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On March 29 2016 08:57 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2016 08:55 sandroba wrote:On March 29 2016 08:52 sicklucker wrote: like im trying to think of players that might have medic saved koshi? like maybe va does that make sense? like I dont fucking know I cant think of anyone nah nobody townie saved koshi. only other explanation is kurumi is mafia or kurumi was roleblocked. town cpr doc. I feel it in my bones it is a cpr doc. worst theory ever. if you are town why do you even think a cpr doc targeted you n1? why do you apparently agree it's absurd that a town doc would save you n1?
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On March 29 2016 09:01 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2016 08:57 Koshi wrote:On March 29 2016 08:55 sandroba wrote:On March 29 2016 08:52 sicklucker wrote: like im trying to think of players that might have medic saved koshi? like maybe va does that make sense? like I dont fucking know I cant think of anyone nah nobody townie saved koshi. only other explanation is kurumi is mafia or kurumi was roleblocked. town cpr doc. I feel it in my bones it is a cpr doc. worst theory ever. if you are town why do you even think a cpr doc targeted you n1? why do you apparently agree it's absurd that a town doc would save you n1? cpr could kill me?
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yes, but if you are town I'm not sure why you would think a townie would want to kill you. you are like admiting your play was scummy/suspicious d1.
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On March 28 2016 23:20 VayneAuthority wrote: alright I caught up on the thread im back. Really no reason to post a big post about 800+ posts so I will answer questions if there are any.
Specific things that triggered me -
1. voting yesterday. Was pretty dead tbh so trying to decide if that was possibly a town on town lynch or if it was just the holiday weekend.
2. I was thinking rels could be scum at some point then i started reading a bunch of posts of people i want nothing to do with thinking rels is scum which is weird. Potential separating maneuver? I do think Rels is a decent lynch still honestly his reads and paradigm of posting so far are meh.
3. Pretty sure Koshi is doing his play as bad as possible thing to stay alive. I would just assume whatever he says he means the opposite, would explain a lot of his posts/reads. No real point to respond to anything he says until its like day four.
4.This LS/rsoultin/etc circlejerk is still making me gag, please make it go away. Probably read like 20-25 posts reading through of them just sucking eachother off and saying that the other is town for zero reason and they dont want to lynch eachother. Exactly what the policy part of my vote was about.
my mafia atm - Rsoultin, Rels, Tictock, Alakaslam, ????
MELLOW
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I don't think I was worth a docsave. But maybe somebody wanted to kill me with the cpr doc. I think it is unlikely but it is possible. Unlike you people I know I wasn't mafia doc saved, so something happened.
And Kurumi faking a shot on me is really an out there strategy. Even if it would eventually work against me with a TT lynch.
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On March 29 2016 08:55 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2016 08:52 sicklucker wrote: like im trying to think of players that might have medic saved koshi? like maybe va does that make sense? like I dont fucking know I cant think of anyone nah nobody townie saved koshi. only other explanation is kurumi is mafia or kurumi was roleblocked.
option two is acualy probably pretty likely now that I think about it. Scary
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On March 29 2016 09:04 sandroba wrote: yes, but if you are town I'm not sure why you would think a townie would want to kill you. you are like admiting your play was scummy/suspicious d1. There were 5 people still on my wagon yesterday after the ones with +5 brain cells left. I don't think all of them are mafia. But they wanted to kill me.
Also, kurumi wanted to shoot me. So for sure 1 person thought I was mafia enough to be killed. Maybe that person is mafia himself. But it isn't out there that there was another guy wanting to kill me.
I would be really sad if town vigi and town cpr doc tried to kill me though.
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Maybe mafia actually read sandroba blue and just roleblocked him.
SUPER boring answer. But maybe most likely.
VA did you save me?
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On March 29 2016 09:04 Koshi wrote: I don't think I was worth a docsave. But maybe somebody wanted to kill me with the cpr doc. I think it is unlikely but it is possible. Unlike you people I know I wasn't mafia doc saved, so something happened.
And Kurumi faking a shot on me is really an out there strategy. Even if it would eventually work against me with a TT lynch.
why dont you think kuri was just roleblocked?
is that not like 100x more likely its troubled me you never even brought up this idea
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Ugh yeah VA is maybe mafia. He is being pretty spot on. That's how he gains trust as mafia.
But I want to believe he is my town buddy.
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On March 29 2016 09:08 Koshi wrote: Maybe mafia actually read sandroba blue and just roleblocked him.
