On February 28 2014 02:50 Vivax wrote: HF you have two or three posts highlighting in detail why mocsta shows scum mindset, then you question me about some stuff that gets answered anyway without you giving an update of how it changed your opinion. When suki comes back saying atmosphere is shit you instaswitch.
It's not at all clear that these other people show WAY more scummy things than Mocsta in your eyes, since I would argue that he's the guy you spent most of your arguments on.
suki has the most mafia mindset like i've explained in depth, you have a mindset of telling people that they have agendas but then displaying agendas yourself - sheeping thread sentiment when necessary with terrible terrible reasons to sheep onto mocsta, calling out people for not calling you out, not reading ANY OTHER POSTS OF YOUR SCUM READ but still calling him scummy based off his first post, geript is doing nothing in the slightest but pushing toad, has scum reads on me and toad but doesn't read a god damn thing i say but then apparently has epiphanies which make toad scummy that i pointed out a long time ago.
Geript is the only interchangeable person here out of the list because he is dumb, I could switch him with mocsta based on what i've written because geripts mindset is terrible but not entirely one that a town couldn't have, my vote is on suki because i've explained her the most, I think you are the second scummiest so i'd be ok switching to you too
Well now you can explain in detail who between Mocsta and me is more likely to be scum and why, weighing in both arguments you have, cause I don't see suki getting lynched anywhere soon, and frankly I don't see her going back and reading my meta to conclude that I'm not the best lynch if she's scum.
I have actually no idea what case Cavalinho is referring to... it's "toad said his case ...." so he could be referring to a case on you from someone else I commented on which didn't happen until just recently... Or he could be mistaken and it's about a case I made on someone else?
But yeah I had you as town in my sheet. After reading WoS case and checking some of those posts he mentioned in context (like the one I just quoted recently) you're down to neutral for me, which is the reason I ended up concluding I'd rather lynch Mocsta or geript which are both flashing red for me.
Holy still comes as 3rd, followed by now gumshoe and you as 4th and 5th from the bottom given that Ange looks pretty decent right now.
On February 28 2014 01:27 Vivax wrote: But hey. I'll make it for dummies just to make sure, you never know.
Premise: gumshoe scum.
Sees suki and moc calling each other scum. Thinks suki can look scummy. Doesn't simply say that suki is scummy for having "crafted" posts, like I would have expected if he was town. Sees that the two are having a debate. Townreads Moc cause he feels like he has to pick a side in the argument in order to attack suki. <- what I found scummy Why would he feel that way as scum? Cause he needs to keep his story straight, and thinks he would look scummy attacking suki without showing trust in the guy attacking her previously. He was already expecting the question: "But gum if you think suki is scummy, then what do you think of mocsta? They have been fighting after all." <- Which is the scummy mindset I imagined behind that post.
Which explains the insecurity in that post. And while picking a side he really didn't cause he immediately offered suki the explanation for her behaviour from a town point of view, which is more evidence of scared posting.
Now which are the most likely of Moc's and suki's alignments if a scum gumshoe felt that way? At the time I thought that it's a way in which scum would approach two fighting townies, but didn't discard that suki could be scum based on the premise that scum feels safer while bussing (and hence prefers to pick the townies side in an argument).
Right or wrong, that's all my reasoning on that post. And repeating it makes me want to lynch gumshoe again althought his meta looks different from last scumgame.
Assuming you bilieve I'm scum, why is your vote still on Mocsta? From your reasoning here, you state if I am scum, either moc and suki are town, or Suki is more likely scum between the two. You have two stances that are in firm clash with one another. So am I or Mocsta scum? I feel the need to ask because you clearly dont think we both are, but are more than willing to push the both of us.
Well the part in that post of suki that bothers me is this one:
One of the main things that I disliked about Vivax's play was that he didn't seem like he was interested in scum hunting, particularly in the beginning of the game. I think that it's more consistent with his town meta.
