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On April 23 2016 06:12 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2016 06:08 gumshoe wrote: I held off on saying this as well for a bit, but it bears notice that jas isn't really pushing onegu over tumble even though onegu is the easier target and he gets auto traction from me on 1gu.
There are two reasons I see for this
1: he's town and genuinely thinks tumble is the better lynch.
2: he's scum with 1gu and doesn't wanna drag him down with him.
Ether way, that makes 1gu the better lynch, as I feel that if the above cases aren't true there's no reason not to just be jamming his vote down 1gus throat Your reason for voting me is I am onegu... You made a bunch of shit meta reads that dont work and you are calling me scum for them and have waffled so damn hard on them. I want this guy to be scum so damn hard.
Feelings mutual, difference is im as easy to read as they come, your the total opposite / : and you take pride in that all while bieng totally wrong and useless.
You are playing vanilla mafia 2.0 and there is no reason not to lynch you for it besides your mythic level mystique of badness.
And you have the gall to be mad, hah.
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A Shapelog Case/ last testomany.
Gentleman, ladies.
As we all know (or at least know) I have either A) been sus. of tumble from the geeko or B) argue a bit for his townieness. I've been flip flopy A bit and I know. So, I will basically give you my most updated read on tumble.
In this case, I shall be proving to you that the defendant, tumblewood, is indeed mafia (mostly likely). I shall start with what convinced me he is scum. This will not be a damm narrative (winks as Rels) this time either, as most of my town cases end up being.
Alright, the post that pushed me over the edge:
On April 23 2016 03:44 Tumblewood wrote: Hola compadres, I apologize for my absence. It seems like the plan is to lynch Shape and then me. Fortunately we have a mislynch, but that means bringing Onegu to LyLo (bar a doc save) and if Rels is scum-- still not ruled out-- we lose. So I advise that you don't lynch me and instead go for Onegu or Rels. I'd recommend ignoring everything Shape says today because his words are laced with wine. I kinda already have spew over this. So I just going to restate the facts a bit more.
Tumble comes in, almost what? 20+ hours since his last post, and posts this. Ok, the timing doesn't mean much. The content of the post however is the major fault.
The first glaring prob. is that he is auguring to defend himself, even before I fucking flip. And already trying to push someone else instead of him. This isn't even tumble's normal "post to sruvuvie" kinda post, and usually those posts are on the day he is getting lynched. Moreover, the fact he is already paranoid about dieing tomorrow makes no sense IMO from a townie mindset.
The next thing is the people he wants to lynch instead of him Rels, and Onegu. Alright, Rels I can understand from read progression (kinda) although, Tumble hasn't really explained anything about why he wants to lynch Rels since he revised his reads other than this:
Really, the scummiest thing Rels has done wasn't voting me D1 but dropping/ignoring the case later. Which honestly really isn't enough IMO for a lynch but w.e I am not tumble.
Onegu on the other hand was TR by Tumble. Explanation:
On April 21 2016 03:07 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2016 03:04 justanothertownie wrote: Can you explain why you are townreading Onegu? You don't claim your scum partner scumslipped and confirmed someone else as town (and keep telling everyone to make sure they all know) when clearly no one else saw it as that. It's counterproductive as scum and really useful as town (at least to the townie). And no other changes has happen to that read that I or anyone knows of. This also shouldn't make Onegu one of his prefer lynches. I have a theory on why this is the case.
He reads the thread, sees that people are sus. of onegu for mutilate reasons, and even steals the "taking Onegu to Lylo" part of multiple peoples reads on Onegu. Dispate, only playing with Onegu before hand in XIX AND basically calling Onegu a high town read.
So the targets (mostly Onegu) don't even line the fuck up with how tumble is seeing the game.
Why I was sus. of him earlier (D1)
I was sus. of tumble D1 due to how he was playing, it didn't feel like the tumble I know. Hence why I voted for him. When I later brings this up (I went back to that discussion) Tumble says I can't use meta, for either side of the coin. I made a rebutlte (If I can't, you can't use XIX for meta, yet you have in the past), yet he does not respond ever again. I didn't noticed this actually until now. And at that time I remember me being in his town pool.
Also, people (rels) showed me also how his stance wasn't as strong as I thought. Won't really do into this as this was Rels point and not mine.
