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Season 3
Blues can no longer play SC2.
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On July 15 2011 19:03 Snowbear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 18:48 haffy wrote:On July 15 2011 17:38 DooMDash wrote:On July 15 2011 16:56 TENTHST wrote:2 base terran vs 4 base zerg 126 apm terran vs 137 apm zerg 98 food terran vs 115 food zerg terran wins. So? I have higher APM than white-ra and lzgamer but they would still beat the crap out of me. My Z apm is also 150, it has to do with the fact that everything moves at 100 mph you automatically will have higher APM. Also it's extremely common for Terran to be down in supply, even at pro level. Terran can't possibly compete with Zerg macro, they are about position, abuse, and maximizing efficiency ( with micro and said position ). I love how your post completely ignores all logic beyond supply and apm. And that guy had terrible spire position, not my fault I took advantage of his huge mistake. He could have had it a million safe places. I don't put my tech lab researching stim unprotected and say muta are imba because I put it some where stupid, but seems like most Z's do. Zerg entitlement is out of control... thanks idra. Do you honestly think Zerg wouldn't complain about badly designed maps if Idra wasn't Zerg? Do you see terrans complaining about taladar? Do you see terrans complaining about the almost unbeatable infestor + broodlord composition? Do you see terrans complaining that they have to micro excellent to be able to stand a chance while the zerg can just 1a? It's a fact that 90% of the zergs just complain whole the time. I got 6 zerg practice partners and 5 of them are very bm whiners who blame their losses on imbalance. I honestly think that this "zerg is so UP" trend is idra's fault.
But terran can you obliterate infestor/broodlord with ghosts. Like, 4 terrans use that composition and if they handle it properly they obliterate the composition. It's not the zergs fault terrans havn't ever used ghosts while they are fucking insane and always have been... (I mean, look at PuMa's TvP, you could do that with 150/150 ghosts too...).
While zergs just could really not do anything against things like 50 damage tanks or 5 rax reaper without doing some really economical harming defense, and ZvP was just really hard with old infestors.
You can't just say that people follow IdrA either, simply because Fruitdealer was going insane on playxp.com about how shit zerg was back in 2010, Nestea still whines a bit about balance in his interviews, LosirA is also kinda meh on it, and those last 2 are the best zerg in the world currently.
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On July 15 2011 23:47 lofung wrote: Season 3
Blues can no longer play SC2.
Didn't they stop playing since Cataclysm came out?
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I don't like using ghost in tvt or tvz for just the sake of using snipe. That skill just takes too much of my apm to focus on that I could be using to control my units to get better position or on macro. It just gives me the uneasy feeling not being able to control your units to get the most out of them, while trying to snipe broodlords.
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Has anyone noticed that you can't shift+ Add units to control groups 1 or 2? I can do it with the other numbers but not 1 and 2. Hmmmmm
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On July 15 2011 19:03 Snowbear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 18:48 haffy wrote:On July 15 2011 17:38 DooMDash wrote:On July 15 2011 16:56 TENTHST wrote:2 base terran vs 4 base zerg 126 apm terran vs 137 apm zerg 98 food terran vs 115 food zerg terran wins. So? I have higher APM than white-ra and lzgamer but they would still beat the crap out of me. My Z apm is also 150, it has to do with the fact that everything moves at 100 mph you automatically will have higher APM. Also it's extremely common for Terran to be down in supply, even at pro level. Terran can't possibly compete with Zerg macro, they are about position, abuse, and maximizing efficiency ( with micro and said position ). I love how your post completely ignores all logic beyond supply and apm. And that guy had terrible spire position, not my fault I took advantage of his huge mistake. He could have had it a million safe places. I don't put my tech lab researching stim unprotected and say muta are imba because I put it some where stupid, but seems like most Z's do. Zerg entitlement is out of control... thanks idra. Do you honestly think Zerg wouldn't complain about badly designed maps if Idra wasn't Zerg? Do you see terrans complaining about taladar? Do you see terrans complaining about the almost unbeatable infestor + broodlord composition? Do you see terrans complaining that they have to micro excellent to be able to stand a chance while the zerg can just 1a? It's a fact that 90% of the zergs just complain whole the time. I got 6 zerg practice partners and 5 of them are very bm whiners who blame their losses on imbalance. I honestly think that this "zerg is so UP" trend is idra's fault.