I started the game by getting at rayn, getting at geript and asking him questions about WoS. I don't see how that's not scumhunting as opposed to drawing shitty paint pictures, and even more I don't see how not scumhunting is supposed to be my town meta. Am I scumhunting more as scum or what?
On February 28 2014 02:56 Vivax wrote: What case, he said he didn't like that post, but otherwise I'm a townread according to his spreadsheet, posted after the post he didn't like. A case is a summary of explanations explaining why somebody is scum.
I need to know if your axe is with me or with mocsta. And I gain from the last part that you think WoS should be looked at more closely.
Herp derp, I just realized that I've been misreading everything and that WoS was the one posting all that stuff. At any rate, just switch all of my comments about Toad to WoS and it's the same thing.
All the things I can bring up right now all feel like they won't have much impact on anything. Suki asked me to vote earlier after she made her case on TheChyz, but I'm not sure whether to take that as her trying to see what I'm doing in my first not newbie game, or trying to save herself because she had more votes than Chyz.
Also, I don't think I'm going to be voting you today. Aside from all the nitpicking, nobody really seems to be going out of their way to defend you and it seems like you're way to easy to lynch if someone decided to push really hard.
Chyz and geript are still two people that I don't particularly like right now. Mocsta, at the very least, addressed what I was saying earlier making me think that he's actually going back to try and figure things out, whereas geript is just tunneling and saying "I need you guys to trust me."
On February 28 2014 03:08 Vivax wrote: Gum, it was speculation under the premise that you would rather bus than give your buddy a townread.
Being speculation I can't know if it actually applies, so I'm not following that rule to the letter, especially not without knowing your alignment.
Speculation or not, when townies have reads they form thier play around them, or drop those reads entirely to pursue new ones, here your doing the opposite, providing evidence that hurts one of your own cases, and not dropping it entirely. The only explanation I can fathom for such self damaging play is that you saw an opportunity to make a lynch happened, but werent confident enough to drop your old one in favour of it.
Vivax i'm reading your filter and looking at everything you've posted about mocsta, it all leads to "he's playing passive" with no real push and therefore you've classified him as scum, I see no real push yourself on mocsta, no real basis for pushing this read over everyone else in the game that has been pushed. You've questioned him sure but no proper conclusions were drawn, no attempt to rationalise whether what he was doing was coming from a towny standpoint or a scummy one.
Gumshoe took a stance that mocsta's play was town mocsta, whereas you took the stance to mean that it's scum mocsta but then you criticise gumshoe for coming to a conclusion on his play like you have also done. Even now, the town atmosphere seems to be on top of you and you're directing people mocsta's way and getting THEM to explain it rather than saving yourself by pointing out exactly what makes him scum. Even now you're trying to make me elaborate on things that i've already elaborated on.
Also, I don't think I'm going to be voting you today. Aside from all the nitpicking, nobody really seems to be going out of their way to defend you and it seems like you're way to easy to lynch if someone decided to push really hard.
caval, vivax only has 3 votes on him with 6 hours left in the day, in no way is that indicative of a lynch on a towny and the lack of defence on him is not indicative either, look specifically at his play rather than what other people are doing because i have seen people defend him earlier on in the thread and when people that look towny rayn/wos/me start posting our intentions on possible vivax lynches then that is where you look for people that sheep after we state our stances
On February 27 2014 14:15 suki wrote: I can see why people are calling me out for having such a bad conclusion to my case on TheChyz. All I can say is it's been retardedly frustrating to not be able to play when so much is going on in this game. My analysis on TheChyz was cut short because of time. I wasn't able to pressure people or comment on more people because of time. Now that I have some time I am going to read Chyz again and also comment on a lot more people.
TheChyz Part 2
TheChyz's play this game I described earlier as weak. He hasn't commented on people, hasn't really applied pressure. His top case is geript which he's been pushing all game.
