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On June 04 2016 16:27 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 08:53 QuickTwist wrote:On June 04 2016 08:52 Superbia wrote: Quicky, do your townreads have any substance? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Lol. This response when you are currently pressuring me for reads ^.^
Keep reading the thread, there is some more logical discussion if you keep reading which might be more to your liking.
Also, I have how many posts in this thread compared to your how many? Not the same thing at all.
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On June 04 2016 16:29 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 08:53 blkcoffee wrote:If it's alright with you I'm not going to read any of those games. I'm curious what you think of quick town reading you so early and his subsequent town reads. For quicktwist. Can you explain how you came to a serious vote on super. What changed? Easiest read yet.
You're currently pretty null to me. Care to town it up a bit?
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On June 04 2016 09:04 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 08:59 QuickTwist wrote:On June 04 2016 08:53 blkcoffee wrote:If it's alright with you I'm not going to read any of those games. I'm curious what you think of quick town reading you so early and his subsequent town reads. For quicktwist. Can you explain how you came to a serious vote on super. What changed? I explained this partially but I will explain to those who may not understand the intricacies of this. Sup is trying to look like he is town. So either he is playing some really fantastic head games with people and he wants people to vote him to see who picks up on his scummy behavior and votes Obvscum OR he is just really bad Scum who is trying to look like they are scum hunting in the most obvious straightforward way possible. I don't think he is so dumb that he could legit be Town trying to scum hunt, but at this point I can't rule that out I guess. have you heard of "WIFOM"? it stands for "wine in front of me", in reference to some scene from The Princess Bride. this is what it means and WIFOM is about the most I'd say about superbia's early-early-early-D1 play.
Most disappointing post of the game so far...
I can't believe you don't know that scene from Princess Bride...
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I have work soon and I can't bring myself to read through all of Jesus's huge posts.
I'll be back in the evening.
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On June 04 2016 10:11 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 10:05 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: guys, sqrtneg1 he was here and active when it was just "hello wassup" but when people started talking actual content, he disappeared. Whereas you contributed what exactly?
This is a terrible post to townread someone by, but I def want to keep you around now.
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Caught up now, still gunna hold off giving reads till later though. + Show Spoiler [Boring Ass reasons why] +partially kus I've changed my mind about a couple of people, and partially kus I prefer to have seen posts from everyone
I'll be at a party a large chunk of the evening tomorrow, but should be around plenty going into EoD.
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Had 3 hours of sleep. Fucking hell. Going to lurk a bit, at least for now. May do some stuff in a few hours.
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On June 04 2016 15:42 QuickTwist wrote:K, what's the reason for the rule? Probably because of analytic facility for a bot or something. Regardless, it's a rule so you should follow it or risk looking even more suspect because of the fact that you refuse to follow basic guidelines for play.
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On June 04 2016 16:02 Tictock wrote: Oh hey, I didn't realize you were Russian Jealous.
Thats cool, got a fair bit of ancestry from Russia on my dad's side.
... also a bit of a rare breed on the mafia forums (fairly UK and US dominated) Cheers!
On June 04 2016 16:18 Tumblewood wrote: ok yeah as I see it one of QT and Jealous has to be scum. they're both acting independently scummy (eager to read anything as scummy, tryhard tone, making mountains of molehills). I don't believe that they could both be town, although if they were I will mock D1 relentlessly in postgame. I also believe that they could not keep up this stupid bickering for so long as partners. I'm leaning toward QT at this point for refuting everything Jealous says and then townreading him for it (pretty shallow townread IMO, there's more to the game than just how much you write that's semi-productive). Jealous maybe, but I think my dislike of his tone biases my judgment. 6/10 would lynch QT D1 and if he flips town lynch Jealous D2 or we could plynch sqrt and let their alignments become more apparent over time.
Even molehills seem like mountains when there is no reference point - in other words, no other leads to go by.
Glad you are open about your personal bias against words longer than 5 letters. Should I assume you fall into the redneck category on that scale of yours?
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On June 04 2016 16:49 blkcoffee wrote: I have work soon and I can't bring myself to read through all of Jesus's huge posts.
