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#1 Bisu PvT- 34:16(68%) PvZ- 33:8(80.4%) PvP- 12:4(75%) Overall- 79:28(73.8%) Oppents: Terran - Flash 4: 9, sSak 2:1, Mong 2:1, Icarus 1:0, HiyA 1:0, Last 6:3, Sharp 7:2, Sea 11:0 Zerg - EffOrt 7:2, Larva 6:1, hero 11:4, ZerO 9:1 Protoss - Movie 1:2, GuemChi 1:1, Rock 1:0, free 1:0, Britney 3:1, Best 2:0, Shuttle 3:0
#2 Last TvP- 53:19(73.6%) TvZ- 33:8(80.4%) TvT 21:13(61.7%) Overall- 107:40(72.7%) Oppents: Protss - Bisu 3:6, GuemChi 1:1, Kal 1:0, Jaehoon 3:1, Movie 3:0, Tyson 6:1, free 5:0, Best 10:3, Shuttle 21:7 Zerg - hero 6:1, EffOrt 10:4, ZerO 7:1, Larva 10:2 Terran - Icarus 0:2, Mind 2:3, Flash 1:1, Iris 3:2, sSak 2:1, Mong 1;0, Sharp 4:2, PianO 2:0, HiyA 4:2, Shinee 2:0
#3 Flash TvT- 22:10(68.7%) TvZ 43:13(76.7%) TvP 43:27(61.4%) Ovrall- 109:50(68.5%)
Opponents: Zerg - EffOrt 13:7, hero 11:4, Larva 11:1, ZerO 6:1, HoeJJa 2:0 Terran - Sea 6:2, sSak 2:1, Mong 6:4, Rush 1:0, HiyA 2:1, Last 1:1, Sharp 3:0, Mind:1:1 Protoss - Best 9:14, Bisu 9:4, Movie 3:2, Sky 3:0, free 7:2, Shuttle 4:4, GuemChi 2:0, Kal 2:0, Jaehoon 3:1, Tyson 2:0
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...and this is why Jaedong needs to return, all the other zergs are just taking a beating.
that delicious 11-0 thrashing of Sea tho
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On July 01 2016 11:15 Probemicro wrote: Last plays PvZ now? :-)
and this is why Jaedong needs to return, all the other zergs are just taking a beating. oops
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Now he doesn't play TvZ :p
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Zergs seem to stand no chance now days. And you cant say its quality, Effort was a higher level then Jaedong just before SC2 got there.
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On July 01 2016 11:37 CrayonPopChoa wrote: Zergs seem to stand no chance now days. And you cant say its quality, Effort was a higher level then Jaedong just before SC2 got there.
theres more of JD slumping than EffOrt actually being better. Other than that win over Flash in the OSL finals nowhere in Effort's career has he reached the sheer prowess of 2009-10 JD (which was just a little overshadowed by Flash's own peak) Also JD' ZvZ has always been second to none while Effort's is just above average. heck even his protege Killer (who is now in the army)'s ZvZ would put the current top 4 zerg to shame.
Not expecting JD to actually return to that level should he stream but he has the ability to do better than Effort with a period of practice.
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I knew Last was good, but not that good! The dude is amazing.
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the reason zerg has been doing bad is because of the imba fs imba map thats horrible for zerg. anyways it seems brood war is not balanced at all, looking at all the streams lately. zerg progamers are massively complaining about this new shift in late mech. zvp became harder on fs.. feel sad for those zergs
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fs is not imba and zerg players are just bad, end of story.
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its just zerg is a hard race but its very rewarding. You can totally crush players , if you're a godly zerg player.
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On July 01 2016 14:57 MarineCA1 wrote: its just zerg is a hard race but its very rewarding. You can totally crush players , if you're a godly zerg player.
if there are any godly zerg players, then these guys are it, and they're still getting crushed.
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Larva's ZvT this month against Flash and Last. 3:21(12.5%) Larva after losing to Flash "It feels like last ten years have been a waste"
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Problem with zergs on pro level is that there is a much lower macro cap than for P or T. What I am after is that it's relatively easy to get 95% of Zergs macro in place (as it's only managing hatcheries) while for T and P it's super hard due to constant probe/scv production and adding plenty of supply buildings and that leading to way higher mineral gathering rate at some point. What happens in practice is that zergs like Zero and Effort utilize 100% of zergs macro potential, but best Terrans and Protoss players only utilize 80% and still get better.
It there would ever be a super computer to play any of the races it would be best with terran, as there is just most to do, and you benefit most from having everything in place.
EDIT: Just to make it clear, it's not a problem with zergs, it's how zerg race is built.
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any source where you got these numbers from? i guess hero is best zerg?
.... zergs like Zero .... utilize 100% of zergs macro potential
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA....... *cough cough* .....ha....ha.... dude are we watching the same games? I see Zero having nearly 2k overmins on 4 base ZvT at the 15 minute mark. His ZvP games seems like he either isnt even trying to win or just likes to play without reacting to enemy at all... and often has 700 overmins before his 6th hatch.
Because of that i always tend to watch the other zergs, but i always see effort playing hunters or offracing and larva driving in his car, so i mostly watch hero.
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bisu only loses to flash, sounds about right. and..... movie? >_>
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2000 overmins is normal on 4base ZvT as it doesn't make sense to invest in mineral only units and you'll usually store a lot of mins to go for an ultralisk switch. It has nothing to do with capabilities of spending these money - adding a lot of hatcheries just to hath lings doesn't make sense because you'll need these minerals later on.
My argument of zergs simplified economy is based on myself playing on a competitive level with zerg for over 10 years and playing terran now for nearly 2 years. You can also see this gap widening when pros play micro and macro ums - zergs perform on a very similar level to just 1 player managing, but (especially) terrans crush completely as it's just impossible to have a clean macro with terran.
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I like this thread =)
but FlaSh is nr 1 ofcourse since he will beat the other two i a Bo5 most likely^^
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where are these numbers from? Tracking games on streams or is there like Fish ladder statistics?
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