thats not true. over on the bnet forums there is a huge ammount of QQ about infestors from both terran and toss. in game i get massive ammounts of QQ for using fungal even tho terrans have ghosts and emp to deal with infestors.
also its a fact that 98% of statistics on the internet is made up on the spot. like yours for example. well guess what bro, just because you have 6 zerg practice partners and 5 of them are BM whiners dont magically account them as 90% of zerg players that play this game.
and no its not idras fault. idra was a whiner in BW and he didnt play zerg.
also, infestor broodlord is not unbeatable. ghost for sniping and emp beats it and ravens hunter seeker missles utterly destroy broods. terrans just have yet to experiment with ravens and ghosts more effectively
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Anyone else has this problem where PTR tells you that your login info is incorrect? The PTR version is 1.3.5 and I have it enabled on my US account.
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Now many of you have seen the pictures posted about the current hotspots thread, well I took those pictures and I've been doing my best to find every exploit I can think of and try them out on PTR. Now I am Terran, and I am biased, but I think the only actual problems now are close spawns on these maps. I think that they should either be cross or just like Shakuras plateau in spawn spots.
Getting to those spots cross position would be very very difficult, but as it is now close spawns like North South on the same side on Testmap3 are too good for T.
How do you Zergs feel about that?
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On July 16 2011 02:45 Dimenus wrote: Has anyone noticed that you can't shift+ Add units to control groups 1 or 2? I can do it with the other numbers but not 1 and 2. Hmmmmm
Check your key bindings?
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How do you Zergs feel about that?
That would solve a LOT. The problem with most of the spots was not "i dont want to run up there" but "i cant run up there because i will have to run straight through his natural to get there"
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On July 16 2011 22:07 Charon1979 wrote:That would solve a LOT. The problem with most of the spots was not "i dont want to run up there" but "i cant run up there because i will have to run straight through his natural to get there" Well I posted in PTR section as a Terran player I think the close spawns should be gone on these maps, then honestlY i think they would all be fine.
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On July 16 2011 11:31 Ballistixz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 19:03 Snowbear wrote:On July 15 2011 18:48 haffy wrote:On July 15 2011 17:38 DooMDash wrote:On July 15 2011 16:56 TENTHST wrote:2 base terran vs 4 base zerg 126 apm terran vs 137 apm zerg 98 food terran vs 115 food zerg terran wins. So? I have higher APM than white-ra and lzgamer but they would still beat the crap out of me. My Z apm is also 150, it has to do with the fact that everything moves at 100 mph you automatically will have higher APM. Also it's extremely common for Terran to be down in supply, even at pro level. Terran can't possibly compete with Zerg macro, they are about position, abuse, and maximizing efficiency ( with micro and said position ). I love how your post completely ignores all logic beyond supply and apm. And that guy had terrible spire position, not my fault I took advantage of his huge mistake. He could have had it a million safe places. I don't put my tech lab researching stim unprotected and say muta are imba because I put it some where stupid, but seems like most Z's do. Zerg entitlement is out of control... thanks idra. Do you honestly think Zerg wouldn't complain about badly designed maps if Idra wasn't Zerg? Do you see terrans complaining about taladar? Do you see terrans complaining about the almost unbeatable infestor + broodlord composition? Do you see terrans complaining that they have to micro excellent to be able to stand a chance while the zerg can just 1a? It's a fact that 90% of the zergs just complain whole the time. I got 6 zerg practice partners and 5 of them are very bm whiners who blame their losses on imbalance. I honestly think that this "zerg is so UP" trend is idra's fault. thats not true. over on the bnet forums there is a huge ammount of QQ about infestors from both terran and toss. in game i get massive ammounts of QQ for using fungal even tho terrans have ghosts and emp to deal with infestors. also its a fact that 98% of statistics on the internet is made up on the spot. like yours for example. well guess what bro, just because you have 6 zerg practice partners and 5 of them are BM whiners dont magically account them as 90% of zerg players that play this game. and no its not idras fault. idra was a whiner in BW and he didnt play zerg. also, infestor broodlord is not unbeatable. ghost for sniping and emp beats it and ravens hunter seeker missles utterly destroy broods. terrans just have yet to experiment with ravens and ghosts more effectively
People sometimes should really stay silent if they have no idea about high-level play of SC2. Ghosts are far from destroying Infestor/Broodlords combo and to try Hunter seeker missles against Broodlords while there are infestors with NP of range 9 ? lol.
