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Haha, even though I main tea, I play the coffee and whisky race too.
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I drink 2 litres of coffee a day for my brain and a bottle of red wine each day for my heart and to kill my caffeine buz at bed time. I should be able to do cross words till 100.
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On April 20 2011 11:39 Nub4ever wrote:Mmmmm... cappuccino.
Oh man, I am so glad someone had mentioned this. This thing is amazing; it froths the milk as it makes the espresso. It is on the expensive side, but what a good cup of coffee (or cuppa as they say in Aus).
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Many people don't realize that espresso has less caffeine per shot than an 8 oz cup of coffee. Most people drink one or two 10-12 oz cups of coffee so you shouldn't be discouraged from trying espresso even if you are new! Also - light roast coffee has more caffeine than dark roast coffee - another common misconception. Just because it's sludgy and gross (French Roast) doesn't mean it's waking you up more. Try a good African light roast - they are usually floral and bright and very peppy! I work at a locally owned independent coffee shop so if you have any questions about coffee or tea feel free to PM me or post here!
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Cheers!
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On May 31 2013 19:43 Poffel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 16:30 FractalsOnFire wrote:On May 31 2013 02:10 Poffel wrote:On May 31 2013 00:12 FractalsOnFire wrote: You don't need to be dropping ridiculous amounts of money to enjoy a fucking amazing coffee. As above, AUD 230 makes me a coffee that would be better than 90% of cafes in my city, assuming the beans i sourced were of acceptable taste. The only good thing and really ONLY GOOD THING about nespresso is that its convenient. That's it, its not actually cheaper than making a good filter coffee (i think the cost of coffee grinds/beans comes out to around $500/kg) and it definitely doesn't taste as good. If we're talking about coffee (filter, french press, and the like), you're correct. It's all about convenience, and you can make excellent coffee with cheap equipment. However, I don't think that the same can be said about espresso where the cheap devices simply don't generate sufficient pressure and push the water through plastic tubes. When your machine generates just 3 bar instead of 9 bar, it is hard to compensate for that, no matter how proficient and creative you use it. On a side note, if you look at the reviews referenced under "How to buy a device" in the link you gave, you'll see that they recommend quite expensive (in the 800-2000$ range) machines for espresso as well, so I don't see much of a counterargument here (although, to be perfectly honest, I also don't see any other argument there as the 'user reviews' I looked at don't strike me as particularly informative). (Edited: corrected pressure) Oh I agree that espresso is a massive money dump and I never recommended actually spending that much money. For espresso you really need to fork out for a decent grinder and machine, as well as peripherals such as tampers. However espresso isn't the be all and end all of coffee. I don't even know why you went on a complete tangent about machines and how expensive they are when i never mentioned anything about it in the first place. Not to be nitpicky, but I didn't bring up espresso as a tangent, you entered a debate about espresso machines. My post - the one you refuted - was addressing IIIH's question for a new espresso maker. Other than that, it seems that we're mostly in agreement... although I'd like to add that while it isn't the be the "be all", a real espresso is most certainly the "end all" of coffee, imho.
Espresso is definitely not the end all. If anything it seems like manual brewing methods are becoming the end all, especially within specialty coffee. When people get ridiculously expensive coffee, such as HR61 (~AU$666/kg roasted) or any Geisha varietal, most people brew the coffee through a manual method such as V60 pourover, chemex, aeropress, syphon etc. Sure I've seen a few expensive coffees offered as espresso but the majority of them tend to be roasted lighter for filter brews.
Speaking of expensive coffees, just found the most expensive one: Guatemala El Injerto Mocca $500 per pound or $1100 per kg. Insane. Apparently it was bought by a Korean roastery.
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On May 31 2013 23:54 FractalsOnFire wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 19:43 Poffel wrote:On May 31 2013 16:30 FractalsOnFire wrote:On May 31 2013 02:10 Poffel wrote:On May 31 2013 00:12 FractalsOnFire wrote: You don't need to be dropping ridiculous amounts of money to enjoy a fucking amazing coffee. As above, AUD 230 makes me a coffee that would be better than 90% of cafes in my city, assuming the beans i sourced were of acceptable taste. The only good thing and really ONLY GOOD THING about nespresso is that its convenient. That's it, its not actually cheaper than making a good filter coffee (i think the cost of coffee grinds/beans comes out to around $500/kg) and it definitely doesn't taste as good. If we're talking about coffee (filter, french press, and the like), you're correct. It's all about convenience, and you can make excellent coffee with cheap equipment. However, I don't think that the same can be said about espresso where the cheap devices simply don't generate sufficient pressure and push the water through plastic tubes. When your machine generates just 3 bar instead of 9 bar, it is hard to compensate for that, no matter how proficient and creative you use it. On a side note, if you look at the reviews referenced under "How to buy a device" in the link you gave, you'll see that they recommend quite expensive (in the 800-2000$ range) machines for espresso as well, so I don't see much of a counterargument here (although, to be perfectly honest, I also don't see any other argument there as the 'user reviews' I looked at don't strike me as particularly informative). (Edited: corrected pressure) Oh I agree that espresso is a massive money dump and I never recommended actually spending that much money. For espresso you really need to fork out for a decent grinder and machine, as well as peripherals such as tampers. However espresso isn't the be all and end all of coffee. I don't even know why you went on a complete tangent about machines and how expensive they are when i never mentioned anything about it in the first place. Not to be nitpicky, but I didn't bring up espresso as a tangent, you entered a debate about espresso machines. My post - the one you refuted - was addressing IIIH's question for a new espresso maker. Other than that, it seems that we're mostly in agreement... although I'd like to add that while it isn't the be the "be all", a real espresso is most certainly the "end all" of coffee, imho. Espresso is definitely not the end all. If anything it seems like manual brewing methods are becoming the end all, especially within specialty coffee. When people get ridiculously expensive coffee, such as HR61 (~AU$666/kg roasted) or any Geisha varietal, most people brew the coffee through a manual method such as V60 pourover, chemex, aeropress, syphon etc. Sure I've seen a few expensive coffees offered as espresso but the majority of them tend to be roasted lighter for filter brews. Speaking of expensive coffees, just found the most expensive one: Guatemala El Injerto Mocca $500 per pound or $1100 per kg. Insane. Apparently it was bought by a Korean roastery. First of all, I find it hilarious that you first refute espresso on the grounds of it being "a massive money dump" and then argue that filter preparation is better because it's used for "ridiculously expensive" coffee.
