On July 14 2013 05:39 Mackus wrote: Biggest surprise for me is Yongwa beating Stats - Purely because of the amount of PvP's Kespa players have had to play out in proleague that's a massive result for the IM player.
Jjakji vs Life easily tie of the next round.
KT players who aren't Flash are notorious for never being able to do anything in individual leagues.
He is 10-7 in PvP in Proleague so it doesn't really justify that claim.
Even a loss counts for 1 more game than Yonghwa has played, experience is sometimes the key factor
I have no idea what you're trying to say here. Proleague isn't an individual league.
On July 14 2013 08:43 ClairvoyanceSC2 wrote: PIGBABY ON TO BEAT GUMIHO 2-0 NOW. I BELIEVE. Beats roro, rain, zest, 2-0 ragnarok. time to add another victim !
Gumiho will have bacon nightmares by the time PIGBABY is done with him.
I was really enjoying Ragnarok's playstyle, it's sad to see him in Code B now. Also sad to see that Hurricane didn't make it through seeing how good he was doing in GSTL.
On July 14 2013 11:59 Scarecrow wrote: Also not surprised ESF is doing well in Challenger with how many of them have been dropping from Code S the last few seasons. Glad herO[join] got through :D
Out of the 24 matches played here, only 8 of them involved players who dropped down from Code S. And out of those 8 players, half were ESF and half were Kespa. And out of the 4 ESF players who dropped down from Code S, only 2 of them won their matches, while out of the 4 Kespa players who dropped down from Code S, all 4 of them won their matches (though it's noted that only 2 of those matches were Kespa vs. ESF).
In other words, ESF doing well in Challenger has pretty much nothing to do with a lot of them dropping from Code S. Most of the ESF wins were from ESF players not coming down from Code S. Nice try, though.
That is, assuming I'm understanding the symbols on the brackets correctly (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_2_Korea_OSL/Challenger#Bracket_Stage). The S next to the player's name means they dropped from Code S, right?
Seems like you didn´t saw " last few seasons" on his post.
On July 14 2013 11:59 Scarecrow wrote: Also not surprised ESF is doing well in Challenger with how many of them have been dropping from Code S the last few seasons. Glad herO[join] got through :D
Out of the 24 matches played here, only 8 of them involved players who dropped down from Code S. And out of those 8 players, half were ESF and half were Kespa. And out of the 4 ESF players who dropped down from Code S, only 2 of them won their matches, while out of the 4 Kespa players who dropped down from Code S, all 4 of them won their matches (though it's noted that only 2 of those matches were Kespa vs. ESF).
In other words, ESF doing well in Challenger has pretty much nothing to do with a lot of them dropping from Code S. Most of the ESF wins were from ESF players not coming down from Code S. Nice try, though.
That is, assuming I'm understanding the symbols on the brackets correctly (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_2_Korea_OSL/Challenger#Bracket_Stage). The S next to the player's name means they dropped from Code S, right?
Seems like you didn´t saw " last few seasons" on his post.
Alright, fine. If we ignore all matches involving players who were in the last few seasons of Code S, it's ESF 6-2 Kespa (counting only Crazy vs. Sleep, Jjakji vs. Trust, Paralyze vs. Dream, Avenge vs. Argo, Bang vs. Bunny, Swagger vs. Zero, True vs. JYP, and sC vs. Songduri). It's also worth noting that many of the ESF players who fell out of Code S in the last few seasons were eliminated by other ESF players.
On July 14 2013 11:59 Scarecrow wrote: Also not surprised ESF is doing well in Challenger with how many of them have been dropping from Code S the last few seasons. Glad herO[join] got through :D
Out of the 24 matches played here, only 8 of them involved players who dropped down from Code S. And out of those 8 players, half were ESF and half were Kespa. And out of the 4 ESF players who dropped down from Code S, only 2 of them won their matches, while out of the 4 Kespa players who dropped down from Code S, all 4 of them won their matches (though it's noted that only 2 of those matches were Kespa vs. ESF).