EDIT: People should stop making silly excuses such as: "Terran is not utilizing Ravens/BC/X Unit therefore they are doing so bad against Broodlords/Infestor combo". There is a reason why you never see those units in high-level of play, so why do you think you came up with a genius strategy in your gold league ?...
About ghosts, most of the Terrans are already using them with not such a great success against Infestor/Broodlord.
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What's with the scII-1 and scII-2 account?
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On July 16 2011 22:18 brachester wrote: What's with the scII-1 and scII-2 account?
u get 2 ptr accounts for each account u have
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On July 16 2011 22:17 Huragius wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 11:31 Ballistixz wrote:On July 15 2011 19:03 Snowbear wrote:On July 15 2011 18:48 haffy wrote:On July 15 2011 17:38 DooMDash wrote:On July 15 2011 16:56 TENTHST wrote:2 base terran vs 4 base zerg 126 apm terran vs 137 apm zerg 98 food terran vs 115 food zerg terran wins. So? I have higher APM than white-ra and lzgamer but they would still beat the crap out of me. My Z apm is also 150, it has to do with the fact that everything moves at 100 mph you automatically will have higher APM. Also it's extremely common for Terran to be down in supply, even at pro level. Terran can't possibly compete with Zerg macro, they are about position, abuse, and maximizing efficiency ( with micro and said position ). I love how your post completely ignores all logic beyond supply and apm. And that guy had terrible spire position, not my fault I took advantage of his huge mistake. He could have had it a million safe places. I don't put my tech lab researching stim unprotected and say muta are imba because I put it some where stupid, but seems like most Z's do. Zerg entitlement is out of control... thanks idra. Do you honestly think Zerg wouldn't complain about badly designed maps if Idra wasn't Zerg? Do you see terrans complaining about taladar? Do you see terrans complaining about the almost unbeatable infestor + broodlord composition? Do you see terrans complaining that they have to micro excellent to be able to stand a chance while the zerg can just 1a? It's a fact that 90% of the zergs just complain whole the time. I got 6 zerg practice partners and 5 of them are very bm whiners who blame their losses on imbalance. I honestly think that this "zerg is so UP" trend is idra's fault. thats not true. over on the bnet forums there is a huge ammount of QQ about infestors from both terran and toss. in game i get massive ammounts of QQ for using fungal even tho terrans have ghosts and emp to deal with infestors. also its a fact that 98% of statistics on the internet is made up on the spot. like yours for example. well guess what bro, just because you have 6 zerg practice partners and 5 of them are BM whiners dont magically account them as 90% of zerg players that play this game. and no its not idras fault. idra was a whiner in BW and he didnt play zerg. also, infestor broodlord is not unbeatable. ghost for sniping and emp beats it and ravens hunter seeker missles utterly destroy broods. terrans just have yet to experiment with ravens and ghosts more effectively People sometimes should really stay silent if they have no idea about high-level play of SC2. Ghosts are far from destroying Infestor/Broodlords combo and to try Hunter seeker missles against Broodlords while there is infestors with NP of range 9 ? lol.
How do you know what ravens and ghosts play like at high level play? The only person I've seen use ghosts as a main part of their army was BratOK in a match against Darkforce.
Also I've not seen ravens even used against this composition, so how do you know it wouldn't be good? PDD kills broodlings before they hit the ground. And hunter seeker missle might actually be good, but I've not seen it used.
So really your just as ignorant to these strategy's as everyone else, except your just giving one to why this wouldn't work. And if the only disadvantage this strategy has is NP is range 9, it isn't a very good reason. Considering EMP snipe and tanks.
