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On May 30 2013 23:31 Poffel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 22:20 llIH wrote:On May 30 2013 19:11 FractalsOnFire wrote:On May 30 2013 18:45 llIH wrote: Hello fellow coffee drinkers. I have been drinking Nespresso coffee for 2 years in medical school now. And I love coffee. But I feel I want to go up a level in coffee taste. Would Illy Iperespresso be an idea? Have anyone tried it and had it for some while enough to have a legitimate opinion? Or should I go for the real thing - espresso machine? illy is bad, don't even waste your time. So there are two main (proper) methods of making coffee, filter and espresso. Filter is alot cheaper and with ~$400 you can taste the best coffees in the world easily. Espresso you need to pay for alot more (sure you can afford a cheap machine but it wouldn't do alot of coffees justice). I'm not well versed in good machines for a good price but if you want to drink filter im happy to advise. EDIT: Did anyone goto the recent World Barista Championships/Melbourne International Coffee Expo last weekend? Shit was fucking amazing. Illy is bad? I felt Illy tasted way better than Senseo and Tassimo. I have never tasted filter coffee that tasts good. But thats only from mocca master machines. Problem for me is that there is no froth on the top. Nespresso vivalto Lungo is my favorite coffee so far. Ok, even though I'll probably get stoned to death by the true coffee afficionados for this, I'll be the one to say it: Taking into account its status as "convenience coffee", what you get from Nespresso machines tastes actually surprisingly well and, at least in my experience, can easily stand up to products of standard espresso machines. So, while it's certainly possible to top Nespresso, I'd go so far as to say that if you're looking for a significant advancement, you might be looking at (semi-)professional equipment and the prices that go along with them. That said, there are plenty of reasons other than taste to stay away from Nespresso (especially the fact that they work on aluminium capsules, which are both ridiculously proprietary and can be considered a hate crime against the environment... which, of course, applies to other capsule systems, such as Iperespresso, as well), but in my opinion, taste isn't one of them.
Do you have any examples that could work well and not cost a lot? So you recommend Iperespresso from Illy compared to Nespresso in terms of taste?
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Espresso tastes like shit to me, completely aquired taste in my opinion. I only drink coffee with lots of cream/milk and some sugar, so i dont really appreciate the coffee itself
Tea on the other hand i love very much, and i wouldnt even think about putting anything into it
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On May 30 2013 23:39 isleyofthenorth wrote: Espresso tastes like shit to me, completely aquired taste in my opinion. I only drink coffee with lots of cream/milk and some sugar, so i dont really appreciate the coffee itself
Tea on the other hand i love very much, and i wouldnt even think about putting anything into it Have you tried a good chunk of sugar with your espresso? I use a spoonful (not healthy I know) and drink it along with a bottle of water. Makes most espressos very tasteful, and the worse ones bearable. Especially great with a cigar if you're into that sorta thing.
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On May 30 2013 23:35 llIH wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 23:31 Poffel wrote:On May 30 2013 22:20 llIH wrote:On May 30 2013 19:11 FractalsOnFire wrote:On May 30 2013 18:45 llIH wrote: Hello fellow coffee drinkers. I have been drinking Nespresso coffee for 2 years in medical school now. And I love coffee. But I feel I want to go up a level in coffee taste. Would Illy Iperespresso be an idea? Have anyone tried it and had it for some while enough to have a legitimate opinion? Or should I go for the real thing - espresso machine? illy is bad, don't even waste your time. So there are two main (proper) methods of making coffee, filter and espresso. Filter is alot cheaper and with ~$400 you can taste the best coffees in the world easily. Espresso you need to pay for alot more (sure you can afford a cheap machine but it wouldn't do alot of coffees justice). I'm not well versed in good machines for a good price but if you want to drink filter im happy to advise. EDIT: Did anyone goto the recent World Barista Championships/Melbourne International Coffee Expo last weekend? Shit was fucking amazing. Illy is bad? I felt Illy tasted way better than Senseo and Tassimo. I have never tasted filter coffee that tasts good. But thats only from mocca master machines. Problem for me is that there is no froth on the top. Nespresso vivalto Lungo is my favorite coffee so far. Ok, even though I'll probably get stoned to death by the true coffee afficionados for this, I'll be the one to say it: Taking into account its status as "convenience coffee", what you get from Nespresso machines tastes actually surprisingly well and, at least in my experience, can easily stand up to products of standard espresso machines. So, while it's certainly possible to top Nespresso, I'd go so far as to say that if you're looking for a significant advancement, you might be looking at (semi-)professional equipment and the prices that go along with them. That said, there are plenty of reasons other than taste to stay away from Nespresso (especially the fact that they work on aluminium capsules, which are both ridiculously proprietary and can be considered a hate crime against the environment... which, of course, applies to other capsule systems, such as Iperespresso, as well), but in my opinion, taste isn't one of them. Do you have any examples that could work well and not cost a lot? So you recommend Iperespresso from Illy compared to Nespresso in terms of taste? Personally, I find Nespresso to taste better than Iperespresso, so no, I wouldn't recommend Iperespresso (even though personal taste obviously plays into that).
