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On April 16 2013 12:08 eonDE wrote: Just curious, why do you have a double helix as part of the logo? =P | ||
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We're taking topic suggestions from the viewers/community so be sure to post them here. Hope to see you guys! | ||
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Going to be a good one! | ||
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cYaN
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A lot of talking over each other. And it seems everyone is arguing from different point of views without seeing the others pov. Soundlevels were very different. Frankly trying to argue that the mapmakers should get their maps into the smaller tournaments and this will start things up (Richard Lewis basically says this) is silly and imo shows that he doesn't have any idea what he's talking about. At most it will get the mapmaker some playtesting on the map. Players don't want to play on a brand new map that you don't know if you'll ever see again and viewers don't want to watch games of unprepared players as much. Someone used wc3 as a shining example... because of dota. And no one said anything. As far as I know wc3 pretty much used the same few maps as competitive maps throughout the majority of it's life. twisted meadows and turtle rock etc. original blizzard maps. Also very surprised there was no discussion about the seasons of the ladder being a problem. With WCS coming it it will be 3? season a year also on the ladder? Blizzard do not change maps mid season so assuming you get 1 new map from the mapmakers per season that's 3 a year? Would the mapmakers be happy with that? at 1h10min into the show.... someone (plexa mostly) started to make sense and talk about relevant things. Prior to that... well... i want that time back. I would have liked much more talk about iCCup and MotW vs the sc2 current ladder. I view how iccup ran the ladder so closely related to korean pro maps/wcg/map makers outside of korea combined with motw as probably the best solution. Also if Blizzard stopped making maps that would probably help tbh. "if everybody was onboard" seemed to be used a lot. What? Blizzard runs the show. If Blizzard decided should have been the phrase. I want to watch highlevel sc2 and then play on the maps myself. What do I watch? The major tournaments. WCS, DH etc. Where do I play? 95%+ ladder. Blizzard controls wcs and ladder. Everything else as well to a certain extent. Sorry for ranting/being harsh, but i hope this is taken as actual constructive criticism to some extent at least. hastily written, so hopefully you can get something out of it. | ||
Richard_Lewis
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On May 14 2013 00:18 cYaN wrote:Frankly trying to argue that the mapmakers should get their maps into the smaller tournaments and this will start things up (Richard Lewis basically says this) is silly and imo shows that he doesn't have any idea what he's talking about. if you actually watch the show back that isn't a point I make. I say pretty much the opposite. Sorry you didn't enjoy the show. I personally thought it was good and highlighted a very important area for the game's development. Each to their own I suppose. | ||
SigmaFiE
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On May 14 2013 00:18 cYaN wrote: Im currently listening to the map making episode...... and it's horrific. I'm usually a fan of the show, but i really think you should go back and listen to this yourself and think about what went wrong. A lot of talking over each other. And it seems everyone is arguing from different point of views without seeing the others pov. Soundlevels were very different. Frankly trying to argue that the mapmakers should get their maps into the smaller tournaments and this will start things up (Richard Lewis basically says this) is silly and imo shows that he doesn't have any idea what he's talking about. At most it will get the mapmaker some playtesting on the map. Players don't want to play on a brand new map that you don't know if you'll ever see again and viewers don't want to watch games of unprepared players as much. Someone used wc3 as a shining example... because of dota. And no one said anything. As far as I know wc3 pretty much used the same few maps as competitive maps throughout the majority of it's life. twisted meadows and turtle rock etc. original blizzard maps. Also very surprised there was no discussion about the seasons of the ladder being a problem. With WCS coming it it will be 3? season a year also on the ladder? Blizzard do not change maps mid season so assuming you get 1 new map from the mapmakers per season that's 3 a year? Would the mapmakers be happy with that? at 1h10min into the show.... someone (plexa mostly) started to make sense and talk about relevant things. Prior to that... well... i want that time back. I would have liked much more talk about iCCup and MotW vs the sc2 current ladder. I view how iccup ran the ladder so closely related to korean pro maps/wcg/map makers outside of korea combined with motw as probably the best solution. Also if Blizzard stopped making maps that would probably help tbh. "if everybody was onboard" seemed to be used a lot. What? Blizzard runs the show. If Blizzard decided should have been the phrase. I want to watch highlevel sc2 and then play on the maps myself. What do I watch? The major tournaments. WCS, DH etc. Where do I play? 95%+ ladder. Blizzard controls wcs and ladder. Everything else as well to a certain extent. Sorry for ranting/being harsh, but i hope this is taken as actual constructive criticism to some extent at least. hastily written, so hopefully you can get something out of it. PM me and I would be more than happy to have a non-hasty discussion about maps with you. | ||
