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On February 05 2012 12:19 Kommander wrote: Why the fuck does Hero have doubters and haters here? He's a nice guy who cares for his fans and who is actually a top class Protoss, what has he ever done to you guys? -__- I guess the fans are the problem, he could be considered overhyped.
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On February 05 2012 12:25 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 12:24 Wroshe wrote:On February 05 2012 12:21 R!! wrote:On February 05 2012 12:19 Phobbers wrote:On February 05 2012 12:17 Asha` wrote:On February 05 2012 12:15 Bashion wrote:On February 05 2012 12:13 Asha` wrote: Well, pretty awful series.
Jjakji obviously with his mind on the GSL.
Hero played alright. This excuse never gets old. ^_^ it's a good one. Jjakji played much worse than normal for whatever reason, being involved in the GSL and about to play possibly 2 seperate Code S toss isn't exactly an implausible reason for why his play was so untypical of his usual game. Or it could be that Jjakji is being hyped up wayyyyy harder that he deserves to be. Fantastic player, but I still feel he isn't as good as he is hyped up to be. I disagree, being due to play 2 protoss players in code S is an extremely legit excuse to not show what you are capable of and instead reveal false weaknesses, as legit as an excuse gets, up there with collapsed lung. Honestly if players want to hide builds in "B-tier tournaments" and preserve their A-Game they either shouldn't play in them or it shouldn't be used as an excuse. You can't have it both ways. The players aren't using it as an excuse anyway, it's just random forum people who dislike the outcome of the match. I was mainly aiming that at disgruntled forum fanbois. Not that it would have had any influence on them but trying doesn't hurt.
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On February 05 2012 12:25 Yamulo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 11:45 HeroHenry wrote:On February 04 2012 02:34 Bumblebee wrote: What happened to people supporting our team and our beloved Liquid` children?! :'( To be honest if HerO wasn't on liquid, he probably be forgotten by everyone in the community by now. Funny because I have never seen anyone become forgotten after they take a gold and a silver in the same week You realize if HerO was on oGs and not Liquid, he wouldn't have been at either of those events right?
That's what he's getting at.
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On February 05 2012 12:19 Kommander wrote: Why the fuck does Hero have doubters and haters here? He's a nice guy who cares for his fans and who is actually a top class Protoss, what has he ever done to you guys? -__- It comes with popularity. If you don't have any haters, you are not that hot, and HerO is extremely hot XD
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On February 05 2012 12:28 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 12:19 Kommander wrote: Why the fuck does Hero have doubters and haters here? He's a nice guy who cares for his fans and who is actually a top class Protoss, what has he ever done to you guys? -__- I guess the fans are the problem, he could be considered overhyped.
He's regularly being "hyped" by various progamers both in Korea and the foreign scene. You know, people who actually know what they're talking about and don't have to look into TLPDs for arguments.
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On February 05 2012 12:23 Wroshe wrote: Even though the series was sort of scrappy it was still entertaining. The excuses people make are sort of hilarious though. If anything this proves even more the current volatility of the scene.
Personally I feel that Jjakji is a bit overhyped even though he has a GSL Code S title. I agree, the finals were very good but his way to the final was not very convincing. In the group stages he lost to Killer and then rebounded with wins over SuperNova and Virus. His secound group stage involved getting stomped by MVP and then getting the walk-over over CoCa into a TvT win over the mediocre Gumiho(TvT Speaking). After that he beat Puzzle, Oz and Leenock to grab the title, those three are of high calibre. Still he had quite an easy path to the finals. Eh. Just because you win a GSL doesn't mean you'll win every match, and I would consider Hero to be a top player. I don't think this result means the game is volatile at all.
People have been spoiled by Flash and Jaedong's dominance imo. It's like golf. People got used to Woods winning everything, and now it seems like you read about a different person winning majors every time. When forGG won an MSL and then became solidly mediocre no one thought it meant anything about BW. In most fields of competition you simply don't see win rates much above ~60%.