He seems unusually hmm.. responsive, to people's accusations of his play:
On February 26 2014 15:19 TheChyz wrote: Ye, I played reckless. So I'm not allowed to play differently and have my philosophies change? Don't know what your leading to. All your doing is pointing out a playstyle that you probably don't agree with. Doesn't mean you have to like it. And im pretty sure both you and I would actually rather try to look for actual scum then keep talking about this thread clogging argument. Yes?
On February 27 2014 05:46 Holyflare wrote: Still want thechyz to answer this by the way it's the only thing i want him to write about before i get a stance on him x_x
On February 26 2014 20:47 Holyflare wrote: TheChyz you were getting called out for your filter not really saying much and your response was that you don't like to call someone mafia for doing 1 scummy thing, yet, in the next few posts you make a case on geript that literally only focuses on 1 aspect of his play (although he has shit all yes). What changed between those few posts that you felt compelled to make a case on someone who isn't doing much, has been talked about for the exact reasons you posted before and is doing nothing before you have even talked to them?
On February 26 2014 15:12 TheChyz wrote: You guys can play having 1 scummy thing on someone and immediately call them mafia. I don't.
On February 26 2014 16:38 TheChyz wrote: kk. With geript I still have a problem of how he was so quick to say that rayn and toad couldn't be scum together. There was no explanation why he made that conclusion until I finally made him answer with
On February 26 2014 12:26 TheChyz wrote: Hey geript I'm not a moron you know. My memory lasts more than a few minutes. Would you mind explain why rayn and toad can't be scum together. (for the third time...)
A few things. One is how chummy they are early makes it unlikely they'd be together. Second, Rayn is probably town for his geript cop joke; it took me like 3 minutes to get that one. Third, I like Rayn's WoS vote and minor push; WoS has been trolling really weird to start off with and isn't his usual witty self. Fourth, they wouldn't both likely push back against me as scum together this early. Like I'm apparently unreadable to people which is totally crazy in my mind.
All of these points are terrible. It seems more like he just put out some random statement and after being asked to answer on it it seems like he is backtracking. See how he goes to make several points. Not only does it seem like he is trying to be over defensive but that most of them are just a big pile of poop. Let's go over the points: 1) I don't even know what chummy means but it seems like the way you guys are acting early on. Again that doesn't really say anything and is something anybody can say about almost anything. 2) He is backtracking to a joke rayn made that makes him town? Well shit i think he just solved mafia. People making jokes = town. I don't understand the context but I believe that is irrelevant. 3) I don't even understand this one. Something again that rayn is towny to him. 4) Saying how its unlikely for something to happen which does not seem unlikely at all.
In all of these points, NOTHING again answers why he think rayn and toad cannot be scum together. If anything it seems more like he is developing a rayn town read. This all seems like a load of backtracking and most likely hoping that he wouldn't get called out for his words before hand.
Apart from that everything else just has no effort to even try and scum hunt. Thought he was kinda scummy but not this scummy until re-reading his filter now.
Did kiterayn just fly away on you? ##Vote geript
I was getting shit for playing the way I wanted to play and people wouldn't stop circlejerking around the fact that I don't play like they expect. So instead of trying to argue about philosophies in which is such a tangential topic I decided that I would have to learn to play the TL way and give them what they expect of me and that is to make a case. And also I had my thoughts on geript as most scummy for quiet some time in the game so thats why I talked about him.
This is interesting because looking at his play from Newbie LI, it shows that as town he was aggressive, posted cases on people, wasn't afraid to call people scummy and pressure them: + Show Spoiler +
On January 06 2014 12:08 TheChyz wrote: Ok I think my little posts before I had to go afk helped generate enough argument to start conversations going. I actually total love the idea of trying to catch bandwagoners early and since Balla posted something similar to the train of thought I usually have I thought someone would catch the link. If you did, congrats.