SUPER boring answer. But maybe most likely.
VA did you save me?
there you go. you mean kura right?
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On March 29 2016 09:09 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2016 09:04 Koshi wrote: I don't think I was worth a docsave. But maybe somebody wanted to kill me with the cpr doc. I think it is unlikely but it is possible. Unlike you people I know I wasn't mafia doc saved, so something happened.
And Kurumi faking a shot on me is really an out there strategy. Even if it would eventually work against me with a TT lynch. why dont you think kuri was just roleblocked? is that not like 100x more likely its troubled me you never even brought up this idea Dnu if that makes me more mafia. If I am mafia Kurumi obviously isn't and then I would know about the rb. But yeah. I don't know why I disregarded that. I think because a lot of people were talking about a save and kurumi said he lost his bullet?
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On March 29 2016 09:10 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2016 09:08 Koshi wrote: Maybe mafia actually read sandroba blue and just roleblocked him.
SUPER boring answer. But maybe most likely.
VA did you save me? there you go. you mean kura right? ohyeah, meant kuru
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On March 29 2016 08:26 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2016 08:01 justanothertownie wrote: So in my mind it is basically confirmed that there is mafia between Kurumi and Koshi. Feel free to tell me if you think that's somehow wrong. it's probably wrong. unless Kurumi is actually brilliant and set this TT doc thing up. But I doubt that because Kurumi never wanted to see TT die I think. This is impossible. Ticktock CLEARLY set up a claim of saving you here:
On March 27 2016 20:00 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2016 07:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Day 1 Final Votecount
Tubesock (8): ObiWanShinobi, Kurumi, Vivax, Koshi, justanothertownie, Rels, LightningStrike, Damdred rsoultin (6): Superbia, VayneAuthority, ritoky, sandroba, Shapelog, sicklucker Kurumi (2): Tubesock, rsoultin Tumblewood: (0): Koshi ritoky (0): Koshi, rsoultin, Koshi Alakaslam (0): Koshi, Rels Damdred (0): sicklucker sandroba (0): Tubesock, Koshi
Not Voting (4): Stutters695, Tictock, Alakaslam, Tumblewood Day 1 ends in .
Finished reading up till EoD. This vote is really odd as a final count, both Rsoul and Tube voting Kuru and everyone piled on them... could be a TvT. I think one of Kuru or Rsoul is probably scum though. Reads at this point: VayneAuthority - Null - + Show Spoiler +Drops a half assed read on Rsoul #547, pretty much only thing he's firm about and leaves. Could be townie not giving a fuck or scum dropping a vote and outing. Kurumi - Scum lean - + Show Spoiler +#216 kinda an odd open, he really just rambles about a couple of different people in one post; Gum pointed out this interesting bit in #268; #305 alot more rambling and the conclusion that gum is for sure scum feels kinda over the top; #495 stopped reading after the "bollocks I was really wrong, I really was too harsh" reaction to gum flipping town; #870 kinda like this post, feels genuine... could prob come from scum though; #1008 actually like this response; #1071 really weak vote, opportunistic and rife with omgus;
WoT's feely rambling like they have no read drive/motivation behind them, reads seem kinda weak and opportunistic for how much he likes to write Stutters695 - Turns out was a blue... Damdred - mild scum lean - + Show Spoiler +#166 decent post, shows critical thought and is pushing for info; #300 decent reads, disagree about Vivax and LS though; #379 mimics Jat in making the "sensible statement here" also the snap defense of LS feels off even if he's townreading him; #1264 don't like this vote, #959 pile of garbage that boils down to "don't lynch me, I'm a good player!"; #1055 says he likes this post from Tube but in #1264 he plops his vote on Tube with no real explanation (actually never did find much about his Tube read rechecking his filter)
Weird vote on Tube, not explained and he had recently quoted a post he liked, a few townie posts but nothing I haven't seen Damdred do as scum before sandroba - town - + Show Spoiler +#966 felt same way about SL's gum vote; #967 weird he doesn't know gum got shot; all in all the thought dumb from #966 to 972 feels pretty towny;
Feels alot like sandroba from last game ObiWanShinobi - town lean - + Show Spoiler + #957 and #1000 seems like Obi is being fairly forward with his thoughts Koshi - town - + Show Spoiler +Easiest read in the game, I have posts noted for him but why bother... Rels - town lean - + Show Spoiler +#439-440 jumps in with stuff on his mind; #537 exactly my thought; #1280 I like this catch;
