On April 30 2014 02:40 seanisgrand wrote:
Why wouldn't they bring him back for a sequel?
Why wouldn't they bring him back for a sequel?
Because he is a old and demented.
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GettingIt
1656 Posts
April 29 2014 17:42 GMT
#1081
On April 30 2014 02:40 seanisgrand wrote: Show nested quote + On April 30 2014 02:33 GettingIt wrote: Why do they keep trying to bring back Harrison Ford. That dude is old and demented. Why wouldn't they bring him back for a sequel? Because he is a old and demented. | ||
Roe
Canada6002 Posts
April 29 2014 17:42 GMT
#1082
On April 30 2014 02:33 GettingIt wrote: Why do they keep trying to bring back Harrison Ford. That dude is old and demented. Part time! Part time. + Show Spoiler + Mr. Plinkett's Indiana Jones Review | ||
seanisgrand
United States1039 Posts
April 29 2014 17:44 GMT
#1083
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Craze
United States561 Posts
April 29 2014 17:49 GMT
#1084
On May 05 2013 02:02 sc2superfan101 wrote: Show nested quote + On April 24 2013 12:59 M.R. McThundercrotch wrote: Yeah, it is not like there are numerous examples of this all throughout human history or anything, from monks to masons to literally every other profession, except for exactly the thing that I just said. Yeah, and all that shit happened centuries ago. In the modern world we kind of look down on people who let children (infants) join their military cult (Kony anyone?). Star Wars is like... 10,000 years more advanced than us, at least. The fact that the leading moral "yard-stick" of a hyper-modern civilization is still stuck in a 13th century mentality concerning the rights of children should be a tip-off that maybe that plot-line is stupid. Show nested quote + Uh, the fact that he is hundreds of years old is the exact reason you would have be a huge influential player and the fact that he was so hunted is the reason that he lived a hermits life in a swamp on an uninhabited planet. A wise old being who is hundreds of years old, to me, has to be some kind of warped to still be some major player in And no one knows who Yoda is! There is literally no indication that either the Emperor or Darth Vader have even the slightest clue as to who Yoda is. According to prequel logic, they should know that he is alive and still opposing them. But whenever they see Luke they say: "Obi-wan has trained you well". That heavily implies that they don't know of Yoda's existence or they would assume that since Luke has powered up considerably over the years since Obi-Wan's death that he is receiving extra training from the only other Jedi still alive. I would think that one of the first questions they would ask him would be: "Where the f*ck is that asshole Yoda at?" There is some indication in the original three (V and VI, to be exact) that Yoda might have been vaguely involved with the Fall of the Republic, but only as a minor player who flew beneath the notice of either Anakin or the Emperor. It also doesn't make sense having Yoda be a huge player in the movies (I, II, III) on a thematic level. His character in the originals is eccentric, jaded, exceedingly wise, and utterly unconcerned with the mundane. Bringing him out of the swamp and slapping him down as the leader of the Jedi Council jars with that impression horribly. Suddenly Yoda can't be too eccentric or jaded or why would anyone put him as a leader? Him being jaded with Luke suddenly isn't the result of his seven hundred years, the "I've seen this all a hundred times before" syndrome, but as a result of Anakin's betrayal. You would think someone who is over seven hundred years old would have seen worse than that in his time, and plenty of it. He is suddenly forced to be concerned with the mundane, even if only in implication because he is the leader of the galaxy's most powerful military force/police force. Instead of having an eccentric old warrior who is mysterious, we're left with a goddamn career politician. It completely destroys the mystery and romance of his character. That's also why having him show up as a major player is a bad idea: Yoda and the Emperor share something in common in V and VI: they both show a kind of disdain for the light-saber, subtly revealing a part of their philosophy. Those who are high-level Force users tend to be less than concerned with mundane aspects of life. The reason we don't see shelves of paperwork on the Emperor's desk is because the Emperor isn't the type of man to be concerned with the something so crude as that. The reason we don't see Yoda doing some light-saber sparring with Luke is because Yoda isn't the type of person to consider the light-saber to be all that useful. When Luke goes into the cave to face