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On January 10 2012 04:22 layabout wrote:Show nested quote + The post serves to help clarify the situation and give town some potentially useful information, clarity and information are both valuable to town. Ideally it also lowers suspicion on myself, which seeing as I know I am town, is also good for town. Also, as I said, it is NOT WIFOM if the goal is to roleblock. Not doing it doesn't roleblock me, it isn't like if I was the demon hunter I'd go "better not send in a night action in case I get roleblocked!" Roleblocking stops someone from using their role if roleblock them, and doesn't if you don't do it.
WIFOM is they killed x, he was suspicious of y! Does that mean y is scum, or they want us to think y is scum? Yes, it is possible they wanted to increase suspicion on me as well, and that part is subject to WIFOM'ing. (They wanted to make me more suspicious, so that actually makes me less suspicious, but they would know that so it is more suspicious....etc etc etc)
You haven't said what the "potentially useful information is" yet you say that you have given it and that it was valuable to town. You don't know what the goal is! You can'teven know for certain who palmar transported (unless you are a demon and he told you or you are the channeller). I suggest that the whole thing is subject to WIFOM-ing. It is called "Why i think i was put in Purgatory", what exactly can you follow that up with that is wifom!! Wifom is also: did Palmar tansported HoD? why? Does that mean HoD is scum with him? Did Palmar think he was the other scumteam? Did Palmar wish to increase suspicion? since your post provides answers to those questions and attempts to explain them then yes it is WIFOM. It isn't helpful. *sigh* So if you think this is pure WIFOM, why are you even discussing it? I found a simple explanation for my being sent to purgatory, simple explanations are often correct. And no, I can't know for certain that it was Palmar that did it, but if it was the town channeler then our channeler is dumb as fuck, which I find unlikely. The valuable information is what likely happened in regards to the night actions last night. Knowing our own roles and alignments, Syllo and I have better insight into it than most. Obviously the channeler, demon hunter, and scum teams know a good deal as well, but I doubt they'll be claiming just to clarify this.
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On January 10 2012 04:09 Cwave wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 03:52 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: Syllo, you're pretty smart, so please tell me why on earth you think Palmar would banish me to purgatory if he thought I was an angel?
Let's look at the scenarios: 1) I am the Angelic Observer - sending me to purgatory does nothing for the demons. 2) I am the Acolyte - unless I for some reason decide to go after a demon instead of a blue, does nothing for the demons. If I do go after blues, doing this hurts the demons. 3) I am the Angel of Death - I would never hit Palmar when I could get town to use up a lynch on him as lynching is the only anti-angel kp. Also leading a scum lynch can get some town cred. So one demon (Palmar) is safe. Another demon can be twisted, so now 2 are safe. Note, so far this also applies to the acolyte even if the acolyte is targeting a demon. So now blocking the angel of death is only useful if the third demon is also a likely target for a scum night kill.
I don't see how any of those are a better choice than targeting someone you think is a blue, especially if you have no idea which I am and are taking the 1/3 chance of a remotely useful roleblock. As I stated, I think it is much more likely he thought I was blue than an angel. Wowowowo, you oversee(on purpose?) one thing. This is a 3 faction game but when it comes to lyncing, its a 2 faction game looking from your own POV(town,angel,demon). Lynching is our only way to kill angels and demons help just as much with their lynch vote as the town when it comes to killing an angel. So your point 3 is wrong cause when you are the AoD you want demon and town dead as they can lynch vote you. And of all the demons, the demonic courier is the one that can actually hurt the angel team. So hell yeah you would hit Palmar if you knew he was the courier. Point 1) can you out your angel of death and get him couriered for 3 straight nights. Point 2) can get you the twister or courier killed, all in the benefit of both the town and angels. Another weird point if that you choose to eloborate point 3) with way more effort and text. If this was "The mentalist" or "Lie to me" i would call dibs in the couch on who was the liar as people tend to put to much effort in the lie they want to tell. Points up on my suspected angel-list HoB...... ...but there is literally a 0% chance of angels knowing which demon role Palmar was before he flipped so that is irrelevant. And you hit blues over demons because the seer, demon hunter, and channeler are all incredibly potent town assets against angels, and demons being alive gives you valid targets to scum hunt and get lynched instead of your teammates. If town is weak, sure, they might start killing off some demons on purpose, but them doing so now would be stupid. I elaborated point 3 because it was the only one that might actually be worth a damn to the demons.
