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Austria24413 Posts
On August 13 2014 20:22 boxerfred wrote:Are the VODs of Maru vs. Soulkey and Symbol vs. Roro behind a paywall or yet available for free?
I believe all of the 2010-2013 VODs are on the GSL youtube channel, it's just a huge pain to find the games you want to see
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On August 13 2014 20:21 partydude89 wrote:Not sure about you guys, but i still get nightmares about Wol Broodlord infestor days. I dunno, watching live DRG vs NesTea was something for sure.
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FREE UNITS EVERYWHEREEEEEEEEEEE
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i seen nothing in that game that indicates Stats is really that good. all he done was survive to get 6+ gasses and build voidray, colossi and phoenix. 3 units that are A move and shit on Zergs units hard.
I still dont know why Zergs arnt going infester in an attempt to at least force the Protoss to micro and split their Deathballs up.
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On August 13 2014 20:22 boxerfred wrote:Are the VODs of Maru vs. Soulkey and Symbol vs. Roro behind a paywall or yet available for free? All GOM VODs except the current season are on the YouTube channel... Except a lot of 2012 Code A and 2011 games.
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Austria24413 Posts
Speaking of GSL VODs, I watched Seed's entire GSL run a few days ago. I understand why Byun is gone now
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On August 13 2014 20:15 pure.Wasted wrote: I have such a poor understanding of current PvZ, I can't tell if Soulkey is actually slumping or if this meta just doesn't suit him. Honestly, SK, like most Korean zergs, just isn't very good at host play vs toss. he's overly ambitious and tries to take the initiative too much, throwing away large clumps of units for little gain. I maintain that EU zergs in particular have a mch more refined meta for this kind of play. Compare the way Snute plays out his SH games, the patience, the methodical approach.
Kespa protosses are obviously better than the people Snute and the EU zergs play against, but there is no way to argue this play is good or effective,
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On August 13 2014 20:22 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2014 20:22 boxerfred wrote:On August 13 2014 20:20 DarkLordOlli wrote: Oh god, Symbol vs Roro Are the VODs of Maru vs. Soulkey and Symbol vs. Roro behind a paywall or yet available for free? I believe all of the 2010-2013 VODs are on the GSL youtube channel, it's just a huge pain to find the games you want to see Any best practice/advice?
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On August 13 2014 20:23 Topdoller wrote: i seen nothing in that game that indicates Stats is really that good. all he done was survive to get 6+ gasses and build voidray, colossi and phoenix. 3 units that are A move and shit on Zergs units hard.
I still dont know why Zergs arnt going infester in an attempt to at least force the Protoss to micro and split their Deathballs up.
Uhmm... stats did split is army up, and then even split the attack part of it up again, lifting 4 units into a warp prism and then warping in in the main where he dropped the units off, snipingthe main and the 5th base with his smaller attack low tier army, and defending with his high tech army at home.
Also Stats is pretty good, and as you should have seen in the engagement at his third he doesn't only A move, he kept that colossus alive with good micro/target firing.
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On August 13 2014 20:25 DarkLordOlli wrote: Speaking of GSL VODs, I watched Seed's entire GSL run a few days ago. I understand why Byun is gone now
Do you care to elaborate pls ?
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On August 13 2014 20:23 Topdoller wrote: i seen nothing in that game that indicates Stats is really that good. all he done was survive to get 6+ gasses and build voidray, colossi and phoenix. 3 units that are A move and shit on Zergs units hard.
I still dont know why Zergs arnt going infester in an attempt to at least force the Protoss to micro and split their Deathballs up.
Wait, Phoenix are A-move now? News to me.
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On August 13 2014 20:18 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2014 20:15 pure.Wasted wrote: I have such a poor understanding of current PvZ, I can't tell if Soulkey is actually slumping or if this meta just doesn't suit him. You need to be extremely sharp and decisive in modern PvZ if you're not a heavy SH player, and Soulkey has always been a calm macro player. He'll find confidence in this MU again, I have no worries for him.
On August 13 2014 20:25 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2014 20:15 pure.Wasted wrote: I have such a poor understanding of current PvZ, I can't tell if Soulkey is actually slumping or if this meta just doesn't suit him. Honestly, SK, like most Korean zergs, just isn't very good at host play vs toss. he's overly ambitious and tries to take the initiative too much, throwing away large clumps of units for little gain. I maintain that EU zergs in particular have a mch more refined meta for this kind of play. Compare the way Snute plays out his SH games, the patience, the methodical approach. Kespa protosses are obviously better than the people Snute and the EU zergs play against, but there is no way to argue this play is good or effective,
Thanks guys.
I've always appreciated Soulkey's attempts to be aggressive with SH, figures that that would actually be working against him. God damn it. Serves you right for trying to not die of boredom, Soulkey.
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United States97250 Posts
On August 13 2014 20:27 LoneYoShi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2014 20:25 DarkLordOlli wrote: Speaking of GSL VODs, I watched Seed's entire GSL run a few days ago. I understand why Byun is gone now Do you care to elaborate pls ? ByuN had one of the biggest chokes of all time in his last game against Seed.