I'll be back in the evening. Let Jesus into your life, my friend. Don't let fear get in the way of faith.
If you want to read one post that summarizes my stance on Day 1 so far, it would be this one:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/508622-newbie-mafia-xxi?page=27#521
The rest is bickering, clarification, etc.
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Hello guys, I caught up. There's a lot already to read into. Based on continuous activity, "careless/fearless" pushes and cool refinements of thoughts, I think Superbia is town and we should regard his thoughts a lot. Almost every single page we currently have contains a post of him, and while initial posts might be banter, I can say that from my experience that starting a game is always kind of rough to do.
Also, I like QuickTwist, also for the great activity. The fact that he votes Tumblewood because he gives him a townread ("I shouldn't be getting this much town cred already should I?") makes me think he's town.
However that brought me to filtering Tumblewood. The first two pages of his filter are useless. No pushes, no reads, nothing even remotely readable, which, for me, is mafia indicative. Well, page 3 is much better, and I like this line of thoughts:
On June 04 2016 11:31 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 11:24 QuickTwist wrote: OK, so here's why I think Jealous is Town.
He's smart. He knows being overly confident in his reads helps town. He has been pushing scummy behavior namely, me. He is paying really close attention to the game and what people say and jumping on anything the looks like it could get traction. He's pushing his agenda and trying to be very correct.
For that reason I think he would make a really bad lynch today. his scumreads are founded in a mountain of evidence, but that evidence does not make anyone scum. I don't see how you can refute his reads as misled but then call them good and townie all of a sudden. townread suspended
So I'd also note Tumblewood as town. Besides the players that have not posted yet or do have a very low post activity, my strongest mafia read as of now is MoosyDoosy. His posts do not make sense, they feel rushed, "activity for the sake of activity" to appear townie, and they're partially total offtopic (see the post about CRISPR). Voting himself, while even against the rules afaik, and spitting out a big post:
+ Show Spoiler +On June 04 2016 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 05:19 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:I think this is going to be a really slow game unless the newbs talk a lot. None of the vets are big talkers. BOI I GOT THIS Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 05:19 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:3) MooooooosyDooooosy - if he looks scummy, he's town. if he looks townie, he's scum. lmaoo this is actually pretty tru Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 06:44 QuickTwist wrote: GLHF. I sincerely hope I get my ass handed to me. DarthPunk told me the competition here is good. If I am an above average players here, that is going to not reflect very well on this community. You have been warned. I am not very good at this game. that won't happen w/ this player list. The vets will be too busy squabbling over each other about how someone used emoticons or something while Mafia will get away. :D Basically: competition =/= good at game. It just means we shit on each other a lot more. Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 08:03 Superbia wrote: First person to hard claim mafia gets a free d1 read&pass. I'd like to hard claim Mafia mmmmmmmmm Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 08:05 QuickTwist wrote: Hi, I have a PR and I think I should be the first NK. veteran or mafia Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 08:07 QuickTwist wrote: I;m getting a town read on Sup... for really no reason. veteran or mafia or mafia Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 08:10 QuickTwist wrote: I will not be claiming mafia, sorry do much disappoint. veteran or mafia or mafia or mafia
He is just confusing. There is no straight pattern, and I cannot see a goal that he tries to follow. All he does is stirring up chaos, then disappearing. I think he is scum.
##vote MoosyDoosy
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Also, following up on Tumblewood's post about QT and Jealous: if I simply follow the reads that I did so far without looking at Jealous' filter (which I haven't done yet), my logical conclusion should be that Jealous is scum. Here is my thought process about that:
1. I townread Tumblewood. 2. Tumblewood thinks that between QT and Jealous, one is scum. 3. I townread QT.
That makes Jealous scum (only if Tumblewood's thought is correct which, of course, is not granted). I am going to look at Jealous more detailed.
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Qt and jealous. Activity is good to an extent but you guys are being really anti town with your one on one spam. No one is going to read it. Pleaase consolidate your points and talk stop just talking to each other,
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Tumble and been there... It seems really counter intuitive to call someone to wrote so much scum.
I mean he wrote so much that I stopped reading him and assumed he's town.
Are you guys actually still reading qt vs jealous?