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sick storms from hero in the final game never letting jjakji get into position for an engagement. just starved him out until it was 3 mining bases to 1 and get his upgrades sooner than the game before. should be another excellent series next week with him and dimaga. great job IPL.
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On February 05 2012 12:30 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 12:28 Bagi wrote:On February 05 2012 12:19 Kommander wrote: Why the fuck does Hero have doubters and haters here? He's a nice guy who cares for his fans and who is actually a top class Protoss, what has he ever done to you guys? -__- I guess the fans are the problem, he could be considered overhyped. He's regularly being "hyped" by various progamers both in Korea and the foreign scene. You know, people who actually know what they're talking about and don't have to look into TLPDs for arguments. Uhh Tastosis hype doesn't count.
LOL jk jk
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I'm sure people will start citing HerO as one of the best players in the world atm because of this series. That's why the flip side is arguing that jjakji wasn't playing his best. Honestly fans will hype the shit out of their players, while antis will try to cut them down. IMO beating someone in a online show match cannot be compared to facing them in a major tournement. Perhaps in time Hero will truly stand in my top players book.
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On February 05 2012 11:56 dragonborn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 11:50 naux wrote:On February 05 2012 11:40 Whatson wrote:On February 05 2012 11:38 tree.hugger wrote:On February 05 2012 11:34 Whatson wrote:On February 05 2012 11:33 CrazyBirdman wrote: An who the hell cares whether Jjikji is bringing GSL builds or not. He plays in a 500$ with a chance for qualifying for another he is trying his best and he is up against the DreamHack Winter winner and NASL Season2 finalist.
500$ is about how much he gets in a few hours worth of stream-time in Korea. Just saying... That's an exaggeration by quite a bit, especially in February. To allude that Jjakji somehow doesn't want to win this or doesn't care about winning this series is silly. Sure this isn't a GSL championship to him, but that's a dumb metric to hold to anything. If we only count championship level focus and play for every event, we're not going to have a lot of useful results. I'm not saying that Jjakji isn't trying to win But if somebody thinks that 500$ is somehow life-changing or a big sum to a pro-gamer, they gotta rethink how much money these guys can make. 500 dollars is a big sum to ANY pro gamer? what are you high or something? yeah destiny streams and makes 600 dollars the whole day if he streams but how many times does he stream a week? like once? holy do people think all pro gamers are like millionaires or something 10k people watching this match and they are playing for fame,money isnt everything.
money isnt everything? lol you make me laugh.. fame = money so how can you say money isnt everything .. more famous they get more tournaments they get invited to .. what you think most of these sc2 players switch over to get peanuts? no there main objective was to earn MONEY
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So when a terran loses, he's not playing to his standards but when a Protoss loses he's overrated? It's sad that a lot of top protosses just aren't getting the credit they deserve. Players like Genius and MC were written off and there were long articles on how they are outdated. What a joke!
Hero had better multi-tasking and better response than Jiajiki. Jiajiki is just throwing every build he knows against Hero in the hope that one of the build would pinpoint Hero's weakness but Hero adapted everytime. This is why Jiajiki scouts very late. He doesn't care about what strategy Hero employs. He's a flowchart Terran that just knows a lot of builds. There's nothing outstanding about his macro/micro or his multi-tasking.
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On February 05 2012 12:33 naux wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 11:56 dragonborn wrote:On February 05 2012 11:50 naux wrote:On February 05 2012 11:40 Whatson wrote:On February 05 2012 11:38 tree.hugger wrote:On February 05 2012 11:34 Whatson wrote:On February 05 2012 11:33 CrazyBirdman wrote: An who the hell cares whether Jjikji is bringing GSL builds or not. He plays in a 500$ with a chance for qualifying for another he is trying his best and he is up against the DreamHack Winter winner and NASL Season2 finalist.
