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I'm not a huge 40K lore buff, but I seem to recall there being a theory that when the Emperor comes back, he comes back stronger than ever and could wipe the remaining factions quite easily.
I also seem to recall that the Eldar saying something that when the Emperor truly "dies", then he'll come back as a (Chaos?) god and just be SIGNIFICANTLY stronger than any of the current gods.
Again, I'm not a lore buff, but I'd love to know if I'm talking nonsense or not.
That said, there seems to be several indications that the Imperium is just boned. But that's pretty 40k if you think about it.
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Let's just face it that WH40K has lore that makes no sense and seems to be written like a parody of action clichés.
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On May 06 2016 16:20 Heartland wrote: Let's just face it that WH40K has lore that makes no sense and seems to be written like a parody of action clichés. i dunno about that
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A common theory is that the Imperium's efforts to keep him alive through the Golden Throne are misguided, as if allowed to die completely, his (extremely powerful) soul would be able to escape to the Warp and reform into something greater, often called the "Star Child." This entity would supposedly be able to defeat the Chaos gods on their own turf and bring an end to the current age of grimdarkness.
GW would never allow this to happen, of course.
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On May 06 2016 17:43 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2016 16:20 Heartland wrote: Let's just face it that WH40K has lore that makes no sense and seems to be written like a parody of action clichés. i dunno about that Two words, Kaldor Draigo.
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I like 40k, I like DoW... but that trailer sucked.
Still excited for the game, but that was not a good trailer at all... really weak audio, and boring action. Nothing felt like it had any impact (like when the banshee draws her sword, wtf is that sound).
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On May 06 2016 20:34 Liquid`Jinro wrote: I like 40k, I like DoW... but that trailer sucked.
Still excited for the game, but that was not a good trailer at all... really weak audio, and boring action. Nothing felt like it had any impact (like when the banshee draws her sword, wtf is that sound). I agree, the action falls flat when compared to DoW 1 and 2 trailers.
They also screwed up the space marine models themselves, Massive long slim legs and tiny waists >< ugh, they look more like ballerina's then genetically engineered human tanks.
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On May 06 2016 17:43 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2016 16:20 Heartland wrote: Let's just face it that WH40K has lore that makes no sense and seems to be written like a parody of action clichés. i dunno about that 40K has always been a sort of fun satire of sci-fi action taken to 2000%. The game space hulk is so clearly inspired by the movie Aliens. Space Marines are the sci-fi wet dream of future tech and every single battle scene has the sole goal of being the most bad ass heavy metal album cover art possible.
Of course it makes sense in its own narrative, but secret Warhammer and Warhammer 40K is that its satire that takes itself deadly serious. Which is part of the joke, as the legions of Space Romans who worship space Jesus fight a race of warlike space fungus with chain saw swords.
Its beyond dumb and beautiful.
On May 06 2016 21:53 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2016 20:34 Liquid`Jinro wrote: I like 40k, I like DoW... but that trailer sucked.
Still excited for the game, but that was not a good trailer at all... really weak audio, and boring action. Nothing felt like it had any impact (like when the banshee draws her sword, wtf is that sound). I agree, the action falls flat when compared to DoW 1 and 2 trailers. They also screwed up the space marine models themselves, Massive long slim legs and tiny waists >< ugh, they look more like ballerina's then genetically engineered human tanks. I remember Relic talking about having to change the basic design of Space Maries to make them animate as people expect them to. A lot the designs for 40K are focused on being still models, which can be hard to put into motion. It’s similar to the problem a lot of super hero costumes have when they transition from page to screen. Iron man didn’t use to use his hands as rockets and flew more like superman before the movies.
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On May 06 2016 14:58 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2016 10:14 Sentenal wrote:On May 06 2016 07:05 Jerubaal wrote:On May 06 2016 05:06 Sentenal wrote:On May 06 2016 04:54 Jerubaal wrote:On May 05 2016 23:20 Heartland wrote:On May 05 2016 22:12 Jerubaal wrote: I found the Necrons quite dull in Dark Crusade. The Tau were kind of boring story-wise, but they were really fun to play. Tyranids are super cool, but I hate their place in the story. why? I'm going to assume you mean about the Tyranids. I think they are cool in their way, but what I hate about them is how they seem to wipe away all of the other subplots. We have the Imperium, Chaos, Orks, Eldar, Dark Eldar, Tau, Necrons but don't worry because a race with basically no distinct characters is going to come wipe out literally the whole galaxy. I don't see how they wipe away other subplots. Sure, they don't have distinct characters (because they are a swarm of locust) and therefore a narrative of their own, but their existence creates plenty of subplots for other races. Such as different races teaming up against them, or an Inquistor diverting a Hive Fleet into a WAAAGH, and what not. They serve as a pretty good foil and adversary for pretty much every other race. Idk, the way they have the story currently set up, unless I missed something, is there is a seemingly endless flood of tyranids coming in across the galaxy. They block out the warp. Nobody has a chance of stopping them besides the orks. Seems like it's pretty much game over. Hive Fleets tend to go out of their way to avoid Tomb Worlds. If the Necrons get united, they'd certainly be a threat. After all, they are barely even woken up yet, and those that are are fighting amongst themselves. If the Emperor dies and comes back, the Imperium would be able to stop the Tyranids. If the Emperor dies and becomes a new Chaos God, nothing would stop Chaos. Ghazghkull crushed the Tyranids on Octarius, so if he got a big enough WAAAGH going, he'd be a real threat to them. Honestly pretty much every faction other than the weak factions (both Eldar and Tau) stand a chance, theoretically. Imperium is doomed. According to the prophecy there were 2 possible outcomes when Chaos first appeared: 1. Horus succeeds, Chaos wins and takes over the galaxy. It's a brief (relatively speaking) flicker and then dies out as it consumes itself (taking humanity with it). 2. Horus fails, fight goes on, Chaos gods get the time they need to fully form, feed and grow strong. That's why Alpha Legion joined Horus in the first place. They think that aiding him in overcoming the Imperium quickly will actually work against Chaos (and that's why they still shout 'For the Emperor!' as they go to battle). That's the story the Cabal of Xenos gave, but they aren't infallible, since they are filthy xenos scum. Afterall, there are plenty of other plot threads that imply the opposite, like the Emperor potentially being a Perpetual, and the Golden Throne is keeping him from regenerating.
