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Korea (South)169 Posts
Hello, I’m chudds with the IeSF, International e-Sports Federation. For those of you who are unaware of what the IeSF is, we are the International Governing Body of e-Sports. Our main goals are to create National e-Sports Federations in each country and promote e-Sports to the International Governing Bodies of Sports, such as the Olympic committee and the Sports Accord. As of now we have 46 National e-Sports Federations around the globe from Canada all the way to Korea and are always trying to expand into new countries around the world. We attended the Sports Accord conference and were able to discuss with the board of directors about an opportunity for e-Sports to be recognized by the Sports Accord, which would be a big step to get e-Sports accepted as a Sport and receive all the benefits alongside that.
Recently there has been some controversy in the e-Sports community over female leagues and trying to gain acceptance from the international governing bodies of sports because some believe that e-Sports should not try to be a sport. We want to get an idea of what the fans of e-Sports believe. Do you think e-Sports are a sport or not?
Vote here: http://strawpoll.me/1594117 For more information about the IeSF and its’ member nations head to our website http://www.ie-sf.org/ TLDR: Do you think e-Sports are a sport?
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Northern Ireland20781 Posts
I'd totally be happy to see E-sports be somewhat legitimised, and good to hear from such organisations on TL
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Strange question, strange looking outfit. Korea links to Kespa, is this effectively Kespa? A self appointed body for all esports? Sounds potentially a little sinister.
edit: Chuddinater seems to be KeSPA so I guess this isn't an independent thing.
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Korea (South)169 Posts
On April 29 2014 10:27 mostevil wrote: Strange question, strange looking outfit. Korea links to Kespa, is this effectively Kespa? A self appointed body for all esports? Sounds potentially a little sinister.
No, KeSPA is a national e-Sports Federation and is a part of the IeSF along with the other 46 national e-Sports federations around the world.
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United States744 Posts
I don't know how much weight a strawpoll is going to carry if you were going to use it to try and make a case for e-Sports being a sport. I think depending on the demographic of the people primarily in charge of the Sports Accord, it may be nearly impossible to convince them that e-Sports are a "sport". In and of itself "sport" is hard to define for the same reasons, what you grow up with shapes your perception of it, and it's unlikely to find a whole lot of older people to agree that something they are largely unfamiliar with and doesn't include many of the traditionally accepted aspects of "sports" is a "sport". I hope that they are more easily convinced, as it really is the only way to make progress, but I'm a little cynical about their objectivity on the matter. I think to make a stronger case for e-Sports being a sport you need to consider things beyond women's leagues (even though they are definitely an important part) but things such as economic implications. I'm no economics expert, but I do know that e-Sports is definitely a profitable industry not only in production but for professionalism. That is, you can make money viably by both being involved in the design, development, and sale of video games, as well as the business side of managing teams and paying players and producing events, much like other traditional sports events, where spectators come to watch and buy merchandise and cheer for the professionals playing. I'd like to write more but I can't right now, but hopefully that helps at all.
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On April 29 2014 10:32 Chuddinater wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 10:27 mostevil wrote: Strange question, strange looking outfit. Korea links to Kespa, is this effectively Kespa? A self appointed body for all esports? Sounds potentially a little sinister. No, KeSPA is a national e-Sports Federation and is a part of the IeSF along with the other 46 national e-Sports federations around the world.
But you work for both?
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Korea (South)169 Posts
We aren't using this to try and make a case for e-Sports being a sport. IeSF just wants to see what the fans believe.
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Korea (South)169 Posts
On April 29 2014 10:40 mostevil wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 10:32 Chuddinater wrote:On April 29 2014 10:27 mostevil wrote: Strange question, strange looking outfit. Korea links to Kespa, is this effectively Kespa? A self appointed body for all esports? Sounds potentially a little sinister. No, KeSPA is a national e-Sports Federation and is a part of the IeSF along with the other 46 national e-Sports federations around the world. But you work for both?
They asked me to help them reach out to the TL and reddit community because I am more familiar with it then they are.
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It's a shame that no one, even a positive member of the community, can post things without getting rude responses.
To the OP: Yes, e-Sports is a sport. Hard to believe that anyone here thinks otherwise. if you don't believe in e-Sports, why are you even a member of this site?
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Considering how many times we've spoken about this I'm going to give you my blunt answer. No it's not a sport. It's competitive gaming and there is nothing wrong with that. With regards to the Olympics. There's a reason why they call it the Olympic Games-- games are included. I'm more interested to hear about this women's league and how they're trying to lobby.
On April 29 2014 10:55 Steelo_Rivers wrote: It's a shame that no one, even a positive member of the community, can post things without getting rude responses.
To the OP: Yes, e-Sports is a sport. Hard to believe that anyone here thinks otherwise. if you don't believe in e-Sports, why are you even a member of this site?
It's jargon because it's not inclusive. Listen to the fan boys moan and groan when it comes to other games. Not everyone is a firm believer when it comes to all titles. It's not hard to believe if you've been reading all those threads with regards to sport and esports.
Some people believe in League, others enjoy Dota and what do you know some people like BW or SC2. Enjoy what you enjoy and stick to it.
