On July 03 2012 09:06 Rulker wrote: CoCa is better then MKP, regardless of the balance patch. Disregarding the fact that he lost in the only GSL qualifier he's been able to participate in since he was Temp Banned from GSL, his preformance and gameplay has been super strong, in Korean Weeklys (getting 2nd to Life) and Qualifying for OSL, and doing well in GSTL, and getting awesome results in TSL.
This post was hilarious.
I hope he 5-1's.
1 bo series = better player. Nice.
He just 2-0'd MKP in one TSL qual and 2-0'd him in ESV
On July 03 2012 09:06 Rulker wrote: CoCa is better then MKP, regardless of the balance patch. Disregarding the fact that he lost in the only GSL qualifier he's been able to participate in since he was Temp Banned from GSL, his preformance and gameplay has been super strong, in Korean Weeklys (getting 2nd to Life) and Qualifying for OSL, and doing well in GSTL, and getting awesome results in TSL.
This post was hilarious.
I hope he 5-1's.
he'll 5-3
I think with the balance as it is, 5-2 or 5-1, without balance as it is, it would be 5-3 at least if not MKP winning 5-3 5-2.
However with Coca ZvT as is and ZvT in general as is I'm staying with 5-2 or 5-1, happy to eat my words though.
5-3 with patch, without patch i'd say MKP edges him out 5-4 or 5-3 maybe. =]
On July 03 2012 09:06 aznball123 wrote: Of course he is, first OSL champion incoming.. lol kidding. But I still believe he is Code S material.
No belief neccesary, his gameplay proves he's Code S level.
Even as a Coca fan, I have to admit that his play has been inconsistent. He has had great games, and not so great games.
Also, even though such a statistic is meaningless when matched against MKP, I would like to mention that Coca had a 100% winrate against Protoss in the GSL in 2011, when he was Code S for multiple seasons. He's good.
Oz had near 100% PvP for a while, too :p haha
Alas, Coca's ZvP used to be untouchable, now it is only merely pretty good
On July 03 2012 09:06 Rulker wrote: CoCa is better then MKP, regardless of the balance patch. Disregarding the fact that he lost in the only GSL qualifier he's been able to participate in since he was Temp Banned from GSL, his preformance and gameplay has been super strong, in Korean Weeklys (getting 2nd to Life) and Qualifying for OSL, and doing well in GSTL, and getting awesome results in TSL.
This post was hilarious.
I hope he 5-1's.
1 bo series = better player. Nice.
He just 2-0'd MKP in one TSL qual and 2-0'd him in another.
3 bo series after this. Nice.
Just like mvp wins against mkp, while mma wins against mvp, then mkp wins against mma. Says nothing. Overall results is a different story.
On July 03 2012 09:06 Rulker wrote: CoCa is better then MKP, regardless of the balance patch. Disregarding the fact that he lost in the only GSL qualifier he's been able to participate in since he was Temp Banned from GSL, his preformance and gameplay has been super strong, in Korean Weeklys (getting 2nd to Life) and Qualifying for OSL, and doing well in GSTL, and getting awesome results in TSL.
This post was hilarious.
I hope he 5-1's.
1 bo series = better player. Nice.
He just 2-0'd MKP in one TSL qual and 2-0'd him in another.
3 bo series after this. Nice.
Just like mvp wins against mkp, while mma wins against mvp, then mkp wins against mma. Says nothing. Overall results is a different story.
On July 03 2012 09:06 Rulker wrote: CoCa is better then MKP, regardless of the balance patch. Disregarding the fact that he lost in the only GSL qualifier he's been able to participate in since he was Temp Banned from GSL, his preformance and gameplay has been super strong, in Korean Weeklys (getting 2nd to Life) and Qualifying for OSL, and doing well in GSTL, and getting awesome results in TSL.
This post was hilarious.
I hope he 5-1's.
he'll 5-3
I think with the balance as it is, 5-2 or 5-1, without balance as it is, it would be 5-3 at least if not MKP winning 5-3 5-2.
However with Coca ZvT as is and ZvT in general as is I'm staying with 5-2 or 5-1, happy to eat my words though.
5-3 with patch, without patch i'd say MKP edges him out 5-4 or 5-3 maybe. =]
On July 03 2012 09:07 opterown wrote: i vote: -remove atlantis spaceship -remove whirlwind -remove metropolis -remove cloud kingdom -add steppes of war
On July 03 2012 09:06 Rulker wrote: CoCa is better then MKP, regardless of the balance patch. Disregarding the fact that he lost in the only GSL qualifier he's been able to participate in since he was Temp Banned from GSL, his preformance and gameplay has been super strong, in Korean Weeklys (getting 2nd to Life) and Qualifying for OSL, and doing well in GSTL, and getting awesome results in TSL.
i doubt many consider coca better in absolute skill. it's hard to say where he is.
the maps are really the reason why so many korean terrans get owned by zerg.
ofc every torunament wants to use huge maps for long macro games but terran doesnt have his shining moments in the late game - so they have to apply a lot of pressure in the early stages. but by using metropolis, daybreak, spacebear in every tournament terrans cant do what they have to do and lose.
smaller maps and everything would be finde but no more insta 3base
On July 03 2012 09:03 MCDayC wrote: MKP threw that game away so quickly in the midgame, he gave the zerg such a huge advantage going into the final battle.
what? im pretty sure coca was the one about to throw the game away by being so passive, but his spine crawler trick was enough to overrun mkp when hunterseeker wasnt ready
Zergs throw away TvZ's by being passive? good one.
yeah.... letting mkp take a 4th and 5th base after losing his entire army is kind of throwing away a game.... yeah...