I don't really like Day_Walkers entrance since basically he just gives us a list and then says that he leaves. From my personal experience I tend to give lists a lot when I am mafia and post very little. There is no reason to provide a list unless you have to (getting lynched, etc) imo. He is also the only one that seems to kinda still ride the end of the "vote chyz" bandwagon and then labels everybody else as town. Seems like a very safe move. If you think I'm scum why not put your vote where your mouth is? Don't like him very much at the moment and would like to hear more from him apart from the "agreeing with ..." slogan that you seem to use so very much.
##Vote: Day_Walker
On January 06 2014 12:52 TheChyz wrote: I have nothing to say to the question since I didn't actually mean what I had previously said (right near the start of game). Overall tho I liked his post response since it seems to have original thought put into it aswell as a vote. That reads more town to me and at the moment he and you (Balla) have been the most active so I have nothing to say negative about him atm since there are much better people to focus on atm.
On January 06 2014 15:56 TheChyz wrote: So Dragoon, it seems like you don't think Asuna should be a possible lynch target. Why is that so?
On January 07 2014 01:01 TheChyz wrote: I would like to bring up a player that has kinda hidden back into the shadows and that is dnyarri. When he first posts, I find it ironic since he says that it is easy for lurkers to bandwagon in which he proceeds to bandwagon anyways. He also seems to bring no argument to the table but mostly facts and his argument is circular logic stuff. It goes more or less like this, "since DayWalker made the list in which he says theChyz is scum then theChyz is scum, but because of theChyz's points then DayWalker is also scummy". To me it seems like he just read my filter and saw my vote for DayWalker and also checked his out. This is a good move because if I came up as mafia then he would be safe, but if not then he has a strong fallback on another player. I may be overanalyzing the first post, but that is not even the most important.
The moment he gets challenged he switches immediately from me to Dragoon, which he didn't even mention at all! There was nothing to imply this. AND, later on in his posts the only people he mentions are myself, Dragoon, and DayWalker. So he also just read Dragoon's post and just mashed it in together in his second paragraph which just seems like more facts and analysis taken from other people.
Out of all of the points, the strongest still stands as when he gets challenged about me, he flops and goes on a new target all together.
##Unvote ##Vote: dnyarri
Here's what I see. TheChyz rolled scum, played a really underwhelming early game and got shit for it. He then tried to look better by posting cases, and said he was just trying to play the way people expected him to play.
His play this game does not resemble his town game from LI, and I feel that there is plenty of reason for this if he's scum. When he was town, he pressured people, wasn't afraid to give reads and speak up. This game he just sorts of coasts in the background, trying to appease people by 'changing his style' but not really pushing or pressuring anyone.
TheChyz conveniently comes up with something he finds "strange" on Mocsta (without calling it scummy), when Mocsta gets under heat from Rayn.
On February 26 2014 17:44 TheChyz wrote: Also on Mocsta which I didn't mention before because I thought it was not too important but all of the first posts with suki it seems like a tone of just telling her things and coaching her through the game. Just some strange interaction early on that now that mocstas read on suki changed from having some suspicion to the 2nd best town read (as rayn mentioned already)
On February 26 2014 09:38 Mocsta wrote: Sukmi U seem most out of place for me so far
Everyone else is relatively carefree whereas u seem more try hard - in particular your claim is overly worded
I get the history with toad, but your approach is not conducive towards gleaning alignment either
On February 26 2014 09:55 Mocsta wrote:
On February 26 2014 09:47 suki wrote:
On February 26 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote:
On February 26 2014 09:42 suki wrote:
On February 26 2014 09:38 Mocsta wrote: Sukmi U seem most out of place for me so far
Everyone else is relatively carefree whereas u seem more try hard - in particular your claim is overly worded
I get the history with toad, but your approach is not conducive towards gleaning alignment either
So are you saying I'm scummy?
Scummiest so far, yes
So then why isn't your vote on me?
This is an unusually passive aggressive approach for early game.- And something I throw out as scum all the time.
Instead of trying to understand if my read on u is genuine or feigned, u play the psychological game and twist my lack of vote as something scummy. That diversion is it self very scummy.
Now suki, were u aware harry potter is not in the game??
