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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On March 18 2012 00:56 Dirk Hardpec wrote: No matter how much I think about it, Drazerk's successful shooting says nothing about his alignment. It is a reasonable approach for almost every faction except for town, and town is the faction most prone to take unreasonable approaches to the game.
What I find more interesting is the fact that he claims to be third party. No matter how you look at it, the only faction I can possibly think of benefitting from being thought of as third party is mafia. It is strictly inefficient for town to be thought of as third party as that will lead to an eventual lynch of that person, you cannot go into situation where one lynch will lose the game carrying a claimed third party on your back. This is however perfectly acceptable for someone who just wants to extend his life cycle for a while, ie: mafia.
I guess it is also possible that he is indeed a third party and is trying to make an alliance with us, but it seems very unlikely as most third parties tend to be at severe disadvantage when they get figured out.
In sense, it makes no sense from a balance standpoint to create a third party in a game, and then make it possible for us to leave that third party alive, might as well be town then.
This is why I don't believe his claim, I think Drazerk is scum and I want to lynch him. I guess I can't say I disbelieve his role claim as the flavor fits, however I do disbelieve his alignment claim.
##Vote Drazerk
Look at this post! He won't budge an inch! Needless to say I've found our day 1 lynch. He tries to blend in, But he has committed sin! This was too easy; it was a cinch.
##Vote: Dirk Hardpec
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United Kingdom31255 Posts
sigh...
I have the anger core two random people who are voting for me when I am lynched will die
I will not be passing it to someone so you can lynch me so if you are going to kill me do it via a bullet.
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On March 18 2012 03:26 MidnightGladius wrote: @gonzaw:
Kenpachi's also been scattering the town's concentration with his glados voting and the nonsensical party with blazinghand. I don't like that at all, but I take it that this is what he usually does, and I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. If he doesn't actually start contributing soon, or continues to attempt to derail, then that could quickly change.
Wiggles is making decent sense to me, but I wish he'd read a bit more carefully. He's already slipped up once in terms of comprehension (thinking Drazerk had given an item instead of using it). His latest analysis is solid. That wasn't me, that was Gonzaw. Ironic.
Can someone explain to me why people want to vote in Velinath as Wheatley? He was the target initially proposed by Drazerk, and that's where the votes started, but I have no idea why they continued.
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United Kingdom31255 Posts
Oh and I got it when I killed VE so say thanks to drazerk
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On Wiggles you must keep your eye So hard to tell when he is to lie He's a powerful player Do not make him mayor It's hard to read him, but give it a try...
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United Kingdom31255 Posts
On March 18 2012 03:31 Foolishness wrote: On Wiggles you must keep your eye So hard to tell when he is to lie He's a powerful player Do not make him mayor It's hard to read him, but give it a try...
You are clearly not reading the game
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@hassy: There's a huge bandwagon, because he's third party. Scum agrees. But that doesn't mean he's a bad lynch choice.
@Wiggles: You misunderstood. It was not about directing actions. It was more about the possibility of the player betraying us later on, regardless of his alignment.
gonzaw:
@On March 18 2012 03:16 gonzaw wrote: I think this Drazerk thing is distracting us too much.
I'll just ask this to Drazerk, and hopefully nothing more so we can continue trying to hunt scum:
-Can you tell us your EXACT process of thought in every action you've taken? As in, what you were thinking when you shot VE, what you were thinking when you chose to elect Velinath, what you were thinking when you decided to post that you wanted items, etc. Explain those inconsistencies found in your posts -How exactly does your day-shot work? Will you let us control your shot on D2-D3 and so on? If your role can't do that, state the exact reasons for doing so, and state EVERY restriction your role has. -If you want to live, I suggest you let town control the use of your DT item -What item did you use on Wiggles? Explain that thoroughly, and explain your thought process as well (which relates to the 1st point). For instance, why did you choose to use it on Wiggles?
If you don't give us ALL the info we want, stop cloggin up the thread, stop confusing town, and let us control your shots/items, then you should die. If you DO everything of the above, I think we could give you the useless items (like those lemons people are talking about) every once in a while, like a treat.
You do know that if you don't do everything we tell you to, we lynch you right? You will have to hope scum kill Gandalf for you, and that you behave well enough to receive the useless items.
