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Finally got around to seeing the HD trailer instead of the shit quality one. Few things.
- Is there a canon basis for all the religion stuff? I've never heard about Supermen cults, statues and guards with his damn logo on their arms. He got a private army or something? - The CGI is distracting at points. I know he is going for the comic book/watchmen thing, but it looks worse than the first Sin City. - Batman looks awesome. - Jesse Eisenberg sounds like Jesse Eisenberg, as I feared. The delivery of that line had no power for me. Imagine how Cranston, or even Spacey/Hackman would have delivered it.
Ultimately I think Man of Steel dug the directors a pretty big hole. When Batman says something about making Superman bleed it just sounds stupid. The first movie saw Superman being hit into buildings and trains at a constant rate and him not even being scratched, let alone bleeding. That plus Superman proved he could basically overpower "kryptonite" in the first movie. There is nothing Batman should be able to do.
I don't see how they can do this without directly contradicting the canon the first movie created. Therein lies the problem of going "Gritty Realism" with Superman; he is inherently too comicbooky (overpowered).
Still going to see the movie ofc.
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On April 21 2015 06:41 On_Slaught wrote: Finally got around to seeing the HD trailer instead of the shit quality one. Few things.
- Is there a canon basis for all the religion stuff? I've never heard about Supermen cults, statues and guards with his damn logo on their arms. He got a private army or something? - The CGI is distracting at points. I know he is going for the comic book/watchmen thing, but it looks worse than the first Sin City. - Batman looks awesome. - Jesse Eisenberg sounds like Jesse Eisenberg, as I feared. The delivery of that line had no power for me. Imagine how Cranston, or even Spacey/Hackman would have delivered it.
Ultimately I think Man of Steel dug the directors a pretty big hole. When Batman says something about making Superman bleed it just sounds stupid. The first movie saw Superman being hit into buildings and trains at a constant rate and him not even being scratched, let alone bleeding. That plus Superman proved he could basically overpower "kryptonite" in the first movie. There is nothing Batman should be able to do.
I don't see how they can do this without directly contradicting the canon the first movie created.
Still going to see the movie ofc. I don't think it got religious in the Miller books, which I was led to believe was more that Superman was made to be Luthor's lackey as he had made miniature the last Kryptonian city.
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On April 19 2015 22:15 Diavlo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 20:30 Faust852 wrote:On April 19 2015 18:19 Diavlo wrote:On April 19 2015 14:29 Flaccid wrote:On April 19 2015 05:05 zoLo wrote: The only skepticism I really have is Zack Snyder. We can all agree that he is amazing when it comes to visuals and making a cool looking movie. The problem I have is that it's style over substance. Snyder's movies doesn't have that emotional connection from movie to viewer. A big relief is that Ben Affleck brought Chris Terrio to edit and revise David Goyer's script. Sometimes I feel like I'm the only person who really liked the Watchmen film. I never expected a good movie to be made out of that incredible comic book but, man, I re-watch that thing at least a few times a year. I thought he did a fantastic job. Making a good movie out of amazing comics is not that hard, even the Wachowski managed to do it and they fucking suck. I'm pretty sure the Wachowski's will be seen as two of the most influencial directors in the world in 50' years. But heh, it's not like people like to bash them for nothing too. Why would they be? The only thing they significantly impacted were visuals and special effects, mostly through the slow-motion effect which has already been turned into a gimmick. I give them credit for adapting V for vendetta for James McTeigue and coming up with the matrix which was pretty smart, but the sequels, their other 3 movies and their video games are all absolutely terrible. I also don't think the wachowskis are great movie makers, but they are influential for sure. after "the matrix", a lot of action movies tried to find their own visual style which made them "unique". people also got a lot more creative with what they would do. before that we had a lot of "meh" 90s action movies. just look at the JamesBond movies of that era and how bland a lot of them are compared to the matrix. (quality aside)
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On April 21 2015 06:41 On_Slaught wrote: Ultimately I think Man of Steel dug the directors a pretty big hole. When Batman says something about making Superman bleed it just sounds stupid. The first movie saw Superman being hit into buildings and trains at a constant rate and him not even being scratched, let alone bleeding. That plus Superman proved he could basically overpower "kryptonite" in the first movie. There is nothing Batman should be able to do.
I don't see how they can do this without directly contradicting the canon the first movie created. Therein lies the problem of going "Gritty Realism" with Superman; he is inherently too comicbooky (overpowered).
Still going to see the movie ofc.
I just think the premise is stupid to begin with. I get the brains vs brawns theme, but the two are just too far apart to think it's a reasonable fight. Superman should crush batman easily, but they'll find a way to either make him a moron, or have many contrived situations to give batman a chance.
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It´s not about the movie, but since it´s from the same universe and we don´t have a Suicide Squad thread (I might make one actually)... first official picture from Jared Leto´s Joker!