his dark-side, Yoda straight up tells him that his light-saber and blaster won't help him. In Episode VI, Luke only achieves victory when he throws down his light-saber in front of the Emperor and refuses to fight. But if Yoda is in the prequels as a major player, we the audience demand to know: why didn't he stop the Emperor? So either they have to fight using Dragonball Z powers ("I can see your shwarzt is as big as mine!") or they have to have a lightsaber battle. Either of them gives off the same thematic impressions: these men (Yoda, Palpatine) are not the ethereal, intelligent, unconcerned men that we know and love and hate. It's like when they give every dark user of the Force "Force lightning" abilities. It destroys the intensity of the later climax. Throughout the entire trilogy (IV, V, VI) we see the Force as an invisible power. When suddenly the Emperor busts out with lightning, you get a real sense that it's because he's so powerful that when he uses the Force it causes the air itself to burn. It is a rude awakening to how out-classed Luke is. It is tense because we, the audience, can't see any way for Luke to escape something so powerful and terrifying. When every low level dark-force wielding bastard is throwing around lightning like it's nothing, and when the Light-side guys block it with their lightsaber it destroys the mystery, and thus the weight, of the later scene. It's the same reason you don't have the Emperor let out an old-man fart: we're supposed to think of people like the Emperor and Yoda as a kind of ascended beings. Seeing them fight on any visual level (something necessitated by putting Yoda in as a major players) ruins their mystery. It ruins the idea of the Force not being a quantifiable, material concept. It ruins the idea that the power to destroy planets is insignificant in comparison. It turns them into entirely mundane beings who still haven't moved beyond settling their dispute with a dick-showing contest. And the prequels are full of that crap. Everything mystical about the Force is quantified and explained until it becomes nothing more than telekinesis. Everything mystical about the Jedi is lost until they become nothing more than sword-wielding SWAT teams combined with the Navy Seals combined. All for the cheap effect of "That was in the originals so it has to be EVEN BIGGER in the prequels!" And, at the end of the day, that is why these sequels will fail: they will take what little mystery is left to the series and quantify it even more. They will almost certainly cast the original actors, so now we get to see Han Solo and Luke and Leia Skywalker as old farts. Great... This was great. | ||
Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
April 29 2014 18:21 GMT
#1085
This is a Disney movie, which means there will be more target audience analysts and marketing experts involved then people who actually make movies. So we will get a young energetic amazing cast on one half and 62 year old 200 pound Mark Hamill on the other? And besides the actors why exacly do we want these characters back? Han was a cool dude back in the 70s but with the eyes of today he is kinda cheese and idk unlikeable? A lot of men thank Leia for introducing a specific outfit to every halloween party but besides that she did what again in the actual story? I mean apart from getting captured and beeing the "rescue and conquere me" girl in 80s movies? And Luke is just stupid. I am sorry but every person would have ask more about that "Darth Vader killed your father" thing. Like "Well wait the galaxy is fucking huge why my dad?" or "i am in space future(kinda) and my dad was a jedi, and my mom died of fucking giving birth?" Also the iconic "i am your father" scene in empire strikes back. So i am backed up, lost my hand and my sword against someone who is way stronger than me and he ask me if i want to rule the universe. I mean everyone would do that. Even if he thinks he would turn evil he is still better than the emporer is he? And if not he could wait and stab vader in the back or be the ultimate undercover agent of all times... or idk do 50 other things that were smart. In return his plan is to turn vader back to the good like "hmmm if i join i would have all the time in the world... na fuck it lets try it by beeing captured and in a 5 minute fight with the evil dude alongside". Also the droids... i dont even start but again why bringing them back? Funny enough my favorite SW characters have problems speaking, Vader just because best vilan ever and Yoda because he looks like a tremendously powerful person that a small green alien that is constantly stoned. Also sc2superfan101´s comment is great and sums it up perfectly. | ||
Zaros
United Kingdom3673 Posts