He still hasn't gave us anything as of late (and spent most of his time he back either down talking me) about expanding those "Man, I only got 1 scum and 6 town reads" revises outside of Rels, which is pretty shallow to say the least.
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On April 23 2016 05:42 gumshoe wrote: Fuck it, strategically onegu is today's best lynch. Jas may very well be getting bussed now. But I doubt that was the case at the games start, that doesn't apply to onegu. We need to know what he is now while we can still afford the hit.
## unvote
##vote onegu
Y'all can vote what you want, im staying on this guy. OMFG gumshoe just fucking answer the damm question about the situation.
I've even wrote about Onegu and what I thought of his alignment D2. If I can do, you can.
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On April 23 2016 06:16 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2016 06:12 Onegu wrote:On April 23 2016 06:08 gumshoe wrote: I held off on saying this as well for a bit, but it bears notice that jas isn't really pushing onegu over tumble even though onegu is the easier target and he gets auto traction from me on 1gu.
There are two reasons I see for this
1: he's town and genuinely thinks tumble is the better lynch.
2: he's scum with 1gu and doesn't wanna drag him down with him.
Ether way, that makes 1gu the better lynch, as I feel that if the above cases aren't true there's no reason not to just be jamming his vote down 1gus throat Your reason for voting me is I am onegu... You made a bunch of shit meta reads that dont work and you are calling me scum for them and have waffled so damn hard on them. I want this guy to be scum so damn hard. Feelings mutual, difference is im as easy to read as they come, your the total opposite / : and you take pride in that all while bieng totally wrong and useless. You are playing vanilla mafia 2.0 and there is no reason not to lynch you for it besides your mythic level mystique of badness. And you have the gall to be mad, hah.
You try to meta read me all god damn game when you say yourself say it cant be done... And now instead of actually going into my filter and say oh look at this you dont even try to build a case. And now you call me bad but then say it is easy to read you? What does that say about you?
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On April 23 2016 06:20 JustAnotherScummer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2016 05:42 gumshoe wrote: Fuck it, strategically onegu is today's best lynch. Jas may very well be getting bussed now. But I doubt that was the case at the games start, that doesn't apply to onegu. We need to know what he is now while we can still afford the hit.
## unvote
##vote onegu
Y'all can vote what you want, im staying on this guy. OMFG gumshoe just fucking answer the damm question about the situation. I've even wrote about Onegu and what I thought of his alignment D2. If I can do, you can.
Thats the point he cant. He made shit up all game about meta, and now just wants to lynch me because I am onegu. That is scummy as fuck, He is trying to be fucking spammy and break his meta.
People please reread him he is making up so much shit to fit his own narrative.
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On April 23 2016 06:19 JustAnotherScummer wrote:A Shapelog Case/ last testomany.
Gentleman, ladies. As we all know (or at least know) I have either A) been sus. of tumble from the geeko or B) argue a bit for his townieness. I've been flip flopy A bit and I know. So, I will basically give you my most updated read on tumble. In this case, I shall be proving to you that the defendant, tumblewood, is indeed mafia (mostly likely). I shall start with what convinced me he is scum. This will not be a damm narrative (winks as Rels) this time either, as most of my town cases end up being.
