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thirtyapm
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And most of the time, purchasing a new PC is still a better option compared to upgrading components. | ||
radscorpion9
Canada2252 Posts
I hope instead this 'thunderclap' focuses more on developing a better phone recycling program as it has already been explained by many experts that this guy's idea isn't that feasible. | ||
Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
Naturally, having multiple motherboards and their own little cases and contact connectors that can be handled by hand takes up a lot of space. So this phone would either be huge and ridiculously heavy due to inefficient usage of space, or it would be similar to that concept design but would cost thousands if not tens of thousands of dollars because that's some NASA turbo space travel shit. | ||
VeryAverage
United States424 Posts
But all the engineers scoffing at it and rolling their eyes saying it's not possible is part of the reason people don't exactly like engineers. The guy is a designer, designers do the designing and the engineers do the.. well, doing. They need each other. If everybody immediately dropped an idea because it wasn't technologically possible at the time, I'm pretty sure we'd still be riding horses around and living in grass huts. Don't write it off forever, just maybe put it on hold. It would be brilliant if it worked. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24919 Posts
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
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magicmUnky
Australia280 Posts
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
At best it'll slightly lengthen the life cycle of a cell phone because the manufacturers would sell us the hardware equivalents of DLC. Still, they'll find way to make them obsolete through software or physical interface changes like "sockets". They'll make up excuses and shit. | ||
TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On September 14 2013 12:19 VeryAverage wrote: Could we make this with current technology? No. But all the engineers scoffing at it and rolling their eyes saying it's not possible is part of the reason people don't exactly like engineers. The guy is a designer, designers do the designing and the engineers do the.. well, doing. They need each other. If everybody immediately dropped an idea because it wasn't technologically possible at the time, I'm pretty sure we'd still be riding horses around and living in grass huts. Don't write it off forever, just maybe put it on hold. It would be brilliant if it worked. People don't like engineers? When did that happen? Designers can come up with the ideas, they can then talk to engineers and try to figure out a compromise of some sort. Or the designer can at least educate himself on what he is planning to design to come up with a reasonable idea on if itll work with the current realm. If not, come up with some possible solutions for the roadblocks. I am not an engineer, or a designer. Yet I still know enough about technology to know that his idea can't work exactly as he has it planned out. The reason I dont like this designer is because he is pushing it out without a second thought onto every single tech company out there by releasing this dreamlike CGI design. He is blaming them for a problem without coming up with any real solutions. He has ONE idea, when it takes dozens if not hundreds of ideas to put that ONE idea together. To give another possibly more related example of what hes done: He comes up with a concept car. It looks awesome, and he says itll go 0-60 in 2 seconds and can hit 300mph because it has 4,000HP and itll cost less than $100k to buy. It SOUNDS awesome, but is it realistic? Not really... you have to deal with how to fit that much HP into an engine that fits into the car, materials to handle the torque, aerodynamics to keep the car on the ground and drivable yet still able to somehow let all of the air pass by etc etc. | ||
ETisME
12083 Posts
while it is a super cool concept, I just can't see it getting too big. I don't think consumers are just going to switch to this product just because it is more eco friendly but I will just give it a support to see if it really works out or not :D | ||
Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
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VeryAverage
United States424 Posts
On September 14 2013 14:12 TheRabidDeer wrote: People don't like engineers? When did that happen? Designers can come up with the ideas, they can then talk to engineers and try to figure out a compromise of some sort. Or the designer can at least educate himself on what he is planning to design to come up with a reasonable idea on if itll work with the current realm. If not, come up with some possible solutions for the roadblocks. I am not an engineer, or a designer. Yet I still know enough about technology to know that his idea can't work exactly as he has it planned out. The reason I dont like this designer is because he is pushing it out without a second thought onto every single tech company out there by releasing this dreamlike CGI design. He is blaming them for a problem without coming up with any real solutions. He has ONE idea, when it takes dozens if not hundreds of ideas to put that ONE idea together. To give another possibly more related example of what hes done: He comes up with a concept car. It looks awesome, and he says itll go 0-60 in 2 seconds and can hit 300mph because it has 4,000HP and itll cost less than $100k to buy. It SOUNDS awesome, but is it realistic? Not really... you have to deal with how to fit that much HP into an engine that fits into the car, materials to handle the torque, aerodynamics to keep the car on the ground and drivable yet still able to somehow let all of the air pass by etc etc. The 2015 Nismo GTR said to clock in at 0-60 in 2.0 seconds.. Heck, the 2013 GTR can hit in in 2.7 seconds. Some cars hit in the 250-260 MPH range. Price tag? That 2013 GTR is just a touch over 100k (although only gets to about 190MPH). Technology is advancing rapidly. Like I said, it's not possible right now, but it's a very interesting design and could very easily be possible within a decade or so. Rather than saying "This won't work," people should say "Why can't this work and how can we make it work?" | ||
Rassy
Netherlands2308 Posts