Now, unless anyone has specific questions for me or actually wants to lynch me instead of just saying "I think he might be an angel" and then doing nothing about it, I will no longer be mentioning my trip to purgatory/what I think the reasoning behind it is and will instead focus on more useful shit.
On January 10 2012 03:08 layabout wrote: Suspicious bastards: risk.nuke Refallen Tyrran Dirkzor RoL Jackal? (there is town there but i think these players should receive heightened attention) Hey look - a list! Care to explain anything about it? Lists without reasons are pretty useless filler.
@Tyrran You still have yet to make any real contributions. Planning to start doing so any time soon?
@Those suspicious of Syllo I think you are mistaken. The odds of him being a demon after his interactions with Palmar seems quite low to me, unless he was willing to bus Palmar today, he mentioned Palmar was essentially claiming scum during the night. I think it is very likely he was targeted by the angel of death, the only way I could see him not being town is if he is the angel of death.
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As I have to be consistent, Cwave is warned for a 36 hour period of inactivity. Further inactivity could warrant replacement.
Palmar is warned for posting after death. Do not post after death! Especially if you flip ???.
The Q&A post has been updated with another question and its answer.
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@ Hod
On January 10 2012 03:08 layabout wrote: Suspicious bastards: risk.nuke If you do not know why he is here then you aren't reading the thread Refallen Some found him scummy day1 but the lie about voting erandorr is one of the most anti-town acts thusfar Tyrran Not posted a whole lot, persistently called scum but has done nothing to help town nor suggest townie. Dirkzor I literally just wrote why (he is a fairly new addition) RoL For suggesting a plan that could easily have caused lylo day 4 with no blues and his actions around lynch-time. Jackal? His actions around lynch time and lack of justification and lack of willingness to discuss. (least scummy) (there is town there but i think these players should receive heightened attention) If you had been reading the thread the least obvious would have been Tyrran because i haven't really talked about him up until this point. The others i feel i have already justified in a way that makes your questioning redundant.
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I haven't been paying attention to this whole lying about voting thing, but it seems very unlikely to me that it was intentional. If Refallen is scum, I doubt he would prefer a day 1 no lynch over lynching town or lynching a member of the opposing team. If town had no lynched due to his vote not going through, he would have to explain his actions.
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Remember this? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13058271
Do you agree/disagree? Think it is good/bad? Think it does/doesn't need changes?
Since there have been some votes already i am going to start off by noting this:
Current Vote Count: + Show Spoiler +On December 28 2011 15:42 ZBot wrote: Vote count for the Day 2 Lynch.
With 16 alive, 9 votes are required to lynch.
Current votes:
Dirkzor (1): Jackal58
risk.nuke (1): Bluelightz, Refallen, -Bluelightz
Cwave (0): Dirkzor, -Dirkzor
The Day 2 deadline is at January 12 2012 10:00 KST. (That's approximately 2 days, 5:04:51 from now.)
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I think it's something that should just be encouraged, but not something that should be a policy. People are going to forget and I don't think it's particularly helpful to keep pointing that out. The information itself can be useful, but it's not really crucial.
