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Poland3743 Posts
On August 22 2014 14:40 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 13:22 rift wrote: Mvp did as "well" as he did because he was the best player in a weak field during a year with 9 GSLs. Get real. Flash was only good in BW because Terran was OP That's hard to proof - statistics suggest that it was fairly balanced and terrans were OP more in times of oov, not in times of Flash.
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For me the by far best Article i read on teamliquid. Thumbs up!!!
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On August 25 2014 20:18 nimdil wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 14:40 Zealously wrote:On August 22 2014 13:22 rift wrote: Mvp did as "well" as he did because he was the best player in a weak field during a year with 9 GSLs. Get real. Flash was only good in BW because Terran was OP That's hard to proof - statistics suggest that it was fairly balanced and terrans were OP more in times of oov, not in times of Flash.
I don't actually believe that, I was making a statement I find just as absurd as the statement I was replying to
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Poland3743 Posts
On August 26 2014 06:26 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 20:18 nimdil wrote:On August 22 2014 14:40 Zealously wrote:On August 22 2014 13:22 rift wrote: Mvp did as "well" as he did because he was the best player in a weak field during a year with 9 GSLs. Get real. Flash was only good in BW because Terran was OP That's hard to proof - statistics suggest that it was fairly balanced and terrans were OP more in times of oov, not in times of Flash. I don't actually believe that, I was making a statement I find just as absurd as the statement I was replying to Ah, I apparently was irony impaired. Hopefully temporarily.
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I think this is really well written, especially the Korea bit.
Articles like this keep reminding me why this is my most visited site and the first bookmark on my list for 4 years now.
Thank you stuchiu, thank you TL!
On a side note I feel like the bad guy thinking back that I was up for Squirtle, Bomber & MKP vs MVP in finals and up for MC vs Duckdeok.
Im glad for stork, sorry for Yugioh and miss the days of when I gave a shit about most of the most successful Koreans like MVP, Nestea and MKP. Innovation and crew almost killed my love for watching SC2, but its back with a vengeance!
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You know, as one of the biggest fan boys of both Flash and Mvp, I would sacrafice whatever is on my schedule and pay whatever is necessary to watch them in a Bo7 with something significant (WCS title) on the line. I'd imagine it always going something like
Game 1: Flash > Mvp Flash reads Mvp like a book, using star-sense, and maphack mode to catch every little thing Mvp is doing, completely countering Mvp's strategy through smart scouting, and using a strong timing attack where Mvp is rendered useless.
*Mvp proceeds to take off his jacket* Flash 1 Mvp: 0
Game 2: Mvp > Flash Game 2: Mvp bringing forth a never before seen TvT strategy in HoTS catching completely off guard, catching Flash, all the players and especially by audience by surprise and barely scraping through Flash's last defense lines and decisively taking game 2
*Flash proceeds to drink Pocari Sweat* Flash: 1 Mvp: 1
Game 3: Flash > Mvp Game 3: Mvp challenges Flash to a Marine/Tank macro battle. Game goes to 4-5 bases for each player, but Flash slowly outpositions, out-macros and backs off Mvp into a corner. Mvp has no wriggle room and forced to gg
*Mvp proceeds to take off his cap* Flash: 2 Mvp: 1
Game 4: Mvp > Flash Game 4: Mvp goes on to do an ancient WoL strategy that is still viable in HoTS due to the meta never thought of by a player. Flash is caught with his pants down as he predicted a macro game based on his scouting and being overly greedy. He is wiped out quickly
*Flash takes out his ruler to recheck his dimensions* Flash: 2 Mvp: 2
Game 5: Flash > Mvp Game 5: Flash challenges Mvp to a mech vs mech macro game. Mvp is outplayed severely in dropship player/positional player and micro/macro after multiple exchanges. Audience wonders if Mvp can even scratch Flash in a macro game.
*Mvp mouth opens* Flash: 3 Mvp: 2
Game 6: Mvp > Flash Game 6: Mvp proceeds to challenge Flash to mech vs mech, but brings out his trump card: battlecruisers. Mvp outplays Flash with terran air and after another slug fest, takes a decisive, Game 6.
*Flash eyes twitches* and *Mvp's mouth remains wide open* Flash: 3 Mvp: 3
Game 7: Flash 2 rax all-in's, Mvp barely defends. Flash sends hoards and hoards of army on Mvp's turtle position where he barely holds on each time in Marine/Tank composition. Mvp proceeds to counter and switches to bio composition, where Flash then switches over to mech, and now he holds on with his patented, turtle terran. Mvp attempts to transition into Mvp, but Flash suffocates him with his mech army and proceeds to parade push him and Mvp leaves the studio.