It does not realy seem economically viable/neccesarely though. Phones are already dirt cheap to make like anny electronic device. There goes way more monney in the advertising,employe costs for assembling,transport and all then in the bare electronic parts wich cost maybe like 10$ or less a phone. Safing on parts wich this model/idea basicly does by re-using older parts does not realy seem that important,nor would it safe alot of monney on a complete phone as all the blocks need be advertised and shipped and all, so thoose costs wich make up the biggest part of a phones price will still be there and might even increase! Smart-phones will become dirt cheap to buy as well within a few years annyway i think. Take a dvd player for example, also lots of complicated parts like laser inside. Costed like 1000$ 10 years ago,200$ a few years ago and now you can buy a dvd player for 25$,and most of that 25 goes into transport,packing and secondary sales activities i guess. Phones will go the same way as soon as inovation stops, (wich will be the end of apples glory days,so now is a great time for the company to buy back shares at record high prices lol) 20m pixel camera? why the f would i need that in my phone:s It now is innovation for the sake of it and for the sake of comming with something new,not because we need it.It barely adds value for the user. | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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theBALLS
Singapore2935 Posts
On September 14 2013 00:42 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote: Quite the opposite. Engineers love to tinker with stuff, and don't usually mind when there are a few compatibility issues, they are happy to try and hack a way around it, heck it's half the fun of unpolished technology. In general, by the same principle, most engineers are happy with Linux. The problem is both the business and consumer side of things would scoff at it. Lets face it, the average consumer is 'tech savvy' in that they are good with technology in its designed operating parameters, but when it comes to repairs, modifications or understanding the fundamental operations of their device, they suddenly turn into a population of morons. It's the only reason I can think of that Apple is still able to sell desktop computers and laptops/notebooks, the fact of the matter is, in theory, being able to replace parts and tinkering with your device is great, in practice, not only does the average consumer not want to do it, they will pay a significant premium to not have to. The business side of things is going to resist it just as hard, with this idea shutting down planned obsolescence (consider how frequent people change phones, and how staggeringly expensive these phones are), and new form factors to give marketing something to... well... market (Cos face it, a data sheet on how performance has improved doesn't excite the average consumer like it would us engineers). Our big consumer electronic companies with their 'decision by accounting' philosophy to the engineering market are simply not going to like the business model when the existing model is so profitable. These pressures coupled with the fact that this architecture would render it impossible to optimise to the extent the modern phones are, and the fact that changing form factors (which modern phones still undergo with size/thickness changes) would mean in all likelyhood, you'd have to replace the vast majority of components on the Phoneblok periodically makes it a very tough sell. No, my friend. Engineers would scoff it off. At least for now. | ||
TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On September 14 2013 14:33 VeryAverage wrote: The 2015 Nismo GTR said to clock in at 0-60 in 2.0 seconds.. Heck, the 2013 GTR can hit in in 2.7 seconds. Some cars hit in the 250-260 MPH range. Price tag? That 2013 GTR is just a touch over 100k (although only gets to about 190MPH). Technology is advancing rapidly. Like I said, it's not possible right now, but it's a very interesting design and could very easily be possible within a decade or so. Rather than saying "This won't work," people should say "Why can't this work and how can we make it work?" I gave a list for a reason. It has to do ALL of those things. Aside from that, 0-60 in 2 seconds is unconfirmed. Considering 2014's does it in 2.7 (and the 1700+whp does it in 1.7) thatd be a pretty significant jump. Also, 250-260 is an entirely different league than 300. Also, I agree that people should say how can we make this work. However, the designer didnt. He made a video and said "if we shout loud enough something will happen" | ||
CorsairHero
Canada9487 Posts
On September 14 2013 14:53 theBALLS wrote: No, my friend. Engineers would scoff it off. At least for now. Yep....from a hardware perspective, how are all the pins and buses suppose to fit perfectly and interchangeably when going from a single core to quad core cpu as an example And to answer the OP, no I don't think anyone will adopt it. Hardware vendors would be heavily against it. | ||
Rassy
Netherlands2308 Posts
On September 14 2013 14:54 TheRabidDeer wrote: I gave a list for a reason. It has to do ALL of those things. Aside from that, 0-60 in 2 seconds is unconfirmed. Considering 2014's does it in 2.7 (and the 1700+whp does it in 1.7) thatd be a pretty significant jump. Also, 250-260 is an entirely different league than 300. Also, I agree that people should say how can we make this work. However, the designer didnt. He made a video and said "if we shout loud enough something will happen" Wow 250 mph car, awesome. Isnt the speed limit 60 mph in the usa though? If only we could drive 250 mph with an efficiency of 50+ miles/gallon. 180-200mph is still the limit for most normal sports cars,only a few verry exotic moddels can go over that. and 180-200 mph is a speed wich the top sports cars from the 70,s could do as well, And in the 50,s sports cars could do like 160. Cars are improving mostly in dafety and comfort, not in the area of top speed,nor in fuel efficiency. | ||
TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On September 14 2013 15:06 Rassy wrote: Wow 250 mph car, awesome. Isnt the speed limit 60 mph in the usa though? If only we could drive 250 mph with an efficiency of 50+ miles/gallon. 180-200mph is still the limit for most normal sports cars,only a few verry exotic moddels can go over that. and 180-200 mph is a speed wich the top sports cars from the 70,s could do as well, And in the 50,s sports cars could do like 160. Cars are improving but not in the area of top speed. I think the entire point of my post went completely over your head. | ||
sva
United States747 Posts
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