What do you mean by "roasted lighter for filter brews"? It almost sounds as if you think that roasting makes up the difference between filter coffee and espresso, but optimal roasting depends first and foremost on the blend (acidity vs. bittering agent) and only secondarily on the preparation method (filter vs. espresso). So, the idea of dark=espresso may hold true for supermarket coffee because most cheap blends are heavy on acid, but beyond that it's not so simple. There are plenty of light roasts for espresso and lots of dark roasts for filter coffee. For instance, your "most expensive one" is a mocha bean, which is usually roasted darkly - but it's generally not well-suited for espresso.
On a side note, since neither the nor the "imho" gave it away apparently, I (!) prefer espresso to filter coffee (apart from the wakeup routine where it's more about a bucket being the adequate serving size for coffeine). You are of course free to have a different taste, and I have no ambition to convince you otherwise.
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Can't wait for tomorrow morning Trying new beans
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@Wrongspeedy I'll have to try that Oblique coffee roasters place, it's pretty close to my house!
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On June 01 2013 07:09 Lobotomist wrote: @Wrongspeedy I'll have to try that Oblique coffee roasters place, it's pretty close to my house!
I went there today and there was a little bit of a line. The barista didn't show up so the owners wife was out making deliveries and the owner was working the bar and roasting coffee. I think the people behind me ended up walking out O.O which was kind of sad because I was just getting a cold brew (if they had waited like 30 more seconds they would have been served). I was hoping they just went and sat outside instead of waiting but I would understand if they couldn't wait for time reasons. I felt bad for the owner, he seemed pretty sad about it, but what can you do :S.
Its a nice place to sit and enjoy if you have time. And if you really show interest and engage the owner and he isn't too busy he is super nice and informative on what type of coffee to buy depending on how you prepare it, what your tastes are. The building itself is super cool. Old General Store from 1891 that they purchased from a hoarder. They kept a lot of the neater things from his collection there and they even have old pictures of the building wayyyy back in the day and the family the owned/built it.
If you tell them Jared W. sent you they will treat you right
Edit: Oh and most of their drinks come with house coffee which is nice if you really like to drink a bit of coffee. Buy a cup of espresso get a cup of french press on the house.
