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kommunalka
United States550 Posts
scrolls down looks at the casters list .... thats alot of great casters. Going to be a great winter of esports | ||
mike7603
United States37 Posts
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1st_Panzer_Div.
United States621 Posts
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
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IGNProLeague
1184 Posts
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On November 16 2012 09:09 IGNProLeague wrote: New Player Addition: +Ret idk if it really matters but I suggest putting who they're replacing in posts like these, I mean its easy enough to go back to the first page but still its convenient | ||
StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
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Luepert
United States1932 Posts
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FalconPunch
United States134 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On November 16 2012 09:41 Luepert wrote: Yoda, Nestea,Mvp, Seed. Good lineup for IM here! I don't think NesTea is going? | ||
PhoenixVoid
Canada32725 Posts
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On November 16 2012 09:50 PhoenixVoid wrote: I'm confused on Nerchio's status on IPL5. Is he going or not? Presumably he qualified again through the EU World Championship bracket, don't know how he could qualify twice otherwise, so I assume he'll go (I'd assume that anyway, I've heard him talk in interviews about going to IPL, even though that wasn't recently) and play in both IPL 5 and the showmatches against GSL players. If he still drops out, I haven't said anything, possible he doesn't want to go since his friend Paranoid isn't going for whatever reason. Anyway, there's still Scarlett from Acer who's most likely going to be there, I'm pretty sure he'll come. | ||
Luepert
United States1932 Posts
On November 16 2012 09:48 Dodgin wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2012 09:41 Luepert wrote: Yoda, Nestea,Mvp, Seed. Good lineup for IM here! I don't think NesTea is going? Aww dang i missed that, he did really well at the last one, actually only a few games from winning. | ||
blacksheepwall
China1530 Posts
Looking forward to a great tournament. Lots of big moves being announced lately. | ||
jobber123rd
United States501 Posts
On November 16 2012 05:44 Zax19 wrote: Qxc goes to WCG in China and Ganzi takes his place? Well played Complexity! Show nested quote + On November 16 2012 01:48 csn_JohnClark wrote: For those that are complaining about the finals format of a bo5 to bo3. This is something that I proposed at LSC2 for timing issues..and does offer a fair format for both the winner and loser. No format is perfect... but for a matter of timing and to avoid any sort of 'extended series'.. this format does work. Ideally, a second bo5 is a great choice... but timing and fatigue play a major role in the decision to run a possible 2nd bo5 series. Once the loser wins the first bo5.. .essentially, the players are tied in number of loses and any format after that is fair and even. A single bo3 to determine the champion creates the same results (statistically) as a single bo5... but the time required is almost cut in half. I personally see the final bo3 as an 'overtime' after things have been evened up between the 2 players. My 2.5 cents... I see no reason to penalise the player from the shadow bracket because he already has to play more matches to get there. Simple Bo7 starting at 0:0 is fine. Then you'd throw be throwing away the double-elimination aspect of the tournament at the final stage, giving no reward to the player who made it there without losing a match. IMO that's a bit harsh, especially in a situation where the WB player just beat the LB player in the WB final, and the difference in matches played is just one. However, in a tournament in which all other matches are Bo3 and the final would be Bo7, it balances out somewhat because someone has to win 4 games instead of 2. The WB player starting at 1:0 in a Bo7 would give a small equity advantage/reward in the final series, and it's even better for timing (if that's a concern) than Bo5->Bo3 (3-6 games instead of 3-8 games), but you lose the "two series" approach that is consistent with the double-elimination format of the rest of the tournament (which seems to be significant, judging by responses to my previous post). Below is a list of WB player equity with various series formats (assuming coinflip games), for comparison purposes. I compiled it for a topic about MLG, which is why the extended series stuff is in there. Entries relevant to this line of discussion are in bold.