Alright, the post that pushed me over the edge: Show nested quote +On April 23 2016 03:44 Tumblewood wrote: Hola compadres, I apologize for my absence. It seems like the plan is to lynch Shape and then me. Fortunately we have a mislynch, but that means bringing Onegu to LyLo (bar a doc save) and if Rels is scum-- still not ruled out-- we lose. So I advise that you don't lynch me and instead go for Onegu or Rels. I'd recommend ignoring everything Shape says today because his words are laced with wine. I kinda already have spew over this. So I just going to restate the facts a bit more. Tumble comes in, almost what? 20+ hours since his last post, and posts this. Ok, the timing doesn't mean much. The content of the post however is the major fault. The first glaring prob. is that he is auguring to defend himself, even before I fucking flip. And already trying to push someone else instead of him. This isn't even tumble's normal "post to sruvuvie" kinda post, and usually those posts are on the day he is getting lynched. Moreover, the fact he is already paranoid about dieing tomorrow makes no sense IMO from a townie mindset. The next thing is the people he wants to lynch instead of him Rels, and Onegu. Alright, Rels I can understand from read progression (kinda) although, Tumble hasn't really explained anything about why he wants to lynch Rels since he revised his reads other than this: Show nested quote +Really, the scummiest thing Rels has done wasn't voting me D1 but dropping/ignoring the case later. Which honestly really isn't enough IMO for a lynch but w.e I am not tumble. Onegu on the other hand was TR by Tumble. Explanation: Show nested quote +On April 21 2016 03:07 Tumblewood wrote:On April 21 2016 03:04 justanothertownie wrote: Can you explain why you are townreading Onegu? You don't claim your scum partner scumslipped and confirmed someone else as town (and keep telling everyone to make sure they all know) when clearly no one else saw it as that. It's counterproductive as scum and really useful as town (at least to the townie). And no other changes has happen to that read that I or anyone knows of. This also shouldn't make Onegu one of his prefer lynches. I have a theory on why this is the case. He reads the thread, sees that people are sus. of onegu for mutilate reasons, and even steals the "taking Onegu to Lylo" part of multiple peoples reads on Onegu. Dispate, only playing with Onegu before hand in XIX AND basically calling Onegu a high town read. So the targets (mostly Onegu) don't even line the fuck up with how tumble is seeing the game. Why I was sus. of him earlier (D1)I was sus. of tumble D1 due to how he was playing, it didn't feel like the tumble I know. Hence why I voted for him. When I later brings this up (I went back to that discussion) Tumble says I can't use meta, for either side of the coin. I made a rebutlte (If I can't, you can't use XIX for meta, yet you have in the past), yet he does not respond ever again. I didn't noticed this actually until now. And at that time I remember me being in his town pool. Also, people (rels) showed me also how his stance wasn't as strong as I thought. Won't really do into this as this was Rels point and not mine.
He still hasn't gave us anything as of late (and spent most of his time he back either down talking me) about expanding those "Man, I only got 1 scum and 6 town reads" revises outside of Rels, which is pretty shallow to say the least. Can you explain why it didn't feel like the tumble you know day1?
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On April 23 2016 06:04 Tumblewood wrote: re:jat shape doesn't push anyone this game. or defend anyone. he has townreads and scumreads but never does anything with them. he is in a permanent state of catching up. he asks questions and does jack-all with the answers, usually just says "explain" and doesn't respond once someone gives an answer. his filter is devoid of stances outside of grand read posts. therefore, scum
True, although I have fence sit as town before, and actually push people as scum before. The rest is kinda meh, Yeah I am catching up a lot. Now I am not. I also just fling myself randomly switching between pages and filters as well. What? Ok, i can maybe understand the jack all answer part, But I don't (at least IMO, which is bia's) have been just going explain. I am making you explain the reads behind the people you want to lynch if I die here BECAUSE YOU WANT TO LYNCH THEM INSTEAD OF YOU.
So please, for the love of fucking god just fucking answer my damm question.
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On April 23 2016 06:21 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2016 06:16 gumshoe wrote:On April 23 2016 06:12 Onegu wrote:On April 23 2016 06:08 gumshoe wrote: I held off on saying this as well for a bit, but it bears notice that jas isn't really pushing onegu over tumble even though onegu is the easier target and he gets auto traction from me on 1gu.
There are two reasons I see for this
1: he's town and genuinely thinks tumble is the better lynch.
2: he's scum with 1gu and doesn't wanna drag him down with him.
Ether way, that makes 1gu the better lynch, as I feel that if the above cases aren't true there's no reason not to just be jamming his vote down 1gus throat Your reason for voting me is I am onegu... You made a bunch of shit meta reads that dont work and you are calling me scum for them and have waffled so damn hard on them. I want this guy to be scum so damn hard. Feelings mutual, difference is im as easy to read as they come, your the total opposite / : and you take pride in that all while bieng totally wrong and useless. You are playing vanilla mafia 2.0 and there is no reason not to lynch you for it besides your mythic level mystique of badness. And you have the gall to be mad, hah. You try to meta read me all god damn game when you say yourself say it cant be done... And now instead of actually going into my filter and say oh look at this you dont even try to build a case. And now you call me bad but then say it is easy to read you? What does that say about you?