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On July 16 2011 22:27 haffy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 22:17 Huragius wrote:On July 16 2011 11:31 Ballistixz wrote:On July 15 2011 19:03 Snowbear wrote:On July 15 2011 18:48 haffy wrote:On July 15 2011 17:38 DooMDash wrote:On July 15 2011 16:56 TENTHST wrote:2 base terran vs 4 base zerg 126 apm terran vs 137 apm zerg 98 food terran vs 115 food zerg terran wins. So? I have higher APM than white-ra and lzgamer but they would still beat the crap out of me. My Z apm is also 150, it has to do with the fact that everything moves at 100 mph you automatically will have higher APM. Also it's extremely common for Terran to be down in supply, even at pro level. Terran can't possibly compete with Zerg macro, they are about position, abuse, and maximizing efficiency ( with micro and said position ). I love how your post completely ignores all logic beyond supply and apm. And that guy had terrible spire position, not my fault I took advantage of his huge mistake. He could have had it a million safe places. I don't put my tech lab researching stim unprotected and say muta are imba because I put it some where stupid, but seems like most Z's do. Zerg entitlement is out of control... thanks idra. Do you honestly think Zerg wouldn't complain about badly designed maps if Idra wasn't Zerg? Do you see terrans complaining about taladar? Do you see terrans complaining about the almost unbeatable infestor + broodlord composition? Do you see terrans complaining that they have to micro excellent to be able to stand a chance while the zerg can just 1a? It's a fact that 90% of the zergs just complain whole the time. I got 6 zerg practice partners and 5 of them are very bm whiners who blame their losses on imbalance. I honestly think that this "zerg is so UP" trend is idra's fault. thats not true. over on the bnet forums there is a huge ammount of QQ about infestors from both terran and toss. in game i get massive ammounts of QQ for using fungal even tho terrans have ghosts and emp to deal with infestors. also its a fact that 98% of statistics on the internet is made up on the spot. like yours for example. well guess what bro, just because you have 6 zerg practice partners and 5 of them are BM whiners dont magically account them as 90% of zerg players that play this game. and no its not idras fault. idra was a whiner in BW and he didnt play zerg. also, infestor broodlord is not unbeatable. ghost for sniping and emp beats it and ravens hunter seeker missles utterly destroy broods. terrans just have yet to experiment with ravens and ghosts more effectively People sometimes should really stay silent if they have no idea about high-level play of SC2. Ghosts are far from destroying Infestor/Broodlords combo and to try Hunter seeker missles against Broodlords while there is infestors with NP of range 9 ? lol. How do you know what ravens and ghosts play like at high level play? The only person I've seen use ghosts as a main part of their army was BratOK in a match against Darkforce. Also I've not seen ravens even used against this composition, so how do you know it wouldn't be good? PDD kills broodlings before they hit the ground. And hunter seeker missle might actually be good, but I've not seen it used. So really your just as ignorant to these strategy's as everyone else, except your just giving one to why this wouldn't work. And if the only disadvantage this strategy has is NP is range 9, it isn't a very good reason. Considering EMP snipe and tanks.
Try to read more carefully next time. Did I told something about Ghost being bad at high-level of play ? No. I said that they don't "utterly destroy" this combo. And if you saw only Brat_Ok using ghost vs Zerg as main part of Terran army, then ffs, start following sc2 scene before making silly comments about how Terran doesn't utilize ghosts vs zerg.
And please, stfu with you theory crafting when you have completely no idea how TvZ is played late game, in fact, you are even bad at theory crafting. Do you know how much gas Ravens costs ? Do you know what number of infestors will zerg have by the time you will have Ravens ? Do you know how long does it take to produce Raven? Do you know how slow is HSM ? In the end, he will either fungal your Ravens to death or will use them to blow you apart with your own units.
Zerg can get infestor/broodlords from four bases if he goes fast for it. Terran is almost always one base behind, so you are saying that Terran should go Ravens/Ghosts/Tanks/Vikings/Thors/Medivacs/Marines from three bases ? Yeah, I'm being ignorant.
You have no idea how much time people spent experimenting with Ravens, trying to find their place at the game and you just call them ignorant, because they refuse to use them anymore. I like how people tries to theory craft while they are not even capable of doing that.
