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On August 30 2011 22:54 SgtSama wrote: So I just bought Karthus yesterday morning, and the pentakill skin, only to have him disabled entirely after 4 games :/ Think yourself lucky, this just makes you want to play him more.
I bought Talon, and got bored of him after 3 games.
:/
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Dyrus does a similar playstyle. They both go Tear and Rylais, too :D I go flash/tp though because I'm a pussy.
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I thought Revive on Karth was kinda moot now a days (never played that style but I heard it fell out of style) But hes a solid champ. My fav personally. Rylias on Karth seems like its kinda wasted imo. Just that there are better items that can go on him but *shrug* Im a low elo noob. Tear I never get until I build an AA's late game because I never really have mana problems. Especially in teamfights where you usually get focused.
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On August 31 2011 15:27 Slaughter wrote: I thought Revive on Karth was kinda moot now a days (never played that style but I heard it fell out of style) But hes a solid champ. My fav personally. Rylias on Karth seems like its kinda wasted imo. Just that there are better items that can go on him but *shrug* Im a low elo noob. Tear I never get until I build an AA's late game because I never really have mana problems. Especially in teamfights where you usually get focused. you usually want to get tear somewhat early cause it takes quite some time to charge it up fully.
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On August 31 2011 05:46 StrigHT wrote: Played a game last night with a hard farming Karthus who eventually had a Deathcap and FIVE Archangels. He had a hair shy of 1500 AP. His defile was all he really needed at that point with more than 4k mana and the ticks doing upwards of 20-25% damage on the enemy carries.
It was beautiful.
And this is the thing I see people on Karthus try too often.
1x deathcap + 5 AA = you got what 1600 hp at lvl 18 with full build?
Ranged AD carry crits you 2 times and you die. Ok so your requim will hit like a truck. Then it's on cooldown and now what? Not to mention getting to that point is...
very squishy karthus just isn't as effective as if you'd build roa/rylais, then you can go up to brawl with the melee dudes and come out on top.
Yea I'll get if someone just wants to do that for the heck of it, but considering that a valid build is eehhhh I know I wouldn't want one in my team. Such a liability unless you get to a 50 minute match that your team was winning since 15 minutes.
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So.....
A) Tears -> Deathcap -> Void/Rylais/Zhonyas/AA B) Cata -> Deathcap -> Void/Rylais/Zhonyas C) Tears -> Rylais -> Deathcap -> Void/Zhonyas/AA
I don't really know. Rylais feels awesome. Rylais without Tears is weak though. Not sure if Rylais+Tears is more efficiant than RoA for AP/Mana/HP.
Rylais+Tears: +80 AP. +500 Health, +1k mana (stacked), slow: 3105 + 995 = 4100G.
VS
Fully stacked RoA: +80 AP, +530 health, +725 mana: 3035G
I just can't see how Rylais + Tears beats RoA. Someone tell me why. 1k gold for a slow proc? 1k gold for the ability to build AA later?
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my build,
boots lvl1,amp tome, catalyst, kages pick/soulstealer depending on how dumb the enemies are, roa, (all this is usually built around 18mins), deathcap.
from here onwards I vary the build according to what the other team is doing, what heroes they have etc etc. usually the next item is a zhonyas becuase of the yi/tryn bs that currently saturates the normal queue. But as I said I change t around depending on enemy comp and their items so other things i get regualrly are an abyssal septer, void staff, and rylias.
I have a purely theoretical build for vsing a pure ad team and that is to get a sunfiire cape somehwere in the build. It synergises quite well with defile and provides further armour essentially making you unkillable with a zhonyas and rylias.
I usually run flash and yes clarity. Why clarity, simply for the awesome sustain it provides. Its also pretty good late game since I don't build mana items such as tear as i think they are a waste of an item slot and as such can just clarity when defile starts to get my mana lowish.
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I feel stupid when i hear about your builds. I usually go mpen marks, hp/lvl seals, mres/lvl glyphs and either flat ap quints or flat hp quints.
Boots 3hpots -> Cata -> RoA -> Deathcap -> Zhonya -> Void staff
For boots i go merc threads very often (all that CC). I dont value sorc shoes much, since i find them abit meh on someone like karthus, since he's always focused like shit. Mercs provides you some defensive stats in terms of mres against your lane opponents and CC reduction which i consider very very useful. But im just a small town girl
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I find Tear quite overrated, if you get RoA you don't need tear unless you like lay wasting every bush 3 times before entering. Just don't leave defile on when you can't hit anything.
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archangels > RoA imo because
1) archangels gives more AP 2) archangels gives even more AP considering that his q has such a short cd 3) survivability is overrated on karthus. he's better dead than alive. i hate when my ult channel gets cancelled because i use it reflexively
also, mejais sucks because youre gonna die as karthus, and its fairly okay to die as him
my build goes meki/sapphire + 2 healthpots -> tear -> sorcshoes -> rabadons -> void staff -> archangels.
then it depends, survivability items, or a lichbane for pushing, another rabadons, etc.
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I disagree that Karth is better dead than alive, while you are dead you are immobile. I'll rather be alive and rushing towards them still with defile on, it scares the shit out of so many players. Then you get some melee hit you and they realize "oh shit he didn't die instantly" and then you drop wall on them and start lay wasting.
Don't ult when it's not safe.
Anyway that's just based on my experience as and against Karthuses. Wall is on long CD so if you had to use that on the initiation and then die, you got nothing left to keep them at you.
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Ouch I just got raped hard vs a kass in mid T_T could not deal with his teleport at all past lvl 2. 1st fight we both die 2nd fight he lives and manages to live with 30 hp. Then we just owned the fuck out of me :[ How should you play vs an aggressive kass player?
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Zero survivabilty Karthus works fine, but you have to play like a boss when it comes to intiation and stuff. If you get picked off before the fight starts or go in too early you do nothing.
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On September 01 2011 04:51 Slaughter wrote: Ouch I just got raped hard vs a kass in mid T_T could not deal with his teleport at all past lvl 2. 1st fight we both die 2nd fight he lives and manages to live with 30 hp. Then we just owned the fuck out of me :[ How should you play vs an aggressive kass player? Kass and Leblack are #1 Karth counters. Early you should be able to outpoke him but once he's 6 it's hell. I'd get a cata vs Kass/leb and get a somewhat bveil.
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On September 01 2011 05:06 HazMat wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2011 04:51 Slaughter wrote: Ouch I just got raped hard vs a kass in mid T_T could not deal with his teleport at all past lvl 2. 1st fight we both die 2nd fight he lives and manages to live with 30 hp. Then we just owned the fuck out of me :[ How should you play vs an aggressive kass player? Kass and Leblack are #1 Karth counters. Early you should be able to outpoke him but once he's 6 it's hell. I'd get a cata vs Kass/leb and get a somewhat bveil.
Doesn't Ori own him pretty hard as well? Ball just does so much damage.
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I don't have problems with Orianna for some reason. I'd consider myself pretty experienced with Orianna so I guess I'm just good at dodging her ball. Though she's banned 90% of the time so I have minimal experienced laning Karthus vs Ori
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Is there a way to not smart cast his Q? I have trouble with the AOE of the Q, so I always miss or hit multiple targets. He is hard to play...
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On September 01 2011 04:56 Woony wrote: Zero survivabilty Karthus works fine, but you have to play like a boss when it comes to intiation and stuff. If you get picked off before the fight starts or go in too early you do nothing.
This, anytime I don't build some survivability I get focused too fast. So I pretty much always start with catalyst and get RoA fairly quickly.
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