On February 26 2014 10:07 Mocsta wrote:
On February 26 2014 10:01 suki wrote:
On February 26 2014 09:55 Mocsta wrote:
On February 26 2014 09:47 suki wrote:
On February 26 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote:
On February 26 2014 09:42 suki wrote:
On February 26 2014 09:38 Mocsta wrote: Sukmi U seem most out of place for me so far
Everyone else is relatively carefree whereas u seem more try hard - in particular your claim is overly worded
I get the history with toad, but your approach is not conducive towards gleaning alignment either
So are you saying I'm scummy?
Scummiest so far, yes
So then why isn't your vote on me?
This is an unusually passive aggressive approach for early game.- And something I throw out as scum all the time.
Instead of trying to understand if my read on u is genuine or feigned, u play the psychological game and twist my lack of vote as something scummy. That diversion is it self very scummy.
Now suki, were u aware harry potter is not in the game??
lol what.
##vote Mocsta
I never said anything you were doing so far was scummy, so who is twisting whose words? You, on the other hand, seem really intent on twisting the things I say to be scummy.
Also I'm Harry Potter, of course I'm in the game. (and for the record I'm a different Harry Potter than the game rayn linked).
suki.
I am confused why u r actually voting me.
U have listed actions u think I have taken, yet failed to comment on why those actions are scummy.
Can u go into more detail please.
Like, what's the point of this observation? Mocsta is 'coaching' me (which I don't know how he got that since Mocsta was clearly attacking me). It seems to be putting suspicion on Mocsta without outright saying it. He then asks a few questions to Mocsta but doesn't ever come to any conclusion on him until he's asked by Vivax.
On February 27 2014 08:29 TheChyz wrote: I still don't understand vivax why you wouldn't take a look at me after quiet a bit of the voting has gone my way. Do you somehow know I'm town? My filter is short enough so it surely is not the effort required.
This post also struck me as Chyz wondering why Vivax isn't suspicious of him, as if he knows he's scummy. I originally had this as a scummy point against Chyz but looking at Chyz's filter from newbie LI he seemed to question people on why they had a town read on him in his town game. So I think this comes out as a null point.
Summary:
I think TheChyz's play has changed in a scummy way compared to his town game. His tunnel on geript is bad and uncharacteristic of him. His case on geript is bad but he seems to have no problem pushing it and only it. He made a half-case on Mocsta but fails to say why Mocsta's actions make him scummy, but Mocsta is the only other person he's really talked about. He kind of commented on Vivax but again didn't come to any conclusion.
All of this I feel is more likely to come from a scum Chyz.
##vote TheChyz
Isn't it remarkably convenient how Chyz's meta, something you didn't take into account initially despite knowing first hand how hand how easily exploitable it is, just so happens to support your existing case? Besides, this game chyz is tunneling Geript, just like he did day walker in the newbie game, while offering asides here and there. He is less yolo, but bear in mind, that was his first game and have you even considered that he might have toned down his play as a direct result of getting mislynched (by you no less)?
Also I would describe Jar Jar's play as mediocre at best, hes mostly just sheeped you. The fact that you would pick out meh qoutes in his play and upgrade him to townie is wierd. Scum reads>town reads, townies dont just find meh play to be green, because they wanna find scum, not pre-emptively clear people. Yet you and Jar Jar have had alot of confidence in one another throughout this game for moderate reasons. Yeah nope, I'm not buying it, of the two of you Jar is more likely scum, because he just abandoned you to get either one of us lynched. But I'm not satisfied with your reasoning for finding him towny / :
Also this is funny,
Hey Crossfire! :D Yeah the memory of that game is still fresh in my mind.. I told my boyfriend that I signed up for this mafia and he was like 'seriously? you were so stressed the whole time you played the last game'
Haha. But I'm kinda glad that it ended the way it did, it makes for a really good story
This qoute, from that same newbie game, sounds awfully similar to how you started this game, I'd also like to point out that your cases were quite well put together there as well, your a pretty damm good player, but I dont think your a towny one ) :
Summary of my gumshoe case since I didn't get many responses and he's ignored it and is again spouting the same nonsense:
On February 27 2014 23:11 JarJarDrinks wrote: ##vote Gumshoe
First off his case against me is garbage. He says things like I'm buddying to Suki even though he supposedly has us both as scum teammates. He selectively pulls quotes from my posts to make me look bad. Like he spends a ton of time talking about how I'm all in w/ suki
On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote: From here on out, Jar mostly pushes me and Moc and at the foundation of this crusade is his staunch bilief in Suki.