I've never claimed to be good at anything other than nk and sometimes vote analysis. I'm not even that good at that honestly, but at least I'm not delusional about it.
Also the meta case is meant to prove that when you play awful your not guaranteed to be town,
Your stupid reads on me and rsoul your day 1 vote waste, you not giving your eon reads until after shot, this is all scummy terrible play. The meta read is just to show that you bieng terrible is not beholden to your town alignment, therefore we should disregard your meta and kill you for bieng scummy as fuck.
It's funny , I.actually made the opposite of a meta case now that I think about XD
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On April 23 2016 06:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote: :| How about you tell us what to do today? :D
On April 16 2016 13:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Also, since everyone is just going to lurk and do whatever then I hereby nominate myself town leader and godking of the universe.
You are free to fail to contest my title at any time.
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Since obviously noone dares to contest your title.
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On April 23 2016 06:28 justanothertownie wrote:How about you tell us what to do today? :D Show nested quote +On April 16 2016 13:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Also, since everyone is just going to lurk and do whatever then I hereby nominate myself town leader and godking of the universe.
You are free to fail to contest my title at any time.
Lmao. I'd say so if I had a clue.
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On April 23 2016 06:29 justanothertownie wrote: Since obviously noone dares to contest your title.
Much sassy.
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On April 23 2016 06:26 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2016 06:19 JustAnotherScummer wrote:A Shapelog Case/ last testomany.
Gentleman, ladies. As we all know (or at least know) I have either A) been sus. of tumble from the geeko or B) argue a bit for his townieness. I've been flip flopy A bit and I know. So, I will basically give you my most updated read on tumble. In this case, I shall be proving to you that the defendant, tumblewood, is indeed mafia (mostly likely). I shall start with what convinced me he is scum. This will not be a damm narrative (winks as Rels) this time either, as most of my town cases end up being.
Alright, the post that pushed me over the edge: On April 23 2016 03:44 Tumblewood wrote: Hola compadres, I apologize for my absence. It seems like the plan is to lynch Shape and then me. Fortunately we have a mislynch, but that means bringing Onegu to LyLo (bar a doc save) and if Rels is scum-- still not ruled out-- we lose. So I advise that you don't lynch me and instead go for Onegu or Rels. I'd recommend ignoring everything Shape says today because his words are laced with wine. I kinda already have spew over this. So I just going to restate the facts a bit more. Tumble comes in, almost what? 20+ hours since his last post, and posts this. Ok, the timing doesn't mean much. The content of the post however is the major fault. The first glaring prob. is that he is auguring to defend himself, even before I fucking flip. And already trying to push someone else instead of him. This isn't even tumble's normal "post to sruvuvie" kinda post, and usually those posts are on the day he is getting lynched. Moreover, the fact he is already paranoid about dieing tomorrow makes no sense IMO from a townie mindset. The next thing is the people he wants to lynch instead of him Rels, and Onegu. Alright, Rels I can understand from read progression (kinda) although, Tumble hasn't really explained anything about why he wants to lynch Rels since he revised his reads other than this: Really, the scummiest thing Rels has done wasn't voting me D1 but dropping/ignoring the case later. Which honestly really isn't enough IMO for a lynch but w.e I am not tumble. Onegu on the other hand was TR by Tumble. Explanation: On April 21 2016 03:07 Tumblewood wrote:On April 21 2016 03:04 justanothertownie wrote: Can you explain why you are townreading Onegu? You don't claim your scum partner scumslipped and confirmed someone else as town (and keep telling everyone to make sure they all know) when clearly no one else saw it as that. It's counterproductive as scum and really useful as town (at least to the townie). And no other changes has happen to that read that I or anyone knows of. This also shouldn't make Onegu one of his prefer lynches. I have a theory on why this is the case. He reads the thread, sees that people are sus. of onegu for mutilate reasons, and even steals the "taking Onegu to Lylo" part of multiple peoples reads on Onegu. Dispate, only playing with Onegu before hand in XIX AND basically calling Onegu a high town read. So the targets (mostly Onegu) don't even line the fuck up with how tumble is seeing the game. Why I was sus. of him earlier (D1)I was sus. of tumble D1 due to how he was playing, it didn't feel like the tumble I know. Hence why I voted for him. When I later brings this up (I went back to that discussion) Tumble says I can't use meta, for either side of the coin. I made a rebutlte (If I can't, you can't use XIX for meta, yet you have in the past), yet he does not respond ever again. I didn't noticed this actually until now. And at that time I remember me being in his town pool. Also, people (rels) showed me also how his stance wasn't as strong as I thought. Won't really do into this as this was Rels point and not mine.
