The point of the movie will be to convince the viewer that the reason why they are fighting is realistic, not the fight itself.
The Dark Knight Returns anime failed in this regard, I hope this movie will do better.
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Croatia7457 Posts
The point of the movie will be to convince the viewer that the reason why they are fighting is realistic, not the fight itself. The Dark Knight Returns anime failed in this regard, I hope this movie will do better. | ||
plgElwood
Germany518 Posts
Batman Superman FFFFFF UUU Batman Superman Sss IIII Basupterman !!!!! ON !!!!!!!!!!!! I want them searching the dragonballs. | ||
andrewlt
United States7660 Posts
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On July 22 2013 23:47 Plansix wrote: Show nested quote + On July 22 2013 23:42 rEalGuapo wrote: On July 22 2013 23:22 agahamsorr0w wrote: On July 22 2013 23:16 rEalGuapo wrote: On July 22 2013 23:08 agahamsorr0w wrote: wolverine can heal through everything and has an indestructible skeleton so i dont see why superman would be boring. the only difference i see is that wolverine is aggressive and has a big mouth while superman tries to reason with people. That's just BS. There are a ton of guys that can fight and kill or at least imprison Wolverine. It's one thing to be hard to kill and a decent enough fighter and quite another to be capable of packing a punch so heavy it shatters mountains while a tank shot hitting you in the open eye will to about the same amount of damage as someone burping in your direction from 20 feet away. good thing superman has no reason at all to destroy mountains with one punch uh? obviously if he wanted it he would kill batman in one shot but if you knew how he was designed, you would know he doesnt kill unless under influence of red kryptonite. same with magneto. he could kill wolverine by tearing his skeleton out of his body but he doesnt. its not in his interest even though they are enemies. oh and superman isnt strong enough to shatter a mountain with a punch. you just made that up. do people here even know villains can team up too? does the injustice league ring any bells? Still all my points stand. Superman is just immortal invoulnerable and so strong he can do whatever he wants. That's when the makers realized that it is kind of boring this way so they designed Kryptonite and then more and more versions of it and added in magic..... magic. Yeah. Because those are the two weaknesses, something that simply stands for all that is illogical and impossible thus can not be reasoned with (Magic) and some weak ass crap they just implemented to keep the Superman Saga from being the biggest joke ever. Still is though, I mean come on. . Pink Kryptonite that makes people gay?! WTF Still all these flaws can be seen as flaws or not, that I can understand but the guy itself is just too boring. Superman will always be the white knight and never do anything anyone could deam as wrong, no matter what (unless. . . surprise kryptonite...) I feel like being 100% predictable and nice makes a person too boring to have a huge fanbase. It is no wonder that Batman and Wolverine both have ton of good movies before Superman does (I don't care for 50 year old movies anymore, hurts my brain to watch those effects t.t got spoiled and now can't help it). Its just a question of scale. How can a heros in the avengers work when they are all of different power levels? With good writing. The battle on the sky fortress is a great example of good writing making for intresting fights that everyone can take part in. They deal with Ironman(one of the most powerful characters) by making him repair the airship, while the Hulk and Thor are busy dealing with eachother. Superman and Batman work the same way. You just need things that both parties need to deal with on a sperately. If the fights and battles are big enough, Superman will be locked down and busy. Also, the new Man of Steel had a very "reasonable" Superman who had limits to how strong he was or how much damge he could take before being knocked around. And batman and superman are intresting characters when they interact with eachother. Both have a lot in common and see the world in very differnet ways. The best writing for them makes them play off eachother. If you read Kingdom Come, the part where Batman is talking to Superman and turns back to find Superman gone is one of the best quotes of all time. Batman just says "So thats what that feels like." Except that in The Avengers, The Hulk, Iron Man and Thor did pretty much everything. What did Captain America do? Shepherd some people around on the streets, and beat up a few monsters which ultimately had no impact on the overall result of the fight? Even in your post, the strongest 3 are the only ones you mention. | ||
Ryder.