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On January 10 2012 04:48 layabout wrote:@ Hod Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 03:08 layabout wrote: Suspicious bastards: risk.nuke If you do not know why he is here then you aren't reading the thread Refallen Some found him scummy day1 but the lie about voting erandorr is one of the most anti-town acts thusfar Tyrran Not posted a whole lot, persistently called scum but has done nothing to help town nor suggest townie. Dirkzor I literally just wrote why (he is a fairly new addition) RoL For suggesting a plan that could easily have caused lylo day 4 with no blues and his actions around lynch-time. Jackal? His actions around lynch time and lack of justification and lack of willingness to discuss. (least scummy) (there is town there but i think these players should receive heightened attention) If you had been reading the thread the least obvious would have been Tyrran because i haven't really talked about him up until this point. The others i feel i have already justified in a way that makes your questioning redundant. Why insinuate that I haven't been reading the thread? I assure you I have read every post at least once, and most more than that. Also, I started writing that post (and my one immediately prior) before your explanation of Dirkzor, and had not refreshed since then. I have no way of knowing if you have posted 100% of your reasoning for a player being scum, I saw you had called RoL's plan bad, but so had lots of people, and I don't think merely suggesting it is enough to make him scum and wanted to know if there was anything else. Syllo already pointed out why your reasoning for Refallen is questionable, and I honestly didn't think you would deem him scummy solely on that. Presumably after Palmar's flip Jackal looks better - he strongly wanted people to vote Palmar, so I wanted to know what your reasoning was there. As you said, you hadn't mentioned much on Tyrran yet. Hey look, my question was valid on 5/6 (or 4/6 had I refreshed earlier), sure was redundant!
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@HoD If you wanted me to provide 100% of my reasoning then you should have asked that.
Care to anything about it? I had said enough previously for your vague question of "care to anything about it" to be redundant.
Lists without reasons are pretty useless filler. You call it empty useless filler. Your posting today has been empty useless filler. Unless you have anything valid and worthy of my attention to say to me then I am going to ignore you for as long as I feel like/
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@Zephirdd Care to elaborate on what it is about Tyrran's posting that makes you change your mind between here
On January 08 2012 13:54 Zephirdd wrote: I dont think Tyrran is a good kill, in fact he is playinmg just like his meta. And here:
On January 10 2012 02:27 Zephirdd wrote: -snipped- No, there is not enough info for pushing a lynch, but I'd like people to keep an eye on him. Also Tyrran, his posts are weird for me. Changing your mind is obviously fine, but I'd like to know why beyond "his posts are weird".
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On January 10 2012 05:39 layabout wrote:@HoD If you wanted me to provide 100% of my reasoning then you should have asked that. I had said enough previously for your vague question of "care to anything about it" to be redundant. You call it empty useless filler. Your posting today has been empty useless filler. Unless you have anything valid and worthy of my attention to say to me then I am going to ignore you for as long as I feel like/ I could have asked that, but townies usually like to be transparent in their actions, so I thought asking if you'd like to explain would suffice. Also, please don't use the quote tag and then include something which is not a quote. That is misleading. The actual quote is:
Care to explain anything about it? Not :Care to anything about it?
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On January 10 2012 04:30 layabout wrote: @ Dirkzor You have made some anti-town suggestions you are under pressure I really do not like the ##Vote Cwave, AHA i got you cwave! ##Unvote play +you weren't on my Likey town list anyway +what kind of respectable townie doesn't know monty python?
Not sure if i have time to come up with a detailed case today particularly as it's only the start of day2, and there are better candidates. (thats means you risk.nuke)
In hindsight the vote on cwave might have been overkill on my pressuring of him, but nonetheless it forced the reaction i had hoped (from cwave and non-specific others)
I don't feel I have been under pressure yet (Jackal screaming scum does not count as pressure), but please point out where I made anti-town suggestions so i can stop doing that.
(I'm sorry about the monty Python thingy...)
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On January 10 2012 04:09 Cwave wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 03:52 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: Syllo, you're pretty smart, so please tell me why on earth you think Palmar would banish me to purgatory if he thought I was an angel?
Let's look at the scenarios: 1) I am the Angelic Observer - sending me to purgatory does nothing for the demons. 2) I am the Acolyte - unless I for some reason decide to go after a demon instead of a blue, does nothing for the demons. If I do go after blues, doing this hurts the demons. 3) I am the Angel of Death - I would never hit Palmar when I could get town to use up a lynch on him as lynching is the only anti-angel kp. Also leading a scum lynch can get some town cred. So one demon (Palmar) is safe. Another demon can be twisted, so now 2 are safe. Note, so far this also applies to the acolyte even if the acolyte is targeting a demon. So now blocking the angel of death is only useful if the third demon is also a likely target for a scum night kill.
