On March 07 2012 08:45 ShinnHachirou wrote: This is not a great pickup for Millenium because Dragon is a cheater. It's on par *IF* CombatEx or Deezer were to join EG...it would devalue EG's name, integrity and everything else that they have worked for. Once a cheater always a cheater.
Fully agreed. Dragon is basically a Terran version of Destiny but with a history of lying and cheating.
True except Dragon is actually skilled unlike Destiny who is a scrub ^^
Dragon is basically a Korean Destiny. The only difference is that Dragon is Korean and that Destiny sometimes says something sensible.
Maybe Dragon took a month off from playing and then decided he wanted to give it another shot. He's not allowed to change his mind?? I think she is just sore from losing a great player/talent who they didn't appreciate enough. We don't know what went on, maybe Dragon wanted to get in the team house and they wouldn't let him. That's gotta be frustrating, I know I'd rather move to a foreign team where you can at least have a chance at making some good money.
On March 07 2012 08:45 ShinnHachirou wrote: This is not a great pickup for Millenium because Dragon is a cheater. It's on par *IF* CombatEx or Deezer were to join EG...it would devalue EG's name, integrity and everything else that they have worked for. Once a cheater always a cheater.
Fully agreed. Dragon is basically a Terran version of Destiny but with a history of lying and cheating.
True except Dragon is actually skilled unlike Destiny who is a scrub ^^
Everyone is saying Dragon is a cheater. Do you know what he did specifically?
On March 07 2012 08:45 ShinnHachirou wrote: This is not a great pickup for Millenium because Dragon is a cheater. It's on par *IF* CombatEx or Deezer were to join EG...it would devalue EG's name, integrity and everything else that they have worked for. Once a cheater always a cheater.
Fully agreed. Dragon is basically a Terran version of Destiny but with a history of lying and cheating.
True except Dragon is actually skilled unlike Destiny who is a scrub ^^
Dragon is basically a Korean Destiny. The only difference is that Dragon is Korean and that Destiny sometimes says something sensible.
I haven't seen enough of dragon's serious games to comment, but I do know that he lost a bo3 to combatex, which shouldn't happen to any good pro.
Once again I will state that I really think this is a jump to conclusion and somewhat of a misunderstanding. Please do not talk badly about Jessica or Dragon because they are both wonderful people. They are both passionate people who are dedicated to what they do, and miscommunication can often cause problems in relationships. Please be patient and the issue will be addressed soon.
On March 07 2012 15:13 CuteZergling wrote: Slayers Jessica tweets:
he left our team because he will play the SC2 for hobby. he lied to me, Boxer & Team slayers. I really disappointed him. other ex-slayers guys left with their will. they dont lie to me at least. Dont have a mind U were "slayers" member. stop to lie anymore. remember? i made Ur ID. Deject....
Is this about Dragon?
Oh, you beat me to it.
Here's a direct link for those who want to check it out:
If this is directed at dragon then Jessica is shameless. How can you bash someone that leaves your team? Just take the high road and don't bring the dirty laundry out into the public. I lost a lot or respect for Jessica.
Jessica has a point though. When dragon left, he said he wanted to play sc2 as a hobby. Jessica has no problem with players leaving. She just wants honesty. If dragon said he was leaving to look for another team, then Jessica would have no problem with it.
This does not make it ok to bash a former player through twitter. This type of behavior is simply unacceptable by someone as recognizable as Jessica. She should know better.
One can't really take both sides of any argument because I'm a huge fan of Dragon and of course Jessica/Boxer, but I have to take Boxer/Jessica side on this one. I have to agree with Jessica expressing her feelings and letting all the fans know why Dragon left Slayers. Unfortunateley, this makes her look a little unprofessional by using her Twitter account as a way of spreading the news. However, Dragon did lie to her and the team...this is something that anyone would be upset about.
If I were Jessica I wouldn't have held back. Dragon made a pretty bad move on his part. I'm sad to say that he may lose my viewership/support in the future =\
On March 07 2012 15:13 CuteZergling wrote: Slayers Jessica tweets:
he left our team because he will play the SC2 for hobby. he lied to me, Boxer & Team slayers. I really disappointed him. other ex-slayers guys left with their will. they dont lie to me at least. Dont have a mind U were "slayers" member. stop to lie anymore. remember? i made Ur ID. Deject....
If this is directed at dragon then Jessica is shameless. How can you bash someone that leaves your team? Just take the high road and don't bring the dirty laundry out into the public. I lost a lot or respect for Jessica.
Jessica has a point though. When dragon left, he said he wanted to play sc2 as a hobby. Jessica has no problem with players leaving. She just wants honesty. If dragon said he was leaving to look for another team, then Jessica would have no problem with it.
This does not make it ok to bash a former player through twitter. This type of behavior is simply unacceptable by someone as recognizable as Jessica. She should know better.
