Adding teams in collaboration with each other, something like Axiom-Acer and EG-TL, would be pretty cool. I dont think that without collaboration foreign teams have chances to play good, maybe with exception of TL.
On August 19 2014 21:54 Rustug wrote: EG-TL wasn't an epic fail.
They were a new team in ProLeague. Proleague is really hard. Them quitting after one season was a bit of a disappointment.
Considering what was expected from team with people destroying in 2012 and team, which got even more stable Koreans, it was huge flop.
On August 19 2014 21:53 NyanOverlord wrote: Adding teams in collaboration with each other, something like Axiom-Acer and EG-TL, would be pretty cool. I dont think that without collaboration foreign teams have chances to play good, maybe with exception of TL.
TaeJa can't win everything alone, and outside of Snute, i don't think that anyone will join him in Korea. And HerO is signed to play with MVP next season already.
On August 19 2014 21:21 Tngabor wrote: To be honest i would like to see TL + Acer the most. The idea is to have a stable line-up. We all know what happens when there's no stable line-up... *cough-cough* EG-TL. So basically MMA, INno, HerO and TaeJa (or Snute maybe), and then they could have "snipers" like Bunny or Scarlett. I would love to see Bunny going to Korea.
Make it happen guys : )))
Bad idea. Ruins a good rivalry (see EG-TL). Don't just throw teams together, consider the long term images of the teams
TL;DR - Axiom/Acer or a "World Allstars" team please.
I would dearly love to see Axiom-Acer in action in SPL. They seem to have the correct "team" mentality. EG-TL was a collection of good individuals, but reading what Coach Park said about them as a unit, they just were not prepared for the practice regime.
As far as I can see though, Blizzard/WCS/Kespa would need to arrange some very accommodating timing of events.
Thinking about it, I can see how you might construct an "World Allstars" team on a round by round basis. While the allstars team might be very large, you would only need a small group of them housed in Korea for a single round. After each round the allstars team would swap out those returning home (contractually planned at the beginning of the entire season of course).
If there was enough co-ordination between Blizzard/Kespa it might be possible to allow the Allstars to compete alternately in a code A/S or WCS Europe/America depending on where that member of the team resides that round. Assuming that the rules could be formed in a way that did not lead to abuse of course.
On August 19 2014 21:54 Rustug wrote: EG-TL wasn't an epic fail.
They were a new team in ProLeague. Proleague is really hard. Them quitting after one season was a bit of a disappointment.
Of course you're right, PL is really hard. But many people thinked they will performed so better. Also i thinks that was a fail not only because the poor result. But also because foreign players are leave the team quickly, and some korean player who was in this team don't really wanted play PL. They just wanted play foreign tounament, so this team had a poor motivational (read the Coach Park interwiew about EGTL on this site).
The idea of All-star foreign players and All-star foreign team's koreans alliance was fail hard. Because of lack of motivation by these player, and lack of skill too.
On August 19 2014 21:53 NyanOverlord wrote: Adding teams in collaboration with each other, something like Axiom-Acer and EG-TL, would be pretty cool. I dont think that without collaboration foreign teams have chances to play good, maybe with exception of TL.
Taeja won't do proleague anyway since he did not like it last time and he's only one dude, Axiom is probably the best shot maybe with a merc. They are a pretty strong team and actually have a rather rounded rooster unlike most other foreign teams that have one or two stars. Acer have 3 players and is probably the most stacked team along with TL who have two of the best foreigners who probably are on par with the lesser kespa koreans on good days and after a while in a teamhouse.
All foreign teams are focused on foreign tournaments and stuff though and that doesn't blend well with proleague.
There are a lot of foreign teams with really good players. Most of them are not on the level of Kespa pros but given a chance to play in the same environment they might improve.
I'd like to see Team Liquid and Axiom in Proleague, personally.
Now I would be happy to see Axiom-Acer back, which seems to the only possibility to me. I don't see other teams renting a house in korea and focus on SPL rather than WCS tournaments. The cost is just too high. Maybe YoeFW or mYi can surprise and if EG would lend out Jaedong that would be great . So I am all for this, but don't see many foreign teams able to pull it off.
On August 19 2014 21:43 Liliputin wrote: what about a team of players who are under GEM? (YoDa, MC, First, Mvp...)
Good idea. GEM would be a playoff caliber team, especially if Hyunn would still play for them.
Didn't the GEM team fail to qualify for ATC?
Lost to team Welmu iirc.
Plus all the GEM players would have to move back to Korea making it difficult to participate in WCS AM/EU. I'm not sure that the players would want to do that.
Jaedong +++ HuK + Suppy Xenocider Demuslim TaeJa +++ HerO +++ Bunny ++ Snute ++ TLO + MaNa + Ret +
One plus: Capable of winning some maps Two pluses: Capable of being in the lineup successfully constantly winning 50%+ matches Three pluses: Capable to be among top ranked players in proleague.
Both teams would be capable to compete, EGTL are more top heavy, but Axiom-Acer is more balanced, Axiom alone brings pretty muc hviable lineup, acer adds Ace in InNoVation and few other capable players, but mostly substitutes except for MMA. EGTL would have 3 monster players and 2 arguably best foreigners at this point who are more than capable of taking some maps in proleague making it scary 5 player lineup.
If AxiomAcer were to partner up again they'd probably leave Nerchio, ParanOid and Bly like last time. Not enough quality and more importantly not enough room in the Axiom teamhouse.
Not enough qualitiy lol. Nerchio is a full time student, and only plays as much as is fun. He is one of the most talented players out there, but simply would never have an interest in playing proleague in korea or even full time.
Given the current format of WCS and the time the players have to commit to participate in it (let alone the international tournaments), no foreign teams would want to spend 8 months in Korea to play in Proleague. The only team that could do that is Axiom and they're based in Korea. A partnership with their historical bros Acer would be very nice and provide a very competitive team in Proleague I think (at least capable of reaching the round playoffs a couple of times).
So if the WCS format doesn't change and stays as heavy as it is right now, the only way we could see Liquid, Millenium, mouz, mYi players in Proleague would be for standalone events (like Race Wars tournament). I think one example would be a showmatch between the top 5 players of Proleague vs the top 5 players of ATC.
Maru, herO, sOs, Flash, Rain vs INnoVation, Starbuck, Dayshi, jjakji, Jaedong would be fun.
My only fear is that it will turn into another GSL...i mean GSL is open to the world. When's the last time u saw a foreigner there apart from the spectators?
Costs are to high for teams/people to go there and actively train for the korean specific SC formats...the format is unique compared to the rest of the world events and getting the $$ is less likely compared to just participating in other world class competitions. Less payment but more regular.
It would literally transform into a GSL clone.... a huge competition that is one of the best on the planet but because of X factors the number of foreign teams that can financially support participating in them is reduced to just a handful and most likely can't support it long therm.
I would love to see both Pro League and GSL get filled with foreigners for once. Would triple their value in my eyes.