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On June 04 2016 19:09 beentheredonethat wrote: Also, following up on Tumblewood's post about QT and Jealous: if I simply follow the reads that I did so far without looking at Jealous' filter (which I haven't done yet), my logical conclusion should be that Jealous is scum. Here is my thought process about that:
1. I townread Tumblewood. 2. Tumblewood thinks that between QT and Jealous, one is scum. 3. I townread QT.
That makes Jealous scum (only if Tumblewood's thought is correct which, of course, is not granted). I am going to look at Jealous more detailed. I'm not going to argue with what you've already admitted is highly conditional reasoning, but if your faith in Tumblewood is so great then you should check this post:
On June 04 2016 16:18 Tumblewood wrote: ok yeah as I see it one of QT and Jealous has to be scum. they're both acting independently scummy (eager to read anything as scummy, tryhard tone, making mountains of molehills). I don't believe that they could both be town, although if they were I will mock D1 relentlessly in postgame. I also believe that they could not keep up this stupid bickering for so long as partners. I'm leaning toward QT at this point for refuting everything Jealous says and then townreading him for it (pretty shallow townread IMO, there's more to the game than just how much you write that's semi-productive). Jealous maybe, but I think my dislike of his tone biases my judgment. 6/10 would lynch QT D1 and if he flips town lynch Jealous D2 or we could plynch sqrt and let their alignments become more apparent over time.
In here he says that his suspicion lies on QuickTwist, which somewhat debunks your line of reasoning because your townreads would be only 50% accurate.
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On June 04 2016 19:49 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: Qt and jealous. Activity is good to an extent but you guys are being really anti town with your one on one spam. No one is going to read it. Pleaase consolidate your points and talk stop just talking to each other, I was met with the same criticism not long ago and made this post an hour ago:
Whether you read the rest or not is up to you and your level of dedication. I was simply pursuing what I find to be a legitimate lead, which has led me to construct the following points on why I believe QT is a good vote for Day 1::
1. QT's posts, on average, lack substance (failing to answer questions, using memes as answers, dodgy responses in general, no analysis presented to substantiate claims).
2. QT voted for one person, then claimed to vote for another in this thread while making a vote post in the voting thread that did not corroborate his verbal stance, all while not even using the proper format for unvoting so therefore there is a strong possibility that he is intentionally misleading people.
There are more but I don't want to be too long-winded yet again.
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On June 04 2016 19:05 beentheredonethat wrote:Hello guys, I caught up. There's a lot already to read into. Based on continuous activity, "careless/fearless" pushes and cool refinements of thoughts, I think Superbia is town and we should regard his thoughts a lot. Almost every single page we currently have contains a post of him, and while initial posts might be banter, I can say that from my experience that starting a game is always kind of rough to do. Also, I like QuickTwist, also for the great activity. The fact that he votes Tumblewood because he gives him a townread ("I shouldn't be getting this much town cred already should I?") makes me think he's town. However that brought me to filtering Tumblewood. The first two pages of his filter are useless. No pushes, no reads, nothing even remotely readable, which, for me, is mafia indicative. Well, page 3 is much better, and I like this line of thoughts: Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 11:31 Tumblewood wrote:On June 04 2016 11:24 QuickTwist wrote: OK, so here's why I think Jealous is Town.
He's smart. He knows being overly confident in his reads helps town. He has been pushing scummy behavior namely, me. He is paying really close attention to the game and what people say and jumping on anything the looks like it could get traction. He's pushing his agenda and trying to be very correct.