Plus, no one really knows for sure why the Alpha Legion does what the Alpha Legion does, or even if they are really doing the things it seems like they are doing. That's their thing, to be completely covered in mystery and contradiction, and you never know what they are doing.
On May 06 2016 16:20 Heartland wrote: Let's just face it that WH40K has lore that makes no sense and seems to be written like a parody of action clichés. This is true. WH40K is, IMO, best looked at as an action comedy.
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On May 07 2016 01:36 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2016 14:58 Manit0u wrote:On May 06 2016 10:14 Sentenal wrote:On May 06 2016 07:05 Jerubaal wrote:On May 06 2016 05:06 Sentenal wrote:On May 06 2016 04:54 Jerubaal wrote:On May 05 2016 23:20 Heartland wrote:On May 05 2016 22:12 Jerubaal wrote: I found the Necrons quite dull in Dark Crusade. The Tau were kind of boring story-wise, but they were really fun to play. Tyranids are super cool, but I hate their place in the story. why? I'm going to assume you mean about the Tyranids. I think they are cool in their way, but what I hate about them is how they seem to wipe away all of the other subplots. We have the Imperium, Chaos, Orks, Eldar, Dark Eldar, Tau, Necrons but don't worry because a race with basically no distinct characters is going to come wipe out literally the whole galaxy. I don't see how they wipe away other subplots. Sure, they don't have distinct characters (because they are a swarm of locust) and therefore a narrative of their own, but their existence creates plenty of subplots for other races. Such as different races teaming up against them, or an Inquistor diverting a Hive Fleet into a WAAAGH, and what not. They serve as a pretty good foil and adversary for pretty much every other race. Idk, the way they have the story currently set up, unless I missed something, is there is a seemingly endless flood of tyranids coming in across the galaxy. They block out the warp. Nobody has a chance of stopping them besides the orks. Seems like it's pretty much game over. Hive Fleets tend to go out of their way to avoid Tomb Worlds. If the Necrons get united, they'd certainly be a threat. After all, they are barely even woken up yet, and those that are are fighting amongst themselves. If the Emperor dies and comes back, the Imperium would be able to stop the Tyranids. If the Emperor dies and becomes a new Chaos God, nothing would stop Chaos. Ghazghkull crushed the Tyranids on Octarius, so if he got a big enough WAAAGH going, he'd be a real threat to them. Honestly pretty much every faction other than the weak factions (both Eldar and Tau) stand a chance, theoretically. Imperium is doomed. According to the prophecy there were 2 possible outcomes when Chaos first appeared: 1. Horus succeeds, Chaos wins and takes over the galaxy. It's a brief (relatively speaking) flicker and then dies out as it consumes itself (taking humanity with it). 2. Horus fails, fight goes on, Chaos gods get the time they need to fully form, feed and grow strong. That's why Alpha Legion joined Horus in the first place. They think that aiding him in overcoming the Imperium quickly will actually work against Chaos (and that's why they still shout 'For the Emperor!' as they go to battle). That's the story the Cabal of Xenos gave, but they aren't infallible, since they are filthy xenos scum. Afterall, there are plenty of other plot threads that imply the opposite, like the Emperor potentially being a Perpetual, and the Golden Throne is keeping him from regenerating. Plus, no one really knows for sure why the Alpha Legion does what the Alpha Legion does, or even if they are really doing the things it seems like they are doing. That's their thing, to be completely covered in mystery and contradiction, and you never know what they are doing. Show nested quote +On May 06 2016 16:20 Heartland wrote: Let's just face it that WH40K has lore that makes no sense and seems to be written like a parody of action clichés. This is true. WH40K is, IMO, best looked at as an action comedy.
That's what makes 40K so fucking awesome.
If you're taking it seriously, you're doing it wrong.
