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On December 14 2012 12:51 hootsushi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 11:52 Fionn wrote: So this is like Select going from SC2 to Dota2, right?
...Which means SC2 is now saved and Dota2 is a dying game. Whew, thank you Mr. Black Knight. He is the hero SC2 deserves. Best of luck to him, wonder what happens to mouz without him.
Kuroky is a really solid carry player so he could take over his role if he wanted but it all depends on who the fifth player will be to see who plays what.
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I can clearly see now why mouz's roster is always dying...
Anyways i honestly have to question Black's transition here, it wasn't a secret that black wouldn't participate during practice scrims so I really wonder how far sc2 will take him. best of luck regardless!
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On December 14 2012 12:01 MDMA_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 11:57 dartoo wrote:On December 14 2012 11:54 Chewbacca. wrote:On December 14 2012 11:51 thatsundowner wrote: going from a 1v5 game to a 1v1 game should benefit him greatly I guess I don't understand the joke. He's saying the team was on was so bad that he pretty much had to everything. a little surprising...maybe he just likes sc2 better than dota. no...what he is saying is Black was a CARRY player on mouz, used to pretty much playing 1v5 @ the end of games cuz thts his role hence 1v1 easier. Specifically, he's the kind of carry player who just sits around and farms for 40 minutes while his time desperately tries to survive 4v5, then decides that he's got enough items and proceeds to roll over the entire enemy team single handedly.
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NNN switched dota to sc2 DDD switched sc2 to dota2 etc switched to real life
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On December 14 2012 12:22 zhurai wrote: so... what race is he (also never heard of him. probably cause I don't follow dota2)
Terran.
He's the hero Terran deserves, but not the one it needs right now.
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On December 14 2012 13:51 nomyx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 12:22 zhurai wrote: so... what race is he (also never heard of him. probably cause I don't follow dota2) Terran. He's the hero Terran deserves, but not the one it needs right now.
Then he surely won't like to go for the lategame in SC2, I can tell you that.
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I really hope he has thought this through. The professional scene of SC2 is over saturated with more professionals than the it can handle. With the addition of the Kespa pros you can see that other professionals who can't cut it anymore are forced to quit.
SC2/Dota are substantially different games that don't make for a very smooth transition. The main differences are the mechanical requirements of SC2, and the team aspect of Dota. The transition between both games is nothing like transitioning between BW/War3/SC2.
Black is an incredible Dota player, which has a scene that is ready to blow up. As can be seen from SC2 it is important to be a part of this growth from the beginning. If you go to SC2 now and go back to Dota later you will have missed a very important part of the Dota growth. It will be much harder to establish yourself after. Both in terms of gaining fans, as well as getting back onto teams that have by then hopefully established themselves with solid squads.
Likewise I would not advise an SC2 player to try and get into Dota now. Dota being a game where many of the top players have been playing for six years. It is very hard to get into from an SC2 mindset. I've seen plenty of players good at both games, but I've never seen someone be among the best in the world in both.
If he has considered all of this and is following through on what feels right to him, more power to him. I wish Black all the luck in the world.
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Sounds like a pretty bad call to me but goodluck to him if thats what he wants to pursue. Nazgul and many others summed it up pretty well.
Or maybe we're all wrong and we have the next Stephano in the making.
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His Pudge is amazing. Though I'm sad to see someone with so much potential switch, I love that he's switching to SC2. He may just want an individual game rather than a team game.
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Like what Liquid`Nazgul said, I've actually known Black in the past and he is a fucking awesome Dota player, great talent and so forth and I can't understand why he switches from Dota, which has a pro gaming scene which WILL expand like crazy where a huge void of good dota players will be created. Why the hell would he try to make it on the SC2 scene? It doesn't make any sense, I seriously hope he will reconsider his choice.
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I really dont think this is a good idea. I hope he realizes what a hard market sc2 is for players right now.
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On December 14 2012 13:59 Za7oX wrote: who?
Black. If you don't know who he is then you don't know much about Dota. He's been playing for a long, long time at a very high level. He's not been a stable member of a team since his days in TheShit and Online Kingdom, but he's been highly sought after and performed admirably as a standin for mousesports, absolute Legends, MYM, NEXT.kz, Zero, GamersLeague and basically every other major European or international team. He also played HoN at the highest level. He's 18 and has been playing Dota 1, HoN and Dota 2 basically continuously since 2005 or 2006. Absolutely sick player, easily the equal of BabyKnight in Dota 1.
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On December 14 2012 13:03 Twilight Sparkle wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 12:01 MDMA_ wrote:On December 14 2012 11:57 dartoo wrote:On December 14 2012 11:54 Chewbacca. wrote:On December 14 2012 11:51 thatsundowner wrote: going from a 1v5 game to a 1v1 game should benefit him greatly I guess I don't understand the joke. He's saying the team was on was so bad that he pretty much had to everything. a little surprising...maybe he just likes sc2 better than dota. no...what he is saying is Black was a CARRY player on mouz, used to pretty much playing 1v5 @ the end of games cuz thts his role hence 1v1 easier. Specifically, he's the kind of carry player who just sits around and farms for 40 minutes while his time desperately tries to survive 4v5, then decides that he's got enough items and proceeds to roll over the entire enemy team single handedly.
Often he does this because he's a standin with either a language barrier or a lack of familiarity with teammates and styles. It's much easier to play 4-protect-1 lategame styles than it is to play more aggressive movement-based tactics with an incomplete team. He's quite capable of playing midgame solo heroes like TA and Pudge.
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I've been playing with black on again off again since dota 1 in random scrim groups or just watching him play and I hope he knows that his problem is not himself but his teammates. He never had a good group of mates to go pro dota with, and thats why he hasn't had success based on his skills as a dota player. Mouz was as garbage group [ idc, come at me ] when he was on it with sing/bamboe/cwm and nextkz although good was not the ideal group since he's german etc...When he dicked around with hexor you could see how much potential he had.
Most people don't know this but he's easily top 4 chen in europe, and understands support roles better than the people supporting him so its mega frustrating for him. If he really enjoys sc2 i guess he should switch, but dotas where he can be a esport impact player. Don't give up if you still like dota man, its just as hard to find a good group to play with among all the other shit.
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Id understand if he switched when HOTS came out, but now when the SC2 esport scene is fairly stagnant compared to DotA2 growth is a very weird choice. Maybe he enjoys this game a lot, in which case, goodluck to him and welcome to SC2
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Catz is good but funny to hear, does he believe there is a bigger market here?
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Welcome and good luck sir!, HOTS reset should help you out a lot
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This would be a terrible decision. Dropping from the top of a game with huge potential to grow to the bottom of a game (against a ton of competition) that hasn't recently shown it's potential to grow makes no sense at all.
Was this a joke?
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