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I think every competitive game is a sport by definition, so for me it's a yes. Please, spare me the dictionary quotes, i don't give a damn. I don't really care about the (non-)existance of female leagues, as i'm atm not convinced of the advantages of being a man (or woman).
On April 29 2014 11:09 StarStruck wrote: Also this poll is kind isn't the best indicator because who do you think your audience is exactly? The sample is meh. A bias would not be out of the ordinary indeed...
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Also this poll is kind isn't the best indicator because who do you think your audience is exactly? The sample is meh.
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I believe that the second choice in the poll is not accurately indicative of people's feelings towards e-sports. For example, a person who believes that e-sports is far superior to traditional sports would say that e-sports is not a sport, because it is beyond that. Similarly, a person who believes that e-sports is not up to the standards of traditional sports would choose that option too. Hence, you will have 2 groups of people with diametrically opposite views voting on the same choice
Also, I think you should create a poll regarding the legitimacy of female leagues. That might turn out to be quite interesting.
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Korea (South)169 Posts
On April 29 2014 11:09 StarStruck wrote: Also this poll is kind isn't the best indicator because who do you think your audience is exactly? The sample is meh. True, but what other means are there to directly get the feedback from fans besides sites like reddit and TL?
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Does they have to be a women's league for it to be considered a "sport"? I see why their needs to be a gender segregation in most sports. But eSports? I can't see why a women would have an advantage / disadvantage in that regard. I would cite Scarlett, but as she is transgender, not sure if she would count. I believe it's male dominated mostly due to cultural perspective.
edit :but yeah, I believe that eSports is a sport. And I would love it too be internationally recognized.
When my friends give me the old "what? You watch OTHER people play video games?!", my answer is simple.
Why do you watch football? (football is an easy one because I'm English) Their answers are normally; "It's a game I enjoy playing" "it's a game which can be played at an extremely high skill level " "It's a game that can very exciting to watch" All of which applies to starcraft, and DOTA and LOL for that matter. When I put it to them like that, they tend to come around to the idea. (I have to this a lot, because I have no IRL geek friends)
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On April 29 2014 11:15 Chuddinater wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 11:09 StarStruck wrote: Also this poll is kind isn't the best indicator because who do you think your audience is exactly? The sample is meh. True, but what other means are there to directly get the feedback from fans besides sites like reddit and TL?
Well, that's the thing you're looking for responses directly from the fanatics of competitive gaming, so whereas you might get some people arguing the latter like myself you sort of know how they're going to respond to such a question, no? I would think most people would lobby such a thing if they thought it would beneficial for competitive gaming.
Maybe segregate the Korean demographics like travelling around Korean Campuses (post secondary) and simply asking those who walk-by, or if you want to expand it. Go to popular destinations around the city and ask at will if you don't just want to hear what the fanatics think. I think it might be a good idea to get what the general public thinks.
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Read what Chuddinator wrote. The IeSF is trying to get an idea if fans believe it is a sport. They're not using it to make the claim that eSports is or should be a sport. This should clear up the confusion about sample type and the validity of a straw poll
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Sport: an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.
I guess eSports can be considered a sport by those criteria, but I always preferred the term Progaming. Our passion is different, we compete all around the world, and we aren't about brawn and size as we are about the ability to think fast and have good reactions and knowledge. If we ever get considered a sport I'd be ok with it, but I also think we have no need to try and fit in with sports. Esports is growing so much right now. DotA is selling out arenas, LoL is getting more viewers for their world championship that the Stanley cup, and traditional sporting events aren't as popular as they used to be. The Super Bowl in America is the biggest example I can think of; they struggled to sell out the arena, and what is normally a gigantic bonanza of primetime ad space was filled with only a few unimpressive commercials. We're watching Esports get bigger than traditional sports day by day. In ten years, people will turn on their TV's to watch progaming and wear jerseys of their favorite gamer. We can call ourselves whatever we want, as long as we recognize how far our passion has brought us and will continue to bring us Edit: TLDR; I wanted to come up with a really fancy way to say I'm on the fence
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Korea (South)169 Posts
On April 29 2014 11:26 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 11:15 Chuddinater wrote:On April 29 2014 11:09 StarStruck wrote: Also this poll is kind isn't the best indicator because who do you think your audience is exactly? The sample is meh. True, but what other means are there to directly get the feedback from fans besides sites like reddit and TL? Well, that's the thing you're looking for responses directly from the fanatics of competitive gaming, so whereas you might get some people arguing the latter like myself you sort of know how they're going to respond to such a question, no? I would think most people would lobby such a thing if they thought it would beneficial for competitive gaming. Maybe segregate the Korean demographics like travelling around Korean Campuses (post secondary) and simply asking those who walk-by, or if you want to expand it. Go to popular destinations around the city and ask at will if you don't just want to hear what the fanatics think. I think it might be a good idea to get what the general public thinks.
However, this isn't something to do with only Korean e-Sports. This has to do with all of the fans of e-Sports around the world. Korea obviously is an important demographic in e-Sports, but the IeSF is looking for input from fans around the world.
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