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On July 16 2011 22:27 haffy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 22:17 Huragius wrote:On July 16 2011 11:31 Ballistixz wrote:On July 15 2011 19:03 Snowbear wrote:On July 15 2011 18:48 haffy wrote:On July 15 2011 17:38 DooMDash wrote:On July 15 2011 16:56 TENTHST wrote:2 base terran vs 4 base zerg 126 apm terran vs 137 apm zerg 98 food terran vs 115 food zerg terran wins. So? I have higher APM than white-ra and lzgamer but they would still beat the crap out of me. My Z apm is also 150, it has to do with the fact that everything moves at 100 mph you automatically will have higher APM. Also it's extremely common for Terran to be down in supply, even at pro level. Terran can't possibly compete with Zerg macro, they are about position, abuse, and maximizing efficiency ( with micro and said position ). I love how your post completely ignores all logic beyond supply and apm. And that guy had terrible spire position, not my fault I took advantage of his huge mistake. He could have had it a million safe places. I don't put my tech lab researching stim unprotected and say muta are imba because I put it some where stupid, but seems like most Z's do. Zerg entitlement is out of control... thanks idra. Do you honestly think Zerg wouldn't complain about badly designed maps if Idra wasn't Zerg? Do you see terrans complaining about taladar? Do you see terrans complaining about the almost unbeatable infestor + broodlord composition? Do you see terrans complaining that they have to micro excellent to be able to stand a chance while the zerg can just 1a? It's a fact that 90% of the zergs just complain whole the time. I got 6 zerg practice partners and 5 of them are very bm whiners who blame their losses on imbalance. I honestly think that this "zerg is so UP" trend is idra's fault. thats not true. over on the bnet forums there is a huge ammount of QQ about infestors from both terran and toss. in game i get massive ammounts of QQ for using fungal even tho terrans have ghosts and emp to deal with infestors. also its a fact that 98% of statistics on the internet is made up on the spot. like yours for example. well guess what bro, just because you have 6 zerg practice partners and 5 of them are BM whiners dont magically account them as 90% of zerg players that play this game. and no its not idras fault. idra was a whiner in BW and he didnt play zerg. also, infestor broodlord is not unbeatable. ghost for sniping and emp beats it and ravens hunter seeker missles utterly destroy broods. terrans just have yet to experiment with ravens and ghosts more effectively People sometimes should really stay silent if they have no idea about high-level play of SC2. Ghosts are far from destroying Infestor/Broodlords combo and to try Hunter seeker missles against Broodlords while there is infestors with NP of range 9 ? lol. How do you know what ravens and ghosts play like at high level play? The only person I've seen use ghosts as a main part of their army was BratOK in a match against Darkforce. Also I've not seen ravens even used against this composition, so how do you know it wouldn't be good? PDD kills broodlings before they hit the ground. And hunter seeker missle might actually be good, but I've not seen it used. So really your just as ignorant to these strategy's as everyone else, except your just giving one to why this wouldn't work. And if the only disadvantage this strategy has is NP is range 9, it isn't a very good reason. Considering EMP snipe and tanks.
PDD vs broodlings was patched, hunter seeker missile has a range of 6 and is ridiculously expensive. The problem with ghosts is that you need a shitton of them, because at best you can hit 3 infestors to drain them mana. And 1 shot drains 100 mana, so you have to hit like 20 emps, there's not much left for sniping action. Just pointing out the difficulties, not saying it's imbalanced or anything.
