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wait the skinny guy is Lex
my interpretation of non-comics(I have only watched tv shows/film series) that I know from Lex is that he is an extremely calculated individual who wants to make sure that humanity is free of aliens/etc/whatever(so that we will never be supressed by one). Also he is uh, bald?.
That guy comes across as slightly mad, Jokerish or Riddlerish if you will.
Maybe i'm wrong but that is always the impression I got from Lex from all of the non-comic media I consumed.
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On December 03 2015 20:12 Kipsate wrote: wait the skinny guy is Lex
my interpretation of non-comics(I have only watched tv shows/film series) that I know from Lex is that he is an extremely calculated individual who wants to make sure that humanity is free of aliens/etc/whatever(so that we will never be supressed by one). Also he is uh, bald?.
That guy comes across as slightly mad, Jokerish or Riddlerish if you will.
Maybe i'm wrong but that is always the impression I got from Lex from all of the non-comic media I consumed. This is a younger a bit different version of Lex. I am sure he will lose his hair eventually.
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Looks like a big DC salad
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I never watched Man of Steel, but is there any reason + Show Spoiler +Lex would know Superman is from Krypton at this point? Did Supes make some giant announcement or something stupid like that? Or did Zod?
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On December 03 2015 21:40 TheTenthDoc wrote:I never watched Man of Steel, but is there any reason + Show Spoiler +Lex would know Superman is from Krypton at this point? Did Supes make some giant announcement or something stupid like that? Or did Zod? The details of Krypton no, as i dont think he knows about the plant but he does know that superman is an alien (aka no a mutated human or w/e)
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On December 03 2015 21:40 TheTenthDoc wrote:I never watched Man of Steel, but is there any reason + Show Spoiler +Lex would know Superman is from Krypton at this point? Did Supes make some giant announcement or something stupid like that? Or did Zod?
Interviewer: So you are from another planet? Does it have a name?
Superman: Yes. It was called Krypton, but it was destroyed in a natural disaster.
Interviewer: So you would be a Kryptonian?
Superman: No. I was just born on Krypton, but I am from Earth. This is my home.
Scene.
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I'm not saying anyone here is being harsh. Just from the comments I've read online. My point is, we're saturated with superhero movies. And this is Bats and Supes!!! They have to get this right! There is less forgiveness for WB/DC because they hold arguably the most recognized and loved comic heroes ever. Now they've brought in the Justice League and you saw how the animated series went. Add all the new comic relaunches and character changes, people are excited.
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On December 04 2015 00:30 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: I'm not saying anyone here is being harsh. Just from the comments I've read online. My point is, we're saturated with superhero movies. And this is Bats and Supes!!! They have to get this right! There is less forgiveness for WB/DC because they hold arguably the most recognized and loved comic heroes ever. Now they've brought in the Justice League and you saw how the animated series went. Add all the new comic relaunches and character changes, people are excited. I would say there is less forgiveness for DC not because of anytthing most recognizable (that is a nerd can of worms if there ever was one), relative to Marvel, but because DC has been so slow to make decent, entertaining films out of their flagship titles while Marvel can put out Antman and make money.
The last Superman movie was a bit of a womp, and now that Nolan is done with Batman and Snyder is back on board they need to make up the difference. Especially when what you have cooking is Two CW shows (which are fine for what they are, but not exactly giong to stand the test of time) against the whole Marvel Machine.
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On December 04 2015 00:53 ThomasjServo wrote:
The last Superman movie was a bit of a womp, and now that Nolan is done with Batman and Snyder is back on board they need to make up the difference. Especially when what you have cooking is Two CW shows (which are fine for what they are, but not exactly giong to stand the test of time) against the whole Marvel Machine. And those two CW shows are weaker than both Agents of Shield and Netflix two shows.
DC is the underdog on both big and small screens.
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On December 04 2015 01:02 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2015 00:53 ThomasjServo wrote:
The last Superman movie was a bit of a womp, and now that Nolan is done with Batman and Snyder is back on board they need to make up the difference. Especially when what you have cooking is Two CW shows (which are fine for what they are, but not exactly giong to stand the test of time) against the whole Marvel Machine. And those two CW shows are weaker than both Agents of Shield and Netflix two shows. DC is the underdog on both big and small screens. Ooo yeah, I forgot those and I watched Jessica Jones not two nights ago. Good point, Arrow and Flash are both kind of Superhero Soaps production wise. I watch the Flash for a bit of fun mid week, but it is difficult to take seriously some time. Not half the production of Daredevil and JJ.
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On December 04 2015 01:09 ThomasjServo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2015 01:02 -Archangel- wrote:On December 04 2015 00:53 ThomasjServo wrote:
The last Superman movie was a bit of a womp, and now that Nolan is done with Batman and Snyder is back on board they need to make up the difference. Especially when what you have cooking is Two CW shows (which are fine for what they are, but not exactly giong to stand the test of time) against the whole Marvel Machine. And those two CW shows are weaker than both Agents of Shield and Netflix two shows. DC is the underdog on both big and small screens. Ooo yeah, I forgot those and I watched Jessica Jones not two nights ago. Good point, Arrow and Flash are both kind of Superhero Soaps production wise. I watch the Flash for a bit of fun mid week, but it is difficult to take seriously some time. Not half the production of Daredevil and JJ. I think that is the a big thing there. They didn't give a large budget to those shows because they are probably worried about ratings. If they tank, then they aren't exactly screwed. If the shows gain in popularity (Supergirl, Flash, Arrow, Inhumans, etc), then they might increase the budget and go bigger.