I don't see how any of those are a better choice than targeting someone you think is a blue, especially if you have no idea which I am and are taking the 1/3 chance of a remotely useful roleblock. As I stated, I think it is much more likely he thought I was blue than an angel. Wowowowo, you oversee(on purpose?) one thing. This is a 3 faction game but when it comes to lyncing, its a 2 faction game looking from your own POV(town,angel,demon). Lynching is our only way to kill angels and demons help just as much with their lynch vote as the town when it comes to killing an angel. So your point 3 is wrong cause when you are the AoD you want demon and town dead as they can lynch vote you. And of all the demons, the demonic courier is the one that can actually hurt the angel team. So hell yeah you would hit Palmar if you knew he was the courier. Point 1) can you out your angel of death and get him couriered for 3 straight nights. Point 2) can get you the twister or courier killed, all in the benefit of both the town and angels. Another weird point if that you choose to eloborate point 3) with way more effort and text. If this was "The mentalist" or "Lie to me" i would call dibs in the couch on who was the liar as people tend to put to much effort in the lie they want to tell. Points up on my suspected angel-list HoB......
As you choose to ignore my post and after reading your responses, you are forcing me to vote for your lynch HoD.
As I stated, I think it is much more likely he thought I was blue than an angel. But what where you, you nowhere explain it from your POV but only from Palmar's. You explain incomplete scenarios for Angel possibilities trying to steer away but nowhere go into depth about the blue/town side. Might be because you want to protect your blue role or live as town.............
You only have to fear the lynch if you are an angel.....
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On January 10 2012 06:06 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 04:30 layabout wrote: @ Dirkzor You have made some anti-town suggestions you are under pressure I really do not like the ##Vote Cwave, AHA i got you cwave! ##Unvote play +you weren't on my Likey town list anyway +what kind of respectable townie doesn't know monty python?
Not sure if i have time to come up with a detailed case today particularly as it's only the start of day2, and there are better candidates. (thats means you risk.nuke) In hindsight the vote on cwave might have been overkill on my pressuring of him, but nonetheless it forced the reaction i had hoped (from cwave and non-specific others) I don't feel I have been under pressure yet (Jackal screaming scum does not count as pressure), but please point out where I made anti-town suggestions so i can stop doing that. (I'm sorry about the monty Python thingy...)
And again, this is not helping yourself/town. Your "pressuring"/reaction on me because I pressured you in the form of a lynch vote is scummy stuff. Apologies are also not a good sign!
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On January 10 2012 06:12 Cwave wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 04:09 Cwave wrote:On January 10 2012 03:52 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: Syllo, you're pretty smart, so please tell me why on earth you think Palmar would banish me to purgatory if he thought I was an angel?
Let's look at the scenarios: 1) I am the Angelic Observer - sending me to purgatory does nothing for the demons. 2) I am the Acolyte - unless I for some reason decide to go after a demon instead of a blue, does nothing for the demons. If I do go after blues, doing this hurts the demons. 3) I am the Angel of Death - I would never hit Palmar when I could get town to use up a lynch on him as lynching is the only anti-angel kp. Also leading a scum lynch can get some town cred. So one demon (Palmar) is safe. Another demon can be twisted, so now 2 are safe. Note, so far this also applies to the acolyte even if the acolyte is targeting a demon. So now blocking the angel of death is only useful if the third demon is also a likely target for a scum night kill.