Personally, I think it´s absolutely insane! I´m really loving where they are going with this and he actually brings this comic book look and feel to the cinema, with the over the top tattoos and teeth (and the awesome green hair of course).
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Looks like Mr. Cool Ice.
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On April 21 2015 06:41 On_Slaught wrote: Ultimately I think Man of Steel dug the directors a pretty big hole. When Batman says something about making Superman bleed it just sounds stupid. The first movie saw Superman being hit into buildings and trains at a constant rate and him not even being scratched, let alone bleeding. That plus Superman proved he could basically overpower "kryptonite" in the first movie. There is nothing Batman should be able to do.
I don't see how they can do this without directly contradicting the canon the first movie created. Therein lies the problem of going "Gritty Realism" with Superman; he is inherently too comicbooky (overpowered). I sort of agree except for two points. First is the question of how badly Superman will want to fight Batman. Superman was reluctant to kill in MoS and in the Dark Knight Returns, he's trying to incapacitate rather than kill Batman.
I think such a fight also usually emphasizes that Superman is a slob of a fighter who mostly relies on taking his opponents' best punches and then overcoming them nonetheless (hence the iconic letting people shoot him in the chest rather than dodging or blocking). I thought the "do you bleed" line is cool because it goads Superman into a fight but it probably also intrigues him into letting Batman hit him to see what he's got.
Personally, my biggest problem with Superman from MoS is that he has Goku's origin story but it takes him a minimal montage to develop his skills. How many large falling things can he prop up to work out those muscles?
EDIT: It would be funny if the answer to "do you bleed" turns out to be metaphorical and Batman flexes his own superpowers. Yeah, he banged Lois Lane. Yeah, he bought out Superrman's mom's house in Smallville and leveled it for a soulless mall with 15 different Starbucks shops in it. Yeah, he bought the Daily Planet and turned it into a mix of a tabloid and Fox News. Yeah, he dug up Superman's dad out of his grave and...you know what, that WAS kind of fucked up.
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It's astonishing how much they are fucking this up, and the movie is a year away. That Joker image is embarrassing. They are going for Frank Millers Batman, they are returning to the comics for the characters, blah, blah, blah... here is your Neo Nazi Joker now!
Leto look more like your standard Joker henchmen than Joker himself. A "damaged" tattoo on the forehead? It's so blunt, juvenile, and lazy I'm shocked that they would let the public see this. Ohhh he has a skull with a jester hat tattoo! My brother is right. This isn't how a badass looks. This is how somebody who thinks they are badass when they aren't looks. All the lazy self-referential art instead of the iconic clown makeup. The fucked up teeth is distracting too.
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On April 29 2015 04:55 On_Slaught wrote: It's astonishing how much they are fucking this up, and the movie is a year away. That Joker image is embarrassing. They are going for Frank Millers Batman, they are returning to the comics for the characters, blah, blah, blah... here is your Neo Nazi Joker now!
Leto look more like your standard Joker henchmen than Joker himself. A "damaged" tattoo on the forehead? It's so blunt, juvenile, and lazy I'm shocked that they would let the public see this. Ohhh he has a skull with a jester hat tattoo! My brother is right. This isn't how a badass looks. This is how somebody who thinks they are badass when they aren't looks. All the lazy self-referential art instead of the iconic clown makeup. The fucked up teeth is distracting too. You do know that the Joker is for Suicide Squad, not BvS right?
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The movie has Ben Affleck in it. No movie with Ben Affleck is good.
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isnt this also meant to set up for the justice league movies? kind of like the avengers but DC Batman if he was present during the MoS situation like in gotham and just observing, theres no way he would come out to an open fight before making sure that he knows how strong superman is, some of his traits, his personaility to an extent from what happened in MoS and the events between MoS and this movie (probaby just random heroic saving) and a near sure way of beating him
Alot of the comics mention that batman has always had this "plan" if superman ever did go rogue. I dont see batman actaully wanting to fight superman unless hes gone all injustice or mindcontrolled. If its just a dispute over "superman could go bad,lets take him out now" i dont think batman would take part in it I see him as being super calculating and well planned, thinking through decisions from the best point without emotional doubts or w/e.
Do we know some points of the story line? Lex is in it, wonderwomen is in it. Lex worrying about superman and trying to take him out beforehand or w/e seems pretty normal for him (just not batman imo) unless wonderwomen is invading using her super strength and people thinks its superman, thus sparking batman to be like well shit hes gone rouge take him out*(not even kill) now, but even that doesnt seem right (he would need actual confirmation of superman doing it, and possibly match it with what he thinks superman is as a person) a blur of wonderwomen mistaken as superman wouldnt be enough.
