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Australia18228 Posts
On March 16 2015 15:50 doihy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2015 15:45 RPR_Tempest wrote:On March 16 2015 15:44 skylinefan wrote: He's entertaining and educational enough for me and a lot of us out there. Why the hate people? If he is really viewbotting then the burden of proof to establish a prima facie case is on the accusers not winter. If he really is vb then it's a a shame really but that won't stop me and a lot of us who have been enjoying his content from continuing to enjoy his streams. They literally just explained their reasoning in this post. Good job, TeamLiquid. It's nice to see justice served. avilo mentioned HTOMario (also featured) has been viewerbotting as well. I don't watch Mario and thus don't know if this is true, but it perhaps warrants some investigation. Couple days ago i saw him around 700 - 1000. I know he's been featured recently but before he was featured he was around 200 viewers on average.
I think that was from one the popular channels hosting him (forget which)
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DANIEL FENNER THAT IS ALL
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Thank god Winter is de-featured. Some people think he is entertaining. I just thought he was irritating, and couldn't understand why he had so many viewers.
I just went to his twitch channel and mentioned one little thing about the viewbotting... banned. Says it all really.
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On March 16 2015 15:44 skylinefan wrote: He's entertaining and educational enough for me and a lot of us out there. Why the hate people? If he is really viewbotting then the burden of proof to establish a prima facie case is on the accusers not winter. If he really is vb then it's a a shame really but that won't stop me and a lot of us who have been enjoying his content from continuing to enjoy his streams. This isn't a court of law. TL can feature or unfeature whoever they want.
Also, this statement is false. True/false?
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Sword of justice went to rightful hands.
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There are jerks who will do anything to make someone look like they are crazy. A lot of them just have money to throw away to troll someone.
In my case, someone shelled out enough money to buy me like 60,000 fake twitter followers. Within a week twitter support took care of like 8,000. Then over the next three months, twitter took care of the rest of them when I emailed their support team.
On topic of the OP now, does this mean that I have what it takes to be feautured as a teamliquid streamer?
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Oh please. Let me point out what this is really all about. This is about TL trying to avoid any of this drama. There are trolls all over Twitch and Reddit looking to create drama anywhere and everywhere Winter is advertised, and TL doesn't want any of it. If you honestly expect any rational person to accept that you can't gauge if Winter meets your 100-150 viewer requirement, viewbots or not, then you are trying too hard to come up with excuses. You can already look up stats on his subs, being way over that amount (Over 600).
Avilo has had an obsessive attitude towards Winter for a long time now. The kind that borders stalking. This is why any mention of his name warrants a time out in Winter's chat. I looked through that reddit post. I saw the proof. I agree that there has undoubtedly been viewbots on Winter's channel. Yet some of those "suspicious" accounts Avilo cites follow typical stupid naming schemes people have been using for decades now. Really? We're to suspect xxCloudUchihaxxk because his name is dumb and he is only following Winter?
There is only one party that can determine if Winter is at fault here. That is Twitch. All Twitch has done thus far is work with Winter to take measures to stop his channel from getting viewbot traffic. They have in the past banned streamers for viewboting. Yet here they haven't. I'm sorry but you can't just point out "Twitch is doing nothing about it" like they are simply choosing not to.
For anyone else, the burden of proof is on the accuser. The evidence Avilo presented is not good enough to determine if Winter backed those bots.
All being said. Winter HAS helped the Sc2 community. His viewership is the only way SC2 hits the top streamed games list when there are no professional games being streamed. For TL to take a stance like this so publicly, I can only find it disrespectful.
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Germany25642 Posts
On March 16 2015 16:13 BreAKerTV wrote: There are jerks who will do anything to make someone look like they are crazy. A lot of them just have money to throw away to troll someone.
In my case, someone shelled out enough money to buy me like 60,000 fake twitter followers. Within a week twitter support took care of like 8,000. Then over the next three months, twitter took care of the rest of them when I emailed their support team.
On topic of the OP now, does this mean that I have what it takes to be feautured as a teamliquid streamer?
Do you meet any of the requirements?
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Katowice25012 Posts
On March 16 2015 15:48 PiGStarcraft wrote: Very happy with these changes. I like that it's actually stated that quality of content is now a path to getting featured. Just relying on viewer-counts to measure quality definitely had its holes.
For what its worth quality has always been a relevant factor in our decisions though in the past two years or so I've trended more towards objective measurements.
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On March 16 2015 16:17 KadaverBB wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2015 16:13 BreAKerTV wrote: There are jerks who will do anything to make someone look like they are crazy. A lot of them just have money to throw away to troll someone.
In my case, someone shelled out enough money to buy me like 60,000 fake twitter followers. Within a week twitter support took care of like 8,000. Then over the next three months, twitter took care of the rest of them when I emailed their support team.
On topic of the OP now, does this mean that I have what it takes to be feautured as a teamliquid streamer? Do you meet any of the requirements? Let's just wait until early April. Maybe I'll apply then. Do these terms also apply to liquidlegends.net?