I don't see how any of those are a better choice than targeting someone you think is a blue, especially if you have no idea which I am and are taking the 1/3 chance of a remotely useful roleblock. As I stated, I think it is much more likely he thought I was blue than an angel. Wowowowo, you oversee(on purpose?) one thing. This is a 3 faction game but when it comes to lyncing, its a 2 faction game looking from your own POV(town,angel,demon). Lynching is our only way to kill angels and demons help just as much with their lynch vote as the town when it comes to killing an angel. So your point 3 is wrong cause when you are the AoD you want demon and town dead as they can lynch vote you. And of all the demons, the demonic courier is the one that can actually hurt the angel team. So hell yeah you would hit Palmar if you knew he was the courier. Point 1) can you out your angel of death and get him couriered for 3 straight nights. Point 2) can get you the twister or courier killed, all in the benefit of both the town and angels. Another weird point if that you choose to eloborate point 3) with way more effort and text. If this was "The mentalist" or "Lie to me" i would call dibs in the couch on who was the liar as people tend to put to much effort in the lie they want to tell. Points up on my suspected angel-list HoB...... As you choose to ignore my post and after reading your responses, you are forcing me to vote for your lynch HoD. Show nested quote +As I stated, I think it is much more likely he thought I was blue than an angel. But what where you, you nowhere explain it from your POV but only from Palmar's. You explain incomplete scenarios for Angel possibilities trying to steer away but nowhere go into depth about the blue/town side. Might be because you want to protect your blue role or live as town............. You only have to fear the lynch if you are an angel..... ...so in my explanation of why Palmar sent me to purgatory, you want me to use my perspective instead of Palmar's? Also, I did respond to your post, what do you mean I ignored it? Or did you want me to use my perspective instead of the Angels' for explaining why the Angels wouldn't target a demon night one? Maybe I'm just misunderstanding your post, but it makes no sense to me.
My response:
...but there is literally a 0% chance of angels knowing which demon role Palmar was before he flipped so that is irrelevant. And you hit blues over demons because the seer, demon hunter, and channeler are all incredibly potent town assets against angels, and demons being alive gives you valid targets to scum hunt and get lynched instead of your teammates. If town is weak, sure, they might start killing off some demons on purpose, but them doing so now would be stupid. I elaborated point 3 because it was the only one that might actually be worth a damn to the demons.
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How is it not in the best interest of both the Angel Party and Demon party to try and hit the courier? Noone could know that ofcourse but if you are either scum team and you suspect someone is scum aswell, you have a 1/3 to hit the courier right? Good odds imo and it seems Angel team wanted Palmar dead.
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On January 10 2012 05:41 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:@Zephirdd Care to elaborate on what it is about Tyrran's posting that makes you change your mind between here Show nested quote +On January 08 2012 13:54 Zephirdd wrote: I dont think Tyrran is a good kill, in fact he is playinmg just like his meta. And here: Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 02:27 Zephirdd wrote: -snipped- No, there is not enough info for pushing a lynch, but I'd like people to keep an eye on him. Also Tyrran, his posts are weird for me. Changing your mind is obviously fine, but I'd like to know why beyond "his posts are weird".
Up to the point of the first quote, he didn't look too different from himself on Steamship Liquidia. However he hasn't improved since then, posting repeated long posts(ex. the "what happened on the night" explanation) and his posts look a lot like generic scum posts that basically fill the thread and may provide something slightly useful, but nothing of quality. It also bothers me that he says RoL's plan was remotely good("much better than I thought", sic) but what bothers me the most is this:
On January 09 2012 18:14 Tyrran wrote:Well I dont see how this could have gone better :D. One demon dead ( GJ DemonHunter or Angel Acolyte, whoever got him) and no unrevealed death. Perfect N1 for town. Here are some initial thought about what happened N1 : Show nested quote +On January 09 2012 12:14 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: I agree that it was most likely Palmar that sent me to purgatory, as I can't see any town player choosing to protect me over syllo, and I can't see town trying to use it for the roleblock on me instead of protecting someone. What I am more confused about is why he would do that. Agreed. Syllo was one of the most valuable town assets day 1, channeler sending him to purgatory was the best and obvious move. Palmar maybe thougth you were AoD, and/or DemonHunter. He also maybe tried to protect you. The fact that there were no ???? flip leaves us with 4 probability: - AoD targeted Syllo. This is unlikely. It was clear in the thread that the banish was going to be used defensively, and Syllogism was one of the most obvious target. I' not sure why angels would target him other than them being bad.
- AoD targeted HarbingerOfDoom. This is a possibility. I'm not sure why they would choose him over BH, Wiggles, layabout tho
- Syllo is the AoD. This is unlikely, he has been very active for town during day 1. Yet, we cannot ignore this possibility. I dont want him lynched today, but if he is banished again N2, and once again the AoD do not kill, then we will have to consider him as a lynch.