And the main point of my post was actually that I don't think that an upgrade from Nespresso that truly deserves the name 'upgrade' isn't cheap. Good espresso machines are expensive, and in the "doesn't cost a lot"-segment, Nespresso is actually among the top candidates.
If you're looking for decent espresso machines, it starts around 700 € (such as these machines). Those will be an improvement over Nespresso, even though you're still looking at machines with inner workings that are almost entirely made out of plastic... if you're aiming for a good espresso machine (and I would take it as a prerequisite that their interior is made of metal), you can start looking at the 1500 € mark and the sky is the limit, unfortunately.
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On May 30 2013 22:20 llIH wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 19:11 FractalsOnFire wrote:On May 30 2013 18:45 llIH wrote: Hello fellow coffee drinkers. I have been drinking Nespresso coffee for 2 years in medical school now. And I love coffee. But I feel I want to go up a level in coffee taste. Would Illy Iperespresso be an idea? Have anyone tried it and had it for some while enough to have a legitimate opinion? Or should I go for the real thing - espresso machine? illy is bad, don't even waste your time. So there are two main (proper) methods of making coffee, filter and espresso. Filter is alot cheaper and with ~$400 you can taste the best coffees in the world easily. Espresso you need to pay for alot more (sure you can afford a cheap machine but it wouldn't do alot of coffees justice). I'm not well versed in good machines for a good price but if you want to drink filter im happy to advise. EDIT: Did anyone goto the recent World Barista Championships/Melbourne International Coffee Expo last weekend? Shit was fucking amazing. Illy is bad? I felt Illy tasted way better than Senseo and Tassimo. I have never tasted filter coffee that tasts good. But thats only from mocca master machines. Problem for me is that there is no froth on the top. Nespresso vivalto Lungo is my favorite coffee so far.
Oh dear, we have a lot of work to do.
The reason your filter coffee probably tastes bad is because they probably use beans roasted for espresso to make it. Also there is more to making coffee than using a machine. I can make my own coffee that tastes amazing just using a $200 grinder and a $30 clever coffee dripper.