For that reason I think he would make a really bad lynch today. his scumreads are founded in a mountain of evidence, but that evidence does not make anyone scum. I don't see how you can refute his reads as misled but then call them good and townie all of a sudden. townread suspended So I'd also note Tumblewood as town. Besides the players that have not posted yet or do have a very low post activity, my strongest mafia read as of now is MoosyDoosy. His posts do not make sense, they feel rushed, "activity for the sake of activity" to appear townie, and they're partially total offtopic (see the post about CRISPR). Voting himself, while even against the rules afaik, and spitting out a big post: + Show Spoiler +On June 04 2016 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 05:19 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:I think this is going to be a really slow game unless the newbs talk a lot. None of the vets are big talkers. BOI I GOT THIS Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 05:19 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:3) MooooooosyDooooosy - if he looks scummy, he's town. if he looks townie, he's scum. lmaoo this is actually pretty tru Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 06:44 QuickTwist wrote: GLHF. I sincerely hope I get my ass handed to me. DarthPunk told me the competition here is good. If I am an above average players here, that is going to not reflect very well on this community. You have been warned. I am not very good at this game. that won't happen w/ this player list. The vets will be too busy squabbling over each other about how someone used emoticons or something while Mafia will get away. :D Basically: competition =/= good at game. It just means we shit on each other a lot more. Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 08:03 Superbia wrote: First person to hard claim mafia gets a free d1 read&pass. I'd like to hard claim Mafia mmmmmmmmm Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 08:05 QuickTwist wrote: Hi, I have a PR and I think I should be the first NK. veteran or mafia Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 08:07 QuickTwist wrote: I;m getting a town read on Sup... for really no reason. veteran or mafia or mafia Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 08:10 QuickTwist wrote: I will not be claiming mafia, sorry do much disappoint. veteran or mafia or mafia or mafia He is just confusing. There is no straight pattern, and I cannot see a goal that he tries to follow. All he does is stirring up chaos, then disappearing. I think he is scum. ##vote MoosyDoosy
What if I were to tell you that moosy always plays like that as town?
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On June 04 2016 19:53 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 19:09 beentheredonethat wrote: Also, following up on Tumblewood's post about QT and Jealous: if I simply follow the reads that I did so far without looking at Jealous' filter (which I haven't done yet), my logical conclusion should be that Jealous is scum. Here is my thought process about that:
1. I townread Tumblewood. 2. Tumblewood thinks that between QT and Jealous, one is scum. 3. I townread QT.
That makes Jealous scum (only if Tumblewood's thought is correct which, of course, is not granted). I am going to look at Jealous more detailed. I'm not going to argue with what you've already admitted is highly conditional reasoning, but if your faith in Tumblewood is so great then you should check this post: Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 16:18 Tumblewood wrote: ok yeah as I see it one of QT and Jealous has to be scum. they're both acting independently scummy (eager to read anything as scummy, tryhard tone, making mountains of molehills). I don't believe that they could both be town, although if they were I will mock D1 relentlessly in postgame. I also believe that they could not keep up this stupid bickering for so long as partners. I'm leaning toward QT at this point for refuting everything Jealous says and then townreading him for it (pretty shallow townread IMO, there's more to the game than just how much you write that's semi-productive). Jealous maybe, but I think my dislike of his tone biases my judgment. 6/10 would lynch QT D1 and if he flips town lynch Jealous D2 or we could plynch sqrt and let their alignments become more apparent over time. In here he says that his suspicion lies on QuickTwist, which somewhat debunks your line of reasoning because your townreads would be only 50% accurate. EBWOP 33% accurate if you consider your analysis on Superbia, which I found to be factually faulty as he most certainly does not have a post on every page.
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On June 04 2016 20:02 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 19:49 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: Qt and jealous. Activity is good to an extent but you guys are being really anti town with your one on one spam. No one is going to read it. Pleaase consolidate your points and talk stop just talking to each other, I was met with the same criticism not long ago and made this post an hour ago: Whether you read the rest or not is up to you and your level of dedication. I was simply pursuing what I find to be a legitimate lead, which has led me to construct the following points on why I believe QT is a good vote for Day 1:: 1. QT's posts, on average, lack substance (failing to answer questions, using memes as answers, dodgy responses in general, no analysis presented to substantiate claims). 2. QT voted for one person, then claimed to vote for another in this thread while making a vote post in the voting thread that did not corroborate his verbal stance, all while not even using the proper format for unvoting so therefore there is a strong possibility that he is intentionally misleading people. There are more but I don't want to be too long-winded yet again.
I really don't care if you wrote a summary. What you are doing now is bad for town. People are going to be discouraged to read the whole game and it's going to be harder to get a read on those people. Not every one has as much free time as you.
Too much writing. Especially because it's mostly 1v1.
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