I read Rels by the way he pushes on people and things, as scum he tends to nitpick and will overpush little things, here he feels level headed and his pushes are more questioning than vindictive. I also doubt a scum!Rels would say I could be town for being afk. justanothertownie - town lean - + Show Spoiler +#348 feels like an odd open, the way he defends Rit while dismissing his plan suggests he has a strong town read on rit; #544 & # 557 are both solid posts from Jat, I like how he's applying critical thinking but not being quick to conclusions
Can't recall if I've actually played with JAT before so not sure what his scum range is, but he is probably town from the way he is processing things ritoky - slight scum lean - + Show Spoiler +The whole VT claim, fishing, w/e thing seems off to me. It's not so much that Rit played it so poorly, but that he put so much focus on it. I found one LS read from him early on I liked, #285, but otherwise his first page (actually a large part) of filter is all about his brilliant play. #816 also shows that Rit knew there was a chance his play might never even work (he knows that Scum QT's are often provided with fake claim info). #827 claims to give no fucks, but 832 keeps defending his plan and telling people it was good seems like he gives several fucks. It's like Rit knows his plan didn't work, played it bad, but is really concerned that people know it was done with pure intentions. I'm just not feeling like Rit's actions match what he claims he was doing here.
#798 is a pretty weak read on Super imo, I wouldn't put that past a scum!super at all.
Posts like #404 is more what I'd expect from town!Rit, simple to the point reads. sicklucker - Town lean - + Show Spoiler +#162 feels like a bit of a hop on vote;
So not much really stood out to me from SL, but he's not giving a shit how he comes off to people and I can see the reasoning behind his pushes pretty clearly. Hard to explain but he feels town Alakaslam - Scum - + Show Spoiler +I really disliked Slams reactions after his shot went off, he pushes blame off on others, some of his explanation on the shot seems convoluted, and he basically fucked off after defending himself. I'm not seeing anything he's done to contribute to this game.
#137 right off the bat this feels odd, it's quite clear what koshi is doing with that (reffering to his list postings); #363 says he would have shot Rsoul; #409 now suggests he's rethinking and must sleep on it?; #655 says everyone being butthurt makes him not want to cooperate, but everything he's done has been acting on his own thus far... Slam hasn't even given reads; #678 says he considered shooting Kuru or Gum, went with gum kus of bad meta useage (as in gum was sorta scum reading slam); #844 says he was agreeing with Kuru and shot Gum, then suggests he's mad he's getting the blame; #1140 the timeline in this is wrong, Slam says he thought about retracting the shot before bed, woke up thinking about it, then remembered his original reason for scum reading gum... how did he forget why he wanted to shoot gum in all the "thinking" time he had?
It's really weird how Slam says he was both considering shooting Kuru but agreeing with him on gum at the same time. He also never mentions his thought about shooting Rsoul after the shot goes off, there is too much not making sense to me here, besides the fact that slam shot a fairly active person so early with so little thought given Tumblewood - Null/slight town lean - + Show Spoiler +#278 tumble's open, it adds nothing and look terrible... probably town; #286 another post that does little to impact the game, fits with town meta
#329 feels like Tumble is setting up blame for a town flip from gum rather than looking for voting modivations; #670 really doesn't make sense, especially why he is SURE slam is town here
I'd prob put Tumble down as town for meta, but that's not a great town read Shapelog - Null - + Show Spoiler +#181 post mirrors my thinking; #187 reads seem weird, not sure why he's TRing slam; #283 I dont get this post, it's a wierd response to LS; #623 feels really wishywashy to me, like he's really avoiding coming to conclusions; #711 this focus on VA seems odd when there are multiple people, like myself, who are not really playing, shape himself has pointed us out #716 maybe just a little too eager to please & respond?
Shape's overall tone and attitude gives me a town feel, but his reads feel a little off to me and he's being kinda wishywashy while focusing on weird things.
Vivax - Town - + Show Spoiler +I like this style of play from vivax, it screams town to me.