http://www.reddit.com/r/Coffee/ is really good for advice as well. I was actually surprised when i stumbled onto r/Coffee, i thought it'd be a joke but they're actually really into specialty coffee. For Coffee Noobs
PS I am disappointed TL isn't as coffee snobby as i thought it would be =(
On May 30 2013 23:56 Poffel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 23:35 llIH wrote:On May 30 2013 23:31 Poffel wrote:On May 30 2013 22:20 llIH wrote:On May 30 2013 19:11 FractalsOnFire wrote:On May 30 2013 18:45 llIH wrote: Hello fellow coffee drinkers. I have been drinking Nespresso coffee for 2 years in medical school now. And I love coffee. But I feel I want to go up a level in coffee taste. Would Illy Iperespresso be an idea? Have anyone tried it and had it for some while enough to have a legitimate opinion? Or should I go for the real thing - espresso machine? illy is bad, don't even waste your time. So there are two main (proper) methods of making coffee, filter and espresso. Filter is alot cheaper and with ~$400 you can taste the best coffees in the world easily. Espresso you need to pay for alot more (sure you can afford a cheap machine but it wouldn't do alot of coffees justice). I'm not well versed in good machines for a good price but if you want to drink filter im happy to advise. EDIT: Did anyone goto the recent World Barista Championships/Melbourne International Coffee Expo last weekend? Shit was fucking amazing. Illy is bad? I felt Illy tasted way better than Senseo and Tassimo. I have never tasted filter coffee that tasts good. But thats only from mocca master machines. Problem for me is that there is no froth on the top. Nespresso vivalto Lungo is my favorite coffee so far. Ok, even though I'll probably get stoned to death by the true coffee afficionados for this, I'll be the one to say it: Taking into account its status as "convenience coffee", what you get from Nespresso machines tastes actually surprisingly well and, at least in my experience, can easily stand up to products of standard espresso machines. So, while it's certainly possible to top Nespresso, I'd go so far as to say that if you're looking for a significant advancement, you might be looking at (semi-)professional equipment and the prices that go along with them. That said, there are plenty of reasons other than taste to stay away from Nespresso (especially the fact that they work on aluminium capsules, which are both ridiculously proprietary and can be considered a hate crime against the environment... which, of course, applies to other capsule systems, such as Iperespresso, as well), but in my opinion, taste isn't one of them. Do you have any examples that could work well and not cost a lot? So you recommend Iperespresso from Illy compared to Nespresso in terms of taste? Personally, I find Nespresso to taste better than Iperespresso, so no, I wouldn't recommend Iperespresso (even though personal taste obviously plays into that). And the main point of my post was actually that I don't think that an upgrade from Nespresso that truly deserves the name 'upgrade' isn't cheap. Good espresso machines are expensive, and in the "doesn't cost a lot"-segment, Nespresso is actually among the top candidates. If you're looking for decent espresso machines, it starts around 700 € (such as these machines). Those will be an improvement over Nespresso, even though you're still looking at machines with inner workings that are almost entirely made out of plastic... if you're aiming for a good espresso machine (and I would take it as a prerequisite that their interior is made of metal), you can start looking at the 1500 € mark and the sky is the limit, unfortunately.
You don't need to be dropping ridiculous amounts of money to enjoy a fucking amazing coffee. As above, AUD 230 makes me a coffee that would be better than 90% of cafes in my city, assuming the beans i sourced were of acceptable taste. The only good thing and really ONLY GOOD THING about nespresso is that its convenient. That's it, its not actually cheaper than making a good filter coffee (i think the cost of coffee grinds/beans comes out to around $500/kg) and it definitely doesn't taste as good.
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I prefer Senseo Extra Strong with 7,5% condensed milk.
It's cheap (around 40 cents per cup), convenient and tastes great.
I hope the coffee-enthusiasts don't gangrape me for drinking the cheap, easy stuff. Poor people can't be picky.
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On May 31 2013 00:13 Meow-Meow wrote: I prefer Senseo Extra Strong with 7,5% condensed milk.
It's cheap (around 40 cents per cup), convenient and tastes great.
I hope the coffee-enthusiasts don't gangrape me for drinking the cheap, easy stuff. Poor people can't be picky.
I usually pay about $10 / 250g unless i get the expensive shit and i usually use around 18g to 250mL. I calculated it at 72c per cup for me (maybe an extra 10c for a filter paper but i could always use the french press). If i lower the dosage it comes out to 60c per cup.
I don't think 20c per cup is that much of a difference and hey, filter coffee has more caffeine in it too! Or if you wanna go crazy, use a fine grind, up the steep/pour time and enjoy the buzz as well as the strong coffee. Probably ruin any complexity the coffee had but you're getting bang for buck!
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A little tip for hand brewed coffee.
