[D]Why code S players not very well in proleague? - Page 6
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LuckyMacro
United States1482 Posts
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Goldfish
2230 Posts
On January 16 2013 22:39 Scarecrow wrote: The game's volatile and it takes a while for there to be large changes in the makeup of code S. Huk and Nestea are in it atm and do/would get rocked in proleague. Yeah + I like to mention that in the OSL, it was basically split in half. Click In each group, one eSF and one KeSPA player were knocked out, with one from each advancing. This doesn't really say much besides KeSPA and eSF are fairly on equal footing. In terms of the GSL, it's always been hard to get into Code S from Code B/Code A. Both Flash and Jaedong really narrowingly lost. In the first part of up and down, they both lost via 3-2 scores. Flash defeat Yoda (which defeated everyone else) but lost to Jaedong (who lost to MC) and MC. Jaedong defeated Flash but lost to MC and Yoda. MC defeated Flash, Jaedong but lost to Vampire (who flash defeated) and lost to Yoda (who Flash also defeated). It was 3-2 everyone but since MC won via head to head vs Flash and Jaedong, he advanced. (I know head to head is used in a lot of formats but it doesn't mean <x> player is better than <y> player. I mean, if you see the above, Flash defeated two players who defeated MC but lost MC and Jaedong.) (Also, I didn't mention YongHwa because everyone defeated him. Yep, Artosis curse real and alive.) In wild card, Jaedong yet again lost because of tieing 2-2 score with two others. | ||
Emzeeshady
Canada4203 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On January 17 2013 06:27 bankobauss wrote: in order for true proleague skill to be determined, I believe 1) you must remove mirror match losses from the stastistics 2) you must remove games on arkanoid from the stastistics i know many will disagree with me on the mirror match point, but my argument is that I truly feel mirror matches are highly different from non-mirror matches stephano has incredible skill in non-mirror matches. but his zvz is pretty abysmal Now, if a player can be like flash with great non-mirror matches and a awesome TvT, then that is amazing and incredible however IMO I feel if you follow my 2 rules, many of the code S players will show to have very good skill showings in proleague i guess my argument is, that mirror matchups are a completely different animal compared to non-mirrors If you have a crappy match-up you have a crappy match-up. Everything counts. On January 17 2013 06:39 Emzeeshady wrote: Code S > Major foeriegn tournaments > Proleague > GSTL Fixed That's all opinion. Ultimately you would have to ask each player because I assure you they would give you different answers as to what's important to them. | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36699 Posts
Proleague players can't get into Code S. The cycle of life is at work here, what more is there to know? | ||
kiy0
Portugal593 Posts
Sample size is still minimal. We need for time before we can draw meaningful conclusions. | ||
vinsang1000
Belgium365 Posts
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Sorkoas
549 Posts
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.Wraath
United States262 Posts
Also pointless to include HuK/Stephano in this... | ||
NoGasfOu
United States1117 Posts
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Godwrath
Spain10091 Posts
On January 17 2013 07:33 NoGasfOu wrote: Proleague players are just better than Code S. Show me all the evidence you have to back up this. Oh. wait, it doesn't exist. | ||
starfinder
Japan167 Posts
On January 17 2013 06:52 Seeker wrote: Code S players are sucking in Proleague. Proleague players can't get into Code S. The cycle of life is at work here, what more is there to know? why they can't? this 7 players all in code S current. it's not a thread about any ESF players.it's PL players vs. PLplayers(with code s badge ) | ||
Uncultured
United States1340 Posts
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
look at PL beasts like leta, sea, snow, horang, light, soulkey, bisu, stats, violet, shuttle, bogus these guys all had really strong 2010-2012 proleague performances but never made it past like ro16 of OSL/MSL, or if they're bisu, can't even make it out of prelims | ||
sitromit
7051 Posts
Let's look at the 7 players, and analyze how they got to Code S, and what their current status is: Taeja: The best of the bunch, has been in Code S the longest of all of them, despite dealing with some wrist issues recently, not surprisingly, he has the best record of all Soulkey: Got seeded into Code S, managed to come out of the loser's match in both ro32 and ro16, got past ro16 on the strength of his ZvZ alone, otherwise probably wouldn't have, promptly got eliminated at ro8 when he had to ZvT. I predict he will fall down to Code A this season. Stephano: Got seeded, has yet to show that he belongs there. Bogus: Another player who's very new to Code S. Had a good streak last season after getting man-handled by Leenock, a Code S veteran, but lost 3-1 in the semis to Hyun, and has been losing a lot of games ever since. Interestingly, he got past ro8 by beating Soulkey, whose Code S worthiness itself is in question. Baby: Got seeded into Code S, finished last in his group, dropped to Code A. In Code A, beat a newcomer playing his first televised match in Code A, then beat Flash, another KesPA player, then played Symbol, who was having such a bad day that he even forgot to build his spawning pool in one of their games. That's how he got back into Code S. Roro: Another new player in Code S, got knocked out in the first round last season. Requalified by beating Fantasy, another KeSPA player. He seems very inconsistent, I don't expect him to make it far this season either. Huk: Got seeded into the up and downs into what everyone called the easiest group, with 2 KesPA players one of which was on a losing streak. He qualified by beating the 2 KeSPA players, and a Code A rookie. Everyone expects him to make an early exit from Code S. So, as you see, context is everything. | ||
Winterfell
United States170 Posts
I think it's also important to note that there just isn't that much Proleague data yet - it's not been long enough yet. Those strong players not currently in code S will probably make it there, and code S players will find their feet in Proleague in the long run. | ||
NKexquisite
United States911 Posts
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winthrop
Hong Kong956 Posts
For ty, roro and HuK. | ||
Sub40APM
6336 Posts
Code S, with its longer game format and established maps gives you a better gauge of skill for now. | ||
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