He still hasn't gave us anything as of late (and spent most of his time he back either down talking me) about expanding those "Man, I only got 1 scum and 6 town reads" revises outside of Rels, which is pretty shallow to say the least. Can you explain why it didn't feel like the tumble you know day1? This post outlines it:
On April 18 2016 06:33 JustAnotherScummer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2016 06:59 justanothertownie wrote: Wtf where is this tumble vote from shaoe coming from? Meta, Sorry i couldn't explain (I had to blast) but I can now. As someone who has played scum with him, against him, and as town buddies, I kinda starting to understand Tumble. I was actually planning on coming forth with my identity (because I am the only one who would have that experience) earlier, but RL was a bitch. Basically, Let me give you a quick synopsis of how he plays. Tumble usually is a low content poster, who most of the time, respond with questions or makes a statement. His filter, as town, is usually low in fluff, and if it has fluff, it usually is still paired with content of some degree (his noir theme posts for example.) He also is pretty "cocky" if that is the word. Kinda smart ass too at times. rarely he will enter humor posts as town, and more so as scum (IIRC, he did this is ikido in the first scum game.) And he usually always votes for survival too, like always. Which he really should of here, considering the person was a scum read of his before the wagons got close. usually he goes "Alright, I am survival voting X." Even if it is a meh read of his. Again, the only time I never seen him do it is when he is scum (though, this point really should be taken with a bit of salt about the scum thing, as he and I did it for a distance play) I am just not getting the usual towny vibes i get from him when I am town and he is as well. Though i did click on his filter, and he has a 5 page filter, which i think is more than he had day 4 of any game lol.
Not Survival voting (reason why I even said I was Shape) Tone things Posting pattern Overall vibes tbh.
Another fun fact:
On April 16 2016 10:26 Tumblewood wrote: Oh Onegu is one of those people who prefers talking about how great they are to playing the game Yeah I'm not reading him until he actually has content So now tumble you are going to answer the content part of this question I am asking you too.
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Like, the main thing that bugs me about the onegu/gumshoe fight is that gumshoe has spewed garbage almost all game and is widely townread for it. Onegu is right but does that really make gumshoe scum?
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On April 23 2016 06:26 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2016 06:21 Onegu wrote:On April 23 2016 06:16 gumshoe wrote:On April 23 2016 06:12 Onegu wrote:On April 23 2016 06:08 gumshoe wrote: I held off on saying this as well for a bit, but it bears notice that jas isn't really pushing onegu over tumble even though onegu is the easier target and he gets auto traction from me on 1gu.
There are two reasons I see for this
1: he's town and genuinely thinks tumble is the better lynch.
2: he's scum with 1gu and doesn't wanna drag him down with him.
Ether way, that makes 1gu the better lynch, as I feel that if the above cases aren't true there's no reason not to just be jamming his vote down 1gus throat Your reason for voting me is I am onegu... You made a bunch of shit meta reads that dont work and you are calling me scum for them and have waffled so damn hard on them. I want this guy to be scum so damn hard. Feelings mutual, difference is im as easy to read as they come, your the total opposite / : and you take pride in that all while bieng totally wrong and useless. You are playing vanilla mafia 2.0 and there is no reason not to lynch you for it besides your mythic level mystique of badness. And you have the gall to be mad, hah. You try to meta read me all god damn game when you say yourself say it cant be done... And now instead of actually going into my filter and say oh look at this you dont even try to build a case. And now you call me bad but then say it is easy to read you? What does that say about you? I've never claimed to be good at anything other than nk and sometimes vote analysis. I'm not even that good at that honestly, but at least I'm not delusional about it. Also the meta case is meant to prove that when you play awful your not guaranteed to be town, Your stupid reads on me and rsoul your day 1 vote waste, you not giving your eon reads until after shot, this is all scummy terrible play. The meta read is just to show that you bieng terrible is not beholden to your town alignment, therefore we should disregard your meta and kill you for bieng scummy as fuck. It's funny , I.actually made the opposite of a meta case now that I think about XD
How are my reads on you stupid. You are making shit up to fit your own narrative. Your read on me has waffled so damn much and then you want to lynch me in lylo -1. There were multiple people who wanted to lynch me day 1 for being me, why didnt you do it then?