- HoD is the AoD. This is a possibility too, but i'm not sure about it. I'll try to find some time to read his filter today.
Questions to discuss day 2 : What do you guys think of Syllo and HoD ? Are they summy too you. Do you think they were liekly target for the AoD? With no ???? flip, RoL plan could still be put into motion. What do you think about it?
Despite the gigantic filler(syllo/HoD speculation) that had been discussed already at that point, the "Congratulations Demon Hunter or Acolyte" strikes me the most. http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=JEEP's_Tells_for_Finding_Mafia
No reason for congratulating; If anything I'd say he is the Acolyte or the DH.
However, I don't find this to be enough for a lynch, not right now at least. As before, we have a long day ahead(50+ hours?).
That's it.
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@ Dirkzor anti-town actions: from http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13054091
Why would you make chaos on purpose to switch from a guy that you find scummy to a guy you find more scummy? Asks a question that answers itself.(you want to lynch the most scummy player)
On January 08 2012 21:46 syllogism wrote: Hello Dirkzor. Are you scum or just stupid? Do you realize that I'm the one who started the risk wagon and pretty much the reason he was sitting at 9 votes (-1 hammer) for something like several hours? Do you think my plan was to bus my team mate for the whole day, wait until he was almost lynched and then do a last minute switch to someone else? Remember, anyone could have hammered him at any point before the switch. How likely do you think it is for scum to bus a team mate in a setup like this? What was the motivation? Here is an explanation about why what you suggested in in the post is very unlikely.
On January 08 2012 21:55 Dirkzor wrote: I might be stupid... but with a 2 team setup they could both _not_ be on your team. I can just not find any real reason for you to switch unless risk's defence convinced you or Erandorr did something to enhance his case. Neither of which happened.
I realized you have pointed towards risk the whole day and criticized his first post. It only enhanced my question: Why the change? Call yourself stupid.People less likely to listen to you. Harder for you to persuade people when you are right. Whilst it was strange that syllo changed if you think that syllo thought he was more scummy then you already had the answer.
Here:
On January 09 2012 04:45 Dirkzor wrote: See, all i have is your word for it.
But i guess we can lynch him and if he flips town we lynch you...
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On January 09 2012 07:06 Dirkzor wrote: I don't like his last few posts. I just feel that either syllo, palmar or jackal are scum. (or 2 of the 3) on the account on how they interact.
But I'm way to tired now to try to figure out who. Logic of, if Player X is town then Player Y and Z are scum because of how they interact, is bad. Given that town generally don't know the alignment of players they interact with and scum can choose how they interact with players they also know are scum, they can deliberately behave in such as way as to make you think that they cannot both be scum. So it is dangerous to make inferences of the kind, well if x flips <something> then y must be <something>. It can lead to falsely beleving scum are near confirmed town or lynching two townies.
Here:
On January 09 2012 20:32 Dirkzor wrote: I don't think Risk is a bad lynch target. But I wouldn't mind hitting Cwave.
Then:
On January 09 2012 20:37 Dirkzor wrote: Actually:
##Vote Cwave
Either he is scum with palmar or he is a townie with a bad read (on me).
Then:
On January 10 2012 03:30 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2012 11:36 Jackal58 wrote:On January 09 2012 11:30 Grackaroni wrote: Yeah I wouldn't put too much importance on Palmar's list there spaackle. Also I'm going to assume that Palmar was the person that put you in purgatory HoD. It just makes more sense for the Channeler to protect syllo.
It makes more sense for Palmar to protect a teammate than to try to block a blue. I think Palmar sent Syllo to purgatory. Is anybody corrupted? You still think syllo is on palmars team? If yes, so you think I'm on that team aswell? Because thats a crap theory. You just think i'm palmars scumbuddy because he called me town several times the first day - or? I don't want to lynch Cwave. I wanted him to think for himself! + Show Spoiler +On January 08 2012 22:02 Dirkzor wrote: I'm looking through Cwave's filter.
