragmenter, Kaspersky Internet Security, and SuperAntiSpyware.
Here is the SS of my settings. I didn't play yesterday and I won't be playing today as well as I'm going out in the afternoon, unless something happens like they dip or whatever.
Games are only unplayabe when they drop below 30FPS, which is the kind of lag I'm talking about. Mouse lag, I can easily fix with a new mouse. Already got a Razer DeathAdder sitting here. Just not opening it yet because I'm hoping for something to go on sale on Wednesday at NCIX. Also waiting for the new Cooler Master Sentinel mouse.
Now that I think about it, if I only lag in games but not in replays, could it be a mouse lag and not the CPU/GPU be causing the lag?
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On July 10 2011 13:54 geokilla wrote: Now that I think about it, if I only lag in games but not in replays, could it be a mouse lag and not the CPU/GPU be causing the lag? that's quite the detail there. now i just think it's your internet connection.
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There's really a lack of clarity of what "lag" actually is in this case.
Is it a delay of unit response times? > internet Is it the feeling of sluggishness? > input delay Just low frames? > CPU/GPU not functioning as it should.
OP never tried lowering settings and coming back with some feedback...
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On July 10 2011 13:54 geokilla wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'm talking about 1vs1 big battles. I stated in the OP what kind of battles I'm talking about, and the supply amount. The CPU only spiked up to 70% like once. It usually hovers around 40%. This was with the replay going a 4X speed, which is obviously more taxing than playing at faster speed. The HDD is nowhere close to full at all. Only C drive is close to full. I defrag and do virus and antispyware scan every week using Disk Defragmenter, Kaspersky Internet Security, and SuperAntiSpyware. Here is the SS of my settings. I didn't play yesterday and I won't be playing today as well as I'm going out in the afternoon, unless something happens like they dip or whatever. Games are only unplayabe when they drop below 30FPS, which is the kind of lag I'm talking about. Mouse lag, I can easily fix with a new mouse. Already got a Razer DeathAdder sitting here. Just not opening it yet because I'm hoping for something to go on sale on Wednesday at NCIX. Also waiting for the new Cooler Master Sentinel mouse. Now that I think about it, if I only lag in games but not in replays, could it be a mouse lag and not the CPU/GPU be causing the lag?
The obvious solution is to turn down the quality settings for everything that doesn't matter (3D portraits, shadow, lighting, etc) and see if anything changes dramatically.
Why haven't you tried this. If you've tried turning it down and it still suffers greatly from the same problem, we can perhaps closer determine the problem instead of having a circlejerk about bottlenecks and system specs. Hell, have you checked whether or not you are forcing anti-aliasing through the nVidia drivers?
Troubleshooting is easy. All you do is attempt to isolate the problem. If you don't try isolating the problem, it can be a million possible problems with a billion possible solutions - don't they teach this in K-12 science classes?
Moderators seriously have to try and force people to stop being vague and putting little effort into solving their problems. Even people saying "build me a system" put so little effort into their posting - the i3/i5 Sandy Bridge builds have been repeated ad nauseum, if you've read the last 10 pages of the Computer Hardware thread you can build a decent machine for close to the lowest price - that I'm surprised other people still try and help them come up with a system. If they're building their own computer, they need to be able to stand on their own two feet and solve basic problems themselves.
There is a sticky on the top of the thread yet only 5% of people seem to bother reading it.
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Your system speccs should not be the problem in my opinion. Your CPU is more then fine, I have a Phenom II X4 965 and never experience any sort of lag in SC II, I cant talk about your graphics card because I am not familiar with it and I want to talk out of experience and not some bullshit test I pulled out of the interwebs. If I was a mod I would ban everyone saying this CPU is the reason for laggs with SCII because this is just stuipidity. Of course Intel is ahead but this AMD Processor is more then capable of handling SC II.
Problems you could have are:
*) overheating (check your cpu and gpu temperature while running SC II with laggs) which I dont find very likely
*) unnecessary background prgograms, disable your antivirus tools and that antimalware tool and other things; you can use programs like Ccleancer toclean up unnecessary files and inspect the windows autostart and clean it up.
*) virus or malware; update your software do system checks; reinstall if you think this is the problem
)* old/bad drivers remove drivers with special tools and reinstall them;
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Do people not read? I said I can't play this weekend. If I can't play, how can I turn down the settings?
Yes I use CCleaner and yes I have the semi latest drivers. The latest drivers break Folding@Home.
And yes I obviously tried turning down the detail a bit before posting.
