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royalroadweed
United States8298 Posts
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Rookie6
Brazil583 Posts
On March 25 2016 22:29 Sentenal wrote: Since you said you have been a fan of the comics since you were a kid, how do you feel about Batman killing people? The universe on which they based Batman on is not the "main" DC universe, so it´s not far from his comic book counterpart. It doesn´t really bother me too much, it´s not the classic Batman, but it´s a valid take on the character. I can see why people didn´t understand though. What I did love about Batman is how he used the environment against his enemies, his gadgets and his overral fighting skills, which is not only what he does in the comics, but it´s also reminiscent of the Arkham gaming series. I think they really nailed him and it´s the best Batman I saw on the big screen. About Bruce Wayne, it´s more an aging Bruce, who is not the young playboy he once was and grew up bitter because of everything he saw and did in his past. I liked it, but I don´t think we can compare directly with Nolan´s version for exemple. I ended tallking a little too much, but Batman was actually the highlight of the movie for me. And there are rumours of a Batman trilogy with Aflleck also directing it and adapating the Red Hood arc, probably taking place before BvS, since the were a lot of hints in the movie about things that happened years before. The other highlight of the movie for me was (spoiler): + Show Spoiler + Flash showing up to Bruce and warning him | ||
Laurens
Belgium4459 Posts
And no, you can't figure this out from watching the movie itself | ||
Godwrath
Spain10091 Posts
The movie has very weird timing and the music sometimes is totally missplaced and annoying, even tho i enjoyed it, Certainly doesn't deserve the 33% RT is giving it. I would put it on a 7-8 for me. It certainly could get much better with a 4 hour long version withouth the cuts, that's for sure. If you expect an avengers like movie, you are in for dissappointment. But to be honest, i didn't like the avengers 2, so i am fine with it. | ||
kwizach
3658 Posts
On March 26 2016 02:14 Laurens wrote: Turns out the Lex Luthor in this movie is not actually Lex Luthor, but his son Alexander Luthor Jr. And no, you can't figure this out from watching the movie itself Technically you can, since the character mentions that it is his father who gave his name to the company (Lexcorp) | ||
royalroadweed
United States8298 Posts
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On March 26 2016 02:29 Godwrath wrote: Yeah, i haven't read many information about the movie, but it remembered me of the Frank Miller take on Batman, if only slightly. But it is the kind of Batman i do like, The movie has very weird timing and the music sometimes is totally missplaced and annoying, even tho i enjoyed it, Certainly doesn't deserve the 33% RT is giving it. I would put it on a 7-8 for me. It certainly could get much better with a 4 hour long version withouth the cuts, that's for sure. If you expect an avengers like movie, you are in for dissappointment. But to be honest, i didn't like the avengers 2, so i am fine with it. Keep in mind that from what I remember of RT scores, a 33% doesn't mean that the average reviewer thought it was a 3.3/10. It just means that 67% of reviewers thought it was less than 6/10. | ||
DarkPlasmaBall
United States42254 Posts
-It took a really long time for the movie to pick up. So much combining of storylines and talking and build up early on, and then not really that much fighting. -I like flashbacks, but do we really need to jump between like 5 different timelines nonstop? There must have been like 50 different switches. -Wonder Woman's existence in this movie was convenient but made no sense whatsoever. She even said that she left Earth a hundred years ago because humans sucked. -Good teasers to the Justice League during the movie, especially with the decrypted files. No teaser after the movie was disappointing though. -Neil deGrasse Tyson cameo was fucking awesome. -I thought the acting was good overall, and I especially liked Jesse Eisenberg's portrayal of Lex Luthor. I felt like the overall plot/ script wasn't remarkable though, and I'm really easy to please when it comes to movies. 5.5/10 imo, especially since this movie has the misfortune of being the next superhero movie right after Deadpool, which I loved. P.S.- I feel like Jeremy Irons is exactly what Robert Downey Jr. will look like in 15-20 years. | ||
DarkPlasmaBall
United States42254 Posts
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Zooper31
United States5710 Posts
Coming from someone whose read pretty much every Batman comic and is fairly knowledgeable with the DC universe. Watch the movie if you like Batman/ Superman, what else is there to say. | ||
zev318
Canada4305 Posts
he looks really annoyed, does he even blink once? | ||
JimmyJRaynor
Canada15582 Posts
1) Superman 2 2) Man of Steel 3) Superman The Movie 4) Superman Returns 5) Superman v. Batman 6) Superman 3 7) Superman 4 Superman v. Batman is not very good. It is definitely better than Superman 3 and Superman 4 though. | ||
Spicy_Curry
United States10573 Posts
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
Nice references tho. | ||
DonDomingo
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crappen
Norway1546 Posts
But I loved the atmosphere, it felt dark as the city. And Ben was enjoyable to watch as Batman, really hope he gets more acting as him. I liked the music also. | ||
17Sphynx17
580 Posts