Put a little salt on the bottom of the filter and a spoon cacao powder on top
grandma told me this and it´s great xD
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On May 31 2013 00:12 FractalsOnFire wrote: You don't need to be dropping ridiculous amounts of money to enjoy a fucking amazing coffee. As above, AUD 230 makes me a coffee that would be better than 90% of cafes in my city, assuming the beans i sourced were of acceptable taste. The only good thing and really ONLY GOOD THING about nespresso is that its convenient. That's it, its not actually cheaper than making a good filter coffee (i think the cost of coffee grinds/beans comes out to around $500/kg) and it definitely doesn't taste as good. If we're talking about coffee (filter, french press, and the like), you're correct. It's all about convenience, and you can make excellent coffee with cheap equipment. However, I don't think that the same can be said about espresso where the cheap devices simply don't generate sufficient pressure and push the water through plastic tubes. When your machine generates just 3 bar instead of 9 bar, it is hard to compensate for that, no matter how proficient and creative you use it.
On a side note, if you look at the reviews referenced under "How to buy a device" in the link you gave, you'll see that they recommend quite expensive (in the 800-2000$ range) machines for espresso as well, so I don't see much of a counterargument here (although, to be perfectly honest, I also don't see any other argument there as the 'user reviews' I looked at don't strike me as particularly informative).
(Edited: corrected pressure)
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+ Show Spoiler +On May 31 2013 02:10 Poffel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 00:12 FractalsOnFire wrote: You don't need to be dropping ridiculous amounts of money to enjoy a fucking amazing coffee. As above, AUD 230 makes me a coffee that would be better than 90% of cafes in my city, assuming the beans i sourced were of acceptable taste. The only good thing and really ONLY GOOD THING about nespresso is that its convenient. That's it, its not actually cheaper than making a good filter coffee (i think the cost of coffee grinds/beans comes out to around $500/kg) and it definitely doesn't taste as good. If we're talking about coffee (filter, french press, and the like), you're correct. It's all about convenience, and you can make excellent coffee with cheap equipment. However, I don't think that the same can be said about espresso where the cheap devices simply don't generate sufficient pressure and push the water through plastic tubes. When your machine generates just 10 bar instead of 15 bar, it is hard to compensate for that, no matter how proficient and creative you use it. On a side note, if you look at the reviews referenced under "How to buy a device" in the link you gave, you'll see that they recommend quite expensive (in the 800-2000$ range) machines for espresso as well, so I don't see much of a counterargument here (although, to be perfectly honest, I also don't see any other argument there as the 'user reviews' I looked at don't strike me as particularly informative).
Its been my experience that unless your willing to spend thousands of $$$ than getting espresso should only be done at a cafe that can afford and is willing to spend thousands of $$$ on their espresso machine. That being said, the guy that roasts my coffee, and who I pretty much get all my coffee knowledge from has advised me to try something like this
http://www.bialettishop.com/KittyMain.htm
I am wondering if anyone else has tried one of Bialettis stove top espresso makers and what they think about them. I just use a cheap drip when I am forced to drink coffee at home. Works fine for just plain old coffee. Use fresh water. Grind the beans right before hand. Turn off the drip as soon as its done so the plate doesn't continue to cook my coffee so much.
Probably my favorite way to drink coffee though is cold brewed ice coffee with a little bit of honey (you have to wait a little while for the honey to soak in) and a little bit of cream. Fucking heaven. God I love cold brewed coffee. Other than that I just drink black coffee, straight shots of espresso (you have to know how to enjoy it, suck it in, roll it around your tongue, find the different taste buds that you like for different types of espresso), and my guilty pleasure Dirty dirty dirty chai latte's . Nom nom nom chai latte with espresso nom nom nom.
Oh if anyone lives in Portland Oregon and loves coffee beans and different types of roasts you should check out.
http://obliquecoffeeroasters.com/ http://www.yelp.com/biz/oblique-coffee-roasters-portland
They roast the coffee right behind the counter. If the owner really likes you and he isn't too busy, and you are willing to pay him for it, you could bring in your own beans and he will roast them to your specifications. I know that he has been kind of busy lately but I also know he is working on fixing his big roaster as well. Really great place to sit and enjoy coffee. Their outside area has really grown in well since they took the original pictures. Tall bamboo, songbirds, great atmosphere. He ships coffee as well . My favorite is his Mexican Nayarit. A cold brew of that stuff tastes like fucking strawberries!