In other words, ESF doing well in Challenger has pretty much nothing to do with a lot of them dropping from Code S. Most of the ESF wins were from ESF players not coming down from Code S. Nice try, though.
That is, assuming I'm understanding the symbols on the brackets correctly (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_2_Korea_OSL/Challenger#Bracket_Stage). The S next to the player's name means they dropped from Code S, right?
Seems like you didn´t saw " last few seasons" on his post.
Alright, fine. If we ignore all matches involving players who were in the last few seasons of Code S, it's ESF 6-2 Kespa (counting only Crazy vs. Sleep, Jjakji vs. Trust, Paralyze vs. Dream, Avenge vs. Argo, Bang vs. Bunny, Swagger vs. Zero, True vs. JYP, and sC vs. Songduri). It's also worth noting that many of the ESF players who fell out of Code S in the last few seasons were eliminated by other ESF players.
Isn't it depressing to see so few "non established-names" advancing ? Basically, the 2 no-names advancing, advanced through beating 2 other no-names. (P)Ruin 2 - 0 (P)Balloon (T)Bang 2 - 0 (T)Bunny[Name]
Bunny isn't really that much of a no name. He almost made it to code S last season through the up and down groups after beating Last in the first round of Code A last season and went 4-1 in Round 6 of Proleague. He looks to be a regular player in CJ's lineup
But it happens every season. Bracket luck is always a factor that can come into play.
also, just because you don't really know who someone is doesn't mean they aren't good.
On July 14 2013 05:39 Mackus wrote: Biggest surprise for me is Yongwa beating Stats - Purely because of the amount of PvP's Kespa players have had to play out in proleague that's a massive result for the IM player.
Jjakji vs Life easily tie of the next round.
Considering how apparently strong is First in the match-up and he probably practiced with Yonghwa before match against Rain it's not so big of a surprise.
On July 14 2013 05:39 Mackus wrote: Biggest surprise for me is Yongwa beating Stats - Purely because of the amount of PvP's Kespa players have had to play out in proleague that's a massive result for the IM player.
Jjakji vs Life easily tie of the next round.
Considering how apparently strong is First in the match-up and he probably practiced with Yonghwa before match against Rain it's not so big of a surprise.
Yonghwa needed years to recover from his Artosis curse and he´s still suffering.
On July 14 2013 11:59 Scarecrow wrote: Also not surprised ESF is doing well in Challenger with how many of them have been dropping from Code S the last few seasons. Glad herO[join] got through :D
Out of the 24 matches played here, only 8 of them involved players who dropped down from Code S. And out of those 8 players, half were ESF and half were Kespa. And out of the 4 ESF players who dropped down from Code S, only 2 of them won their matches, while out of the 4 Kespa players who dropped down from Code S, all 4 of them won their matches (though it's noted that only 2 of those matches were Kespa vs. ESF).
In other words, ESF doing well in Challenger has pretty much nothing to do with a lot of them dropping from Code S. Most of the ESF wins were from ESF players not coming down from Code S. Nice try, though.
That is, assuming I'm understanding the symbols on the brackets correctly (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_2_Korea_OSL/Challenger#Bracket_Stage). The S next to the player's name means they dropped from Code S, right?
Seems like you didn´t saw " last few seasons" on his post.
Alright, fine. If we ignore all matches involving players who were in the last few seasons of Code S, it's ESF 6-2 Kespa (counting only Crazy vs. Sleep, Jjakji vs. Trust, Paralyze vs. Dream, Avenge vs. Argo, Bang vs. Bunny, Swagger vs. Zero, True vs. JYP, and sC vs. Songduri). It's also worth noting that many of the ESF players who fell out of Code S in the last few seasons were eliminated by other ESF players.
This kespa vs esf shiat needs to fucking stahp.
Oh, I agree. I guess I was making the problem worse there, but it simply annoyed me on principle that Scarecrow, a well-established Kespa fanboy, tried to cheaply take away from the results here by implying that ESF was only doing well because a bunch of their players got eliminated from Code S lately, especially because the statement isn't really even true. If people want to pull shit like that then I think I'm justified in proving them wrong when they're actually wrong.