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1st You need to talk, sing, interact with the audience 2nd You need a soothing voice 3rd You need to have a specific sense of humor 4th Be unique do something different 5th You need a degree of luck to get noticed
Ohh and being good at the game helps to except if you are like really good at the other things I have listed.
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On April 05 2012 14:19 Orracle wrote: The problem becomes not how to keep your viewers, it's how to get them. You could have an amazing personality, constant interaction with viewers, funny, etc, but that is only going to help you retain your viewers. The problem is getting them to click on your stream, opposed to the other 150 streams. Well if you basically deserve to be featured (in terms of that people would actually watch you). You need to do something try to run an event, try to get someone more popular to promote you, ask if you can cast events and promote yourself while doing so, etc etc.
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On April 05 2012 07:26 pPingu wrote:Get really good at the game, get some fans or do this for insta 10k viewers + Show Spoiler +
LOL
who is that at 4:48?
and do you think he's really that hyper or is he doing that just for fans xD
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What streamers are there that aren't good that get a lot of attention? Pretty much no one besides big name casters. You can have someone like Avilo or Destiny who aren't super good but get attention through personality but they're still quite good compared to the average TL streamer. You just need to be really good at the game to be a relevant streamer in my opinion.
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A few tips based on which streams are popular nowadays: 1: Be passionate. This means getting upset when you lose, webcam+mic is a MUST. 2: Regular streaming times. The more you stream, the more people will check you out, and the more will become regular watchers. 3: Be GOOD. Not many people want to watch you if you're below GM. Below Masters you will probably get no viewers at all. 4: Interact with viewers. Answer questions, play games with them, coach for free, etc. 5: You will be guaranteed viewers if you win/compete in notable events, even daily/weekly cups help your exposure. 6: Be female. If you are male, get your GF/sister/whatever on stream and get her to act interested in the game.
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First you get the money, then you get the power, then you get the woman viewers.
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Get a schedule, so people know whether you're on or not just by looking at the clock, and don't need to have to look for you in the sea of streamers
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personally, if you aren't the best, i wont watch you. why drink grape juice when there is free wine? so, my suggestion to you is switch to 2v2 and play a lot. its not like you have any real competition for 2v2 streaming.
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I feel like this topic is not bounded to SC2; it applies to all streams here on TL.
First of all, if people don't know who you are, then nobody will visit your channel unless they randomly stumble upon your channel by accident. How are you going to advertise yourself to gain audience? That is up to you, but make sure you follow TL's guidelines.
When people start viewing your stream, how are you going to make sure those fans return for the second round of viewing? Third time? Many times? That is the basic question that you want to ask yourself.
Personal Story: I'm D+/C- in iCCup, which means I'm nearly not good enough to get featured as "Player". However, my original goal was to entertain the fans as much as possible. Sometimes I went past the border line of being sane (but it was my own choice), but in the end I made my audience have a good laugh and they wanted to come back, even if I am bad at the game. Staying active and interacting with fans not only makes the fans want to come back for more, but also makes me fun because now I'm having social interactions instead of just playing the game.
IMO being good at the game will help you at getting viewers, but if you offer something unique that attracts viewers, then they'll come to your stream and take a look.
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This isn't true for everyone but to get featured/be popular you should be pro level . or near pro level and a community personality(destiny).
Skill carries the most weight in the SC community though
Personally if I'm going to spend any of my day watching a stream its usually only the very best (Marineking, DRG, MC. etc) These are the only streams that really interest me, otherwise I will be watching a tourney or catching up on the most interesting vods.
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I think the best way is to take a semester or two off of college to focus on going pro. If you have a dream you should do it no matter what, or whats the point of living? Good luck to anyone trying to do it.
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The two things I look at are the description in the stream list and the quality of the stream. Something like "Hi I'm John, Masters level terran player, I will be streaming my games with music and commentary" is totally boring and I'd never click that. Something like "Masters terran, watch my sick tvt mech play" at least tells me something substantial about the stream.
As for quality, it has to be at least as good as any of the korean players (which isn't as good on average as any of the players like the EG guys, destiny, trump, etc). Personally for me, if the game sounds are as clear to me on stream as they are when i play, it's worth sticking around for a bit.