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I do love my french press, and my preferred bean is Sumatra. I will accept any dark roast, but I cannot stand drip and paper filter coffee. I want it strong.
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On May 31 2013 04:28 Wrongspeedy wrote:Its been my experience that unless your willing to spend thousands of $$$ than getting espresso should only be done at a cafe that can afford and is willing to spend thousands of $$$ on their espresso machine. That being said, the guy that roasts my coffee, and who I pretty much get all my coffee knowledge from has advised me to try something like this http://www.bialettishop.com/KittyMain.htmI am wondering if anyone else has tried one of Bialettis stove top espresso makers and what they think about them. I just use a cheap drip when I am forced to drink coffee at home. Works fine for just plain old coffee. Use fresh water. Grind the beans right before hand. Turn off the drip as soon as its done so the plate doesn't continue to cook my coffee so much. Probably my favorite way to drink coffee though is cold brewed ice coffee with a little bit of honey (you have to wait a little while for the honey to soak in) and a little bit of cream. Fucking heaven. God I love cold brewed coffee. Other than that I just drink black coffee, straight shots of espresso (you have to know how to enjoy it, suck it in, roll it around your tongue, find the different taste buds that you like for different types of espresso), and my guilty pleasure Dirty dirty dirty chai latte's . Nom nom nom chai latte with espresso nom nom nom. Well, to put it bluntly, the label 'espresso maker' is little more than a marketing trick for this kind of stove pots. That said, in my opinion you can still make quite tasty coffee with them... just more like sort of a "mocca" coffee than like a "$$$ espresso" coffee.
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On May 31 2013 04:46 Poffel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 04:28 Wrongspeedy wrote:Its been my experience that unless your willing to spend thousands of $$$ than getting espresso should only be done at a cafe that can afford and is willing to spend thousands of $$$ on their espresso machine. That being said, the guy that roasts my coffee, and who I pretty much get all my coffee knowledge from has advised me to try something like this http://www.bialettishop.com/KittyMain.htmI am wondering if anyone else has tried one of Bialettis stove top espresso makers and what they think about them. I just use a cheap drip when I am forced to drink coffee at home. Works fine for just plain old coffee. Use fresh water. Grind the beans right before hand. Turn off the drip as soon as its done so the plate doesn't continue to cook my coffee so much. Probably my favorite way to drink coffee though is cold brewed ice coffee with a little bit of honey (you have to wait a little while for the honey to soak in) and a little bit of cream. Fucking heaven. God I love cold brewed coffee. Other than that I just drink black coffee, straight shots of espresso (you have to know how to enjoy it, suck it in, roll it around your tongue, find the different taste buds that you like for different types of espresso), and my guilty pleasure Dirty dirty dirty chai latte's . Nom nom nom chai latte with espresso nom nom nom. Well, to put it bluntly, the label 'espresso maker' is little more than a marketing trick for this kind of stove pots. That said, in my opinion you can still make quite tasty coffee with them... just more like sort of a "mocca" coffee than like a "$$$ espresso" coffee.
Yeah its a mokapot with a different name. Probably better than my shitty drip though lol. He didn't say it would be like espresso, but that spending thousands of dollars was probably the only way to get a decent espresso machine.
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So good coffee from filter without froth taste good? I think I have been a victim of bad coffee at work. I live in Norway. What kind of beans should I look for? Press/drip doesn't matter wich?
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So I really like coffee and tea but haven't tried any of the really "good" stuff as far as cofffee goes. I have a melita cone right now. Is that a reasonable way to continue to brew coffee if I"m basically flat out too cheap to spend more than 30-40 on coffee hardware?
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Not much of a coffee drinker, but I'm starting to drink it for my intermittent fasting. I'm using the 8 o'clock brand right now and it's not bad for cheap coffee, but I was wondering what the connoisseurs think about the best budget brand for black coffee?