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On July 16 2011 22:17 Huragius wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 11:31 Ballistixz wrote:On July 15 2011 19:03 Snowbear wrote:On July 15 2011 18:48 haffy wrote:On July 15 2011 17:38 DooMDash wrote:On July 15 2011 16:56 TENTHST wrote:2 base terran vs 4 base zerg 126 apm terran vs 137 apm zerg 98 food terran vs 115 food zerg terran wins. So? I have higher APM than white-ra and lzgamer but they would still beat the crap out of me. My Z apm is also 150, it has to do with the fact that everything moves at 100 mph you automatically will have higher apm. Also it's extremely common for Terran to be down in supply, even at pro level. Terran can't possibly compete with Zerg macro, they are about position, abuse, and maximizing efficiency ( with micro and said position ). I love how your post completely ignores all logic beyond supply and apm. And that guy had terrible spire position, not my fault I took advantage of his huge mistake. He could have had it a million safe places. I don't put my tech lab researching stim unprotected and say muta are imba because I put it some where stupid, but seems like most Z's do. Zerg entitlement is out of control... thanks idra. Do you honestly think Zerg wouldn't complain about badly designed maps if Idra wasn't Zerg? Do you see terrans complaining about taladar? Do you see terrans complaining about the almost unbeatable infestor + broodlord composition? Do you see terrans complaining that they have to micro excellent to be able to stand a chance while the zerg can just 1a? It's a fact that 90% of the zergs just complain whole the time. I got 6 zerg practice partners and 5 of them are very bm whiners who blame their losses on imbalance. I honestly think that this "zerg is so UP" trend is idra's fault. thats not true. over on the bnet forums there is a huge ammount of QQ about infestors from both terran and toss. in game i get massive ammounts of QQ for using fungal even tho terrans have ghosts and emp to deal with infestors. also its a fact that 98% of statistics on the internet is made up on the spot. like yours for example. well guess what bro, just because you have 6 zerg practice partners and 5 of them are BM whiners dont magically account them as 90% of zerg players that play this game. and no its not idras fault. idra was a whiner in BW and he didnt play zerg. also, infestor broodlord is not unbeatable. ghost for sniping and emp beats it and ravens hunter seeker missles utterly destroy broods. terrans just have yet to experiment with ravens and ghosts more effectively People sometimes should really stay silent if they have no idea about high-level play of SC2. Ghosts are far from destroying Infestor/Broodlords combo and to try Hunter seeker missles against Broodlords while there are infestors with NP of range 9 ? lol. EDIT: People should stop making silly excuses such as: "Terran is not utilizing Ravens/BC/X Unit therefore they are doing so bad against Broodlords/Infestor combo". There is a reason why you never see those units in high-level of play, so why do you think you came up with a genius strategy in your gold league ?... About ghosts, most of the Terrans are already using them with not such a great success against Infestor/Broodlord. Remember that's exactly what people said about infestors too. I have yet to see a game where ghost are not extremely effective/gamewinning. You should probably start trying out some new things instead of crying imba.
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On July 16 2011 23:05 Strike_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 22:17 Huragius wrote:On July 16 2011 11:31 Ballistixz wrote:On July 15 2011 19:03 Snowbear wrote:On July 15 2011 18:48 haffy wrote:On July 15 2011 17:38 DooMDash wrote:On July 15 2011 16:56 TENTHST wrote:2 base terran vs 4 base zerg 126 apm terran vs 137 apm zerg 98 food terran vs 115 food zerg terran wins. So? I have higher APM than white-ra and lzgamer but they would still beat the crap out of me. My Z apm is also 150, it has to do with the fact that everything moves at 100 mph you automatically will have higher apm. Also it's extremely common for Terran to be down in supply, even at pro level. Terran can't possibly compete with Zerg macro, they are about position, abuse, and maximizing efficiency ( with micro and said position ). I love how your post completely ignores all logic beyond supply and apm. And that guy had terrible spire position, not my fault I took advantage of his huge mistake. He could have had it a million safe places. I don't put my tech lab researching stim unprotected and say muta are imba because I put it some where stupid, but seems like most Z's do. Zerg entitlement is out of control... thanks idra. Do you honestly think Zerg wouldn't complain about badly designed maps if Idra wasn't Zerg? Do you see terrans complaining about taladar? Do you see terrans complaining about the almost unbeatable infestor + broodlord composition? Do you see terrans complaining that they have to micro excellent to be able to stand a chance while the zerg can just 1a? It's a fact that 90% of the zergs just complain whole the time. I got 6 zerg practice partners and 5 of them are very bm whiners who blame their losses on imbalance. I honestly think that this "zerg is so UP" trend is idra's fault. thats not true. over on the bnet forums there is a huge ammount of QQ about infestors from both terran and toss. in game i get massive ammounts of QQ for using fungal even tho terrans have ghosts and emp to deal with infestors. also its a fact that 98% of statistics on the internet is made up on the spot. like yours for example. well guess what bro, just because you have 6 zerg practice partners and 5 of them are BM whiners dont magically account them as 90% of zerg players that play this game. and no its not idras fault. idra was a whiner in BW and he didnt play zerg. also, infestor broodlord is not unbeatable. ghost for sniping and emp beats it and ravens hunter seeker missles utterly destroy broods. terrans just have yet to experiment with ravens and ghosts more effectively People sometimes should really stay silent if they have no idea about high-level play of SC2. Ghosts are far from destroying Infestor/Broodlords combo and to try Hunter seeker missles against Broodlords while there are infestors with NP of range 9 ? lol. EDIT: People should stop making silly excuses such as: "Terran is not utilizing Ravens/BC/X Unit therefore they are doing so bad against Broodlords/Infestor combo". There is a reason why you never see those units in high-level of play, so why do you think you came up with a genius strategy in your gold league ?... About ghosts, most of the Terrans are already using them with not such a great success against Infestor/Broodlord. Remember that's exactly what people said about infestors too. I have yet to see a game where ghost are not extremely effective/gamewinning.You should probably start trying out some new things instead of crying imba.