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I get the strong feeling that this is mostly, if not all about advertising your stream. I don't find anything wrong with that but just be honest about it. As for your stream. Quality is pretty good When you switch overlays your cameras contrast is terrible though. It may just be the lighting. Mic is scratchy, may just be too close, may need a better one. Other than that just be interesting at all times, there's good chunks of time when you're just reading team liquid and mumblings incoherently, no one wants to watch that.
Sorry If I'm coming off as a dick, just being honest with you.
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Oh wow, so many comments! I've read through it all and I figured I'd comment some of them!
First of all, @HuShang, cheers for the well written advice! Even though it sounds very general I will try my very best to apply it to my stream!
On April 05 2012 07:23 sAfuRos wrote: I think the biggest hurdle is getting up to, say, a hundred viewers. Most non-featured's are stuck at sub-10 viewers. It's kind of hard to expand your viewerbase at that point, unless we are all doing it wrong :/
I think this is the most hard part for a broadcaster aswell. Becuase I can imagine that if you enter a stream and nothing is happned that second and you see that its only 10 viewers, you will leave.
@pPingu LOL, just LOL on that youtube clip.. who knows I might go crazy sometimes... it totally gave me some ideas atleast!
About singing, yeh.. maybe I will try that aswell.. also I'll try to get a schedule going later today, just so people know when Im online.
@NoctemSC I am not trying to just advertise my stream, it is however a bonus. The problem with the camera is that its not of the best quality. Mic is scratchy and music might be less of good quality becuase of the quite recent change to xsplit not allowing best audio broadcast. I've been considering to buy the premium thingy soon though. Also, about the TL part and such, I believe you caught me when I just woke up and wanted to reply here in this thread. And it's cool, you aint a dick. Im glad you replied!
Cheers Dan
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Well... the main things you need in order to get a popular live stream are quite simple in theory, yet they are quite hard to actually bring to practice.
A) You need to have a good personality. You need to interact with your viewers and let them be involved. B) It needs to be regular. This is the only way that you will get a gradual increase in viewers over time. C) Obviously, it needs to be entertaining. There are hundreds of other streams out there, what does yours have to offer over theirs? Whether it be in your play or your personality, try to make it entertaining.
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On April 05 2012 19:08 ProxyKnoxy wrote: Well... the main things you need in order to get a popular live stream are quite simple in theory, yet they are quite hard to actually bring to practice.
A) You need to have a good personality. You need to interact with your viewers and let them be involved. B) It needs to be regular. This is the only way that you will get a gradual increase in viewers over time. C) Obviously, it needs to be entertaining. There are hundreds of other streams out there, what does yours have to offer over theirs? Whether it be in your play or your personality, try to make it entertaining.
You made me lol But yeh, thanks for the advice, totally gonna work on that!
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i would love to see what race is played on the stream before having to open the stream and it sucks that i have to open 10 before i find a working stream with the streamer playing zerg
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On April 05 2012 06:26 Grapefruit wrote: a) Flawless quality. b) Good content. c) Regular streaming times.
Amen.
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and do you think he's really that hyper or is he doing that just for fans xD
I bet it is just for the fans. Its the funniest thing I've ever seen though, and if there was an SC2 streamer that acted like that I would watch them constantly.
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On April 05 2012 20:31 Cirqueenflex wrote: i would love to see what race is played on the stream before having to open the stream and it sucks that i have to open 10 before i find a working stream with the streamer playing zerg
Maybe it is possible to get a [T] next to the name on the streaming list? I'll look into it! EDIT: If you click on the "Streams" link on the upper right of the webpage you get a list with all the streams, on that list you can see the race instantly without having to open up the stream.
On April 05 2012 20:34 yeaR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 06:26 Grapefruit wrote: a) Flawless quality. b) Good content. c) Regular streaming times. Amen.
a) It's quite hard to always get flawless quality. I think my video quality is okay but the audio has some issues becuase of xsplit "nerf" to sound options for non-buyers. I am about to buy though I think! b) What is "Good content" for You? c) Gonna throw up a schedule within an hour, as this has been requested by several people.
On April 05 2012 20:39 ZackAttack wrote:Show nested quote +and do you think he's really that hyper or is he doing that just for fans xD I bet it is just for the fans. Its the funniest thing I've ever seen though, and if there was an SC2 streamer that acted like that I would watch them constantly.
I think it is not only that he is hyper, but that he is puting so much energy into it, this is something I will definitely keep in mind while streaming! Thanks for the eye-opener!
Cheers Dan
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