One can't really take both sides of any argument because I'm a huge fan of Dragon and of course Jessica/Boxer, but I have to take Boxer/Jessica side on this one. I have to agree with Jessica expressing her feelings and letting all the fans know why Dragon left Slayers. Unfortunateley, this makes her look a little unprofessional by using her Twitter account as a way of spreading the news. However, Dragon did lie to her and the team...this is something that anyone would be upset about.
If I were Jessica I wouldn't have held back. Dragon made a pretty bad move on his part. I'm sad to say that he may lose my viewership/support in the future =\
Drama drama drama
If you follow Dragon's stream, there are several times in which he pointed out that he was going to be quitting the professional gaming. Even during the recruitment process, there was confusion because fans contacted different teams trying to help Dragon get recruited within that one month time frame that he allocated to himself. Just stating that out there. Having said that, the current viewpoint with Jessica's comment is very one-sided at the moment. I will talk to Dragon and Millenium as well regarding this issue about posting the interview in Korean so that it is more readily accessible.
On March 07 2012 08:45 ShinnHachirou wrote: This is not a great pickup for Millenium because Dragon is a cheater. It's on par *IF* CombatEx or Deezer were to join EG...it would devalue EG's name, integrity and everything else that they have worked for. Once a cheater always a cheater.
Fully agreed. Dragon is basically a Terran version of Destiny but with a history of lying and cheating.
True except Dragon is actually skilled unlike Destiny who is a scrub ^^
Everyone is saying Dragon is a cheater. Do you know what he did specifically?
ehh, cleared out my post because I dont have patience to argue over the net. i dont like having an e-penis and tend to know how to control my testosterone.
On March 07 2012 08:45 ShinnHachirou wrote: This is not a great pickup for Millenium because Dragon is a cheater. It's on par *IF* CombatEx or Deezer were to join EG...it would devalue EG's name, integrity and everything else that they have worked for. Once a cheater always a cheater.
Fully agreed. Dragon is basically a Terran version of Destiny but with a history of lying and cheating.
lol all the clash people are so butt hurt because of the katu incident. im sure you arent biased at all are you? lolol
On March 07 2012 15:31 Lifter wrote: Maybe Dragon took a month off from playing and then decided he wanted to give it another shot. He's not allowed to change his mind?? I think she is just sore from losing a great player/talent who they didn't appreciate enough. We don't know what went on, maybe Dragon wanted to get in the team house and they wouldn't let him. That's gotta be frustrating, I know I'd rather move to a foreign team where you can at least have a chance at making some good money.
In this case, maybe he should have gone to SlayerS first and told them this. I am guessing, based on Jessicas reaction, he didn't.
On March 07 2012 08:45 ShinnHachirou wrote: This is not a great pickup for Millenium because Dragon is a cheater. It's on par *IF* CombatEx or Deezer were to join EG...it would devalue EG's name, integrity and everything else that they have worked for. Once a cheater always a cheater.
Fully agreed. Dragon is basically a Terran version of Destiny but with a history of lying and cheating.
True except Dragon is actually skilled unlike Destiny who is a scrub ^^
Everyone is saying Dragon is a cheater. Do you know what he did specifically?
Okay here is the just of it. He was "accused" of stream cheating a while back in an online tournament just because he "blindly countered" a players build who was supposed to be superior to him.
So basically he scouted his opponent, killed them, and won. He was then immediately accused of stream cheating and maphacking by the opposing player.
I honestly think its a joke and if I was dragon, I wouldnt have apologized just to get people off of my back. And if dragon really did do it, do you think he would have the balls to attempt to join another team? No. Because dragon is not stupid and knows the consequences.
And as far as him leaving SlayerS with the intentions of going to a foreign team... those weren't his original intentions. He was planning on returning to work. Alot of his fans wanted him to join a foreign team though as he would benefit from it greatly and would more than likely be in the team's Team House (which in this case is millenium) since he wasnt able to get real practice in the SlayerS house. Its the same reason golden and sleep left but no one is bashing them about it. so chill the fuck out, he's got this
I dunno Liquipedia and it's sources seem to tell an entirely different story about that incident and his reputation so *shrug* - While this is the first time I've actually seen merit in the complaints about Jessica being unprofessional/irresponsible and while I enjoy watching Dragon play, I have to admit that Jessica seems to be right about him. :/
Also one thing people need to realize is that changing ones mind does not equal lying. If he originally left slayers in order to work on his career but then changed his mind it doesn't make him a liar unless he planned on doing that all along which you have no way of proving since its all in his mind.
Doesnt surprise me though that Jessica would get all dramatic and butthurt though as that seems to be what she does best/most often. Thats just the price you pay for having a female in a high stress managerial position.
On March 07 2012 15:31 Lifter wrote: Maybe Dragon took a month off from playing and then decided he wanted to give it another shot. He's not allowed to change his mind?? I think she is just sore from losing a great player/talent who they didn't appreciate enough. We don't know what went on, maybe Dragon wanted to get in the team house and they wouldn't let him. That's gotta be frustrating, I know I'd rather move to a foreign team where you can at least have a chance at making some good money.