He looks fishy. Not only for saying he thinks i'm scum several times with the only reasoning is a weak ass "case" about my first post and because It found a difference in the OP and Zbot vote count post. But more so because he havent said anything else the entire first day. He have spend the entire day 1 pointing out the obvious: RoL arent posting, Jackal have done nothing but hate palmar (But i must admit i found his post on Jackal amusing =))
He haven't taken a stance on anything and voted Erandorr with the reason that he is lurking.
I'll keep an eye on him... And that he have. Within the last ½ day he have provided not 1, but 3 post with original thoughts. Thats more then he have done before. And the fact that his conclusions are okay (well not one about AoD, but he already pulled that one back) he actually comes out looking good. It was a pure pressure vote and it worked. Also i noted that Tyrran came after me. Totally justified since all I did was voting for Cwave with no real reason. But having in mind that he knows he is already under suspicion he wants to find another target. Lastly I want to look at this post: + Show Spoiler +On January 09 2012 21:16 Refallen wrote:Well I decided to take a look at Cwave since Dirk is voting for him. CwaveShow nested quote +We also have a seer who in my opinion has the most important power of the game, namely the identification of angels! As of such, please don't roleclaim for now as mentioned in the pre-game discussion for with 3 factions in this game, 2 factions will instantly try to kill you. Ok, weird role to choose the most important power of. Unless you're a demon. Show nested quote +
I think this is a good hypothetical question to answer. One everyone should answer!
Dikrzor for me at the moment.
For you Palmar & Syllo, who would you pop right now if you had to?
Show nested quote +On January 08 2012 05:17 Palmar wrote: I don't have all night risk.nuke
Cwave, what do you think about risk? Do you think his plan was reasonable? What plan do you mean? On January 06 2012 12:45 risk.nuke wrote: I don't want to lynch palmar because first of all he is Palmar and secondly he seems to be missing. Why should we lynch the (imo) best player in the game in a 2 mafia team setup day 1.
Not too bad of a plan since you do tend to create good ripples in the water. And with ripples comes information. Or this one? Buddying with Palmar, possible scumbuddies? The exchange about risk.nuke and his plan sounds especially contrived. Show nested quote +@ Risknuke. 6 voted on you at the moment and it seems 5 people haven't voted yet, including myself.
Other then your defense that you "got annoyed with meta in the face", any reason i shouldn't vote you? Seems such a waste to hang someone like you for information as suggested by other people in here.
While i await your asnwer im parking my vote on Erandorr. Main reason is this post which puts Erandorr along side RoL for me in terms of bad/useless.
##VOTE: Erandorr Not wanting to vote risk.nuke? I'm going to say that if we lynch risk.nuke and he flips demon, Cwave is most probably the last one. The first point he makes is the exact same one i made earlier. How is asking and answering Palmars question buddying up to him? I fail to see that. And the part about risk's plan Refallen actually cut the end of the post from Cwave where he answered the question from Palmar. Palmar never clarified which plan he was talking about - it was kinda obvious what he meant but it could also easily be misunderstood if cwave just went through risk's filter looking for a plan. Last Refallen conclude that if Risk is demon Cwave must be too. While it is possible that palmar was bussing risk I find it unlikely. So Refallen is just trying to jump an easy wagon? His case just seemed forced as if he wanted Cwave to appear scummy because I already voted for him. Either way I'm unvoting Cwave. That vote did what was intended. Should be obvious. You vote to lynch. You Lynch to kill scum. Otherwise don't vote. (cough cough BH)
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On January 10 2012 06:29 Cwave wrote: How is it not in the best interest of both the Angel Party and Demon party to try and hit the courier? Noone could know that ofcourse but if you are either scum team and you suspect someone is scum aswell, you have a 1/3 to hit the courier right? Good odds imo and it seems Angel team wanted Palmar dead.
Well, the courier is a demon, so pretty damn sure it isn't in their best interest to hit him.
Good odds imo and it seems Angel team wanted Palmar dead. What evidence do you have for the angel team wanting him dead (at least more so than any other non-angel)? And why would they want him dead via night kill instead of taking up a lynch if they thought that was possible to get him lynched?
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