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On June 01 2013 02:42 Poffel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 23:54 FractalsOnFire wrote:On May 31 2013 19:43 Poffel wrote:On May 31 2013 16:30 FractalsOnFire wrote:On May 31 2013 02:10 Poffel wrote:On May 31 2013 00:12 FractalsOnFire wrote: You don't need to be dropping ridiculous amounts of money to enjoy a fucking amazing coffee. As above, AUD 230 makes me a coffee that would be better than 90% of cafes in my city, assuming the beans i sourced were of acceptable taste. The only good thing and really ONLY GOOD THING about nespresso is that its convenient. That's it, its not actually cheaper than making a good filter coffee (i think the cost of coffee grinds/beans comes out to around $500/kg) and it definitely doesn't taste as good. If we're talking about coffee (filter, french press, and the like), you're correct. It's all about convenience, and you can make excellent coffee with cheap equipment. However, I don't think that the same can be said about espresso where the cheap devices simply don't generate sufficient pressure and push the water through plastic tubes. When your machine generates just 3 bar instead of 9 bar, it is hard to compensate for that, no matter how proficient and creative you use it. On a side note, if you look at the reviews referenced under "How to buy a device" in the link you gave, you'll see that they recommend quite expensive (in the 800-2000$ range) machines for espresso as well, so I don't see much of a counterargument here (although, to be perfectly honest, I also don't see any other argument there as the 'user reviews' I looked at don't strike me as particularly informative). (Edited: corrected pressure) Oh I agree that espresso is a massive money dump and I never recommended actually spending that much money. For espresso you really need to fork out for a decent grinder and machine, as well as peripherals such as tampers. However espresso isn't the be all and end all of coffee. I don't even know why you went on a complete tangent about machines and how expensive they are when i never mentioned anything about it in the first place. Not to be nitpicky, but I didn't bring up espresso as a tangent, you entered a debate about espresso machines. My post - the one you refuted - was addressing IIIH's question for a new espresso maker. Other than that, it seems that we're mostly in agreement... although I'd like to add that while it isn't the be the "be all", a real espresso is most certainly the "end all" of coffee, imho. Espresso is definitely not the end all. If anything it seems like manual brewing methods are becoming the end all, especially within specialty coffee. When people get ridiculously expensive coffee, such as HR61 (~AU$666/kg roasted) or any Geisha varietal, most people brew the coffee through a manual method such as V60 pourover, chemex, aeropress, syphon etc. Sure I've seen a few expensive coffees offered as espresso but the majority of them tend to be roasted lighter for filter brews. Speaking of expensive coffees, just found the most expensive one: Guatemala El Injerto Mocca $500 per pound or $1100 per kg. Insane. Apparently it was bought by a Korean roastery. First of all, I find it hilarious that you first refute espresso on the grounds of it being "a massive money dump" and then argue that filter preparation is better because it's used for "ridiculously expensive" coffee. What do you mean by "roasted lighter for filter brews"? It almost sounds as if you think that roasting makes up the difference between filter coffee and espresso, but optimal roasting depends first and foremost on the blend (acidity vs. bittering agent) and only secondarily on the preparation method (filter vs. espresso). So, the idea of dark=espresso may hold true for supermarket coffee because most cheap blends are heavy on acid, but beyond that it's not so simple. There are plenty of light roasts for espresso and lots of dark roasts for filter coffee. For instance, your "most expensive one" is a mocha bean, which is usually roasted darkly - but it's generally not well-suited for espresso. On a side note, since neither the nor the "imho" gave it away apparently, I (!) prefer espresso to filter coffee (apart from the wakeup routine where it's more about a bucket being the adequate serving size for coffeine). You are of course free to have a different taste, and I have no ambition to convince you otherwise.
I noticed those but i wanted to bite anyway.
I never refuted espresso? I refute pod based machines as it spits out a sub standard product but proper espresso setups are fine if you're wiling to fork out the money. I just said you didn't need to spend in order to enjoy a good coffee.
Usually its the other way around, from people I've talked to and my own personal experience. I've found dark roasts (just before second crack and beyond) to be too roasty through filter and missing alot of the complexity in a coffee. Even medium roasts don't produce a great filter coffee. I remember an Ethiopian Yirg OCR roasted between filter and espresso and it wasn't as nice to drink as filter as a lighter cupping roast as it lost alot of its cherry notes and acidity. Also tasted a little roasty. I can't say much about the moka varietal, i've only had a few but even those were roasted light.
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On June 01 2013 06:56 Wrongspeedy wrote:Can't wait for tomorrow morning Trying new beans
You're in for a treat - dat Ethiopa Yrgacheffe is one of my favorite roasts : )!
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this is the most hipster thread i've ever laid eyes on lol.. i love coffee but i feel like i would be scoffed at for drinking it out of a coffee maker.
ps; its nabob
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On June 01 2013 14:01 Synapze wrote: this is the most hipster thread i've ever laid eyes on lol.. i love coffee but i feel like i would be scoffed at for drinking it out of a coffee maker.
ps; its nabob
Not really, you are just cheating yourself of a great experience. Personally I only do manual pours during the weekend and in the evenings. I drink coffee from a simple coffee maker/automate all day during work (and yes, I drink too much coffee).
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Last year I finally worked my way over to black coffee after being a flat white guy for like 8-9 years. Took a while to get into, but I can't go back now. It really lets you appreciate the coffee, as douchey and hipster as that sounds.
My local coffee joint has a Slayer (go look it up), and when that's paired with a barrista who knows what they're doing, I've had no coffee that comes anywhere near it.
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Aeropress is the way to go. Been using it for a while now. Makes great coffee.
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Have never really of liked coffee but I recently tried Starbucks Caramel Crunch and cookie mocha drinks and they are delicious. About as far as I have gone in the coffee world.
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On June 01 2013 14:22 ZerO_0 wrote: Have never really of liked coffee but I recently tried Starbucks Caramel Crunch and cookie mocha drinks and they are delicious. About as far as I have gone in the coffee world. So you haven't yet stepped foot into the coffee world is what you're saying?
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On June 01 2013 14:13 Apus wrote: Last year I finally worked my way over to black coffee after being a flat white guy for like 8-9 years. Took a while to get into, but I can't go back now. It really lets you appreciate the coffee, as douchey and hipster as that sounds.
My local coffee joint has a Slayer (go look it up), and when that's paired with a barrista who knows what they're doing, I've had no coffee that comes anywhere near it.
Have you tried a coffee from a Kees van der Westen Spirit or Speedster? Apparently they absolutely blow everything out of the water.
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