In this case, maybe he should have gone to SlayerS first and told them this. I am guessing, based on Jessicas reaction, he didn't.
But why should he? He was done with Slayers for a month, and then decided to join a team after initially thinking he would focus on work. That would be like me going to my old job I quit a while back to get permission to work for a different company even though I haven't worked at my old job for 6 months.
Normally I side with Jessica and Slayers, but this just seems kinda... odd. He left the team and was no longer affiliated with them, he doesn't owe them anything. She said he "were" a Slayers member (meaning was obviously), but that's the thing, he isn't anymore so why should he have to discuss his personal dealings with them? I'm not sure if Jessica's references to his lying are to do with this or other matters, but if it's this then I think she's way off. He wasn't lying when he said he quit. He actually did quit but then he had a change of heart. That happens a lot with anyone.
On March 07 2012 15:13 CuteZergling wrote: Slayers Jessica tweets:
he left our team because he will play the SC2 for hobby. he lied to me, Boxer & Team slayers. I really disappointed him. other ex-slayers guys left with their will. they dont lie to me at least. Dont have a mind U were "slayers" member. stop to lie anymore. remember? i made Ur ID. Deject....
If this is directed at dragon then Jessica is shameless. How can you bash someone that leaves your team? Just take the high road and don't bring the dirty laundry out into the public. I lost a lot or respect for Jessica.
Jessica has a point though. When dragon left, he said he wanted to play sc2 as a hobby. Jessica has no problem with players leaving. She just wants honesty. If dragon said he was leaving to look for another team, then Jessica would have no problem with it.
This does not make it ok to bash a former player through twitter. This type of behavior is simply unacceptable by someone as recognizable as Jessica. She should know better.
One can't really take both sides of any argument because I'm a huge fan of Dragon and of course Jessica/Boxer, but I have to take Boxer/Jessica side on this one. I have to agree with Jessica expressing her feelings and letting all the fans know why Dragon left Slayers. Unfortunateley, this makes her look a little unprofessional by using her Twitter account as a way of spreading the news. However, Dragon did lie to her and the team...this is something that anyone would be upset about.
If I were Jessica I wouldn't have held back. Dragon made a pretty bad move on his part. I'm sad to say that he may lose my viewership/support in the future =\
Drama drama drama
If you follow Dragon's stream, there are several times in which he pointed out that he was going to be quitting the professional gaming. Even during the recruitment process, there was confusion because fans contacted different teams trying to help Dragon get recruited within that one month time frame that he allocated to himself. Just stating that out there. Having said that, the current viewpoint with Jessica's comment is very one-sided at the moment. I will talk to Dragon and Millenium as well regarding this issue about posting the interview in Korean so that it is more readily accessible.
Thanks a lot..I really hope this matter gets resolved.
gratz, love watching dragon, he isnt afraid to try fun stuff and entertain his viewers. more interesting than 95% of other streams that just sit there like a donus and just play. He will bring many fan to mill, and when he plays seriously, he does well.
On March 07 2012 08:45 ShinnHachirou wrote: This is not a great pickup for Millenium because Dragon is a cheater. It's on par *IF* CombatEx or Deezer were to join EG...it would devalue EG's name, integrity and everything else that they have worked for. Once a cheater always a cheater.
Fully agreed. Dragon is basically a Terran version of Destiny but with a history of lying and cheating.
True except Dragon is actually skilled unlike Destiny who is a scrub ^^
Everyone is saying Dragon is a cheater. Do you know what he did specifically?
Okay here is the just of it. He was "accused" of stream cheating a while back in an online tournament just because he "blindly countered" a players build who was supposed to be superior to him.
So basically he scouted his opponent, killed them, and won. He was then immediately accused of stream cheating and maphacking by the opposing player.
I honestly think its a joke and if I was dragon, I wouldnt have apologized just to get people off of my back. And if dragon really did do it, do you think he would have the balls to attempt to join another team? No. Because dragon is not stupid and knows the consequences.
And as far as him leaving SlayerS with the intentions of going to a foreign team... those weren't his original intentions. He was planning on returning to work. Alot of his fans wanted him to join a foreign team though as he would benefit from it greatly and would more than likely be in the team's Team House (which in this case is millenium) since he wasnt able to get real practice in the SlayerS house. Its the same reason golden and sleep left but no one is bashing them about it. so chill the fuck out, he's got this
This post is ridiculous- you state a bunch of your opinions as though they're fact. If he said "he was sorry for what he had done" the mostly likely explanation is that he did cheat. You think a pro like TheSTC is just going to make an accusation like that lightly? You think Cella is just going to expel him from Werra for no reason?
Also unless you are a mind reader you don't know what his "original intentions" were when he left Slayers- this is all speculation on your part, and the part about him basing his decisions on what his fans wanted sounds pretty far fetched to me.
The guy deserves a second chance and it's great a foreign team has picked him up but fan boys blindly defending him and lashing out at everyone is just lame.