500$ is about how much he gets in a few hours worth of stream-time in Korea. Just saying... That's an exaggeration by quite a bit, especially in February. To allude that Jjakji somehow doesn't want to win this or doesn't care about winning this series is silly. Sure this isn't a GSL championship to him, but that's a dumb metric to hold to anything. If we only count championship level focus and play for every event, we're not going to have a lot of useful results. I'm not saying that Jjakji isn't trying to win But if somebody thinks that 500$ is somehow life-changing or a big sum to a pro-gamer, they gotta rethink how much money these guys can make. 500 dollars is a big sum to ANY pro gamer? what are you high or something? yeah destiny streams and makes 600 dollars the whole day if he streams but how many times does he stream a week? like once? holy do people think all pro gamers are like millionaires or something 10k people watching this match and they are playing for fame,money isnt everything. money isnt everything? lol you make me laugh.. fame = money so how can you say money isnt everything .. more famous they get more tournaments they get invited to .. what you think most of these sc2 players switch over to get peanuts? no there main objective was to earn MONEY when you get fame,money instantly comes to you.
but first: fame.
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On February 05 2012 12:30 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 12:28 Bagi wrote:On February 05 2012 12:19 Kommander wrote: Why the fuck does Hero have doubters and haters here? He's a nice guy who cares for his fans and who is actually a top class Protoss, what has he ever done to you guys? -__- I guess the fans are the problem, he could be considered overhyped. He's regularly being "hyped" by various progamers both in Korea and the foreign scene. You know, people who actually know what they're talking about and don't have to look into TLPDs for arguments. If you say so.
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On February 05 2012 12:26 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 12:20 Baffels wrote:On February 05 2012 12:19 Kommander wrote: Why the fuck does Hero have doubters and haters here? He's a nice guy who cares for his fans and who is actually a top class Protoss, what has he ever done to you guys? -__- He is a protoss. Everybody has haters based on what races they play. Can't wait for tree.huggers write up, something like "Heavily favored code S champion Jjakji gets beaten by HerO!!!". Haha, I can't tell exactly how I'm being made fun of, but I'm pretty sure it's happening. I'll just quote all the people in the first few pages though, everyone who watches HerO knows that he beats Jjakji like a rented mule on ladder.
Not making fun. The bold is the fun part haha.
Why I love this game, every match up is within 50% win rate of each other.
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Well played by Hero. Still waiting for him to qualify for Code S though.
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On February 05 2012 12:26 dragonborn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 12:23 Wroshe wrote: Even though the series was sort of scrappy it was still entertaining. The excuses people make are sort of hilarious though. If anything this proves even more the current volatility of the scene.
Personally I feel that Jjakji is a bit overhyped even though he has a GSL Code S title. I agree, the finals were very good but his way to the final was not very convincing. In the group stages he lost to Killer and then rebounded with wins over SuperNova and Virus. His secound group stage involved getting stomped by MVP and then getting the walk-over over CoCa into a TvT win over the mediocre Gumiho(TvT Speaking). After that he beat Puzzle, Oz and Leenock to grab the title, those three are of high calibre. Still he had quite an easy path to the finals. Are you serious? Beating Puzzle and Oz to quite easy path to the finals??????? Puzzle and Oz probably #1 #2 Toss players in this scene both have fantastic PvT,and leenock best ZvT along with DongRaeGu. Jjakji's path to finals was quite tought. Yes, I am absolutely serious. He had a very weak first group set (in which he even lost to Killer) and in the second he relied on a walk over to get a second chance against a (definatly at the time) very weak TvTer. Sure Puzzle and Oz are both great players but compare that path against some other paths in that same GSL.