ChanmanV
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On May 14 2013 00:18 cYaN wrote: Im currently listening to the map making episode...... and it's horrific. I'm usually a fan of the show, but i really think you should go back and listen to this yourself and think about what went wrong. A lot of talking over each other. And it seems everyone is arguing from different point of views without seeing the others pov. Soundlevels were very different. Frankly trying to argue that the mapmakers should get their maps into the smaller tournaments and this will start things up (Richard Lewis basically says this) is silly and imo shows that he doesn't have any idea what he's talking about. At most it will get the mapmaker some playtesting on the map. Players don't want to play on a brand new map that you don't know if you'll ever see again and viewers don't want to watch games of unprepared players as much. Someone used wc3 as a shining example... because of dota. And no one said anything. As far as I know wc3 pretty much used the same few maps as competitive maps throughout the majority of it's life. twisted meadows and turtle rock etc. original blizzard maps. Also very surprised there was no discussion about the seasons of the ladder being a problem. With WCS coming it it will be 3? season a year also on the ladder? Blizzard do not change maps mid season so assuming you get 1 new map from the mapmakers per season that's 3 a year? Would the mapmakers be happy with that? at 1h10min into the show.... someone (plexa mostly) started to make sense and talk about relevant things. Prior to that... well... i want that time back. I would have liked much more talk about iCCup and MotW vs the sc2 current ladder. I view how iccup ran the ladder so closely related to korean pro maps/wcg/map makers outside of korea combined with motw as probably the best solution. Also if Blizzard stopped making maps that would probably help tbh. "if everybody was onboard" seemed to be used a lot. What? Blizzard runs the show. If Blizzard decided should have been the phrase. I want to watch highlevel sc2 and then play on the maps myself. What do I watch? The major tournaments. WCS, DH etc. Where do I play? 95%+ ladder. Blizzard controls wcs and ladder. Everything else as well to a certain extent. Sorry for ranting/being harsh, but i hope this is taken as actual constructive criticism to some extent at least. hastily written, so hopefully you can get something out of it. That's too bad you didn't enjoy the episode because I thought the discussion was quite productive. Im happy to address some of these things you mentioned though. Talking over each other is going to happen when you have 6 people with a lot of thoughts and ideas that we have to get out in 2 hours and I didn't mind the dynamic in that regard. Sound levels I agree were not optimal and it had mostly to do with me barely making back in time for the show and us not having time for an adequate sound check so that was definitely on me. As for addressing everything else generally, yes Blizzard holds the solutions to everything that map makers need. But the reality is these things will not happen because Blizzard has other things prioritized that they are focused on and in some ways they don't want to be involved in this map maker/tourney organizer dynamic. So you can either just wait around and hope Blizzard one day fixes everything for everybody, or you can do more incremental things as a map maker (ie having your map player in smaller tourneys for play testing and future data points, getting exposure as a map maker, etc.) and proactively provide data that will help in this endeavor. The map makers are trying all kinds of things right now .. no doubt. They just need some support from the community in the form of demand and systematic ways of getting their maps exposure (ie TLMC). I know you're a long time fan of the show so I know you mean well with all the the feedback and constructive criticism so I appreciate that. | ||
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Here's the VOD from today's show with Khaldor | ||
Richard_Lewis
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Massive guest list for this bumper edition of the show: Hosts: ChanmanV, John Clark, Richard Lewis Guest: Michal "Carmac" Blicharz (ESL), Robert Ohlen (Dreamhack), Scott "SirScoots" Smith (SSNN), Cristian "Trance" Tamas (GD Studios), and Elliot Cuite (NASL) Show Time: 15:00 EST / 21:00 CEST Timestamps: 3:17 MLG Status of Anaheim for SC2 20:00 Enter Robert Ohlén 27:45 Difference NA vs EU Events 39:00 Enter Carmac 42:50 An In-Depth Look At WCS EU 1:12:08 Enter Scoots, Trance, Elliot - Studio Production 1:14:55 Thoughts on WCS EU Production 1:43:50 Technology Being Used 2:09:41 Guests Asking Each Other Questions 2:29:40 Importance of Audio 2:40:55 More Non-Sports Content 2:56:55 Wrapup and Shoutouts | ||
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Part 1 Part 2 Audio version https://archive.org/download/ClimbingTheLadderPodcast/ClimbingTheLadder-057.mp3 | ||
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