This actually looks pretty good considering Jaedong would probably be knocked down by whoever does well in this GSL, although Maru would probably be knocked out too lol, regardless of fanboyism increasing the points for GSL looks like a good thing and I think this shows that the idea is good even if double is bit too much.
Even better would be more GSL seasons, spreading out the points more among the really skilled players. More opportunities for consistent point earning.
Any other things you'd like to see Blizzard pay attention to in 2015?
Hm, I'd like it if they'd try to get KeSPA players opinions when they're making balance patches. Like, have KeSPA send out a survey to all the players. I'd like it if they'd ask all of us our opinions. Also, when they're making new maps, I'd like it if they asked us our opinions before making them ladder maps. Finally, it would be great if we could have four or more GSLs a year. Three is too few T_T
I think three seasons is just right. Having too many seasons kind of devaluates each season and most importantly the title of the champion. I'd rather have a second tournament series running alongside it.
ESL to open studio in Seoul and start WCS Korea alongside GSL? Yes, please.
I just randomly threw out a very big number because that's how Blizzard operates. This list looks much better than the current WCS standings, though. It's far more indicative of actual skill and performance.
I just randomly threw out a very big number because that's how Blizzard operates. This list looks much better than the current WCS standings, though. It's far more indicative of actual skill and performance.
It's funny to read all these people saying "Just do more tournaments in Korea," these tournaments aren't just going to appear out of thin air. The reason why they might add points to proleague is because proleague is already an established thing, no one has to put more money into the scene.
On September 16 2014 01:40 NexUmbra wrote: It's funny to read all these people saying "Just do more tournaments in Korea," these tournaments aren't just going to appear out of thin air. The reason why they might add points to proleague is because proleague is already an established thing, no one has to put more money into the scene.
And why exactly this begun with sc2? Before sc2 came out, Korea had ~5 wc3 & CS1.6 weekend-tournaments yearly (2004-2009) with great prizepool. Edit: I dont follow CS:GO, but I guess CS:GO doesnt have tournaments in KR too.
On September 16 2014 01:40 NexUmbra wrote: It's funny to read all these people saying "Just do more tournaments in Korea," these tournaments aren't just going to appear out of thin air. The reason why they might add points to proleague is because proleague is already an established thing, no one has to put more money into the scene.
And why exactly this begun with sc2? Before sc2 came out, Korea had ~5 wc3 & CS1.6 weekend-tournaments yearly (2004-2009) with great prizepool. Edit: I dont follow CS:GO, but I guess CS:GO doesnt have tournaments in KR too.
I think it's a symptom of following the BW model where most of the interest was consolidated in a few big long-term leagues (like MSL, OSL, Proleague then; now GSL and Proleague). Other tournaments would have to work around them, and most just ended up being products of KeSPA (or its subsidiaries) and Gom themselves.
From my perspective, Blizzcon would be at its best if its about 50 percent KeSPA players and 50 percent everybody else. The truth is the top KeSPA pros are the best in the world and I want to see them at Blizzcon. So I'm all for this. Even cooler though would be if Blizzard put together a showmatch at Blizzcon or elsewhere that pitted the current proleague champs against a team of all star foreigners. Because Blizzcon also doesn't feature enough non-Koreans.
Make Proleague an open tournament for all teams around the world and give points for every round individual wins/ team wins - round winners or whatever , fans and players could also benefit if it was atleast a Bo7 with a Bo9 round playe-offs . Just like there is a Dreamhack/IEM tournament every so month there were 5 round finals that could have given points to the most winning players . That way people won't bitch about it being restricted , and players / teams can choose in what they want to invest .
Europe and America is saturated with all this little 2-3 day tournaments . Korean and foreigners not in Kespa just tour around the world collecting points without even winning tournaments , just scraping a top 16 , 8 , top 4 every now and then and they get to go to blizzcon with this tournament tourism .
While on the other hand The top ACEs of each teams barely gets any point in Proleague and unless you're Zest with the best PvZ and PvP in the world and win a couple of GSLs , or herO and Classic who are almost as solid as Zest and proly better then him in PvT you won't get to blizzcon . Even sOs who wins all this big priced tournaments could probably not make it in blizzcon to defend his title .
With all do respect to some of the players in that top 16 or top 25 list calculated in the WCS predictor , are they more deserving then players like Soo who won god knows how many second places in GSL , or players like Rain , Maru , and probably all of the top 2 - 3 players on each Kespa team ? Kespa is an year long tournament and doesn't get any points while the 3 day tournaments supply points . I think there is something wrong with that .