Flash > Mvp Flash: 4 Mvp:3
Flash, the macro player, who just outplays his opponents in all aspects of the game. God of Starcraft And Mvp, the innovator. The King of Wings.
The story: In the innocent land of Bw, heroes came and gone. then it was ruled by evil and the world of starcraft was corrupted. Suddenly, a divine came. He brought salvation. He laid the groundwork of how beautiful the land could be. he ruled the lands and then just as he suddenly appeared, he disappeared, but was replaced by a lovable King, revered by many. Years past and the king suffered health problems, and slowly grew of age, and as prophecy told God was to appear in two years. The prophecy was fulfilled, the king bowed down and dethroned and God took his rightful place. *shrugs*
I have to too much free time on my hands.
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Nice article on the minor leagues of SC2. Good read.
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your Country52796 Posts
On August 27 2014 10:27 LighT. wrote: You know, as one of the biggest fan boys of both Flash and Mvp, I would sacrafice whatever is on my schedule and pay whatever is necessary to watch them in a Bo7 with something significant (WCS title) on the line. I'd imagine it always going something like
As another huge fan of both players, I imagined it being something like: Flash takes the first 3 games in glorious, standard macro TvT with perfect positioning. Mvp takes the next three with genius strategies, tactics, outsmarting Flash just enough to edge him out in non-standard macro games.
Game 7 is a 45 minute macro game on one of the hugest maps in the pool, featuring nukes and battlecruisers, and then the players base trade, leaving most of the map in rubble as they attempt to take a few bases at the corners that haven't been mined out. Eventually Flash takes a decisive edge, but Mvp launches a nuke at the edge of a cliff, and Flash's army walks under it and, since he doesn't see the nuke, the nuke lands on the entire army and Mvp wins 4-3.
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On August 27 2014 11:58 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2014 10:27 LighT. wrote: You know, as one of the biggest fan boys of both Flash and Mvp, I would sacrafice whatever is on my schedule and pay whatever is necessary to watch them in a Bo7 with something significant (WCS title) on the line. I'd imagine it always going something like
As another huge fan of both players, I imagined it being something like: Flash takes the first 3 games in glorious, standard macro TvT with perfect positioning. Mvp takes the next three with genius strategies, tactics, outsmarting Flash just enough to edge him out in non-standard macro games. Game 7 is a 45 minute macro game on one of the hugest maps in the pool, featuring nukes and battlecruisers, and then the players base trade, leaving most of the map in rubble as they attempt to take a few bases at the corners that haven't been mined out. Eventually Flash takes a decisive edge, but Mvp launches a nuke at the edge of a cliff, and Flash's army walks under it and, since he doesn't see the nuke, the nuke lands on the entire army and Mvp wins 4-3.
Flash walking under a nuke? What alternate reality is this?
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22271 Posts
it'll probably be both players 2raxing on a 4 player map, diagonal spawn. they scout each other and realize they are both 2raxing. mvp doesnt build the orbital command and lets a few scvs ride the cc into another base, while all of flash's scvs die. they fight in the middle of the map with only marines, and flash wins the battle with 1 2hp marine left. flash floats his orbital and 2raxes to the opposite horizontal base and mvp does the same. mvp unloads the scvs and builds his orbital, flash starts building scvs. flash goes cc first, mvp 2raxes again. mvp wins.
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On August 27 2014 12:07 lichter wrote: it'll probably be both players 2raxing on a 4 player map, diagonal spawn. they scout each other and realize they are both 2raxing. mvp doesnt build the orbital command and lets a few scvs ride the cc into another base, while all of flash's scvs die. they fight in the middle of the map with only marines, and flash wins the battle with 1 2hp marine left. flash floats his orbital and 2raxes to the opposite horizontal base and mvp does the same. mvp unloads the scvs and builds his orbital, flash starts building scvs. flash goes cc first, mvp 2raxes again. mvp wins.
What happened to the barracks from the first 2raxes?
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I'd still favor Flash over MVP for sure just based upon the past encounter between them, mvp will be a nerve wreak going against Flash knowing their past one sideness.