1117 Posts
On July 23 2013 03:15 Mallidon wrote: Show nested quote + On July 22 2013 02:52 crms wrote: Superman has always been incredibly lame and Batman just redeemed itself post-keaton movies with bale. This is a terrible idea. They could always get Clooney in to kill Batman off again in Batman vs Superman, then set up another epic reboot (Nolan style).... Show nested quote + On July 23 2013 02:22 JustPassingBy wrote: Wait, will there be no next superman stand-alone movie? If there was going to be a stand alone Superman one, half of it would be spent with him rebuilding Metropolis and apologising for making such a mess... If it wasn't for him the entire human race would be extinct and Earth would have been transformed to new Krypton. But of course he now needs to go apologise to annoying viewers for destroying a few buildings.. | ||
kwizach
3658 Posts
On July 24 2013 18:22 GolemMadness wrote: Show nested quote + On July 22 2013 23:47 Plansix wrote: On July 22 2013 23:42 rEalGuapo wrote: On July 22 2013 23:22 agahamsorr0w wrote: On July 22 2013 23:16 rEalGuapo wrote: On July 22 2013 23:08 agahamsorr0w wrote: wolverine can heal through everything and has an indestructible skeleton so i dont see why superman would be boring. the only difference i see is that wolverine is aggressive and has a big mouth while superman tries to reason with people. That's just BS. There are a ton of guys that can fight and kill or at least imprison Wolverine. It's one thing to be hard to kill and a decent enough fighter and quite another to be capable of packing a punch so heavy it shatters mountains while a tank shot hitting you in the open eye will to about the same amount of damage as someone burping in your direction from 20 feet away. good thing superman has no reason at all to destroy mountains with one punch uh? obviously if he wanted it he would kill batman in one shot but if you knew how he was designed, you would know he doesnt kill unless under influence of red kryptonite. same with magneto. he could kill wolverine by tearing his skeleton out of his body but he doesnt. its not in his interest even though they are enemies. oh and superman isnt strong enough to shatter a mountain with a punch. you just made that up. do people here even know villains can team up too? does the injustice league ring any bells? Still all my points stand. Superman is just immortal invoulnerable and so strong he can do whatever he wants. That's when the makers realized that it is kind of boring this way so they designed Kryptonite and then more and more versions of it and added in magic..... magic. Yeah. Because those are the two weaknesses, something that simply stands for all that is illogical and impossible thus can not be reasoned with (Magic) and some weak ass crap they just implemented to keep the Superman Saga from being the biggest joke ever. Still is though, I mean come on. . Pink Kryptonite that makes people gay?! WTF Still all these flaws can be seen as flaws or not, that I can understand but the guy itself is just too boring. Superman will always be the white knight and never do anything anyone could deam as wrong, no matter what (unless. . . surprise kryptonite...) I feel like being 100% predictable and nice makes a person too boring to have a huge fanbase. It is no wonder that Batman and Wolverine both have ton of good movies before Superman does (I don't care for 50 year old movies anymore, hurts my brain to watch those effects t.t got spoiled and now can't help it). Its just a question of scale. How can a heros in the avengers work when they are all of different power levels? With good writing. The battle on the sky fortress is a great example of good writing making for intresting fights that everyone can take part in. They deal with Ironman(one of the most powerful characters) by making him repair the airship, while the Hulk and Thor are busy dealing with eachother. Superman and Batman work the same way. You just need things that both parties need to deal with on a sperately. If the fights and battles are big enough, Superman will be locked down and busy. Also, the new Man of Steel had a very "reasonable" Superman who had limits to how strong he was or how much damge he could take before being knocked around. And batman and superman are intresting characters when they interact with eachother. Both have a lot in common and see the world in very differnet ways. The best writing for them makes them play off eachother. If you read Kingdom Come, the part where Batman is talking to Superman and turns back to find Superman gone is one of the best quotes of all time. Batman just says "So thats what that feels like." Except that in The Avengers, The Hulk, Iron Man and Thor did pretty much everything. What did Captain America do? Shepherd some people around on the streets, and beat up a few monsters which ultimately had no impact on the overall result of the fight? Even in your post, the strongest 3 are the only ones you mention. So what? The others were still written sufficiently well to have them contribute, even if they weren't as strong as the three you mention. Black Widow helped Selvig close the portal, Captain America protected civilians and directed everyone to their respective roles, and Hawkeye contributed to providing coordination to everyone by staying high. There's no doubt that Iron Man, Thor and Hulk had a higher kill list, but it certainly didn't feel like the others were useless. | ||