On July 03 2012 09:06 Chantastic wrote: He did really really well until him and Byun (GhostKing) got suspended for a year because of a "Match fixing" thing that happened. Before he got suspended, he had a really impressive run in MLG Anaheim 2011, and he was always looked at as someone who had a ton of potential.
Guess him and Byun spent a lot of their off time practicing rather than participating in tournaments.
Wasn't it 6 months ?
Ah, I looked it up, the coaches of both parties involved said whenever both players had the right "mentality" again. Source here. But it's been about 8ish months, so quite a long time.
Naa it was way shorter. I had to check it because couldn't remember how long the ban was.
They got banned Nov 15th 2011
Buyn back in line up feb 18th 2012 Coca march 10th 2012
So it wasn't that long but it took him couple seasons to get back into good shape.
On July 03 2012 09:06 Rulker wrote: CoCa is better then MKP, regardless of the balance patch. Disregarding the fact that he lost in the only GSL qualifier he's been able to participate in since he was Temp Banned from GSL, his preformance and gameplay has been super strong, in Korean Weeklys (getting 2nd to Life) and Qualifying for OSL, and doing well in GSTL, and getting awesome results in TSL.
This post was hilarious.
I hope he 5-1's.
1 bo series = better player. Nice.
He just 2-0'd MKP in one TSL qual and 2-0'd him in another.
3 bo series after this. Nice.
Just like mvp wins against mkp, while mma wins against mvp, then mkp wins against mma. Says nothing. Overall results is a different story.
MMA just 3-2 MKP in Stars War.
Don't you mean MVP > Polt > MMA > MVP? Or not?
MKP has 70% winrate vs MMA in Korea and 57% international, so It's not completely one-sided but there is an advantage.
MarineKing really isn't playing half as amazingly as normal this series. Keeps slipping in macro and his micro hasn't been as good as it usually is either.
On July 03 2012 09:06 Rulker wrote: CoCa is better then MKP, regardless of the balance patch. Disregarding the fact that he lost in the only GSL qualifier he's been able to participate in since he was Temp Banned from GSL, his preformance and gameplay has been super strong, in Korean Weeklys (getting 2nd to Life) and Qualifying for OSL, and doing well in GSTL, and getting awesome results in TSL.
This post was hilarious.
I hope he 5-1's.
1 bo series = better player. Nice.
He just 2-0'd MKP in one TSL qual and 2-0'd him in another.
3 bo series after this. Nice.
Just like mvp wins against mkp, while mma wins against mvp, then mkp wins against mma. Says nothing. Overall results is a different story.
On July 03 2012 09:06 Chantastic wrote: He did really really well until him and Byun (GhostKing) got suspended for a year because of a "Match fixing" thing that happened. Before he got suspended, he had a really impressive run in MLG Anaheim 2011, and he was always looked at as someone who had a ton of potential.
Guess him and Byun spent a lot of their off time practicing rather than participating in tournaments.
Wasn't it 6 months ?
Ah, I looked it up, the coaches of both parties involved said whenever both players had the right "mentality" again. Source here. But it's been about 8ish months, so quite a long time.
Naa it was way shorter. I had to check it because couldn't remember how long the ban was.
They got banned Nov 15th 2011
Buyn back in line up feb 18th 2012 Coca march 10th 2012
So it wasn't that long but it took him couple seasons to get back to code S.
Byun's back in Code S, Coca unfortunately is still in Code B.
On July 03 2012 09:07 opterown wrote: i vote: -remove atlantis spaceship -remove whirlwind -remove metropolis -remove cloud kingdom -add steppes of war
On July 03 2012 09:06 Rulker wrote: CoCa is better then MKP, regardless of the balance patch. Disregarding the fact that he lost in the only GSL qualifier he's been able to participate in since he was Temp Banned from GSL, his preformance and gameplay has been super strong, in Korean Weeklys (getting 2nd to Life) and Qualifying for OSL, and doing well in GSTL, and getting awesome results in TSL.
i doubt many consider coca better in absolute skill. it's hard to say where he is.
the maps are really the reason why so many korean terrans get owned by zerg.
ofc every torunament wants to use huge maps for long macro games but terran doesnt have his shining moments in the late game - so they have to apply a lot of pressure in the early stages. but by using metropolis, daybreak, spacebear in every tournament terrans cant do what they have to do and lose.
smaller maps and everything would be finde but no more insta 3base
Obv the problem is that Zergs stronger econoym in early/midgame gives a much more powerful and speedier lategame. Terran lategame (endgame moreliek) is theoretically stronger but you cant ever get to it quick enough.
On July 03 2012 09:06 Rulker wrote: CoCa is better then MKP, regardless of the balance patch. Disregarding the fact that he lost in the only GSL qualifier he's been able to participate in since he was Temp Banned from GSL, his preformance and gameplay has been super strong, in Korean Weeklys (getting 2nd to Life) and Qualifying for OSL, and doing well in GSTL, and getting awesome results in TSL.
This post was hilarious.
I hope he 5-1's.
he'll 5-3
I think with the balance as it is, 5-2 or 5-1, without balance as it is, it would be 5-3 at least if not MKP winning 5-3 5-2.
However with Coca ZvT as is and ZvT in general as is I'm staying with 5-2 or 5-1, happy to eat my words though.
5-3 with patch, without patch i'd say MKP edges him out 5-4 or 5-3 maybe. =]
Without Patch 5-4 either way seems most likely
remember MKP 5-2 and 4-3 DRG before patch, and DRG is a much better zerg than coca
On July 03 2012 09:03 -_- wrote: Is Coca on the same talent level as MKP? I haven't been following the scene very carefully lately. Is he a real threat to win this series?
Inferior Zergs have been beating the top Terrans commonly since the queen buff so yes he is a real threat to win this series.
yeah coca is such an inferior zerg. his zergling/baneling flanks were definitely stronger after that queen buff