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Northern Ireland20783 Posts
Just think that in one of the infinite parallel realities that Mvp is currently injury free
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On August 22 2014 21:52 SinO[Ob] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 21:44 StarStruck wrote:On August 22 2014 21:40 SinO[Ob] wrote:On August 22 2014 21:31 NexUmbra wrote:On August 22 2014 20:42 SinO[Ob] wrote:On August 22 2014 19:38 Psychobabas wrote: Still disagree with allowing Koreans in NA and EU WCS.
Way to kill off potential talent and local fanbase. Everything for a quick buck though, I suppose...
Look at the state of the Live Stream viewership... lol... Care you will be called racist cause you dont want Korean in EU or AM scene. I would love to see more of EU or NA players. But anyway ppl are too attached to Koreans :/. We have them everywhere, but still not enough for some of the community. I hope a real EU and NA league will be created, Great article though. As usual . I will admit that it was fucking awesome to be in the GSL Qualifiers threads talking about all the foreigners who were playing, or watching Jinro vs Idra in the Ro8 of GSL, or watching Jinro get two Ro4s back to back, but those days are gone. If we were to not allow Koreans to play in WCS EU/NA then we would have foreigners vs foreigners all the time, reducing the quality of the games. How can foreigner players can be confident with that kind of community? "You know we love you but youre terrible at this game so plz let korean make the show." We have koreans at every tournaments possible even little ones. And youre right some of them are incredible to watch. But first not all koreans, and second I take as much pleasure to see a Mana vs Bunny as a MMA vs MC. They are all good! But no brood war days have made this community ellitist. Give a chance to foreigners. They work as much as koreans. They deserve it! It's what we dealt with during all those BW years? TeamLiquid thrived on the fact that there could be two communities. We had a good combo of both lmao. How else you think this community could live on back then!?!?! Im not sure to undertsand what you say. So sorry if my answer is wrong. its like you need to pay back something to koreans, cause they are good at this game. They have a lot of exposure in every major tounrament. I dont see why foreigner could not have 1, not 15, just 1 MAJOR tournament (meaning with a good cashprize, and exposure) for them to show us what they can do. I will thx koreans everytime to make Esport getting so big by their skills, but they are not alone on this planet to enjoy this game or make it enjoyable to watch. (Nationwars, plz!)
I'm talking about the very existence of this website, which was Brood War. You had the pro gamers in Korea and you had the foreigner community as well. We co-existed and this whole topic of major tournaments is silly with everything that goes on nowadays. It's in a much better place than what it was in the BW days. Nothing wrong with nation wars (another thing we had way back when). In fact, how do you think those guys came up with it in the first place? We've been asking for it to come back for some time.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22271 Posts
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Wow, I have goosebumps reading the Korea part. Thanks for that stuchiu! Mvp owning everyone was amazing to watch - overall the prime of (LG)IM was unbelievable. Especially Mvp's Mech was beautiful to see. On one hand I really miss the old days, but on the other it's amazing to see that the GSL is getting harder every year - Ro16 this year is sooooo stacked!
Regarding Mvp vs Flash: I love Mvp, but at the moment he would most likely get owned pretty hard by Flash. Flash is on fire and Mvp is sadly way past his prime.