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On December 04 2015 01:18 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2015 01:09 ThomasjServo wrote:On December 04 2015 01:02 -Archangel- wrote:On December 04 2015 00:53 ThomasjServo wrote:
The last Superman movie was a bit of a womp, and now that Nolan is done with Batman and Snyder is back on board they need to make up the difference. Especially when what you have cooking is Two CW shows (which are fine for what they are, but not exactly giong to stand the test of time) against the whole Marvel Machine. And those two CW shows are weaker than both Agents of Shield and Netflix two shows. DC is the underdog on both big and small screens. Ooo yeah, I forgot those and I watched Jessica Jones not two nights ago. Good point, Arrow and Flash are both kind of Superhero Soaps production wise. I watch the Flash for a bit of fun mid week, but it is difficult to take seriously some time. Not half the production of Daredevil and JJ. I think that is the a big thing there. They didn't give a large budget to those shows because they are probably worried about ratings. If they tank, then they aren't exactly screwed. If the shows gain in popularity (Supergirl, Flash, Arrow, Inhumans, etc), then they might increase the budget and go bigger.
While I was posting before I noticed something interesting about funding. Antman was made for 130 Million and made 180 million. Man of Steel cost 225 Million and made 290 million, The Avengers Age of Ultron was made for 250 Million, and made 450 million. I should note that this was all domestic in the US from what I can tell.
I'm speculating here, but if Marvel can put out an avengers film, for only 25 million more than DC is committing to one Superman Movie that doesn't make as much cash, there are some major organizational issues to overcome for DC to really start the wheels turning.
The CW is just cheap as a network at times, even their more popular shows like Supernatural, to this day have times where it is chintzy and that show has a religious following, not necessarily the biggest but dedicated.
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One of the main problems with DC seems confused as to why people like their characters. The Nolan Batman movies did well, but really only the Dark Knight was real show stopper that changed people’s opinions on Batman movies. Man of Steel is a weird mess of a movie that I liked, but OMG does it have flaws.
This movie looks like it has potential, but the latest trailer just tells me they have no confidence in the film itself. And they don’t seem to get that people like the Marvel movies because they are funny and uplifting. Not Grimdark blobs of brooding.
On the other hand if WW sets Superman and Bats straight and makes them stop being big babies, that could be pretty great.
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As I stated before, Marvel's characters are new to the big screen and to the average movie goer, they don't really know who they are. Batman and Superman are the main ones people ID with because of the animated series and the many different iterations of the characters. Marvel took a chance, cast spectacularly, and it worked for them. DC is throwing shit at the wall and hoping Snyder can make it stick. I'm not a fan of his by any means, but since he's the one in charge of the DCEU, I'm hoping he doesn't get it wrong and DC can get a good foot in the door. WB/DC isn't going to be funny and uplifting. It's characters aren't meant for that. Especially Batman. So they'll have to rely on WW, Flash, and GL to bring the humor. The trinity are serious characters.
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Only modern, grimdark Batman isn’t funny. Animated series Batman made jokes. Comic Batman made jokes and had wit. This new super serious Batman that just says things like “No, he won’t” and “That’s not going to happen” really needs to be put back on the shelf. Batman used to have a lot more dept in this emotional range than Grimdark brood and emo-moopyness. Even Superman is funny at times. He is basically super powers Captain America. They find humor for Captain America.
Its just shitty writing and lack of imagination for the character. Its why I am excited that Affleck is playing the role and working on the new movie for Bats. Affleck knows how to be funny in an action role and has real acting chops in both comedy and drama.
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Having wit and making the occasional joke is fine for Batman. I just assumed that you wanted a lot more comedy like Marvel when having two opposing styles could work if they get it right.
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It works great for Batman. This whole super serious all the fucking time Batman is the WORST. Even Alfred cracks jokes at Bruce and Bruce gives it back. There is a lot of humor and emotion to be found in Batman, like the line “I thought she was with you.” Superman and him banter about stuff and mock each other.
Sorry, rant off. I’ve been a fan of Batman since before the animated series and the recent direction of the movies and video games have doubled down on just one aspect of what made the character great. And a lot of that isn’t reflected in the comics.
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What I don't like, generally speaking, is the many different interpretations of Batman and others. How does a director or studio pick which one to base a movie off of? How can they translate it to the big screen? I hate Frank Miller's TDKR because he made Batman into a senile old man, the worst possible Robin ever, and Superman being an agent of the State. That's just...horrible. But Snyder felt that it needed to be put on the big screen (certain aspects). If they had translated the Arkham games and parts of Injustice, I would be happy. If they used some of the New 52 comics, I wouldn't have a problem. But Snyder is trying to convince us with his unorthodox casting that he is a master. He needs to learn from Nolan, Abrams, and Spielberg on how to craft a world that we can believe in and how not to go insane with CGI. Even Millar and Mad Max shows you can have a great film without any CGI.
Back to topic: I think Batman v Superman will give Civil War a run for its money when it falls.
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Batman and Superman are 70 year old characters. The versions people know today are not the only versions of those characters. There are a lot of different versions, takes and short stories about the characters. Read Arkham Asylum from 1989 if you want to see how far those stories can take the character.
And Dark Knight Returns is almost unreadable today, but at the time Batman had never seen seen like that. Same with Daredevil before him. That is where "grimdark" came from.
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I agree. And that's my point. Where do you start when you want to bring these two together? How do you "please" everyone? Read some comments on youtube or comic book sites. It's ridiculous the requests and demands they have.
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