New ladder system - Review by SpaceMarineSC2
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CoreSpaceMarine
10 Posts
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ejozl
Denmark3170 Posts
Definitely agree, it's pretty ridiculous how addictive the quests are. I've played more Hearthstone&Herocraft than Starcraft the last couple of months, even though I consider Starcraft by far my main game. Every single time I get back on the ladder, I get surprised what a good roller coaster ride Starcraft is. The hardest part about Starcraft is playing the first game of the day, every game past that comes naturally and by competitive nature, since you wanna prove that you can do better than the last game to yourself. Some kind of daily would completely alleviate this factor and make me play the game that I actually love instead of other random shit games. Well not shit games, but compared to Starcraft they are | ||
WhosQuany
Germany257 Posts
On July 01 2016 02:56 ejozl wrote: woop woop up&cming content creator :o Definitely agree, it's pretty ridiculous how addictive the quests are. I've played more Hearthstone&Herocraft than Starcraft the last couple of months, even though I consider Starcraft by far my main game. Every single time I get back on the ladder, I get surprised what a good roller coaster ride Starcraft is. The hardest part about Starcraft is playing the first game of the day, every game past that comes naturally and by competitive nature, since you wanna prove that you can do better than the last game to yourself. Some kind of daily would completely alleviate this factor and make me play the game that I actually love instead of other random shit games. Well not shit games, but compared to Starcraft they are hahaha you been reading my mind? | ||
NonY
8716 Posts
If you want to make a video in support of currency, collections, quests, etc, then make one exclusively on that. However I don't think Blizzard themselves need to be informed about any of those systems. They've already created several. The only thing Blizzard must consider is whether implementing such systems for SC2 is worth the effort and so the only useful thing the community can do on this issue is help Blizzard understand how much we'd benefit. So the video would be more about educating players who could then express their interest to Blizzard. Then Blizzard can make a more educated decision about where to allocate their resources, either to this or perhaps they'd still judge something else to be a higher priority. It's pretty poor form to use a review of this great update to the ladder as a platform to talk about the things the game still lacks. I don't know how much time and interest you have in making videos, but my honest advice is to take this video down and make two more. The first one can be a better review of the ladder update, taking these significant positive changes more seriously even though they don't apply to you, and giving Blizzard the credit they deserve. The second can be about systems that encourage players to play the game, one of which is the ladder, but others include currency, achievements, collections and quests. | ||
ZeroCartin
Costa Rica2390 Posts
On July 01 2016 03:53 NonY wrote: After you did the intro and showed the Blizzard video, you spent ~90 seconds saying "I'm GM so this doesn't really matter to me, but I think it'll be cool to know how close you are to a promotion and to see your MMR" and then you spent the rest of the video talking about a completely different topic from the ladder (a currency system). If you want to make a video in support of currency, collections, quests, etc, then make one exclusively on that. However I don't think Blizzard themselves need to be informed about any of those systems. They've already created several. The only thing Blizzard must consider is whether implementing such systems for SC2 is worth the effort and so the only useful thing the community can do on this issue is help Blizzard understand how much we'd benefit. So the video would be more about educating players who could then express their interest to Blizzard. Then Blizzard can make a more educated decision about where to allocate their resources, either to this or perhaps they'd still judge something else to be a higher priority. It's pretty poor form to use a review of this great update to the ladder as a platform to talk about the things the game still lacks. I don't know how much time and interest you have in making videos, but my honest advice is to take this video down and make two more. The first one can be a better review of the ladder update, taking these significant positive changes more seriously even though they don't apply to you, and giving Blizzard the credit they deserve. The second can be about systems that encourage players to play the game, one of which is the ladder, but others include currency, achievements, collections and quests. I was in the middle of my post writing and then decided to read this. These are exactly my thoughts. Your ideas have nothing to do with the ladder rank update. | ||
Railgan
Switzerland1507 Posts
On July 01 2016 03:53 NonY wrote: After you did the intro and showed the Blizzard video, you spent ~90 seconds saying "I'm GM so this doesn't really matter to me, but I think it'll be cool to know how close you are to a promotion and to see your MMR" and then you spent the rest of the video talking about a completely different topic from the ladder (a currency system). If you want to make a video in support of currency, collections, quests, etc, then make one exclusively on that. However I don't think Blizzard themselves need to be informed about any of those systems. They've already created several. The only thing Blizzard must consider is whether implementing such systems for SC2 is worth the effort and so the only useful thing the community can do on this issue is help Blizzard understand how much we'd benefit. So the video would be more about educating players who could then express their interest to Blizzard. Then Blizzard can make a more educated decision about where to allocate their resources, either to this or perhaps they'd still judge something else to be a higher priority. It's pretty poor form to use a review of this great update to the ladder as a platform to talk about the things the game still lacks. I don't know how much time and interest you have in making videos, but my honest advice is to take this video down and make two more. The first one can be a better review of the ladder update, taking these significant positive changes more seriously even though they don't apply to you, and giving Blizzard the credit they deserve. The second can be about systems that encourage players to play the game, one of which is the ladder, but others include currency, achievements, collections and quests. My thoughts exactly. I am a GM too and I am still looking foward to seeing my actual MMR not having to check through the GM ranks to see who still has bonus pool left and calculate my actual rank. Saying the change doesn't change anything for GM players probably means that you don't realise what exactly changed. | ||