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France9034 Posts
On August 27 2014 10:27 LighT. wrote:+ Show Spoiler +You know, as one of the biggest fan boys of both Flash and Mvp, I would sacrafice whatever is on my schedule and pay whatever is necessary to watch them in a Bo7 with something significant (WCS title) on the line. I'd imagine it always going something like Game 1: Flash > MvpFlash reads Mvp like a book, using star-sense, and maphack mode to catch every little thing Mvp is doing, completely countering Mvp's strategy through smart scouting, and using a strong timing attack where Mvp is rendered useless. *Mvp proceeds to take off his jacket* Flash 1 Mvp: 0 Game 2: Mvp > FlashGame 2: Mvp bringing forth a never before seen TvT strategy in HoTS catching completely off guard, catching Flash, all the players and especially by audience by surprise and barely scraping through Flash's last defense lines and decisively taking game 2 *Flash proceeds to drink Pocari Sweat* Flash: 1 Mvp: 1 Game 3: Flash > MvpGame 3: Mvp challenges Flash to a Marine/Tank macro battle. Game goes to 4-5 bases for each player, but Flash slowly outpositions, out-macros and backs off Mvp into a corner. Mvp has no wriggle room and forced to gg *Mvp proceeds to take off his cap* Flash: 2 Mvp: 1 Game 4: Mvp > FlashGame 4: Mvp goes on to do an ancient WoL strategy that is still viable in HoTS due to the meta never thought of by a player. Flash is caught with his pants down as he predicted a macro game based on his scouting and being overly greedy. He is wiped out quickly *Flash takes out his ruler to recheck his dimensions* Flash: 2 Mvp: 2 Game 5: Flash > MvpGame 5: Flash challenges Mvp to a mech vs mech macro game. Mvp is outplayed severely in dropship player/positional player and micro/macro after multiple exchanges. Audience wonders if Mvp can even scratch Flash in a macro game. *Mvp mouth opens* Flash: 3 Mvp: 2 Game 6: Mvp > FlashGame 6: Mvp proceeds to challenge Flash to mech vs mech, but brings out his trump card: battlecruisers. Mvp outplays Flash with terran air and after another slug fest, takes a decisive, Game 6. *Flash eyes twitches* and *Mvp's mouth remains wide open* Flash: 3 Mvp: 3 Game 7: Flash 2 rax all-in's, Mvp barely defends. Flash sends hoards and hoards of army on Mvp's turtle position where he barely holds on each time in Marine/Tank composition. Mvp proceeds to counter and switches to bio composition, where Flash then switches over to mech, and now he holds on with his patented, turtle terran. Mvp attempts to transition into Mvp, but Flash suffocates him with his mech army and proceeds to parade push him and Mvp leaves the studio. Flash > MvpFlash: 4 Mvp:3 Flash, the macro player, who just outplays his opponents in all aspects of the game. God of Starcraft And Mvp, the innovator. The King of Wings. The story: In the innocent land of Bw, heroes came and gone. then it was ruled by evil and the world of starcraft was corrupted. Suddenly, a divine came. He brought salvation. He laid the groundwork of how beautiful the land could be. he ruled the lands and then just as he suddenly appeared, he disappeared, but was replaced by a lovable King, revered by many. Years past and the king suffered health problems, and slowly grew of age, and as prophecy told God was to appear in two years. The prophecy was fulfilled, the king bowed down and dethroned and God took his rightful place. *shrugs* I have to too much free time on my hands.
I like when you don't know what to do, I had chills reading your little fiction!
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[QUOTE]On August 22 2014 12:54 MiniFotToss wrote: [QUOTE]On August 22 2014 12:14 stuchiu wrote: Yes, Soulkey, Dear, Zest, and Classic are incredible players that fully deserve the admiration and applause that comes with a championship. But inevitably they feel lacking because all GSL champions must stand in the shadow of one man.
ALL GSL champions? maybe not fore Nestea as much as others cuz he won 3 GSL's?[/QUOTE] and MC...but what i really want to know is if you put Life Stephano DRG Soulkey INnoVation Nestea MC Polt Mvp MMA sOs Naniwa Rain and Taeja all in the same group, a round robin where by some miracle all of them are playing their absolute best ever starcraft, who wins?
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On August 30 2014 08:43 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2014 12:54 MiniFotToss wrote:On August 22 2014 12:14 stuchiu wrote: Yes, Soulkey, Dear, Zest, and Classic are incredible players that fully deserve the admiration and applause that comes with a championship. But inevitably they feel lacking because all GSL champions must stand in the shadow of one man. ALL GSL champions? maybe not fore Nestea as much as others cuz he won 3 GSL's? and MC...but what i really want to know is if you put Life Stephano DRG Soulkey INnoVation Nestea MC Polt Mvp MMA sOs Naniwa Rain and Taeja all in the same group, a round robin where by some miracle all of them are playing their absolute best ever starcraft, who wins? Sniper
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On August 30 2014 08:48 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2014 08:43 Cricketer12 wrote:On August 22 2014 12:54 MiniFotToss wrote:On August 22 2014 12:14 stuchiu wrote: Yes, Soulkey, Dear, Zest, and Classic are incredible players that fully deserve the admiration and applause that comes with a championship. But inevitably they feel lacking because all GSL champions must stand in the shadow of one man. ALL GSL champions? maybe not fore Nestea as much as others cuz he won 3 GSL's? and MC...but what i really want to know is if you put Life Stephano DRG Soulkey INnoVation Nestea MC Polt Mvp MMA sOs Naniwa Rain and Taeja all in the same group, a round robin where by some miracle all of them are playing their absolute best ever starcraft, who wins? Sniper ...you.....
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