levelping
Singapore759 Posts
Superman is powerful, blithe is crippled by his ideals etc. Batman gets shit done. | ||
gTank
Austria2285 Posts
On July 21 2013 18:13 plgElwood wrote: Most (superhero)movies besides the latest batman movies are quite lame CGI-clashes of badly written charakters. So Batsuperironman plot: Batman is pissed with superman (and RDJ is too, money should be the only legal superpower) Batman secretly reveals supermans identity, and then superman is forced to move from metropolis, loosing his wife/gf/whatver he has in this universe, starts doing drugs and alcohol, starts random robbing and killing. Batman is quite happy with the result. And builds a Kryptonite Jail for the now ill intended superman, he appeals at supermans moral via media , to deliver himself to the cell and get frozen in ice covered with kryptonite, repaying for all the harm he has done. Batman and RDJ happy controling the world with money In the dark and frozen superman pics up radiowaves, showing him the new courrupt world RDJ and Batma created. Closing scene : Superman in the dark burns out of the ice-jail with laser eyes. Batsuperironman II : Dripping water from Kryptonite/ice Jail, superman is free, in the dark, but kryotonite harms him, he breaks out of the room to find out, it was just a capsule traveling through space, the radiowaves have reached him from 1000 ligth years late. Being a stupid journalist, he can not determine where he is, and even with super speed he can not find earth. Other part of the movie. Batmans grand grand grand grand grand grand son is sad having no superman and builds time machine to stop the ice/Kryptonite Jail rocket from launching. Fails. Builds superman beacon to lead him home. Wins. Gives Superman astronomy lessons and together they do the Startrek-style around the sun timetravel to stop evilpast batman and RDJ from launching superman and corrupting the world. DA END. best plot ever :D | ||
Erasme
Bahamas15894 Posts
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Rotodyne
United States2263 Posts
He's really just a normal person that can turn into a bat (a very large one) | ||
plgElwood
Germany518 Posts
On July 24 2013 21:01 Rotodyne wrote: Pretty sure this is going to be a new superhero named Superbat He's really just a normal person that can turn into a bat (a very large one) And he eats flies and can navigate through ultrasound. | ||
Lounge
537 Posts
Justice League comics were some of my favorites. I'm skeptical because Man of Steel didn't do well, not because of some idea that Batman+Superman = guaranteed fail. | ||
kwizach
3658 Posts
On July 24 2013 20:52 Erasme wrote: One interesting match up would be Phoenix against Superman. Wonder who would win.. The Phoenix Force is insanely more powerful than classic post-crisis Superman. | ||
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 25 2013 00:07 Lounge wrote: I don't understand how people can accept Lex Luther as one of Superman's primary antagonists, (A man with no superpowers, but vast intelligence and money/social power.) but then put forth the notion that Batman can't co-exit with Superman in a story. Justice League comics were some of my favorites. I'm skeptical because Man of Steel didn't do well, not because of some idea that Batman+Superman = guaranteed fail. People don't understand or read Supes and don't get that having that level of power doesn't help him against people like Lex. Everyone just needs to read Kingdom Come and then they will understand what Supes is all about. Its less about how powerful he is and more about how does a man keep his faith in humanity over several life times. People also do not understand how much Supes life kinda sucks, he outlives everyone he loves and humanity lets him down over and over and demands that he fix their problems. But that stuff it hard to get across in a movie. | ||
Wolfstan
Canada605 Posts
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simmeh
Canada2511 Posts
Ben Affleck is the new batman | ||
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 23 2013 11:28 simmeh wrote: Bump Ben Affleck is the new batman Ok, I don't hate Ben Affleck and if Nolan did the casting, I am ok with this. After all, he gave of Heath Ledger as the Joker and people hated that when it was first announced. | ||
TriO
United States421 Posts
On August 23 2013 11:28 simmeh wrote: Bump Ben Affleck is the new batman Well that sucks movie is over before its even started. | ||
Aerisky
United States12128 Posts
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
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