On August 25 2013 14:05 BAdGer_ wrote: It all depends on who the director is Batman vs Superman has plenty of comic book cred: dark knight returns by Frank Miller and others I cant recall if pulled off well it will be sick!
On August 25 2013 14:05 BAdGer_ wrote: It all depends on who the director is Batman vs Superman has plenty of comic book cred: dark knight returns by Frank Miller and others I cant recall if pulled off well it will be sick!
Am I the only one who finds him a bit too old to play the part? Especially if he's signed for six movies (such a high number sounds pretty unlikely to me, though)...
On August 27 2013 22:27 kwizach wrote: Am I the only one who finds him a bit too old to play the part? Especially if he's signed for six movies (such a high number sounds pretty unlikely to me, though)...
Why would he be too old. Gene Hackman was not exactly young when he played Lex.
On August 27 2013 22:27 kwizach wrote: Am I the only one who finds him a bit too old to play the part? Especially if he's signed for six movies (such a high number sounds pretty unlikely to me, though)...
Why would he be too old. Gene Hackman was not exactly young when he played Lex.
They picked Ben because they want older Batman. I think they want to make them all little bit older and I think its excelent idea.
On August 27 2013 22:27 kwizach wrote: Am I the only one who finds him a bit too old to play the part? Especially if he's signed for six movies (such a high number sounds pretty unlikely to me, though)...
Why would he be too old. Gene Hackman was not exactly young when he played Lex.
Well, Gene Hackman was 48 when he played him, and Bryan Cranston will be 59 in 2015 (not to mention the next five films), while Henry Cavill will be, and will look to be, in his early thirties. I don't know, I've always pictured Lex Luthor as a bit older than Superman, but not that much older. It's part of their history and of the complexity of his character too - Luthor always declares that he could have done so much good for mankind if he had not had to fight the menace that he considers Superman to be. With this age difference, he would have had all the time in the world to help mankind before Superman ever showed up. Oh well, I guess it's not impossible to make it work.
On August 27 2013 22:27 kwizach wrote: Am I the only one who finds him a bit too old to play the part? Especially if he's signed for six movies (such a high number sounds pretty unlikely to me, though)...
Also, it is six movie appearances, not full roles. They are just signing him up to do work in any of the DC films. It gives the writers the freedom to us Lex in any film, even if it is just him in a news broadcast or a minor role in a scene.
On August 27 2013 22:27 kwizach wrote: Am I the only one who finds him a bit too old to play the part? Especially if he's signed for six movies (such a high number sounds pretty unlikely to me, though)...
Why would he be too old. Gene Hackman was not exactly young when he played Lex.
Well, Gene Hackman was 48 when he played him, and Bryan Cranston will be 59 in 2015 (not to mention the next five films), while Henry Cavill will be, and will look to be, in his early thirties. I don't know, I've always pictured Lex Luthor as a bit older than Superman, but not that much older. It's part of their history and of the complexity of his character too - Luthor always declares that he could have done so much good for mankind if he had not had to fight the menace that he considers Superman to be. With this age difference, he would have had all the time in the world to help mankind before Superman ever showed up. Oh well, I guess it's not impossible to make it work.
Make up is a cool thing. And really its all about the aura of Lex and the confidence. He isn't scared of Superman, even though Superman is so much more powerful than him. You need a great act to play off that dynamic. Plus, Bryan Cranston is bad ass.
Yeah, I agree that Bryan Cranston's a great actor who can give off a powerful vibe. We'll have to see how they make it work (I have my doubts about make-up managing to make him look just a bit older than Cavill, and I don't think that's what they're going to attempt to do), but what I mentioned still stands - one of the interesting threads of the Luthor-Superman relationship in the comics is Luthor's claims (and probably beliefs) about what he would have done for the world and mankind had Superman not existed. With a big age difference between the two, this aspect cannot be kept.
On August 28 2013 02:12 kwizach wrote: Yeah, I agree that Bryan Cranston's a great actor who can give off a powerful vibe. We'll have to see how they make it work (I have my doubts about make-up managing to make him look just a bit older than Cavill, and I don't think that's what they're going to attempt to do), but what I mentioned still stands - one of the interesting threads of the Luthor-Superman relationship in the comics is Luthor's claims (and probably beliefs) about what he would have done for the world had Superman not existed. With a big age difference between the two, this aspect cannot be kept.
It is also going to be the beginning of their relationship and conflict, so they could never push that part of the dynamic. You are talking about current Superman where he and Lex have had it out for eachother for years. This is proto-superman, where they have not started that relationship yet.
On August 28 2013 02:12 kwizach wrote: Yeah, I agree that Bryan Cranston's a great actor who can give off a powerful vibe. We'll have to see how they make it work (I have my doubts about make-up managing to make him look just a bit older than Cavill, and I don't think that's what they're going to attempt to do), but what I mentioned still stands - one of the interesting threads of the Luthor-Superman relationship in the comics is Luthor's claims (and probably beliefs) about what he would have done for the world had Superman not existed. With a big age difference between the two, this aspect cannot be kept.
It is also going to be the beginning of their relationship and conflict, so they could never push that part of the dynamic. You are talking about current Superman where he and Lex have had it out for eachother for years. This is proto-superman, where they have not started that relationship yet.
This being the beginning of the Superman-Luthor relationship doesn't change the fact that they could perfectly well use this part of Luthor's character. It could for example be done by featuring it in a second movie with him (if we go by the rumor, they're planning on having Luthor as a significant character in more than one movie), or even in the first movie by showing Luthor as a self-absorbed and ego-driven genius who nevertheless was helping mankind because of how important it made him feel. This would be "disrupted" by Superman's appearance having the attention taken off Luthor (it's actually a plot point of at least one Superman arc), and Luthor choosing to put his resources into fighting Superman rather than into his previous endeavors which were benefiting mankind. Even within the scope of a single movie, this could begin an interesting "I could have done so much for mankind if not for Superman" character line. With an already old Luthor, this wouldn't work considering he would already have had a lot of time to help mankind.
On August 28 2013 02:12 kwizach wrote: Yeah, I agree that Bryan Cranston's a great actor who can give off a powerful vibe. We'll have to see how they make it work (I have my doubts about make-up managing to make him look just a bit older than Cavill, and I don't think that's what they're going to attempt to do), but what I mentioned still stands - one of the interesting threads of the Luthor-Superman relationship in the comics is Luthor's claims (and probably beliefs) about what he would have done for the world had Superman not existed. With a big age difference between the two, this aspect cannot be kept.
It is also going to be the beginning of their relationship and conflict, so they could never push that part of the dynamic. You are talking about current Superman where he and Lex have had it out for eachother for years. This is proto-superman, where they have not started that relationship yet.
This being the beginning of the Superman-Luthor relationship doesn't change the fact that they could perfectly well use this part of Luthor's character. It could for example be done by featuring it in a second movie with him (if we go by the rumor, they're planning on having Luthor as a significant character in more than one movie), or even in the first movie by showing Luthor as a self-absorbed and ego-driven genius who nevertheless was helping mankind because of how important it made him feel. This would be "disrupted" by Superman's appearance having the attention taken off Luthor (it's actually a plot point of at least one Superman arc), and Luthor choosing to put his resources into fighting Superman rather than into his previous endeavors which were benefiting mankind. Even within the scope of a single movie, this could begin an interesting "I could have done so much for mankind if not for Superman" character line. With an already old Luthor, this wouldn't work considering he would already have had a lot of time to help mankind.
"this is the foe I've been waiting all my life" could also work quite well - competition! (the pure essence of TL )