On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote: For now I'll switch my vote onto Jar, because the dudes based his accusations against me on my undying love for Moc, while his loyalty to Suki, which has defined his play for more than mine to Moc, is more so questionable and pretty much unexplained.
That's alll from his case against me. I think he mentioned suki more in that one post then I have the entire thread. All I said about her was how I thought Moc made a bad case against her and then later on when Moc asked me what I thought about her I said she read town to me.
Gumshoe is completely misrepresenting my play. Read my filter and tell me if you think "much of [My] style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki." It's a total horseshit case.
I also think his townread on moc is just too disingenuous. He townread him real early in the game for terrible reasons and now he's basically treating him as confirmed town:
On February 27 2014 09:20 Vivax wrote: That post kinda makes me more confident that he's scum. He doesn't fight back.
Opposite for me ) : Mocsta would be a lot more spiteful here as scum, shit like "lol, this town sucks" here he just sounds sad, first time he roles town in ages and hes day 1 lynched.
On February 27 2014 23:11 JarJarDrinks wrote: I also think his townread on moc is just too disingenuous. He townread him real early in the game for terrible reasons and now he's basically treating him as confirmed town:
On February 27 2014 09:26 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:25 Vivax wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:24 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:20 Vivax wrote: That post kinda makes me more confident that he's scum. He doesn't fight back.
Opposite for me ) : Mocsta would be a lot more spiteful here as scum, shit like "lol, this town sucks" here he just sounds sad, first time he roles town in ages and hes day 1 lynched.
Wat³
You heard me, all in, Mocsta is town.
He just can't possibly be that confident.
And like, if you look @ GSL, he gave off that same air of confidence w/ his scumread on Mattchew. It may be a townread vs a scumread but he comes off very similiar.
On February 27 2014 23:16 JarJarDrinks wrote: More similarities between GSL and this game
On February 27 2014 12:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also gumshoe has no fucking idea what he is talking about when he is talking about Mocsta's play in GSL IV. We played pretty normally on D1. Only after our fucking scumteam decided to lurk the shit out of the game and half of the town did the same thing we decided the game was boring and started posting shit, Mocsta scumclaimed etc. The last game has nothing to do with Mocsta's meta because the game was shit and we were bored. Mocsta has never ever played like that game as mafia and he probably never will.
gumshoe makes an argument. JJD answers the argument. gumshoe asks him to elaborate more on his answer. JJD proves his statement. gumshoe says "no that was not my argument, in fact it was this (something else)". That makes absolutely no sense.
I never changed my argument, point out how I did, I just realized that Mocsta taking back his case doesn't change anything.
Then why did you ask me to find the post?
Cause I couldnt, didnt really matter to me anyways, I just like to make you work on something other than destroying town and murdering its babies.
On February 22 2014 02:56 gumshoe wrote: I did nothing but attack scum until Vivax raised a case against me, which is pretty much what I do every game that I dont uber lurk. I do play and think a bit "odd" and players both green and red usually pass that behaviour off as scummy. If you Vivax and everyone else start finding "unexplainable" motives here and there(as one enthuastic townie once said about my posts) theres not much I can do but sincerely ask you to reconsider ) : I'm not scum and from my view point, however skewed it might be, I've communicated that through my actions. I assure you I have a fantastic lurker meta to fall back on should I ever roll red, but thats not where I'm at this game, and it'll piss me off to no end if I get mislynched and am forced to imagine Matt's laughter roll across the vaulted ceilings of his super secret scum layer.