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brieN
United States158 Posts
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Acer.ParanOid
Poland133 Posts
On November 16 2012 09:58 StarVe wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2012 09:50 PhoenixVoid wrote: I'm confused on Nerchio's status on IPL5. Is he going or not? Presumably he qualified again through the EU World Championship bracket, don't know how he could qualify twice otherwise, so I assume he'll go (I'd assume that anyway, I've heard him talk in interviews about going to IPL, even though that wasn't recently) and play in both IPL 5 and the showmatches against GSL players. If he still drops out, I haven't said anything, possible he doesn't want to go since his friend Paranoid isn't going for whatever reason. Anyway, there's still Scarlett from Acer who's most likely going to be there, I'm pretty sure he'll come. His flight is booked, and the only thing missing about Nerchios trip is a visa. That should be done within the next days when hes back from China . | ||
Zax19
Czech Republic1136 Posts
On November 16 2012 13:45 jobber123rd wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2012 05:44 Zax19 wrote: Qxc goes to WCG in China and Ganzi takes his place? Well played Complexity! On November 16 2012 01:48 csn_JohnClark wrote: For those that are complaining about the finals format of a bo5 to bo3. This is something that I proposed at LSC2 for timing issues..and does offer a fair format for both the winner and loser. No format is perfect... but for a matter of timing and to avoid any sort of 'extended series'.. this format does work. Ideally, a second bo5 is a great choice... but timing and fatigue play a major role in the decision to run a possible 2nd bo5 series. Once the loser wins the first bo5.. .essentially, the players are tied in number of loses and any format after that is fair and even. A single bo3 to determine the champion creates the same results (statistically) as a single bo5... but the time required is almost cut in half. I personally see the final bo3 as an 'overtime' after things have been evened up between the 2 players. My 2.5 cents... I see no reason to penalise the player from the shadow bracket because he already has to play more matches to get there. Simple Bo7 starting at 0:0 is fine. Then you'd throw be throwing away the double-elimination aspect of the tournament at the final stage, giving no reward to the player who made it there without losing a match. The upper bracket player already has an advantage – he had to play less games. That’s his advantage. So unless you want to start taking into account things like W/L up till that point or giving a player who just dropped into the shadow bracket an advantage 1:0 in his first Bo3 because he got farther than his opponent (which would be ridiculous) there is no reason to change the rules in the final series. And while we’re at it, Sundance gets it, yet we still have extended series… what the hell? | ||
jobber123rd
United States501 Posts
On November 16 2012 18:58 Zax19 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2012 13:45 jobber123rd wrote: On November 16 2012 05:44 Zax19 wrote: Qxc goes to WCG in China and Ganzi takes his place? Well played Complexity! On November 16 2012 01:48 csn_JohnClark wrote: For those that are complaining about the finals format of a bo5 to bo3. This is something that I proposed at LSC2 for timing issues..and does offer a fair format for both the winner and loser. No format is perfect... but for a matter of timing and to avoid any sort of 'extended series'.. this format does work. Ideally, a second bo5 is a great choice... but timing and fatigue play a major role in the decision to run a possible 2nd bo5 series. Once the loser wins the first bo5.. .essentially, the players are tied in number of loses and any format after that is fair and even. A single bo3 to determine the champion creates the same results (statistically) as a single bo5... but the time required is almost cut in half. I personally see the final bo3 as an 'overtime' after things have been evened up between the 2 players. My 2.5 cents... I see no reason to penalise the player from the shadow bracket because he already has to play more matches to get there. Simple Bo7 starting at 0:0 is fine. Then you'd throw be throwing away the double-elimination aspect of the tournament at the final stage, giving no reward to the player who made it there without losing a match. The upper bracket player already has an advantage – he had to play less games. That’s his advantage. So unless you want to start taking into account things like W/L up till that point or giving a player who just dropped into the shadow bracket an advantage 1:0 in his first Bo3 because he got farther than his opponent (which would be ridiculous) there is no reason to change the rules in the final series. That's a matter of perspective, then; it could just as easily be said that having the WB player eliminated by losing a single straight-up series (unlike everyone else in the tournament) is changing the rules (or at least, changing the format). And while we’re at it, Sundance gets it, yet we still have extended series… what the hell? There's a small, but important difference in the MLG Championship Bracket format, though; it's two separate 20-player "double-elimination" brackets that feed into a single final series. There's still a WB advantage in each bracket; it's just that it's realized in the "semifinals" of the tournament (extended series rules and all), and the eventual finalists will not have faced each other previously in the Championship Bracket. Either one of them could have 1 or 0 match losses in their respective Champ bracket, but in this case, it doesn't matter, as they played completely different "tournaments" that had distinct player pools to get there (considering Championship stage only). As for them retaining extended series; it's clear that they still don't want to have a situation where A eliminates B from the tournament having won fewer games head-to-head. They've bent to community pressure by getting rid of match history carryover across tournament stages, but I doubt they'll ever drop it completely, at least as long as the current management is in place. Personally, I'd like to see the match history stuff gone, but with them always using the 0-0 Bo3 into extended Bo7 (or Bo5 into Bo9) that they currently do when the Championship Semifinal (or Group Final) is not a rematch. (This would not affect Championship Finals.) It's one of the mildest WB advantages you can give; the WB player has more "chances", but must still win the most games during the round to advance. | ||
StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On November 16 2012 18:16 Acer.ParanOid wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2012 09:58 StarVe wrote: On November 16 2012 09:50 PhoenixVoid wrote: I'm confused on Nerchio's status on IPL5. Is he going or not? Presumably he qualified again through the EU World Championship bracket, don't know how he could qualify twice otherwise, so I assume he'll go (I'd assume that anyway, I've heard him talk in interviews about going to IPL, even though that wasn't recently) and play in both IPL 5 and the showmatches against GSL players. If he still drops out, I haven't said anything, possible he doesn't want to go since his friend Paranoid isn't going for whatever reason. Anyway, there's still Scarlett from Acer who's most likely going to be there, I'm pretty sure he'll come. His flight is booked, and the only thing missing about Nerchios trip is a visa. That should be done within the next days when hes back from China . Yay, thanks for posting! Why aren't you going, by the way? You don't have time or Acer doesn't want to fly you out? | ||
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