#262 I like this "fuck off let me do my thing" attitude coupled with promising to behave, plus I like his points; #324 huge stream of thought type post, unlikely from mafia; #634 yea, never lynch vivax rsoultin - Scum lean - + Show Spoiler +#327 open post that tries to talk about a ton, but says nothing; #331 is a bad post, it says nothing while implying people are scum, it's also a surface reaction which shows no effort in reading tumble; #1017 this tunnel on Rit feels a little forced, even though I agree he's sus; #1019 these "I'm not the lynch" style posts feel so blah to me, #1117 weird vote given how focused she's been on Rit, also unsure where this read on Kuru comes from
kinda like #353 and #358 is the sorta attitude you get from a town not giving a fuck
While I have a similar suspiscion of Rit, Rsoul doesn't seem to be willing to look at Rit possibly being town while asking others to do the same for herself. Combined with her sudden burst of activity when she was being voted on, and her odd vote while semi-giving up pushing Rit, I'm having a hard time seeing Rsoul as town. LightningStrike - scum lean - + Show Spoiler +#172-173 kinda odd how defensive of Slam he is being, especially give gum wasn't really pushing slam; #196 Promising to check things and taking a lot of middle of the road stances; #277 omgus feels out of place, #279 he is over-defensive over something simple; #534 feels a little opportunistic, #891 really good non-answer... ;
I know LS has something of a reputation of being lynchbait, but I'm not getting much from him that suggests he's trying to solve the game here. I only recall him posting some town and null reads, never got the sense that he has scum reads Superbia - Town - + Show Spoiler +#135 half joking/half down to buisness; #174 not sure where this TR on slam comes from; #192 good points, also adds to my own thoughts about #187; #242 strong post, gives me strong town feels; #501 - 505 love this train of thought breaking down the gum wagon
Attitutde & tone feels town, paranoid about people town reading him, probably has done the most to try to sovle the game Kurumi did not claim his shot until 16 minutes later:
On March 27 2016 20:26 Kurumi wrote: I shot Koshi and he is still alive, any takers? Sorry I have not posted since the last post, I had to get it posted and then rush to another place, since family time! So if Kurumi is town there is 0 way for Ticktock to know you were shot.
It is CONFIRMED that one of you and Kurumi is mafia. Since you are actually playing now maybe it is Kurumi. But one of you is scum 100 %.
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Ohwell. Sleep time.
Mafia needs to kill confirmed townies from now on. So sadly people like JAT have a reason to not die. Maybe he will get better later though. Good news is that we will see how much kp there is tonight.
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On March 29 2016 00:27 Damdred wrote: I built a case on Rels but before I submitted it I exit'd out and not sure if I believe it myself heres what I have and the thread can spit ball with me and see if I have anything worthwhile.
1) Rels is super different than normal, hes not involved in a lot of whats going on in the game. His activity is way down, his questioning and pressing people is a lot less than normal and hes not scum hunting almost at all. 2) His tone is way off, look at his eod post for d1. He was wrong he just says fuck and then fucks off it feels super contrived and fake to me. Usually rels when something like that is in the thread pressing people and coming up with reasonings and actually trying to proactivly help town but hes not doing that so much. Look at his post yesterday, he seems so upset that we lost a lynch bait player to him assuming a vig shot but shouldn't he be happy that we blocked both scum kp and almost gained a ml from it? 3) His questioning Ritoky really didn't lead anywhere, it seemed like it was his strongest read in the whole game the wagons were still super early when he came back he didn't press ritoky any more or even push his lynch. He decided to settle on what I consider for him to be a weaker read in tubesock he paints ritoky as his top scum read for most of his filter and focuses on him but quickly forgets it and goes with a easier wagon if you would. 4) His townreads on tumble is strange, and his townread on kurm is strange at the point as well. He barely has any active scum reads and doesn't seem to be hunting at all this game.
Its really strange and I think hes scum but maybe i'm making more out of it. Any ideas or things i'm wrong on is appreciated. 1. Scumhunting is the only thing I'm doing this game so this is wrong. I am super inactive though. 2. OK. Don't know what to respond to that. Fuck you and I don't know there are two KPs and that we blocked them. 3. I still to want to lynch ritoky. I didn't forget about him but he wasn't the lynch and tubesock was super scummy. 4. No they are not. Explain why they strange ?
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The 2 posts happening this close to each other actually supports a Kurumi/Ticktock world.
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JAT, how did he set up a docsave on me? He just says I am 100% town? Which was a brilliant read of him!
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I dont see how TT set up anything maybe im dumb but there is alot of text
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On March 29 2016 09:08 Koshi wrote: Maybe mafia actually read sandroba blue and just roleblocked him.
SUPER boring answer. But maybe most likely.
VA did you save me? So VA was the [name removed] guy ?
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