Really loved the Bruce and Alfred dynamic, still don't see/feel the chemistry between Lois and Clark. The portrayal of Lex was jarring for me everytime he was on screen. But the psychotic schemer does fit the role they made for him in the story they were trying to tell I guess. So I can't really say it failed in that regard. Diana's portrayal was okay but it was more rigid when she was Wonder Woman so that was confusing to me as to why she had to "stiffen" up when she was in that part. Spoilers with some thoughts below: + Show Spoiler + If you dont want to be spoiled, this is the last warning. + Show Spoiler + 1. Bruce basically accepts killing as method in dealing with criminals. I'm not really hating on it, kind of accepting I guess if we treat it as "a reality" of a DC Universe/World. 2. Am I wrong but didn't Lex basically know not only Superman and WW's secret identity, but he also knew who Batman was since he planned his scheme for the BvS match by goading and planting seeds into Wayne Enterprises to get to Bruce. 3. Wayne Manor is in ruins, so does that accept the attack of Ra's al Ghul in Batman Begins in the Nolan-verse where Ras al Ghul burned it down? Does that mean that Bruce and Alfred are only staying in the souped up Batcave with accomodations built in basically? 4. Wonder Woman mentions she has fought beings not of this earth so I am just guessing that the Wonder Woman movie will have someone from Apokalips come to Earth and take part in World War 1. But where did she go when she left earth? If she is from this earth then, maybe even reveal the history that their lineage comes from the female krypotonian who crashed on earth the Man of Steel prequel comics. 5. Linking to the thought above, that is the only explanation I can make to justify how their current backstory allows for Dr Silas Stone to even have a Motherbox in his possession from the government. I don't get how Victor stone got to that state though if the Motherbox came from World War 1. 6. I wonder why they picked to call the final "boss" or suggest that it was doomsday when the lore would make him more closely resemble Bizarro rather than doomsday right? It also doesn't explain how a mixture of kryptonian and human genes allow for a being to grow stronger after taking damage. So does it now suggest that Clark and Lois can't make babies as they will create a doomsday baby everytime then? Instead of just a halfbreed. 7. The dream sequences don't make sense to me. How does Bruce even get them? Is it suggesting magic with Dr Fate? But Dr Fate is not part of the current JL lineup right? If Flash is causing it, it doesn't make sense in any lore right? 8. Going back to the possible future dream sequence, Superman mentions you could have saved her to the captured nightmare Batman, and Flash in the dream sequence mentions Lois as the key right? But the person Batman was supposed to save was Martha Kent so I don't follow. It clearly shows it was Martha that needed to be saved when the Russian threatened to kill Martha with a flamethrower and Batman replies with I know so he shifted where to shoot the gun to delay the flames from reaching Martha. 9. Superman's Pa Kent dream sequence didn't make sense to me. Why did it need to happen? Since they couldn't work in an internal monologue? Why not just have it with Martha Kent rather than that sequence to create the dialogue. 10.Why did the Flash in the dream sequence need armor on top of his suit? 11. The death of superman didn't make sense 90% to me. But in a way, since it was night when he died in Gotham which is always gloomy even in the day, then he doesn't get replenished with Solar rays to recharge his cells to heal him back up. But then that wouldnt explain how he would be able to regenerate from inside his now sealed casket? 12. Batman already kills so the ending where he chooses not to brand Lex doesn't make sense. So what now? We will get future Batman movies where he stops killing again after he has already killed criminals up to Dawn of Justice? And Lex isn't in a Gotham jail so his brand wouldn't have the same symbolism right? 13. Diana is not only loaded but also appears to have been updated with her own tech. So is she with her own team? Is she with a blackops government team? | ||
Rookie6
Brazil583 Posts
On March 27 2016 17:41 17Sphynx17 wrote: Just saw the movie. I'm going to give it around 7/10 and I still liked this movie a lot for what it is. Really loved the Bruce and Alfred dynamic, still don't see/feel the chemistry between Lois and Clark. The portrayal of Lex was jarring for me everytime he was on screen. But the psychotic schemer does fit the role they made for him in the story they were trying to tell I guess. So I can't really say it failed in that regard. Diana's portrayal was okay but it was more rigid when she was Wonder Woman so that was confusing to me as to why she had to "stiffen" up when she was in that part. Spoilers with some thoughts below: + Show Spoiler + If you dont want to be spoiled, this is the last warning. + Show Spoiler + 1. Bruce basically accepts killing as method in dealing with criminals. I'm not really hating on it, kind of accepting I guess if we treat it as "a reality" of a DC Universe/World. 2. Am I wrong but didn't Lex basically know not only Superman and WW's secret identity, but he also knew who Batman was since he planned his scheme for the BvS match by goading and planting seeds into Wayne Enterprises to get to Bruce. 3. Wayne Manor is in ruins, so does that accept the attack of Ra's al Ghul in Batman Begins in the Nolan-verse where Ras al Ghul burned it down? Does that mean that Bruce and Alfred are only staying in the souped up Batcave with accomodations built in basically? 4. Wonder Woman mentions she has fought beings not of this earth so I am just guessing that the Wonder Woman movie will have someone from Apokalips come to Earth and take part in World War 1. But where did she go when she left earth? If she is from this earth then, maybe even reveal the history that their lineage comes from the female krypotonian who crashed on earth the Man of Steel prequel comics. 