On February 28 2014 03:36 JarJarDrinks wrote: Summary of my gumshoe case since I didn't get many responses and he's ignored it and is again spouting the same nonsense:
On February 27 2014 23:11 JarJarDrinks wrote: ##vote Gumshoe
First off his case against me is garbage. He says things like I'm buddying to Suki even though he supposedly has us both as scum teammates. He selectively pulls quotes from my posts to make me look bad. Like he spends a ton of time talking about how I'm all in w/ suki
On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote: I dont like Jar Jar, much of his style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki.
On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote: From here on out, Jar mostly pushes me and Moc and at the foundation of this crusade is his staunch bilief in Suki.
On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote: Later on he asserts his Suki read without proof.
On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote: Also, despite Jar Jar buddying her to extreme lengths, Suki has not once mentioned him.
On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote: For now I'll switch my vote onto Jar, because the dudes based his accusations against me on my undying love for Moc, while his loyalty to Suki, which has defined his play for more than mine to Moc, is more so questionable and pretty much unexplained.
That's alll from his case against me. I think he mentioned suki more in that one post then I have the entire thread. All I said about her was how I thought Moc made a bad case against her and then later on when Moc asked me what I thought about her I said she read town to me.
Gumshoe is completely misrepresenting my play. Read my filter and tell me if you think "much of [My] style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki." It's a total horseshit case.
I also think his townread on moc is just too disingenuous. He townread him real early in the game for terrible reasons and now he's basically treating him as confirmed town:
On February 27 2014 09:26 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:25 Vivax wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:24 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:20 Vivax wrote: That post kinda makes me more confident that he's scum. He doesn't fight back.
Opposite for me ) : Mocsta would be a lot more spiteful here as scum, shit like "lol, this town sucks" here he just sounds sad, first time he roles town in ages and hes day 1 lynched.
On February 27 2014 23:11 JarJarDrinks wrote: I also think his townread on moc is just too disingenuous. He townread him real early in the game for terrible reasons and now he's basically treating him as confirmed town:
On February 27 2014 09:26 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:25 Vivax wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:24 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:20 Vivax wrote: That post kinda makes me more confident that he's scum. He doesn't fight back.
Opposite for me ) : Mocsta would be a lot more spiteful here as scum, shit like "lol, this town sucks" here he just sounds sad, first time he roles town in ages and hes day 1 lynched.
Wat³
You heard me, all in, Mocsta is town.
He just can't possibly be that confident.
And like, if you look @ GSL, he gave off that same air of confidence w/ his scumread on Mattchew. It may be a townread vs a scumread but he comes off very similiar.
On February 27 2014 23:16 JarJarDrinks wrote: More similarities between GSL and this game
On February 27 2014 12:20 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2014 12:18 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 27 2014 12:16 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2014 12:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also gumshoe has no fucking idea what he is talking about when he is talking about Mocsta's play in GSL IV. We played pretty normally on D1. Only after our fucking scumteam decided to lurk the shit out of the game and half of the town did the same thing we decided the game was boring and started posting shit, Mocsta scumclaimed etc. The last game has nothing to do with Mocsta's meta because the game was shit and we were bored. Mocsta has never ever played like that game as mafia and he probably never will.
gumshoe makes an argument. JJD answers the argument. gumshoe asks him to elaborate more on his answer. JJD proves his statement. gumshoe says "no that was not my argument, in fact it was this (something else)". That makes absolutely no sense.
I never changed my argument, point out how I did, I just realized that Mocsta taking back his case doesn't change anything.
Then why did you ask me to find the post?
Cause I couldnt, didnt really matter to me anyways, I just like to make you work on something other than destroying town and murdering its babies.