April 29 2014 18:24 GMT
#1086
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renkin
France249 Posts
April 29 2014 18:48 GMT
#1087
December 2015 seems too close though, considering they didn't shot anything or started post-production. | ||
zezamer
Finland5701 Posts
April 29 2014 18:52 GMT
#1088
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pebble444
Italy2477 Posts
April 29 2014 19:15 GMT
#1089
The music is very different from each other and reflect well aspects of music cinema evolution. In the 70' s it was all done with a full orchestra, so they may have been as many as 100 musician without counting everyone else involved in sound production. Episode II and III reflect the modern aspect of having 10/15 musicians and the rest done by synthesisers and computers with the best available software. I like the music and story of episode I the most so far. It reflects the late hope of the '90 that everything will turn out okay, while still keeping the bad guys bad and the good guys good. Something that is lost today, the bay guy is always evil; on the other hand in films today they tend to show you how that person got evil, which is pretty interesting. Number II was really bad, except for OBI ONE' s trip to those Clone makers. I found that planet excellent. Episode II and III also reflect this modern aspect of cinema of having thousands of faces extras just to "fill in empty spaces", something i really hate. Movies before Bravehearth, some extras would always have some lines or at least considered . (see the truman show, beverly hills) . Episode III i really loved the turn to the dark side, it was done very well. In episode IV the real opening and first quest of the film is getting away from the crops early, something that reflected when for young people it was less obvious to go out in the world and do their thing. Anyways i love Star wars. Nobody can deny that it really happened. I don' t care if Disney bought it, what is important for me is that Jhon Williams (or better the people who work for him) will still do the soundtrack. Tonight i am going out, national holiday tomorrow. "May" the force be with me. | ||
Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
April 29 2014 19:28 GMT
#1090
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Manit0u
Poland17046 Posts
April 29 2014 20:03 GMT
#1091
On April 30 2014 04:15 pebble444 wrote: Episode III i really loved the turn to the dark side, it was done very well. How can you consider ep III Anakin turning to DS scenes good? The entire premise is absurd: 1. You dream of your gf getting hurt, so you obviously go to the guru (Yoda) and ask for his opinion, he says that it may or may not happen, might've already happened etc. and that you shouldn't dwell on it (not to mention that you shouldn't be in a relationship in the first place). 2. Some other dude tells you that some mysterious evil guy way back when supposedly learned how to heal every injury/disease/death etc. and that if you become evil you might do the same. 3. You proceed to slaughter children by the dozen just to 'grow strong in the dark side'. Please... I'll keep my faith in Abrams for now though. He did great job with Star Trek. | ||
arb
Noobville17915 Posts
April 29 2014 20:07 GMT
#1092
On April 30 2014 04:28 Micro_Jackson wrote: I didnt like how they made the transition of Vader to the dark side. The scene in which he tells Windu, they battle and Anikin becomes a sith are the worst 20 minutes of all movies in my opinion. I never really understood how The Emperor completely destroys Yoda then loses to Windu like, isnt Yoda supposed to be stronger? Then again I guess it coulda been a ruse to get Anakin to help him thinking he's alot weaker and frail than he actually in reality is i guess. On April 30 2014 05:03 Manit0u wrote: Show nested quote + On April 30 2014 04:15 pebble444 wrote: Episode III i really loved the turn to the dark side, it was done very well. How can you consider ep III Anakin turning to DS scenes good? The entire premise is absurd: 1. You dream of your gf getting hurt, so you obviously go to the guru (Yoda) and ask for his opinion, he says that it may or may not happen, might've already happened etc. and that you shouldn't dwell on it (not to mention that you shouldn't be in a relationship in the first place). 2. Some other dude tells you that some mysterious evil guy way back when supposedly learned how to heal every injury/disease/death etc. and that if you become evil you might do the same. 3. You proceed to slaughter children by the dozen just to 'grow strong in the dark side'. Please... I'll keep my faith in Abrams for now though. He did great job with Star Trek. It wasnt way back when it was The Emperor who killed his master(the one who allegedly learned to do this) but even if he didnt then lie he told was enough to get Anakin to commit fully to the dark side in order to save whats her name. | ||
Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
April 29 2014 20:22 GMT
#1093
On April 30 2014 05:07 arb wrote: Show nested quote + On April 30 2014 04:28 Micro_Jackson wrote: I didnt like how they made the transition of Vader to the dark side. The scene in which he tells Windu, they battle and Anikin becomes a sith are the worst 20 minutes of all movies in my opinion. I never really understood how The Emperor completely destroys Yoda then loses to Windu like, isnt Yoda supposed to be stronger? Then again I guess it coulda been a ruse to get Anakin to help him thinking he's alot weaker and frail than he actually in reality is i guess. Show nested quote + On April 30 2014 05:03 Manit0u wrote: On April 30 2014 04:15 pebble444 wrote: Episode III i really loved the turn to the dark side, it was done very well. How can you consider ep III Anakin turning to DS scenes good? The entire premise is absurd: 1. You dream of your gf getting hurt, so you obviously go to the guru (Yoda) and ask for his opinion, he says that it may or may not happen, might've already happened etc. and that you shouldn't dwell on it (not to mention that you shouldn't be in a relationship in the first place). 2. Some other dude tells you that some mysterious evil guy way back when supposedly learned how to heal every injury/disease/death etc. and that if you become evil you might do the same. 3. You proceed to slaughter children by the dozen just to 'grow strong in the dark side'. Please... I'll keep my faith in Abrams for now though. He did great job with Star Trek. It wasnt way back when it was The Emperor who killed his master(the one who allegedly learned to do this) but even if he didnt then lie he told was enough to get Anakin to commit fully to the dark side in order to save whats her name. Thats what you dont understand? What i didn´t get was more Windus attack. From someone with his skill i would more expect something like "Master, Palpatine is the Sith. Man thanks Anikin i always hated that mutherfucker. hold on you 2 look for the exits i call the other Dudes that can be here in a hour and we raid this fucker with 50 people. Plus we say everyone he is the bad guy because they will understand that war sucks and he is responsible for it". | ||
arb
Noobville17915 Posts
April 29 2014 20:30 GMT
#1094
On April 30 2014 05:22 Micro_Jackson wrote: Show nested quote + On April 30 2014 05:07 arb wrote: On April 30 2014 04:28 Micro_Jackson wrote: I didnt like how they made the transition of Vader to the dark side. The scene in which he tells Windu, they battle and Anikin becomes a sith are the worst 20 minutes of all movies in my opinion. I never really understood how The Emperor completely destroys Yoda then loses to Windu like, isnt Yoda supposed to be stronger? Then again I guess it coulda been a ruse to get Anakin to help him thinking he's alot weaker and frail than he actually in reality is i guess. On April 30 2014 05:03 Manit0u wrote: On April 30 2014 04:15 pebble444 wrote: Episode III i really loved the turn to the dark side, it was done very well. How can you consider ep III Anakin turning to DS scenes good? The entire premise is absurd: 1. You dream of your gf getting hurt, so you obviously go to the guru (Yoda) and ask for his opinion, he says that it may or may not happen, might've already happened etc. and that you shouldn't dwell on it (not to mention that you shouldn't be in a relationship in the first place). 2. Some other dude tells you that some mysterious evil guy way back when supposedly learned how to heal every injury/disease/death etc. and that if you become evil you might do the same. 3. You proceed to slaughter children by the dozen just to 'grow strong in the dark side'. Please... I'll keep my faith in Abrams for now though. He did great job with Star Trek. It wasnt way back when it was The Emperor who killed his master(the one who allegedly learned to do this) but even if he didnt then lie he told was enough to get Anakin to commit fully to the dark side in order to save whats her name. Thats what you dont understand? What i didn´t get was more Windus attack. From someone with his skill i would more expect something like "Master, Palpatine is the Sith. Man thanks Anikin i always hated that mutherfucker. hold on you 2 look for the exits i call the other Dudes that can be here in a hour and we raid this fucker with 50 people. Plus we say everyone he is the bad guy because they will understand that war sucks and he is responsible for it". I think maybe he didnt expect the emperor to be that powerful or the emperor let him win idfk, that whole thing was like, wat | ||