This already contradicts itself. You say don't want discussion on Drazerk and then go on and make a huge paragraph with questions generating discussions. Your "this is why Drazerk is town" post was just so naive. Think a little. Finally you say, you'd rather lynch third or scum than town. Well guess what, Drazerk indicated quite clearly he is not town.
Other than that you just ask questions to EVERYONE. It's freaking day 1. You imagine everybody already has like 3 scum reads?
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@foolishness: there's a lynch AND an election.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On March 18 2012 03:34 Jayjay54 wrote: @foolishness: there's a lynch AND an election. I have fulfilled my role, I voted twice, If you don't read the thread, you will pay the price. Drazerk is quite silly I think he may be a hillbilly I hope we can cut his body into a big slice.
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Foolishness has gained +5 Science Collaboration Points for Creative Thinking.
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On March 18 2012 03:28 Drazerk wrote: sigh...
I have the anger core two random people who are voting for me when I am lynched will die
I will not be passing it to someone so you can lynch me so if you are going to kill me do it via a bullet.
now it's just getting sad. You already had a DT item, now you have a second one which happens to kill people lynching you? really? try to be more creative.
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United Kingdom10823 Posts
@jayjay: I agree that its not a bad lynch choice. I just hate that all discussion is about Drazerk. We need a second candidate, or we're wasting an entire day. I'm gonna read through every filter and try to find another option.
Also, is Foolishness supposed to be Edward Lear?
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On March 18 2012 03:50 Hassybaby wrote: @jayjay: I agree that its not a bad lynch choice. I just hate that all discussion is about Drazerk. We need a second candidate, or we're wasting an entire day. I'm gonna read through every filter and try to find another option.
Also, is Foolishness supposed to be Edward Lear? Lots of shit will happen in this town. So before you can show a frown I ask of you don't look for clues and to Chezinu I am not brown.
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On March 18 2012 03:20 Foolishness wrote: Drazerk is certainly playing the fool Do not elect him! That would be uncool, Velinath is a good choice and from it we will rejoice Cause Drazerk will use us like tools
##Elect: Velinath
Huh? Do you seriously think we should believe your post restriction is to post in verse? There's a guy from UG that did the exact same thing in an Insane Game. He was scum, but never posted anything of value because he "had" to write his posts as poems. As you can see, that was completely bullshit.
I expect great things from you, I know how "good" you are as town. If you fail to do so I'll held you accountable, and you are not doing a good job by now.
So either cut this verse crap, or go get a thesaurus and give more reasons and thoughts behind your posts.
On March 18 2012 03:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 03:26 MidnightGladius wrote: @gonzaw:
Kenpachi's also been scattering the town's concentration with his glados voting and the nonsensical party with blazinghand. I don't like that at all, but I take it that this is what he usually does, and I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. If he doesn't actually start contributing soon, or continues to attempt to derail, then that could quickly change.
Wiggles is making decent sense to me, but I wish he'd read a bit more carefully. He's already slipped up once in terms of comprehension (thinking Drazerk had given an item instead of using it). His latest analysis is solid. That wasn't me, that was Gonzaw. Ironic. Can someone explain to me why people want to vote in Velinath as Wheatley? He was the target initially proposed by Drazerk, and that's where the votes started, but I have no idea why they continued.
People are voting Velinath because there is no evidence that he is scum, at least taking into account his behaviour.
Wiggles, what are your thoughts on other people?
Also people, what are your thoughts on me? Do some of you think I'm scum, or just "not bright", or null perhaps?
@Drazerk:
Please answer my questions.
You are trying to survive right now by blackmailing town, instead of HELPING IT which was the reason you choose to claim. You know you will die eventually if you keep this up, right? You are playing against your win con (if you are in fact what you say you are). *sigh* You may as well be scum though.
Also, I find it weird that you could even CLAIM your role. Your role is similar to Batman's/Catwoman's one from AC, in the way that you "leave" the game after you kill a specific role. Those roles couldn't claim they were Bat/CW, so why can you?
Either way, I want discussions on other people as well (although this Day 1 isn't shaping up badly)
On March 18 2012 03:33 Jayjay54 wrote:This already contradicts itself. You say don't want discussion on Drazerk and then go on and make a huge paragraph with questions generating discussions. Your "this is why Drazerk is town" post was just so naive. Think a little. Finally you say, you'd rather lynch third or scum than town. Well guess what, Drazerk indicated quite clearly he is not town.