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I wanted to recommend PiLiPiLi as a streamer to be featured. He's a pretty high ranked GM Protoss that is very active as both a player in tournaments, as well as a streamer. He almost always has a fair viewerbase of at least 100 after streaming for a bit and provides some good commentary with a really fun playstyle. I think he fits the criteria of a quality streamer because of this and his very heavy viewer interaction. He's a hard worker and I think he's definitely worth featuring.
http://www.twitch.tv/pilipili96
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22271 Posts
On March 16 2015 16:17 InDLegacy wrote: Oh please. Let me point out what this is really all about. This is about TL trying to avoid any of this drama. There are trolls all over Twitch and Reddit looking to create drama anywhere and everywhere Winter is advertised, and TL doesn't want any of it. If you honestly expect any rational person to accept that you can't gauge if Winter meets your 100-150 viewer requirement, viewbots or not, then you are trying too hard to come up with excuses. You can already look up stats on his subs, being way over that amount (Over 600).
Avilo has had an obsessive attitude towards Winter for a long time now. The kind that borders stalking. This is why any mention of his name warrants a time out in Winter's chat. I looked through that reddit post. I saw the proof. I agree that there has undoubtedly been viewbots on Winter's channel. Yet some of those "suspicious" accounts Avilo cites follow typical stupid naming schemes people have been using for decades now. Really? We're to suspect xxCloudUchihaxxk because his name is dumb and he is only following Winter?
There is only one party that can determine if Winter is at fault here. That is Twitch. All Twitch has done thus far is work with Winter to take measures to stop his channel from getting viewbot traffic. They have in the past banned streamers for viewboting. Yet here they haven't. I'm sorry but you can't just point out "Twitch is doing nothing about it" like they are simply choosing not to.
For anyone else, the burden of proof is on the accuser. The evidence Avilo presented is not good enough to determine if Winter backed those bots.
All being said. Winter HAS helped the Sc2 community. His viewership is the only way SC2 hits the top streamed games list when there are no professional games being streamed. For TL to take a stance like this so publicly, I can only find it disrespectful.
He definitely meets the requirements to be featured without viewbots. Unfortunately, until the viewbots are purged and he can prove that he had no hand in being viewbotted, he also breaks one of the rules and must be defeatured.
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On March 16 2015 16:17 InDLegacy wrote: Oh please. Let me point out what this is really all about. This is about TL trying to avoid any of this drama. There are trolls all over Twitch and Reddit looking to create drama anywhere and everywhere Winter is advertised, and TL doesn't want any of it. If you honestly expect any rational person to accept that you can't gauge if Winter meets your 100-150 viewer requirement, viewbots or not, then you are trying too hard to come up with excuses. You can already look up stats on his subs, being way over that amount (Over 600).
Avilo has had an obsessive attitude towards Winter for a long time now. The kind that borders stalking. This is why any mention of his name warrants a time out in Winter's chat. I looked through that reddit post. I saw the proof. I agree that there has undoubtedly been viewbots on Winter's channel. Yet some of those "suspicious" accounts Avilo cites follow typical stupid naming schemes people have been using for decades now. Really? We're to suspect xxCloudUchihaxxk because his name is dumb and he is only following Winter?
There is only one party that can determine if Winter is at fault here. That is Twitch. All Twitch has done thus far is work with Winter to take measures to stop his channel from getting viewbot traffic. They have in the past banned streamers for viewboting. Yet here they haven't. I'm sorry but you can't just point out "Twitch is doing nothing about it" like they are simply choosing not to.
For anyone else, the burden of proof is on the accuser. The evidence Avilo presented is not good enough to determine if Winter backed those bots.
All being said. Winter HAS helped the Sc2 community. His viewership is the only way SC2 hits the top streamed games list when there are no professional games being streamed. For TL to take a stance like this so publicly, I can only find it disrespectful.
The fact that you made an account on this site just to post in this thread indicates that you're biased to defending winter's ethics in this matter.
The community has collectively decided that the support of an individual that excels using illegitimate means is unwarranted. We apologize if this causes any inconvenience for you, or your friend winter
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22271 Posts
also i am making a list and checking it twice, don't expect instant featuring, we still gotta review people
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Nice revision. It's definitely better to have a list of visible criteria rather than simply basing features off of raw (potentially inflated) numbers.
I feel like the featured streams list just became relevant to my interests again!
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On March 16 2015 16:24 Taidanii wrote:The fact that you made an account on this site just to post in this thread indicates that you're biased to defending winter's ethics in this matter. The community has collectively decided that the support of an individual that excels using illegitimate means is unwarranted. We apologize if this causes any inconvenience for you, or your friend winter
Yeah so easy to checklist all the reasons to discredit someone's viewpoint. Rather than respond to the actual content of their reply. What a plebeian way of responding to someone.
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On March 16 2015 16:27 InDLegacy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2015 16:24 Taidanii wrote:On March 16 2015 16:17 InDLegacy wrote: -snip-. The fact that you made an account on this site just to post in this thread indicates that you're biased to defending winter's ethics in this matter. The community has collectively decided that the support of an individual that excels using illegitimate means is unwarranted. We apologize if this causes any inconvenience for you, or your friend winter Yeah so easy to checklist all the reasons to discredit someone's viewpoint. Rather than respond to the actual content of their reply. What a plebeian way of responding to someone.
"The community has collectively decided that the support of an individual that excels using illegitimate means is unwarranted. We apologize if this causes any inconvenience for you, or your friend winter"
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Sweeet. Great post, I agree with it all. I can't wait to show you guys what I've got.
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I talked to a twitch staff member (thrice) in avilo's stream tonight, and he said he'd forwarded the reddit posts to the appropriate twitch higher-ups. As you said they've already banned eggy, so I'm pretty optimistic that hammers will be droppin'.
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