Thats why we see top of the top players like Rain , Parting , Effort leaving Kespa teams , because of the stagnation , not much benefits in playing for the best teams in the world nor in the strongest league in the world . If points are calculated fairly i don't see why Proleague can't be integrated in the Blizzcon system ? And the haters will say , "but it's a teamleague" and so what if it is ? It is the only teamleague i think it deserves better then a weekend long tournament ... Proleague needs more recognition and more influx of players , money and points . That or Kespa cup running every month with a similar Dreamhack/IEM price pool - points , could also do the job , but i would rather see more being invested in Proleague , where i could root for a team , not just a player .
It would be best if there was a season world final after every season of GSL / WCS AM /WCS EU , similar to last year . I don't know why it got scrapped this year . It was way more entertaining then watching tens of smaller tournaments throughout the year .
On September 16 2014 01:40 NexUmbra wrote: It's funny to read all these people saying "Just do more tournaments in Korea," these tournaments aren't just going to appear out of thin air. The reason why they might add points to proleague is because proleague is already an established thing, no one has to put more money into the scene.
And why exactly this begun with sc2? Before sc2 came out, Korea had ~5 wc3 & CS1.6 weekend-tournaments yearly (2004-2009) with great prizepool. Edit: I dont follow CS:GO, but I guess CS:GO doesnt have tournaments in KR too.
I think it's a symptom of following the BW model where most of the interest was consolidated in a few big long-term leagues (like MSL, OSL, Proleague then; now GSL and Proleague). Other tournaments would have to work around them, and most just ended up being products of KeSPA (or its subsidiaries) and Gom themselves.
3 OSLs and 3 MSLs every year is 6 tournaments per year, double what we have with GSL currently. We wouldn't be having this problem if that was still the case.
How can people possibly see this as unfair? Committing to playing in proleague is a far bigger commitment than going to any of these weekend tournaments that give massive points, why would you not reward points for the most competitive team league? How is it fair exactly that players in proleague commit months of their time often forsaking individual league showings yet get nothing for it?
On September 16 2014 04:05 raga4ka wrote: Make Proleague an open tournament for all teams around the world and give points for every round individual wins/ team wins - round winners or whatever , fans and players could also benefit if it was atleast a Bo7 with a Bo9 round playe-offs . Just like there is a Dreamhack/IEM tournament every so month there were 5 round finals that could have given points to the most winning players . That way people won't bitch about it being restricted , and players / teams can choose in what they want to invest .
No, an open teamleague tournament just feels that this isnt a serious tournament anymore. Just give 50% or 100% more points at GSL, that pretty fine.
Europe and America is saturated with all this little 2-3 day tournaments . Korean and foreigners not in Kespa just tour around the world collecting points without even winning tournaments , just scraping a top 16 , 8 , top 4 every now and then and they get to go to blizzcon with this tournament tourism .
I dislike this wcs system aswell, I said one year ago such nonWCS tournaments shouldn't give any points. Only the actual wcs gices points. wcs points reduce the meaning of DH/IEM alot because they are there because of wcs points.
With all do respect to some of the players in that top 16 or top 25 list calculated in the WCS predictor , are they more deserving then players like Soo who won god knows how many second places in GSL , or players like Rain , Maru , and probably all of the top 2 - 3 players on each Kespa team ? Kespa is an year long tournament and doesn't get any points while the 3 day tournaments supply points . I think there is something wrong with that .
As many said, someone did a wcs ranking if GSL gives double points (Zest 1st, soO 5th etc).
Thats why we see top of the top players like Rain , Parting , Effort leaving Kespa teams , because of the stagnation , not much benefits in playing for the best teams in the world nor in the strongest league in the world . If points are calculated fairly i don't see why Proleague can't be integrated in the Blizzcon system ? And the haters will say , "but it's a teamleague" and so what if it is ? It is the only teamleague i think it deserves better then a weekend long tournament ... Proleague needs more recognition and more influx of players , money and points . That or Kespa cup running every month with a similar Dreamhack/IEM price pool - points , could also do the job , but i would rather see more being invested in Proleague , where i could root for a team , not just a player .
Blizzcon is an individual tournament. If someone qualfies for individual tournament because he did a great job in a teamleague, this just feels so wrong (and undeserved). You should ask Parting or Rain, they like overseas and weekends tournaments, unlike Innovation (he said that too before he joined Acer).
Makes sense to me. It's a bit unfair that players who only play proleague have no chance of attending blizzcon and proleague has a high level of play and should be rewarded as such
On September 15 2014 21:26 Wroshe wrote: hmm, I would be vehemently opposed to this. This would mean that WCS points from here on in are not earned on merit but on whether your coach fields you or not.
right now it's whether your team has moneyz to send you to whatever tournament or not. The WCS system is stupid in the first place.