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On July 10 2011 23:02 geokilla wrote: Do people not read? I said I can't play this weekend. If I can't play, how can I turn down the settings?
Yes I use CCleaner and yes I have the semi latest drivers. The latest drivers break Folding@Home.
And yes I obviously tried turning down the detail a bit before posting.
No, they don't. But that's ok, because people don't put enough detail into their posts for reading to matter anyways.
Also, suggestion: Don't be hostile while asking for help, everybody here is a volunteer.
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not true, i actually get paid to look at every post in the tech forum, its for my eye condition
on a sidenote, physics and effects turned off / low can help with framerates, same as 3d portrait (useless anyway) from my own experience
sometimes it helps to delete the whole documents/starcraft II file, my buddy had "stutters" which went away after that (dont know why) ~
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On July 10 2011 23:02 geokilla wrote: Do people not read? I said I can't play this weekend. If I can't play, how can I turn down the settings?
Yes I use CCleaner and yes I have the semi latest drivers. The latest drivers break Folding@Home.
And yes I obviously tried turning down the detail a bit before posting.
I don't care if you can't play this weekend, do it when you get home and verify/state everything obvious. The only reason the bottleneck "derail" came up is because you've mentioned so little.
So how did turning the settings (turn down CPU heavy settings first, then GPU heavy settings second, I'm assuming you did this?) down help you? I'm convinced that your CPU/GPU combo cannot handle late game Starcraft 2 with those processing settings - after all the Phenom II is just a beefed up Core2Duo and the GPU, while good, probably takes a huge hit from 3D portraits and shiny effects that pop up from late game units (normally protoss).
Heck have you checked nVidia's control panel (Forceware?) and verified if you're forcing anti-aliasing and other post-processing features in Starcraft 2? Even if your resolution is so low, if you're forcing anti-aliasing and those quality settings, no wonder your system is struggling.
The other people mentioned that your might be having internet problems. If you've tried the other stuff and posted the exact detailed results, we can cross hardware being the problem off and move onto different areas.
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On July 09 2011 09:59 rXs wrote:this might be it... DDR3 1333 or 1600 is the standard now... or you could just reduce your settings? If you think having better graphics is better than not lagging then maybe you need an upgrade. I ran SC2 at ultra with a 3-core, 4gb ddr2 ram and a 5850. The RAM is not the issue. It seams as if something here is not working as it should. I need to ask just for sure. You really got the graphics drivers? Is the CPU being detected properly? Something is not working as it should here.
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havent really seen you posted anything like this, but someone asked it, what kind of lag do you have? is it like very low fps all the time? is it very low fps sometimes, but sometimes good fps? is it a stutter? we need to know! cause if its only when you play online it might be youre internet, if game get slike theese hangs when it stops for about .5 seconds and you loose control it might be realted to a soundcard issue, as one guy had it, he changed the sound card and there were no more hangs, and that build should have no problem at all! maybe its just heat? what kind of cooler youre using? and what tempretures you get on idle and on full load?
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It's a stutter kind of lag during the big battles. Otherwise, high FPS and everything is silky smooth.
I don't have any Internet problems. I can stream (rarely do) and play SC2 just fine during non-peak hours. I may get a bit of stream lag, but that's reasonable considering I have only 1mbps upload. Reason I say non-peak is because during peak hours, that's when our crappy Rogers crumbles and everything turns to crap. I only play SC2 during non-peak hours right now, like weekend and mornings and afternoons.
As you guys requested, I checked and can verify that I am not forcing AA or anything like that. Yes the CPU and GPU are being used correctly. If it isn't, Folding@Home would be running slow as hell. I freaked out and spent days troubleshooting the last time Folding@Home didn't run properly.
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Yeah, it's probably just your CPU. It won't be used at 100% all the time, but big battles can cause a power draw for a brief moment.
Even with an i5 750, I'll get stutters sometimes in big phantom battles.
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Well, your best bet, since you said it doesn't reproduce in replays, is to use like the Unit test map, and use it to get a huge, relatively reproducible battle going on. (I'm thinking like max supply zerglings A-moved into max supply zealots.)
Monitor your FPS with CPU settings where they normally are, and then do it again with CPU settings set to minimum. If your framerate noticeably improves, it's your CPU. If it doesn't, we'll just have to keep working at it.
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to max the ressources sc2 draws, storm/colossi fire and all lasers and stuff use a LOT, so try and micro a toss army vs a maxed out other toss a cliking to use the most
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