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On November 23 2007 19:52 Sunyveil wrote: remember, savior's victory in the Ro8 means that Jaedong doesn't have to play any Toss player in the OSL (in other words, uncontested victory)
wtf?!
Savior just won the first game?!?! AND WHY DO YOU FORGET STORK
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On November 23 2007 19:55 SpiritoftheTuna wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2007 19:52 IaniAniaN wrote:On November 23 2007 19:47 SpiritoftheTuna wrote:On November 23 2007 19:45 IaniAniaN wrote: Savior has to rely on a timing attack as I thought he would, but he won't pull it off on the maps with more than 2 players, he can't take the same risk and will be forced to play more standard. I dunno, i think it's ironic how you're pinning savior down as a one-trick pony vs bisu when all bisu ever does against protoss is his epononymous build EDIT: flameguard: in serious games, that is I'm just sayin' that this build wouldn't be much on Zodiac for example, because of the large potential failure rate. Savior played in no way with thoughts going ahead into the mid-late game, that proxy would be a huge lyability and get him raped later on like against Stork on this same map. Besides, I'll be convinced when I see this happen on Fantasy or Katrina, for now I still doubt Savior's ability to take Bisu straight up standard. i dunno, he's already shown his ability to innovate new standard builds (4gas muta) which happens to be even more suited for the 4player maps. i dont think you can be too certain in predicting that bisu>savior straightup already..
But free didn't even get a second stargate. T.T
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On November 23 2007 19:53 Aillusion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2007 19:49 TheTyranid wrote:WHAT NOW BISUCKS?? MA JAE YOON FIGHTIIIIINGI'm sorry for yelling, but my soul has just been healed. owned. couldnt agree more, i can die without regret now knowin savior raped bisu k
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Hungary11232 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:55 amorpheus wrote:it's still one game and savior wont steal more than that Hard to tell - he has one week to prepare a similar counter on one of the other maps, that is all he has to achieve now, while Bisu is stuck with analysing how to deal with the timing hydras.
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It is still a best of 3 and nothings over yet... ^^
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On November 23 2007 19:53 Aesop wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2007 19:50 Hot_Bid wrote: Aesop, there's rarely a counter in "all situations" I know, that is why I was unhappy with "definitive counter" in the post I quoted. k, here's some implied prepositional phrases that i just happened to forget to add, you can pick and choose
for that game
on that map
in that situation
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On November 23 2007 19:51 teamsolid wrote: Didn't Savior attempt this exact build against Stork? If I remember correctly, that was the map that Stork won out of their BO3 series. Same builds different use for it In his game vs stork he kept on making drones offensive sunkening In this game he used the proxy hatch to send slow overlords faster
This was pretty much the same thing ggplay did to stork except stork didnt go dt. And bisu's reaction was pretty slow. He started reacting after savior killed his first cannon
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On November 23 2007 19:55 Shauni wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2007 19:52 Sunyveil wrote: remember, savior's victory in the Ro8 means that Jaedong doesn't have to play any Toss player in the OSL (in other words, uncontested victory) wtf?! Savior just won the first game?!?! AND WHY DO YOU FORGET STORK
Stork has very little chance against Savior. He's also the underdog against Bisu, but that's still better. It's gonna be hard for him to get to the final either way.
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Hard to tell - he has one week to prepare a similar counter on one of the other maps, that is all he has to achieve now, while Bisu is stuck with analysing how to deal with the timing hydras.
I'm not saying its the easiest thing on Earth just making predictions
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Hungary11232 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:58 SpiritoftheTuna wrote: k, here's some implied prepositional phrases that i just happened to forget to add, you can pick and choose Nevermind, I understood your implications after your first clarification, but then it looked like I was suggesting there was a definitive counter. So lets not discuss further.
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the op post is too awesome LOL
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Braavos36362 Posts
Stork red 1:00 Nostalgia Flash white 7:00 RoV
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On November 23 2007 19:56 IaniAniaN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2007 19:55 SpiritoftheTuna wrote:On November 23 2007 19:52 IaniAniaN wrote:On November 23 2007 19:47 SpiritoftheTuna wrote:On November 23 2007 19:45 IaniAniaN wrote: Savior has to rely on a timing attack as I thought he would, but he won't pull it off on the maps with more than 2 players, he can't take the same risk and will be forced to play more standard. I dunno, i think it's ironic how you're pinning savior down as a one-trick pony vs bisu when all bisu ever does against protoss is his epononymous build EDIT: flameguard: in serious games, that is I'm just sayin' that this build wouldn't be much on Zodiac for example, because of the large potential failure rate. Savior played in no way with thoughts going ahead into the mid-late game, that proxy would be a huge lyability and get him raped later on like against Stork on this same map. Besides, I'll be convinced when I see this happen on Fantasy or Katrina, for now I still doubt Savior's ability to take Bisu straight up standard. i dunno, he's already shown his ability to innovate new standard builds (4gas muta) which happens to be even more suited for the 4player maps. i dont think you can be too certain in predicting that bisu>savior straightup already.. But free didn't even get a second stargate. T.T
he did have ht + archons + cannons, which he obviously thought were enough to handle it...
though you're right, if bisu can get his critical mass sairs rolling, 4gas muta might not be as pretty
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On November 23 2007 19:59 ~chut~ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2007 19:55 Shauni wrote:On November 23 2007 19:52 Sunyveil wrote: remember, savior's victory in the Ro8 means that Jaedong doesn't have to play any Toss player in the OSL (in other words, uncontested victory) wtf?! Savior just won the first game?!?! AND WHY DO YOU FORGET STORK Stork has very little chance against Savior. He's also the underdog against Bisu, but that's still better. It's gonna be hard for him to get to the final either way. He meant stork and bisu to knock out jaedong.
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The build was obviously designed for Blue Storm. It's also not the first time he tried proxy hatch. He did that against some other P and failed, IIRC. Wasn't it against Stork? Bisu didn't scout it in time and had to face the consequences. It was a good build against Bisu's standard build. But it probably wouldn't work a second time.
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On November 23 2007 19:50 zulu_nation8 wrote: genius build, finally something creative and new in starcraft
Was that ironic? In the case it wasn't, rofl @ you.
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Braavos36362 Posts
Stork, continuing with his risky early builds, goes 14nex
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Braavos36362 Posts
The 14 nex will work too, Flash is scouting the wrong way
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On November 23 2007 20:00 abcb wrote: the op post is too awesome LOL
ROFL
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Yes. Credit to Savior, but Bisu played retarded. He should't have made that stupid dt-sair build on that map. I thought he knew what was coming but obviously not... An early speedzeal build would have raped Savior there. At least he could have put a cannonline up when he was denied scouting.
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