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On May 31 2013 08:25 IAmThEnd wrote: Not much of a coffee drinker, but I'm starting to drink it for my intermittent fasting. I'm using the 8 o'clock brand right now and it's not bad for cheap coffee, but I was wondering what the connoisseurs think about the best budget brand for black coffee? Find a local roaster, buy something freshly roasted, I like darker roasts personally but to each his own. Supermarket stuff just doesn't tend to be as good as locally roasted imo.
Edit: I guess supermarket wise I like the same as you, 8 oclock... Don't know too many of those kind of coffees though, sorry
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On May 31 2013 02:10 Poffel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 00:12 FractalsOnFire wrote: You don't need to be dropping ridiculous amounts of money to enjoy a fucking amazing coffee. As above, AUD 230 makes me a coffee that would be better than 90% of cafes in my city, assuming the beans i sourced were of acceptable taste. The only good thing and really ONLY GOOD THING about nespresso is that its convenient. That's it, its not actually cheaper than making a good filter coffee (i think the cost of coffee grinds/beans comes out to around $500/kg) and it definitely doesn't taste as good. If we're talking about coffee (filter, french press, and the like), you're correct. It's all about convenience, and you can make excellent coffee with cheap equipment. However, I don't think that the same can be said about espresso where the cheap devices simply don't generate sufficient pressure and push the water through plastic tubes. When your machine generates just 3 bar instead of 9 bar, it is hard to compensate for that, no matter how proficient and creative you use it. On a side note, if you look at the reviews referenced under "How to buy a device" in the link you gave, you'll see that they recommend quite expensive (in the 800-2000$ range) machines for espresso as well, so I don't see much of a counterargument here (although, to be perfectly honest, I also don't see any other argument there as the 'user reviews' I looked at don't strike me as particularly informative). (Edited: corrected pressure)
Oh I agree that espresso is a massive money dump and I never recommended actually spending that much money. For espresso you really need to fork out for a decent grinder and machine, as well as peripherals such as tampers. However espresso isn't the be all and end all of coffee. I don't even know why you went on a complete tangent about machines and how expensive they are when i never mentioned anything about it in the first place.
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On May 31 2013 16:30 FractalsOnFire wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 02:10 Poffel wrote:On May 31 2013 00:12 FractalsOnFire wrote: You don't need to be dropping ridiculous amounts of money to enjoy a fucking amazing coffee. As above, AUD 230 makes me a coffee that would be better than 90% of cafes in my city, assuming the beans i sourced were of acceptable taste. The only good thing and really ONLY GOOD THING about nespresso is that its convenient. That's it, its not actually cheaper than making a good filter coffee (i think the cost of coffee grinds/beans comes out to around $500/kg) and it definitely doesn't taste as good. If we're talking about coffee (filter, french press, and the like), you're correct. It's all about convenience, and you can make excellent coffee with cheap equipment. However, I don't think that the same can be said about espresso where the cheap devices simply don't generate sufficient pressure and push the water through plastic tubes. When your machine generates just 3 bar instead of 9 bar, it is hard to compensate for that, no matter how proficient and creative you use it. On a side note, if you look at the reviews referenced under "How to buy a device" in the link you gave, you'll see that they recommend quite expensive (in the 800-2000$ range) machines for espresso as well, so I don't see much of a counterargument here (although, to be perfectly honest, I also don't see any other argument there as the 'user reviews' I looked at don't strike me as particularly informative). (Edited: corrected pressure) Oh I agree that espresso is a massive money dump and I never recommended actually spending that much money. For espresso you really need to fork out for a decent grinder and machine, as well as peripherals such as tampers. However espresso isn't the be all and end all of coffee. I don't even know why you went on a complete tangent about machines and how expensive they are when i never mentioned anything about it in the first place. Not to be nitpicky, but I didn't bring up espresso as a tangent, you entered a debate about espresso machines. My post - the one you refuted - was addressing IIIH's question for a new espresso maker. Other than that, it seems that we're mostly in agreement... although I'd like to add that while it isn't the be the "be all", a real espresso is most certainly the "end all" of coffee, imho.
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