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Medrea
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On April 09 2012 10:26 Frumpysnoo wrote: Noted! Antec 900 is off the list and I'll just settle for a budget case and upgrade later on. Not looking forward to that hassle though.. But for the budget case, Antec 300 or the Haf 912? Mind you it's just for the parts listed and the single GPU. Whichever is cheaper the day you order, if it's a temporary thing. I don't think either one will really make a significant difference to ease of transplanting later, and they're both similarly ok-ish as basic cases. | ||
Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
I mean, it's probably not a huge deal not to be able to mount 2.5" drives or have cable management holes or a CPU backplate cutout, or some other details of hard drive installation and so on, but it doesn't really cost you anything extra these days to get these kinds of features. | ||
Alryk
United States2718 Posts
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On April 09 2012 15:16 Alryk wrote: I think its important to mention that GTX580 is no longer a good choice right? Unless the prices dropped. The 680 is way better obviously, and the 7970 and 7950 should both be better for their prices. When was a 580 ever a good choice? Without extreme OCs on a 580, SLI 460s from the early generation could match or out-perform it, and the later ones smashed it into the floor, for less. Single 570s cost a lot less for only slightly less performance, 560Ti SLI smoked it at a similar price. A single 580 was only good for making money off prebuilts, IMO. | ||
Alryk
United States2718 Posts
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Rachnar
France1526 Posts
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VoirDire
Sweden1923 Posts
A GTX 550 Ti (can be found for <$100) and performs better at starcraft 2 than a GTX 590 due to higher clockspeed. Use an Intel CPU like i7 3820 or i5 2500K. The boxed heatsink is pretty decent and you don't need more unless you're overclocking, better to spend that money on a slightly better processor. | ||
skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Wabbit
United States1028 Posts
On April 10 2012 02:58 VoirDire wrote: + Show Spoiler + For blizzard games (which aren't optimized for multithreading and other hardware features) you'd get the best performance per cost with processors and graphics cards with high clock speeds. A GTX 550 Ti (can be found for <$100) and performs better at starcraft 2 than a GTX 590 due to higher clockspeed. Use an Intel CPU like i7 3820 or i5 2500K. The boxed heatsink is pretty decent and you don't need more unless you're overclocking, better to spend that money on a slightly better processor @skyR he's not trolling, just does not understand some things about the topic. Let me explain it to you, VoirDire. - your first point is sort of on the right track, but you apply it wrong. If you have otherwise identical CPU's (identical architecture,etc) , the one with the higher clock speed will perform better in SC2 even if it has fewer cores (e.g. Phenom II x4 980 vs x6 1055T) - you can't compare a 550ti to a GTX 590, which has *way* more identical cores, 192 vs 1024 (and you can actually somewhat compare them here since they're the almost exact same architecture, with the 590 having much higher memory bandwidth as well as SLI quirks). Clock speed is one of the least useful numbers for comparing graphics cards. Even the exact same card with higher clock speeds may not perform the same % better as the % clock speed increase due to various reasons. - that tomshardware chart for GPU's in SC2 proves that the game is severely CPU limited, otherwise $500+ cards wouldn't get essentially the same FPS as $120 cards. The average FPS is higher for higher-end cards because they push very high maximum FPS in situations which are not CPU-limited (when there are very few units). I'm pretty sure 98% of the cards on that list would get the same minimum frame rate (and I'm pretty sure everyone cares about minimum frame rate a hell of a lot more than about maximum) due to CPU limitations. If you look at the chart, anything above the HD 7750 performs the same for all useful scenarios (as I just explained). Side note, HD 7850 seems to have a driver quirk as it should be higher than 77xx cards. - while the stock heatsink is indeed.... acceptable (it was perfectly fine for me, not noisy, not TOO hot running)... there really isn't anywhere else to spend on the CPU above a 2500k or 3820 since more cores don't help. Only overclocking does at this point (technically, a 3930K or 3960X are slightly better but it would be borderline insane to spend an extra $300-700 for 2-3 FPS instead of $80 on a good heatsink for way more FPS. | ||
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