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On the topic of (possibly) lacking open bracket coverage: I think the problem is rather that the tournament is too big to be covered. I mean, GSL is a much much much smaller tournament player-wise, but they still manage to produce content for several hours 5 days a week for like 1.5 months. With open brackets of 100+ players and double elimination brackets which increases the amount of games massively, its just not possible to cover. Tournaments have evolved into running first 2, the 3 or 4, and now up to 6 streams at once, but even then its not enough. And the solution is hardly to run 15 streams, there comes a point when its too many and I think we're about to reach that point already.
Im not saying the solution would be smaller tournaments though. Having an open bracket is good for many reasons. Im just saying that you cant really expect a very well covered tournaments when its being played in 3 days and consists of a simply massive amount of games and possible storylines. You probably have to choose one or the other, and IPL chose the large format.
I do agree that foreigners performed better than many try to make it look though, that part was well written.
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United Kingdom14464 Posts
A great article, nice job, but the most important part of it is Illusion being a motherfucking Slayers destroying monster, and getting pretty much ignored for the whole weekend, he deserves the attention he's getting in this article, and then some.
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This was a very well-argued piece.
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On April 20 2012 20:57 Kreb wrote: On the topic of (possibly) lacking open bracket coverage: I think the problem is rather that the tournament is too big to be covered. I mean, GSL is a much much much smaller tournament player-wise, but they still manage to produce content for several hours 5 days a week for like 1.5 months. With open brackets of 100+ players and double elimination brackets which increases the amount of games massively, its just not possible to cover. Tournaments have evolved into running first 2, the 3 or 4, and now up to 6 streams at once, but even then its not enough. And the solution is hardly to run 15 streams, there comes a point when its too many and I think we're about to reach that point already.
Im not saying the solution would be smaller tournaments though. Having an open bracket is good for many reasons. Im just saying that you cant really expect a very well covered tournaments when its being played in 3 days and consists of a simply massive amount of games and possible storylines. You probably have to choose one or the other, and IPL chose the large format.
I do agree that foreigners performed better than many try to make it look though, that part was well written. Its doable by other tournaments. Have one stream (even with community casters) stream cover only the open bracket - they would only need to work well with the open bracket tournament admin so they could select some good matches.
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This was a great read, thank you! I agree wholeheartedly
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ToD losing 1-2 to two Code S players
Yeah, that was a crying shame <.<. ToD fighting !
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On April 20 2012 20:48 Lysanias wrote: Nice article to read, and i do agree, IPL gave us great games and a taste of korea's deep player pool. Where foreigners like Illusion slipped under the radar a bit by all the Korean foreigner bashing going on that weekend. I also fully agree players like White-Ra and Idra should not be seeded, IPL changed so much and how can you justify 1 year old results.
I mean of foreigners who could really defend a Seed you really only have Nani, Stephano and Huk.
Sase and Thorzain get honorable mentions but our bench of S/A class talent isn't too deep.
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Germany25641 Posts
Good article, can pretty much agree with everything you said.
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I do not mind koreans competing in international tournaments but the amount of koreans flewn to Las Vegas by IPL (because I guess they were the ones paying for GSTL to be played there) combined with the poorly designed group stage made my experience as a viewer quite lackluster.
I also find many korean players hard to like (as a fan) because very few of them speak english, hard to catch streaming and when they do it is all in korean for most of them and in interviews they say quite boring stuff.
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I agree that there were a lot of important matches that did not get shown. But as far as foreigners catching up? Not really. Illusion and Scarlet did well because they are still young and have natural talent - these are the types of players (if resided in Korea) Korean teams seek out, then among those find ones who can practice hard and improve. We are too focused on our old guard, on well known names, ect. We have a much larger player base right here in NA, but we don't have people scouting for raw talent, and we don't give players any reason to show raw talent, and when and if we actually find it, we don't know what in the fuck to do with it. The usual method I've seen is 1. Lets take a self motivated ladder hero and put a Team Logo on his shirt or send him to Korea or a team house. 2. Let's recruit this guy, he has a popularity base in X scene, played broodwar and maybe has some small tourney wins. The number 3, which we should see, but rarely do, are players/coaches scouting players, teams creating incentives to be scouted, and then, low and behold, create a structured place where these little chobos can be molded into gosus, with the help of their co-aspiring teammates and coaches. When that shit happens, we'll have good foreign players. Until then, we'll have a lot of talking heads, a lot of randoms with a hell of a lot of natural talent but no support to grow it, and a continuing need to fill the gaps in our rosters with Koreans who have already been recognized for their talent, molded by their support system, and come out a lot stronger because of it.
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Nice read, I somewhat agree.
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I knew illusion did well. But it still reaffirmed that, in even numbers, the Korean wreck foreigners.
And there was no stephano. Say what you will, as long as the foreigners have the champion they feel better.
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First of all, this stupid white dude vs asian dude argument is really tired and stupid, and people should start realizing that its hurting the growth of esports to constantly be discussing it even at events (casters) cheering on the "Foreigners", it just comes off as racist. I realize its a BW thing, but the world has become a great deal more interconnected since then, and that argument really has no place anymore, especially with the results of Sc2. If you are a fan of sc2 you should want to see the top level play, from WHOEVER is playing it.
I think its great VileIllusion did well, and maybe he should have been recognized on a stream for that, as should any lesser known player who is moving up and showing top level skill...but IGN is looking for $$$ and views. Who do you think they would rather broadcast? Nestea/MKP or VileIllusion. At an event where sc2 was getting demolished by LoL tournament ( sad day ), i don't think they would want to start taking chances on tuning out their biggest crowd draws.
I apologize that this may seem kind of harsh, but TL really has doubled down on the White dude vs asian dude storyline/arguments lately, and when Sc2 is already losing a LITTLE ground to other games, this type of resentment is really hurting rather than helping.
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Russian Federation1849 Posts
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Glad you got some love for vile illusion in this article!
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Awesome write up.
THIS is how you write about the foreigner/korean gap.
Let's hope MLG learns from IPL4's mistakes especially in regards to streaming.
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Nice recap and a fresh perspective on the tournament. IPL 4 unfortunately dropped the ball on the coverage bit, but redeemed themselves somewhat with a nice final day without technical issues. Hopefully when IPL 5 rolls around they will have learned the lesson of showing important deciding group-matches, to not have a gigantic bracket filled with excellent players without coverage and to not let a spectacle (although the GSTL-final was nice) put the coverage of their own tournament on the back-burner.
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Am I on the MLG Business / PR section ?
Ok, IPL did some mistakes with the stream and so but it certainly doesn't deserve this :
"What's truly behind this Korean 'domination' is a rather a silly tournament structure, terrible streaming, short-sighted choice of invites, and simple math."
I know that MLG begins in a few hours but still ... Btw, still no DreamHack thread ! More bias plz !
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