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Unfortunately people on the internet take 40k so seriously, Not sure why. The only conclusion I can take from it is that those serious people don't actually play the tabletop game. They mistake the setting for the stories; for them 40k is experienced as purely background stories. Like for example the emperor theories.
The average 40k tabletop player doesn't give a shit about these. The Holy Emperor isn't going to step of his Golden Throne and play the game for them. Foer them the 30 years of 40k background stories simply means that there is no one truth, only current codexes. Dark Eldar is a new race, that worships Slaanesh into torture for desperate soul relief. Necrons were robot Tomb Kings in space, into souless robots, into characterful robots with personalities. Orks were green football hooligans, into serious gorkamorka combats orks into waaagh is a holy crusade that if united will rule the galaxy. The imperium is a billion different things, as is chaos and the nature of warp space.
This disconnect of internet warriors, explains the odd preponderence of memes and novels as gospel truth, whilst the avergae 40k tabletop player simply enjoys the atmosphere it give to their own games.
Also the trailer was kinda bad. The Inception style music was just...wierd. I was expecting Leonardo DiCaprio to pop up. Howling banshee armour is not meant to be bone. The building they were standing in looked more chaos than eldar. The scene introducing the wraithlord was awesome though. they needed more of that. Also the space marines all died pathetic deaths. They die to a stiff breeze. One lies helpless and gets his body ripped apart by an ork administering the emperor's grace. Another seemingly dies from being bashed on the head by a grot. Another has a wraithlord fall on him. I suppose the makers of the trailer really hate space marines.
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I didn't like the Eldars and Necrons in DW1. Tau is cool but I never got the hang of their playstyle. They seemed pretty weak.
I don't know what they can add to dw1 so I'm guessing this will be more towards dw2 style. Or even a FPS.
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On May 07 2016 06:41 Deathstar wrote: I didn't like the Eldars and Necrons in DW1. Tau is cool but I never got the hang of their playstyle. They seemed pretty weak.
I don't know what they can add to dw1 so I'm guessing this will be more towards dw2 style. Or even a FPS.
Heh, Necron and Eldar were my 2 favorite factions in DoW
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I dunno for me DoW was always characterized by over the top gory ass kills and shit.
Despite how Space Marine(the third person shooter thing) may not have been great by any means, it didnt disappoint me since i guess i was expecting to chainsaw people in half blow off arms and shit like that
i just hope this game does the same
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On May 06 2016 21:53 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2016 20:34 Liquid`Jinro wrote: I like 40k, I like DoW... but that trailer sucked.
Still excited for the game, but that was not a good trailer at all... really weak audio, and boring action. Nothing felt like it had any impact (like when the banshee draws her sword, wtf is that sound). I agree, the action falls flat when compared to DoW 1 and 2 trailers. They also screwed up the space marine models themselves, Massive long slim legs and tiny waists >< ugh, they look more like ballerina's then genetically engineered human tanks.
This.
Space marines aren't beanstalks ffs
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they should have scrapped Space Marines and use Ordo Hereticus, those models would have worked better for animations. Also the coolest faction in 40k !
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On May 06 2016 15:39 Frudgey wrote: I'm not a huge 40K lore buff, but I seem to recall there being a theory that when the Emperor comes back, he comes back stronger than ever and could wipe the remaining factions quite easily.
I also seem to recall that the Eldar saying something that when the Emperor truly "dies", then he'll come back as a (Chaos?) god and just be SIGNIFICANTLY stronger than any of the current gods.
Again, I'm not a lore buff, but I'd love to know if I'm talking nonsense or not.
That said, there seems to be several indications that the Imperium is just boned. But that's pretty 40k if you think about it.
40k lore has a theory that the Emperor's spirit is sort of stuck in limbo in the Golden Throne; he needs to die to be released into the universe and be reborn as a new god. There's also the idea that the Emperor dies, the devices he powers fails, and the Imperium and therefore the galaxy gets consumed by chaos
Another theory is that the Emperor requires the sacrifice of some SUPER powerful psykers all at once and that would jumpstart him back into kicking ass
And another theory that the Emperor reborn may be related to the idea of Ynnead, the Eldar god of death. The idea is that in the Eldar Craftworlds, Ynnead is slowly taking shape with the slow death of the Eldar race (Similar to how Slaanesh grew and eventually came into being from the hedonistic wastefulness of the Eldar). Its possible that, once all the Eldar are dead, Ynnead will come into being and destroy the Chaos gods...or that jack shit will happen and the universe will be consumed by chaos.
Regardless, like another posted said above me, 40k isn't about the lore, the lore just provides a setting. The universe in 40k is fairly static in terms of lore: Imperium beset on all sides, Tyranids slowly invading, Orcs invading, Chaos invading, Tau expanding, Emperor's life support failing, and so on. those are universal constants that can't and won't really change unless GW pulls an End Times thing like they did for Warhammer Fantasy and actually (canonically) destroy their entire universe.
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Some recent campaign books have been advancing the story a little bit. The Tau in particular won't be expanding anymore for a few more generations. Some crazy shit was going on with the Space Wolves too.
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