Im really curious to how they are gonna end up fighting each other
edit: theres no way i see batman getting jealous of superman saving the world...thats just feels so wrong
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On April 29 2015 08:22 Manit0u wrote: The movie has Ben Affleck in it. No movie with Ben Affleck is good. Good will hunting notwithstanding.
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On April 29 2015 09:51 ThomasjServo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2015 08:22 Manit0u wrote: The movie has Ben Affleck in it. No movie with Ben Affleck is good. Good will hunting notwithstanding.
And the one with the Iranian embassy and probably several more... But its just "cool" to hate him. He is for sure not a "GREAT" actor... But seriously, the amount of shit People throw at him is just unjustified.
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On April 29 2015 22:03 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2015 09:51 ThomasjServo wrote:On April 29 2015 08:22 Manit0u wrote: The movie has Ben Affleck in it. No movie with Ben Affleck is good. Good will hunting notwithstanding. And the one with the Iranian embassy and probably several more... But its just "cool" to hate him. He is for sure not a "GREAT" actor... But seriously, the amount of shit People throw at him is just unjustified. #blamegili.
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regarding the Superman cult that shows to look like to be some form of Police Swat team with Superman Logo. The only reference from the comics that I know that is close to it is in the Injustice Gods among Us comics where they are not a cult per se but superman played a part in selecting them and basically making them a powered police force.
I guess in this BvS, it is unlikely they will be a powered group. But maybe part of the half of the world that honestly believes that Superman is the way to world peace even if it means brute forcing their way to achieve it as they would clearly have the bigger stick.
With regards to why they could possibly clash/fight. I would say it takes hint at why they clashed to begin with in the Dark Knight Returns. Superman most likely is communicating with the government in some way shape or form through how they show it in MoS with the army guy. So maybe he tries to float a pact with the US government to help them with their woes and one of them is Batman who is a vigilante. Doing good, but still illegal in the eyes of the government. So Superman is sent to stop him. So Batman doesn't really go up to the plate to challenge Superman but rather Superman is on his turf and stopping him from being Batman. That's a maybe to me that is a possible way of dealing with it.
I am still not sure if they will make Batman go to Metropolis, but most likely just Bruce Wayne doing recon I guess and he goes back to Gotham (base) to try to develop counter measures should he need to clash with Superman.
As for the Joker, that is for Suicide Squad and not BvS as mentioned by others. I don't really know where they are going with it for Suicide Squad or even if that will spillover with just hints/bits & pieces on BvS but I would like to see where it goes. I can't really judge based on the photo.
My favorite Joker is still Hamill and basically how he played the Trickster in the Flash TV series is how it would look like to me if he did play the Joker in a live action movie or show.
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On April 29 2015 22:03 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2015 09:51 ThomasjServo wrote:On April 29 2015 08:22 Manit0u wrote: The movie has Ben Affleck in it. No movie with Ben Affleck is good. Good will hunting notwithstanding. And the one with the Iranian embassy and probably several more... But its just "cool" to hate him. He is for sure not a "GREAT" actor... But seriously, the amount of shit People throw at him is just unjustified.
Agreed, Affleck even brought Chris Terrio to write the screenplay. For those who don´t know, it´s the guy who won the Academy Award for Best Adapted Screenplay for Argo.
Of course these things don´t mean that the movie will be great or whatever, but it´s not like the people involved don´t know what they are doing. I have high hopes.
EDIT: looks like the Joker might not only be in the Suicide Squad, but also on Batman vs Superman.
+ Show Spoiler +Looks like there will be a scene where Batman is looking at the old Robin suit and has a flashback of the Joker killing him. Rumours even say that it´s the reason that the Joker is in jail/arkham and Batman "retired" from fighting crime (until Superman arrives).
I don´t really have the source right know, and it´s on portuguese, but I´m sure it´s not hard to find with a quick search.
ps: Ben Affleck was also seen on the set of Suicide Squad.
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On April 29 2015 04:55 On_Slaught wrote: It's astonishing how much they are fucking this up, and the movie is a year away. That Joker image is embarrassing. They are going for Frank Millers Batman, they are returning to the comics for the characters, blah, blah, blah... here is your Neo Nazi Joker now!
Leto look more like your standard Joker henchmen than Joker himself. A "damaged" tattoo on the forehead? It's so blunt, juvenile, and lazy I'm shocked that they would let the public see this. Ohhh he has a skull with a jester hat tattoo! My brother is right. This isn't how a badass looks. This is how somebody who thinks they are badass when they aren't looks. All the lazy self-referential art instead of the iconic clown makeup. The fucked up teeth is distracting too.
Guess what? No matter what kind of bullshit comic book nerd argument against the movie you come up with and your veiled threats of boycotting the movie 'cos it's not true enough to the comics, you're going to go see it just 'cos everyone else is. You're going to pay money for it. They're going to make millions of dollars and you're going to be $12 poorer. Who's the sucker now?
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You're sad? I'm happy to fap to this.
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