Lol, I knew someone will bring-up this retarded example again. Buddy, zergs started to use infestors after they got buffed as hell, not because zergs evolved their metagame lol. Amd I'm pretty sure you saw games where Ghosts were extremely cost effective and game winning alone, I'm sure you did.
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On July 16 2011 23:05 Strike_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 22:17 Huragius wrote:On July 16 2011 11:31 Ballistixz wrote:On July 15 2011 19:03 Snowbear wrote:On July 15 2011 18:48 haffy wrote:On July 15 2011 17:38 DooMDash wrote:On July 15 2011 16:56 TENTHST wrote:2 base terran vs 4 base zerg 126 apm terran vs 137 apm zerg 98 food terran vs 115 food zerg terran wins. So? I have higher APM than white-ra and lzgamer but they would still beat the crap out of me. My Z apm is also 150, it has to do with the fact that everything moves at 100 mph you automatically will have higher apm. Also it's extremely common for Terran to be down in supply, even at pro level. Terran can't possibly compete with Zerg macro, they are about position, abuse, and maximizing efficiency ( with micro and said position ). I love how your post completely ignores all logic beyond supply and apm. And that guy had terrible spire position, not my fault I took advantage of his huge mistake. He could have had it a million safe places. I don't put my tech lab researching stim unprotected and say muta are imba because I put it some where stupid, but seems like most Z's do. Zerg entitlement is out of control... thanks idra. Do you honestly think Zerg wouldn't complain about badly designed maps if Idra wasn't Zerg? Do you see terrans complaining about taladar? Do you see terrans complaining about the almost unbeatable infestor + broodlord composition? Do you see terrans complaining that they have to micro excellent to be able to stand a chance while the zerg can just 1a? It's a fact that 90% of the zergs just complain whole the time. I got 6 zerg practice partners and 5 of them are very bm whiners who blame their losses on imbalance. I honestly think that this "zerg is so UP" trend is idra's fault. thats not true. over on the bnet forums there is a huge ammount of QQ about infestors from both terran and toss. in game i get massive ammounts of QQ for using fungal even tho terrans have ghosts and emp to deal with infestors. also its a fact that 98% of statistics on the internet is made up on the spot. like yours for example. well guess what bro, just because you have 6 zerg practice partners and 5 of them are BM whiners dont magically account them as 90% of zerg players that play this game. and no its not idras fault. idra was a whiner in BW and he didnt play zerg. also, infestor broodlord is not unbeatable. ghost for sniping and emp beats it and ravens hunter seeker missles utterly destroy broods. terrans just have yet to experiment with ravens and ghosts more effectively People sometimes should really stay silent if they have no idea about high-level play of SC2. Ghosts are far from destroying Infestor/Broodlords combo and to try Hunter seeker missles against Broodlords while there are infestors with NP of range 9 ? lol. EDIT: People should stop making silly excuses such as: "Terran is not utilizing Ravens/BC/X Unit therefore they are doing so bad against Broodlords/Infestor combo". There is a reason why you never see those units in high-level of play, so why do you think you came up with a genius strategy in your gold league ?... About ghosts, most of the Terrans are already using them with not such a great success against Infestor/Broodlord. Remember that's exactly what people said about infestors too. I have yet to see a game where ghost are not extremely effective/gamewinning. You should probably start trying out some new things instead of crying imba.
Yes, I'm sure having infestors at 20 more hp and double dps has nothing to do with zerg suddenly using them. Ghosts are also widely used, but they just don't work they way you say they do. Like other people have stated, stop theorycrafting. If you want to prove something works, go out and do it, and come back with replays and a guide.
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