ViperPL
Poland1775 Posts
April 29 2014 20:58 GMT
#1095
On April 30 2014 03:52 zezamer wrote: I bet this will as good as the new trilogy and matrix sequels. That's what I dread as well. Although for now I remain cautiously optimistic, I mean, they can't make WORSE movies than the new trilogy. Not having Jar Jar is a good sign already. | ||
TheRealArtemis
687 Posts
April 29 2014 21:25 GMT
#1096
On April 30 2014 05:30 arb wrote: Show nested quote + On April 30 2014 05:22 Micro_Jackson wrote: On April 30 2014 05:07 arb wrote: On April 30 2014 04:28 Micro_Jackson wrote: I didnt like how they made the transition of Vader to the dark side. The scene in which he tells Windu, they battle and Anikin becomes a sith are the worst 20 minutes of all movies in my opinion. I never really understood how The Emperor completely destroys Yoda then loses to Windu like, isnt Yoda supposed to be stronger? Then again I guess it coulda been a ruse to get Anakin to help him thinking he's alot weaker and frail than he actually in reality is i guess. On April 30 2014 05:03 Manit0u wrote: On April 30 2014 04:15 pebble444 wrote: Episode III i really loved the turn to the dark side, it was done very well. How can you consider ep III Anakin turning to DS scenes good? The entire premise is absurd: 1. You dream of your gf getting hurt, so you obviously go to the guru (Yoda) and ask for his opinion, he says that it may or may not happen, might've already happened etc. and that you shouldn't dwell on it (not to mention that you shouldn't be in a relationship in the first place). 2. Some other dude tells you that some mysterious evil guy way back when supposedly learned how to heal every injury/disease/death etc. and that if you become evil you might do the same. 3. You proceed to slaughter children by the dozen just to 'grow strong in the dark side'. Please... I'll keep my faith in Abrams for now though. He did great job with Star Trek. It wasnt way back when it was The Emperor who killed his master(the one who allegedly learned to do this) but even if he didnt then lie he told was enough to get Anakin to commit fully to the dark side in order to save whats her name. Thats what you dont understand? What i didn´t get was more Windus attack. From someone with his skill i would more expect something like "Master, Palpatine is the Sith. Man thanks Anikin i always hated that mutherfucker. hold on you 2 look for the exits i call the other Dudes that can be here in a hour and we raid this fucker with 50 people. Plus we say everyone he is the bad guy because they will understand that war sucks and he is responsible for it". I think maybe he didnt expect the emperor to be that powerful or the emperor let him win idfk, that whole thing was like, wat It's called bad writing. The prequal movies suffered alot from that. Not saying the old ones were perfect, but its like he didnt give a crap when he wrote the new ones. | ||
Naphal
Germany2099 Posts
April 29 2014 21:55 GMT
#1097
On April 30 2014 03:24 Zaros wrote: Sucks they destroy the Expanded Universe just for 3 most likely sub par films :/ be like me and pick your poison ^^ even if i am to accept the fact that Boba Fett is a clone, nothing keeps me from thinking that a cool dude in the outer rim kills the brat and takes the armor, but mostly i just deny it and stick to the stories of the books. edit: and nothing ever can destroy grandadmiral thrawn, the xwing saga etc. just too great stuff. | ||
Swede
New Zealand853 Posts
April 29 2014 22:05 GMT
#1098
On May 05 2013 01:11 sc2superfan101 wrote: Show nested quote + On April 24 2013 09:30 OKMarius wrote: On April 19 2013 06:47 sc2superfan101 wrote:Natalie Portman is just a horrible actress in general and was even worse in those movies. What? Have you seen Black Swan? V For Vendetta? Closer? I'm not a fan, but calling her a horrible actress is just dumb. I haven't seen Black Swan, I thought V for Vendetta was stupid and her acting was entirely forgettable. Haven't seen Closer. I saw Garden State and again found her performance to be wanting. Basically, she is entirely forgettable to me when she isn't horrid. You really should watch Black Swan before you judge her. It's one of those movies where an actor/actress who has usually been just okay suddenly steps up and dominates. I'm not defending her in Star Wars though... It was bad. Although I think any actor would have had a rough time with that script. | ||
Meerel
Germany713 Posts
April 29 2014 22:10 GMT
#1099
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HackBenjamin
Canada1094 Posts
April 29 2014 22:12 GMT
#1100
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