Groupstage 1 Group 2 RO8 RO4 Finals Leenock: Ganzi/Polt/Ensnare | MMA/HuK/Nestea | aLive -> Mvp -> Jjakji ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oz: CoCa/TaeJa/NaDa | aLive/Killer/Happy | MMA -> Jjakji -> Leenock Mvp: aLive/Marineking/Curious | Jjakji/GuMiho/CoCa | sC -> Leenock -> Jjakji ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MMA: MC/Ryung/YuGiOh | Leenock/HuK/NesTea | Oz -> Jjakji -> Leenock Puzzle: HuK/July/Clide | sC/MC/GanZi | Jjakji -> Oz -> Leenock aLive: Mvp/Marineking/Curious | Oz/Killer/Happy | Leenock -> Mvp -> Jjakji sC: NesTea/LosirA/asd | Puzzle/MC/GanZi | Mvp -> Leenock -> Jjakji Out of those paths (some are imaginary) definatly Leenock's, MMA's and sC's are harder. Depending on how you look you can also make cases for some of the others.
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On February 05 2012 12:40 ItsMeDomLee wrote: Well played by Hero. Still waiting for him to qualify for Code S though. If only he could get over the 'nerves'...
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Wow, wp Hero, looks like you definitely play better outside the booth!
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On February 05 2012 12:43 Wroshe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 12:26 dragonborn wrote:On February 05 2012 12:23 Wroshe wrote: Even though the series was sort of scrappy it was still entertaining. The excuses people make are sort of hilarious though. If anything this proves even more the current volatility of the scene.
Personally I feel that Jjakji is a bit overhyped even though he has a GSL Code S title. I agree, the finals were very good but his way to the final was not very convincing. In the group stages he lost to Killer and then rebounded with wins over SuperNova and Virus. His secound group stage involved getting stomped by MVP and then getting the walk-over over CoCa into a TvT win over the mediocre Gumiho(TvT Speaking). After that he beat Puzzle, Oz and Leenock to grab the title, those three are of high calibre. Still he had quite an easy path to the finals. Are you serious? Beating Puzzle and Oz to quite easy path to the finals??????? Puzzle and Oz probably #1 #2 Toss players in this scene both have fantastic PvT,and leenock best ZvT along with DongRaeGu. Jjakji's path to finals was quite tought. Yes, I am absolutely serious. He had a very weak first group set (in which he even lost to Killer) and in the second he relied on a walk over to get a second chance against a (definatly at the time) very weak TvTer. Sure Puzzle and Oz are both great players but compare that path against some other paths in that same GSL. Groupstage 1 Group 2 RO8 RO4 Finals Leenock: Ganzi/Polt/Ensnare | MMA/HuK/Nestea | aLive -> Mvp -> Jjakji ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oz: CoCa/TaeJa/NaDa | aLive/Killer/Happy | MMA -> Jjakji -> Leenock Mvp: aLive/Marineking/Curious | Jjakji/GuMiho/CoCa | sC -> Leenock -> Jjakji ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MMA: MC/Ryung/YuGiOh | Leenock/HuK/NesTea | Oz -> Jjakji -> Leenock Puzzle: HuK/July/Clide | sC/MC/GanZi | Jjakji -> Oz -> Leenock aLive: Mvp/Marineking/Curious | Oz/Killer/Happy | Leenock -> Mvp -> Jjakji sC: NesTea/LosirA/asd | Puzzle/MC/GanZi | Mvp -> Leenock -> Jjakji Out of those paths (some are imaginary) definatly Leenock's, MMA's and sC's are harder. Depending on how you look you can also make cases for some of the others. very weak TvTer is GuMiHo? Didnt he crush IMMvp in Code S,how can he have weak TvT? o_O.Losing SangHo doesnt mean anything since you won the whole tournament. whatever,just look at NesTea's GSL July path to finals;Ro32 July,Ro16 Ensnare, Ro8 CoCa,Ro4 HongUn,Final LosirA.
still im saying jjakji's path to final is one of the toughest.
Also jjakji won in new format,which is 10x harder than older formats.
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Oh my word, wasn't expecting HerO to win. Glad to be proven wrong, though. Congrats, HerO!
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