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On August 13 2014 20:25 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2014 20:15 pure.Wasted wrote: I have such a poor understanding of current PvZ, I can't tell if Soulkey is actually slumping or if this meta just doesn't suit him. Honestly, SK, like most Korean zergs, just isn't very good at host play vs toss. he's overly ambitious and tries to take the initiative too much, throwing away large clumps of units for little gain. I maintain that EU zergs in particular have a mch more refined meta for this kind of play. Compare the way Snute plays out his SH games, the patience, the methodical approach. Kespa protosses are obviously better than the people Snute and the EU zergs play against, but there is no way to argue this play is good or effective,
I would argue that the EU Zerg style of SH play mostly works just because their opponents are worse than the KeSPA Koreans.
Nothing against the EU Protosses, but they aren't at the same level, SH play has been tried out in Korea aswell, but after the Tempest buff vs structures it hasn't been seen as much anymore (the slow defensive SH I mean) my guess would be that it doesn't work against their practice partners anymore, why else would they stop?
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On August 13 2014 20:26 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2014 20:22 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 13 2014 20:22 boxerfred wrote:On August 13 2014 20:20 DarkLordOlli wrote: Oh god, Symbol vs Roro Are the VODs of Maru vs. Soulkey and Symbol vs. Roro behind a paywall or yet available for free? I believe all of the 2010-2013 VODs are on the GSL youtube channel, it's just a huge pain to find the games you want to see Any best practice/advice? Look at how their video titles are formatted, search for the season, round, and year of the game you're looking for... Or just search for the match you want to see (ex: Maru vs Soulkey), but the player names aren't in the video titles... So good luck finding the games you're looking for. :D
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On August 13 2014 20:29 Arvendilin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2014 20:25 Squat wrote:On August 13 2014 20:15 pure.Wasted wrote: I have such a poor understanding of current PvZ, I can't tell if Soulkey is actually slumping or if this meta just doesn't suit him. Honestly, SK, like most Korean zergs, just isn't very good at host play vs toss. he's overly ambitious and tries to take the initiative too much, throwing away large clumps of units for little gain. I maintain that EU zergs in particular have a mch more refined meta for this kind of play. Compare the way Snute plays out his SH games, the patience, the methodical approach. Kespa protosses are obviously better than the people Snute and the EU zergs play against, but there is no way to argue this play is good or effective, I would argue that the EU Zerg style of SH play mostly works just because their opponents are worse than the KeSPA Koreans. Nothing against the EU Protosses, but they aren't at the same level, SH play has been tried out in Korea aswell, but after the Tempest buff vs structures it hasn't been seen as much anymore (the slow defensive SH I mean) my guess would be that it doesn't work against their practice partners anymore, why else would they stop?
The Tempest buff against structures never went through.
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On August 13 2014 20:29 Arvendilin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2014 20:25 Squat wrote:On August 13 2014 20:15 pure.Wasted wrote: I have such a poor understanding of current PvZ, I can't tell if Soulkey is actually slumping or if this meta just doesn't suit him. Honestly, SK, like most Korean zergs, just isn't very good at host play vs toss. he's overly ambitious and tries to take the initiative too much, throwing away large clumps of units for little gain. I maintain that EU zergs in particular have a mch more refined meta for this kind of play. Compare the way Snute plays out his SH games, the patience, the methodical approach. Kespa protosses are obviously better than the people Snute and the EU zergs play against, but there is no way to argue this play is good or effective, but after the Tempest buff vs structures
which never took place.
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On August 13 2014 20:27 LoneYoShi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2014 20:25 DarkLordOlli wrote: Speaking of GSL VODs, I watched Seed's entire GSL run a few days ago. I understand why Byun is gone now Do you care to elaborate pls ? He got reverse swept in the semifinals.
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On August 13 2014 20:29 Arvendilin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2014 20:25 Squat wrote:On August 13 2014 20:15 pure.Wasted wrote: I have such a poor understanding of current PvZ, I can't tell if Soulkey is actually slumping or if this meta just doesn't suit him. Honestly, SK, like most Korean zergs, just isn't very good at host play vs toss. he's overly ambitious and tries to take the initiative too much, throwing away large clumps of units for little gain. I maintain that EU zergs in particular have a mch more refined meta for this kind of play. Compare the way Snute plays out his SH games, the patience, the methodical approach. Kespa protosses are obviously better than the people Snute and the EU zergs play against, but there is no way to argue this play is good or effective, I would argue that the EU Zerg style of SH play mostly works just because their opponents are worse than the KeSPA Koreans. Nothing against the EU Protosses, but they aren't at the same level, SH play has been tried out in Korea aswell, b ut after the Tempest buff vs structures it hasn't been seen as much anymore (the slow defensive SH I mean) my guess would be that it doesn't work against their practice partners anymore, why else would they stop? It wasn't implemented.
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