And really your only reason for scum reading me is my day one vote? I wasnt the only person scum reading her then or do you forget that Palmar wanted her lynched also and then I wasnt even around at deadline.
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!Onegu is only playing the game right now because he might die.
If he was town, he would at least have one more vote on him.
There's no fucking way jas flips scum here with the way this lynch is going.
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On April 23 2016 06:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Like, the main thing that bugs me about the onegu/gumshoe fight is that gumshoe has spewed garbage almost all game and is widely townread for it. Onegu is right but does that really make gumshoe scum?
Fuck me thank god Im not the only one who is starting to see it.
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Just for yall,
Going to sum up my play this game with a gif:
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On April 19 2016 09:06 JustAnotherScummer wrote:These are my current reads, Not done. Finsh in morning. Comment as necessary. Might of missed X or w/e Rels- Activity doesn’t bother me about him. ObiWanShinobi Tumblewood - Scum (Super flip might change this) He is spewing even more crazyiness. I already have a prob. With his meta (though, hey, He could change so meh) but he did not respond to my points about it at all. He also seems to be contriction himself more than usual. His focus on defendning himself thou, does remind me of ole tumble. Super flip also is important here. Rsoultin - Slight town read + gamblers luck I am not great at reading Rsoul typically. Though, this time I can actually read her filter and understand it! JustAnotherTownie - Gumshoe - town Prob. my top town read here tbh. Like a lot of what he is doing, and is doing what he said he would do about suspicious things. I pushed him on early on, to see how he responded and to get answers for the only thing i found remotely sus. From him. Lost all sus. Mostly after his respond to my post. Sicklucker - 1gu - Scum lean Scum slip post made my day (<3) missed those so much! Anyways, Activity really isn’t bothering me tbh (he had to replace out of the last game me and I played IIRC, that or he missed almost the whole phase.) What is bothering me about Onegu is a following of things: He really hasn’t chased after some, which I would expect from him. He calls people scum, yet doesn’t do much to go after them or question them. Kinda just seems mellow on that part. Like he can interact with his scum reads about something off topic, but he doesn’t really seem to try to get their thoughts. He does spend time talking to them/about them (Cough rsoul) yet he doesn’t actually do much. Other than call them scum again. Some tone things, I brought this up towards the end of point one. 1st one is, He scum reads “x” yet jokes with them almost all the time. Examples: Show nested quote +On April 18 2016 07:28 Onegu wrote:On April 18 2016 07:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Cbf dealing with onegu again. I'll just vote super unless his claim makes sense. I kinda remember a post like this before. I think that game ended with me you and rsoul in lylo... Show nested quote +On April 18 2016 07:27 Onegu wrote:On April 18 2016 07:12 rsoultin wrote:not right now, though ^^ lexy's back. it's lexy time! anyone who wants to join me in lexy time is welcome ![](/mirror/smilies/wink.gif) I want in on some sexy lexy time!!!! Show nested quote +On April 15 2016 15:44 Onegu wrote: Tell sexy Lexy <3 chocolate
To bad you are still scum...
Also gumshoe is scum. He tried to meta read me some weird ass way he is trying to buddy me because he knows how awesome I am. Show nested quote +On April 16 2016 04:57 Onegu wrote:On April 16 2016 04:26 Palmar wrote: Lynch rsoultin This She forgot me in her list post. Means she is scum 100000000% Also people saying they can meta read me are scum. Gumshoe. Rels, Rsoultin. THere is your team. Thank you well played onegu. He is also ridiculously Trolly this game as well. I’ve never seen Onegu, in all the town games I played with him, act so trolly. This might or might mean something to yall (never played with a scum Onegu so), but it is something i noticed superbia - Blue or scum here. also one time he made this post and never finished it superbia = blue or scum, but no indication which his comments are all so cursory and not actually justifying the reads
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