CoreSpaceMarine
10 Posts
On July 01 2016 03:53 NonY wrote: After you did the intro and showed the Blizzard video, you spent ~90 seconds saying "I'm GM so this doesn't really matter to me, but I think it'll be cool to know how close you are to a promotion and to see your MMR" and then you spent the rest of the video talking about a completely different topic from the ladder (a currency system). If you want to make a video in support of currency, collections, quests, etc, then make one exclusively on that. However I don't think Blizzard themselves need to be informed about any of those systems. They've already created several. The only thing Blizzard must consider is whether implementing such systems for SC2 is worth the effort and so the only useful thing the community can do on this issue is help Blizzard understand how much we'd benefit. So the video would be more about educating players who could then express their interest to Blizzard. Then Blizzard can make a more educated decision about where to allocate their resources, either to this or perhaps they'd still judge something else to be a higher priority. It's pretty poor form to use a review of this great update to the ladder as a platform to talk about the things the game still lacks. I don't know how much time and interest you have in making videos, but my honest advice is to take this video down and make two more. The first one can be a better review of the ladder update, taking these significant positive changes more seriously even though they don't apply to you, and giving Blizzard the credit they deserve. The second can be about systems that encourage players to play the game, one of which is the ladder, but others include currency, achievements, collections and quests. well u totally missed my point. This ladder update might be something but its "NO WHERE NEAR" as important as these other topics blizzard have been avoiding. I just dont get why they would keep spending +100 hours on this patch when there is more important things to be made. even tho i do agree that this is something that is needed(6 years ago) but i guess most of the people who actually had hope for this game already left the scene in wings and hots. My point being. ""NOTHING IS CHANGING"". They just dont hide mmr anymore but they have always been there dude nothing has changed except for division which we already have(kinda) | ||
Railgan
Switzerland1507 Posts
On July 01 2016 05:31 CoreSpaceMarine wrote: well u totally missed my point. This ladder update might be something but its "NO WHERE NEAR" as important as these other topics blizzard have been avoiding. I just dont get why they would keep spending +100 hours on this patch when there is more important things to be made. even tho i do agree that this is something that is needed(6 years ago) but i guess most of the people who actually had hope for this game already left the scene in wings and hots. My point being. ""NOTHING IS CHANGING"". They just dont hide mmr anymore but they have always been there dude nothing has changed except for division which we already have(kinda) If you think all they have done with this update is add some shiny Animations and add MMR instead of Points then I think you are underestimating such changes and the workload. You can't say "instead of the ladder revamp you could have just fixed the balance or added cosmetics or added a new coop commander" these are all things that require a different amount of Work to be done. Nothing is ever as simple as changing some variables there or adding a new animation here. Everything has to be conceptualized, verified if it works with the engine, implemented, tested, reviewed, localized and many more steps. You talk like if you were in the Position you would have simply done something different as if it's that easy for a game as big and complex as Starcraft... I feel like you completly missed the point of everything :/ Also it feels like you are just spamming the Forum with your Videos? Why a new Thread for everything? Your opinion does not mather more than those of others. | ||
NutriaKaiN
88 Posts
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TelecoM
United States10583 Posts
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NonY
8716 Posts
On July 01 2016 05:31 CoreSpaceMarine wrote: well u totally missed my point. This ladder update might be something but its "NO WHERE NEAR" as important as these other topics blizzard have been avoiding. I just dont get why they would keep spending +100 hours on this patch when there is more important things to be made. even tho i do agree that this is something that is needed(6 years ago) but i guess most of the people who actually had hope for this game already left the scene in wings and hots. My point being. ""NOTHING IS CHANGING"". They just dont hide mmr anymore but they have always been there dude nothing has changed except for division which we already have(kinda) What made you think I missed that point? I specifically talked about Blizzard having to prioritize their work. I didn't even discuss the merit of anything you said. I have a problem with the way you chose to spread your content. It's not right to title content one thing when it actually contains another thing. It's also not the right way to interact with Blizzard. There are more polite and productive ways that are mutually beneficial. I'm not sure if you even imagined being an employee at Blizzard who worked on the new ladder system and watched your video. You just didn't present your ideas in a way that has the best chance of accomplishing something good. Besides, you are factually incorrect about nothing really changing in the ladder system. If you want to say that the work that goes into displaying MMR is essentially nothing, fine. You also acknowledge divisions. But there are more changes than that. Here is a critique of your review: you said absolutely nothing interesting or original. As a GM player, you could give your perspective on the GM-specific changes at least. What do you think of daily demotions and promotions? What do you think of the new activity requirement? What do you think of no more bonus pool points in GM? I'm not even sure that you're aware of these changes since you've just implied as much. It really seems like you just skimmed the info on the new ladder system, saw that people were generally approving of it, got upset that Blizzard isn't putting work into the things that you specifically want, so you made a video about the ladder system to draw people in just so you could rant that you disagree with Blizzard's priorities and rehash an old suggestion. | ||
Thinh123456
70 Posts
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misterxy1994
Germany53 Posts
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TedBurtle
Belarus201 Posts
On July 01 2016 15:23 misterxy1994 wrote: I thought the Promotion bar is just for the division and not for the league. Did i get that wrong? ye, when promo bar fulled at silver 1 , you go up to gold 3 | ||
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