On February 22 2014 02:56 gumshoe wrote: I did nothing but attack scum until Vivax raised a case against me, which is pretty much what I do every game that I dont uber lurk. I do play and think a bit "odd" and players both green and red usually pass that behaviour off as scummy. If you Vivax and everyone else start finding "unexplainable" motives here and there(as one enthuastic townie once said about my posts) theres not much I can do but sincerely ask you to reconsider ) : I'm not scum and from my view point, however skewed it might be, I've communicated that through my actions. I assure you I have a fantastic lurker meta to fall back on should I ever roll red, but thats not where I'm at this game, and it'll piss me off to no end if I get mislynched and am forced to imagine Matt's laughter roll across the vaulted ceilings of his super secret scum layer.
You are my number one scum read, I see no reason to discuss anything with you.
On February 27 2014 09:17 Mocsta wrote: I'm liking geript. As scum he could be trying to look good by town reading me, but his reasons seemed decent and not bullshit. It at least showed he thought about it which I thinks important with one caveat. He normally calls me town for moclogic which he hasn't dine here. Either way he's a terrible lynch for today.
On February 28 2014 01:22 Mocsta wrote: 13. Geript (filter) Too many illogical thought processes. Keeps of taking, but doesnt give back. Its difficult to express my distaste without a filter dive; but I get the feelings hes hamming up a destructive meta. I think he even alluded to this early game when I said as scum I like to infiiltrate town, and he said, not everyone is like that. I also really dislike he didnt town read me for moclogic. (a town Geript trademark)
I dunno why I feel so strong about quite a few ppl being town, but yeah, thats where I am currently.
OK, can someone else please ask gumshoe to back his claim that I've mostly sheeped suki. Or explain why he's continuing to make stuff up even after I already shot his case to shit?
On February 27 2014 09:17 Mocsta wrote: I'm liking geript. As scum he could be trying to look good by town reading me, but his reasons seemed decent and not bullshit. It at least showed he thought about it which I thinks important with one caveat. He normally calls me town for moclogic which he hasn't dine here. Either way he's a terrible lynch for today.
On February 28 2014 01:22 Mocsta wrote: 13. Geript (filter) Too many illogical thought processes. Keeps of taking, but doesnt give back. Its difficult to express my distaste without a filter dive; but I get the feelings hes hamming up a destructive meta. I think he even alluded to this early game when I said as scum I like to infiiltrate town, and he said, not everyone is like that. I also really dislike he didnt town read me for moclogic. (a town Geript trademark)
I dunno why I feel so strong about quite a few ppl being town, but yeah, thats where I am currently.
What is scums motive for back tracking while no one is willing to lynch Geript? Do you honestly bilieve were lynching G today? Do you think Moc does? Hes saying this because hes honestly changing a read, there is a day in between those posts, opinions can shift. If Moc is scum the last thing he wants to do is turn a guy who thinks hes town into yet another enemy, if hes trying to avoid his own mislynch this is not the way he would do it.
On February 28 2014 02:04 Toadesstern wrote: okay I'm back and I see another pile of bullshit from geript. That guy is getting lynched today. At some point it's just enough.
##unvote ##vote Geript
On February 28 2014 03:02 Toadesstern wrote: I have actually no idea what case Cavalinho is referring to... it's "toad said his case ...." so he could be referring to a case on you from someone else I commented on which didn't happen until just recently... Or he could be mistaken and it's about a case I made on someone else?
But yeah I had you as town in my sheet. After reading WoS case and checking some of those posts he mentioned in context (like the one I just quoted recently) you're down to neutral for me, which is the reason I ended up concluding I'd rather lynch Mocsta or geript which are both flashing red for me.
Holy still comes as 3rd, followed by now gumshoe and you as 4th and 5th from the bottom given that Ange looks pretty decent right now.
Funny how Toad backs off on his read on Cavalinho. It's like he never had any read on him in the first place. Like there's 0 reason in his filter for ever having a read on him and there's no reason for him ever having him town now. Well played scum.