5. Linking to the thought above, that is the only explanation I can make to justify how their current backstory allows for Dr Silas Stone to even have a Motherbox in his possession from the government. I don't get how Victor stone got to that state though if the Motherbox came from World War 1. 6. I wonder why they picked to call the final "boss" or suggest that it was doomsday when the lore would make him more closely resemble Bizarro rather than doomsday right? It also doesn't explain how a mixture of kryptonian and human genes allow for a being to grow stronger after taking damage. So does it now suggest that Clark and Lois can't make babies as they will create a doomsday baby everytime then? Instead of just a halfbreed. 7. The dream sequences don't make sense to me. How does Bruce even get them? Is it suggesting magic with Dr Fate? But Dr Fate is not part of the current JL lineup right? If Flash is causing it, it doesn't make sense in any lore right? 8. Going back to the possible future dream sequence, Superman mentions you could have saved her to the captured nightmare Batman, and Flash in the dream sequence mentions Lois as the key right? But the person Batman was supposed to save was Martha Kent so I don't follow. It clearly shows it was Martha that needed to be saved when the Russian threatened to kill Martha with a flamethrower and Batman replies with I know so he shifted where to shoot the gun to delay the flames from reaching Martha. 9. Superman's Pa Kent dream sequence didn't make sense to me. Why did it need to happen? Since they couldn't work in an internal monologue? Why not just have it with Martha Kent rather than that sequence to create the dialogue. 10.Why did the Flash in the dream sequence need armor on top of his suit? 11. The death of superman didn't make sense 90% to me. But in a way, since it was night when he died in Gotham which is always gloomy even in the day, then he doesn't get replenished with Solar rays to recharge his cells to heal him back up. But then that wouldnt explain how he would be able to regenerate from inside his now sealed casket? 12. Batman already kills so the ending where he chooses not to brand Lex doesn't make sense. So what now? We will get future Batman movies where he stops killing again after he has already killed criminals up to Dawn of Justice? And Lex isn't in a Gotham jail so his brand wouldn't have the same symbolism right? 13. Diana is not only loaded but also appears to have been updated with her own tech. So is she with her own team? Is she with a blackops government team? Trying to answer some of your points here. Some of them are just my opinion and interpretation, not facts of course. + Show Spoiler + 2 - You are right. 3 - Nolan´s universe is totally different from this one, they are not related. Wayne Manor is indeed destroyed, but probably because of things that happened in that particular universe. There are rumours of a new Batman trilogy with Affleck also as a director, probably taking place before this movie. In BvS we have some references about what we can see in these movies, one being Wayne Manor burned down, but we also see Robin´s suit, we have possibly a reference of the Red Hood in a conversation between Bruce and Alfred, the Joker is mentioned and there is a Batgirl scene that will be included in the Blu Ray version. 4 - The Wonder Woman version that they are going for is the one where she is the daughter of Zeus. So it´s fair to assume that she already fought beings from her world. I am actually really looking forward to have Ares on the big screen. 7 - Theories going around are saying that maybe Flash is sending them through time to warn Bruce. But it´s all theories so far... 8 - Actually, Flash´s encounter with Bruce didn´t really look as a dream to me, but I thought it was real. It´s a reference to the game Injustice. In this game, Lois is killed by Lex and Superman goes out on a killing spree, becoming the enemy. Flash could have come from a reality where this happened, so he went back in time and talked to Bruce, which worked as a reinforcement that Lex is the true villan and making it easier for Batman to start working with Superman against him, thus changing the future and making Flash´s appearance there an easter egg. It can also be from the future Justice League movie and have an impact on the plot, but we will have to wait and see (This scene was actually the highlight of the movie for me, had goosebumps all over me). 9 - Most random scene of the movie for me. It was like... "we have Kevin Costner here, so he has to make a cameo". 10 - It´s his suit from Injustice. I don´t really know if they will use it in the other movies, but if I am not mistaken it´s a form of making it easier to control the Speed Force. 11 - Don´t really have an explanation right now, but the movie took inspiration from 3 things: Injustice (video game), The Dark Knight Returns (comic book) and Death of Superman (comic book), so it could be just they saying "okay, we have Doomsday, so we have to kill Superman like in the comics". 12 - I thought that was more about Batman returning to his older self. After his fight with Clark, when realizing everything that was happening and his parents memories, he realizes that he had actually become what he spent his whole life fighting against, almost being the responsible for Clark´s mother death. Of course he stills kills Lex´s henchmen, but not an unarmed Luthor. | ||
b_unnies
3579 Posts
The justice league setup was really cool. However I felt some of the scenes were extremely confusing | ||
SatsuinoHado
Bulgaria777 Posts
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