Other than that you just ask questions to EVERYONE. It's freaking day 1. You imagine everybody already has like 3 scum reads?
Can you fucking stop this "lol you are naive" "lol you are so bad" crap? You are just discrediting me, even though you don't think I'm scum.
No, I didn't want to "generate discussion", I just wanted: -Drazerk to answer those questions (just as I wanted every other player to answer the other questions) -People to just post their opinion on Drazerk, and nothing else.
I just don't want 3 or more pages wasted on spamming the thread about him like before. Let him answer the questions, and if he doesn't do it acceptable we kill him eventually.
I said why I asked EVERYONE those questions, I'm keeping tabs on who answers them and who doens't, so I keep tabs on who is lurking/inactive or not, and we get more info on the players that do indeed answer.
Tell me Jay, what are your thoughts on the remaining players? You are indeed tunneling Drazerk (with a good justification though), but you are not talking about other things.
This is Day 1, we need information from other people as well, and we need to prod them into posting them. Don't just say "Okay, Drazerk is scum, lynch him" and waste 24 hours doing nothing.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
Though it may be strange how this appears, I think so far I have been quite clear. I speak my thoughts, don't be such a snot. I assure you that you have nothing to fear.
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United Kingdom31255 Posts
On March 18 2012 03:48 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 03:28 Drazerk wrote: sigh...
I have the anger core two random people who are voting for me when I am lynched will die
I will not be passing it to someone so you can lynch me so if you are going to kill me do it via a bullet. now it's just getting sad. You already had a DT item, now you have a second one which happens to kill people lynching you? really? try to be more creative.
Tell that to your hosts if your not happy with the game
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On March 18 2012 03:55 Foolishness wrote: Though it may be strange how this appears, I think so far I have been quite clear. I speak my thoughts, don't be such a snot. I assure you that you have nothing to fear.
That doesn't mean you give any valid reasoning behind your "thoughts". You may "speak your thoughts"; but you won't make cases, you won't make analysis, etc.
Your only reason for voting Dirk was "He tries to blend in", nothing else. I can see what would make Dirk suspicious though, but you won't do shit by posting like you are. It also makes it easier for you to hide if you are scum.
I want you to give more reasoning behind your posts, not just "speak your thoughts".
Also another thing is that I get the feeling your post restriction is bullshit (I think the mods even acknowledged that by giving you points, I doubt they will give someone points for just following their post restriction, since the alternative is a modkill).
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You need to cut back on your posts Gonzaw. Asking the entire town by name for reads isn't helping anyone, focus on making your own reads. Foolishness has been clear and I think his posting is pretty awesome despite the fact that it's probably not his post restriction. I think you're town and you've done a good job of showing it but I don't want to read through some of your spammy posts.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On March 18 2012 04:08 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 03:55 Foolishness wrote: Though it may be strange how this appears, I think so far I have been quite clear. I speak my thoughts, don't be such a snot. I assure you that you have nothing to fear. That doesn't mean you give any valid reasoning behind your "thoughts". You may "speak your thoughts"; but you won't make cases, you won't make analysis, etc. Your only reason for voting Dirk was "He tries to blend in", nothing else. I can see what would make Dirk suspicious though, but you won't do shit by posting like you are. It also makes it easier for you to hide if you are scum. I want you to give more reasoning behind your posts, not just "speak your thoughts". Also another thing is that I get the feeling your post restriction is bullshit (I think the mods even acknowledged that by giving you points, I doubt they will give someone points for just following their post restriction, since the alternative is a modkill). Let me elaborate then on our dear Dirk. He makes one bad post, then proceeds to lurk. He says nothing new He doesn't speak his view And if he's a smurf he's certainly a jerk.
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gonzaw, so far I think that you're asking a lot of questions and posting actively, which is good. However, you're somewhat inundating the thread with them, and that means that a lot of them end up unanswered or forgotten. You might have more success, if you focus your questions more, and only ask a few of the most relevant at a time. Right now, I'm feeling better about you than a lot of other people, though it would be nice if you separated your own thoughts from the questions so it makes them easier to read.
Foolishness is a poet, and don't we all know it. Speaking in rhyme, guilty of no crime, Man of smarts and wit.
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