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United Kingdom50293 Posts
On May 29 2014 08:55 Undead1993 wrote: this hype train is probably going to derail very quickly Terran 2-1s Korean zerg, goes 1 up in winners match and loses the next two. Token protoss in group goes 1-4 and terran loses the rematch 0-2. This sounds vaguely familiar
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Seems jd ZvT isn't doing so well recently
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On May 29 2014 08:58 Waise wrote: oops, i thought would be strikethrough, not spoilers. how do you do strikethrough here?
It is. It should be.
Edit for [s]test ..huh
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On May 29 2014 08:57 Waise wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 08:53 jakethesnake wrote:On May 29 2014 08:51 Waise wrote: i feel like the "roaches suck" outcry in this thread is really overblown. 1/1 roach or +1 armor roach are perfectly viable timing attacks against terran, as is roach/hydra/viper macro style. yes if the timing attacks are scouted and defended well the attack can look silly... isn't that all timing attacks?
i didn't see the jaedong game from earlier, but i assume he just executed it poorly I think the real problem with the roach attacks so far today is that they haven't had a good transition other than 'try again with more roaches'. If that is the way you are going to play, your first push has to do big damage and is just a huge gamble and I don't like it. what? roach/hydra is good and hyun does it against terran and wins. i'm fairly certain i saw life do it against innovation at dreamhack too (he lost, but no style wins EVERY time...) the issue is that ling/bling/muta is just still really good too and usually easier to win with. but that doesn't make roach or roach/hydra weak
I didn't say they can't be good or can't work or be powerful, but if you are playing with no transition at all and are banking on your push doing huge damage, I don't like it - I think it is just boring unless you are going to try and add a few other units into your comp like vipers or hydras. That's all I'm saying. It's not about what is good and what isn't. I just don't like it.
Edit: saw your edit, we basically agree on bad builds being bad. haha
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your Country52796 Posts
On May 29 2014 08:56 The_Templar wrote: Heart spawns in the top right HyuN spawns in the top left 2:00 Hatchery first for HyuN. Spawning pool and gas after the hatchery first. Heart opening reaper.
3:00 Heart expands. Reactor on the barracks. Heart getting a factory. HyuN researching zergling speed.
4:00 Heart pokes at the eggs with his reaper. Heart building a third CC. Hellions on the way.
5:00 HyuN running a lot of drones off. Stim pack being researched. HyuN taking a third. Heart goes for a poke on HyuN's third base.
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On May 29 2014 08:58 Waise wrote: oops, i thought would be strikethrough, not spoilers. how do you do strikethrough here? it is just surround what you want to [s]strikethrough edit: ???????
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United States23454 Posts
On May 29 2014 08:58 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 08:57 AWalker9 wrote:On May 29 2014 08:57 The_Templar wrote:On May 29 2014 08:56 Undead1993 wrote:On May 29 2014 08:56 AWalker9 wrote:On May 29 2014 08:55 Undead1993 wrote: this hype train is probably going to derail very quickly It's obviously because Darkhorse said he was going to support Heart i agree, the curse is real Let's test a variation of it, where it reverses when I agree with him. I'm now rooting for Heart. Is your Heart in it though? Mostly. D:
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On May 29 2014 08:57 Waise wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 08:53 jakethesnake wrote:On May 29 2014 08:51 Waise wrote: i feel like the "roaches suck" outcry in this thread is really overblown. 1/1 roach or +1 armor roach are perfectly viable timing attacks against terran, as is roach/hydra/viper macro style. yes if the timing attacks are scouted and defended well the attack can look silly... isn't that all timing attacks?
i didn't see the jaedong game from earlier, but i assume he just executed it poorly I think the real problem with the roach attacks so far today is that they haven't had a good transition other than 'try again with more roaches'. If that is the way you are going to play, your first push has to do big damage and is just a huge gamble and I don't like it. + Show Spoiler +what? roach/hydra is good and hyun does it against terran and wins. i'm fairly certain i saw life do it against innovation at dreamhack too (he lost, but no style wins EVERY time...)
the issue is that ling/bling/muta is just still really good too and usually easier to win with. but that doesn't make roach or roach/hydra weak ooh, i missed the part where you were talking about just today. well yeah, a badly executed build is bad. but roach timings aren't bad. sometimes shit doesn't work :p Yeah, but if that comp is to work once both players start maxing out, you really need vipers and infestors as well as a high hydra count. The role of the roach in that comp is to tank damage for the valuable units. Going pure roach after the timing is never going to work, the power of the build resides in the tech units and the casters.
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On May 29 2014 09:00 KingofdaHipHop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 08:58 Waise wrote: oops, i thought would be strikethrough, not spoilers. how do you do strikethrough here? it is [s] just surround what you want to [s]strikethrough oh ok it's just that the [s] icon actually makes [spoiler] tags. how weird
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Welcome back 2012 WoL. I missed you too.
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HyuN going to work around Heart's greedy style with more Roaches but this time with Banelings.
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Canada8157 Posts
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Well, things are looking good for Hyun.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Heart is a veteran at this.
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I like the transition here by Hyun after a good hold by Heart.
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On May 29 2014 09:00 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 08:57 Waise wrote:On May 29 2014 08:53 jakethesnake wrote:On May 29 2014 08:51 Waise wrote: i feel like the "roaches suck" outcry in this thread is really overblown. 1/1 roach or +1 armor roach are perfectly viable timing attacks against terran, as is roach/hydra/viper macro style. yes if the timing attacks are scouted and defended well the attack can look silly... isn't that all timing attacks?
i didn't see the jaedong game from earlier, but i assume he just executed it poorly I think the real problem with the roach attacks so far today is that they haven't had a good transition other than 'try again with more roaches'. If that is the way you are going to play, your first push has to do big damage and is just a huge gamble and I don't like it. + Show Spoiler +what? roach/hydra is good and hyun does it against terran and wins. i'm fairly certain i saw life do it against innovation at dreamhack too (he lost, but no style wins EVERY time...)
the issue is that ling/bling/muta is just still really good too and usually easier to win with. but that doesn't make roach or roach/hydra weak ooh, i missed the part where you were talking about just today. well yeah, a badly executed build is bad. but roach timings aren't bad. sometimes shit doesn't work :p Yeah, but if that comp is to work once both players start maxing out, you really need vipers and infestors as well as a high hydra count. The role of the roach in that comp is to tank damage for the valuable units. Going pure roach after the timing is never going to work, the power of the build resides in the tech units and the casters. yeah i didn't read it clearly at first. but still, eh. it's just a miscalculation. sometimes you think you have a kill move if you reinforce ASAP, so you yolo it. if you're wrong you end up looking real bad
i agree on the general point that "macro mass roach = bad" though
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This is looking like HyuN's old school HotS ZvT style with Roach/Bane.
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On May 29 2014 09:00 Waise wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 09:00 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On May 29 2014 08:58 Waise wrote: oops, i thought would be strikethrough, not spoilers. how do you do strikethrough here? it is [s] just surround what you want to [s]strikethrough oh ok it's just that the [s] icon actually makes [spoiler] tags. how weird
Something is up. Probably R1CH performing some of his..stuff..that he do
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Canada8157 Posts
aaand the OC is going to be nerfed
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